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PS3 - USB HDD with NTFS ??
HeardY
Gaelic newb
Sydney, New South Wales
17268 posts

hihi

My little bro has a PS3 and I plugged in my USB hard drive and it failed to pick it up, so I googled and it tells me the PS3 doesn't support NTFS file system.

How does one get around this NTFS issue? Considering some .mkv files are greater then 4gb i.e. can't use FAT32?

He essentially wants to buy an external hard drive and plug it in to the PS3 to watch 'stuff' on an adhoc basis i.e. a dedicated media center isn't an option here. Just want a work around for a USB drive with NTFS formatting.

Thanks
01:57pm 04/02/10 Permalink
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Mantorok
Brisbane, Queensland
4387 posts
There is no work around. It's FAT32 or nothing.
02:00pm 04/02/10 Permalink
Jim
Brisbane, Queensland
11194 posts
wow that's pretty fail
02:02pm 04/02/10 Permalink
Mantorok
Brisbane, Queensland
4388 posts
Nah, fail is the 360 doesn't recognise NTFS or exFAT drives.
02:03pm 04/02/10 Permalink
hardware
Brisbane, Queensland
6612 posts
what mantorok said. fat32 (and remember you'll have to do some tricks to format a drive larger than 32gb to fat32 in windows because windows doesn't support writing larger fat32 partitions for no good reason) and split the files into no greater than 4gb parts.
02:03pm 04/02/10 Permalink
Sc00bs
Brisbane, Queensland
3925 posts
yep its awesome hey, just get a splitter for the .mkv file.
02:03pm 04/02/10 Permalink
Mantorok
Brisbane, Queensland
4389 posts
Nah, formatting large drives to FAT32 is easy:
http://www.ridgecrop.demon.co.uk/index.htm?guiformat.htm
02:04pm 04/02/10 Permalink
Jim
Brisbane, Queensland
11196 posts
that's what I meant mantarok
did you think I was saying it was fail that he said thanks in his post?
02:05pm 04/02/10 Permalink
Sc00bs
Brisbane, Queensland
3927 posts
fat32 can only be 30gb max tho i think
02:07pm 04/02/10 Permalink
Mantorok
Brisbane, Queensland
4390 posts
Jim - he's talking about PS3, and I can understand Sony not supporting a file system like NTFS (considering how long it took Linux and Mac OS to support NTFS). Microsoft not adding support for NTFS and exFAT to the 360 is just ridiculous though.

And FAT32 supports up to 2TB, it's just inefficient.

last edited by Mantorok at 14:12:33 04/Feb/10
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Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
4557 posts
Microsoft not adding support for NTFS and exFAT to the 360 is just ridiculous though.
02:11pm 04/02/10 Permalink
Jim
Brisbane, Queensland
11197 posts
I reckon it's fail that NTFS isn't supported by the PS3
it's the standard windows file system

also, it didn't take linux that long to get read support for ntfs - I was using it ~10 years ago
02:25pm 04/02/10 Permalink
Dan
Special Text
Brisbane, Queensland
9989 posts
You can get files larger than 4GB onto your PS3, but only over the network from a shared library on a connected PC.

What would be the point on putting MKV's on a usb hdd for the PS3 anyway? Regardless of the file-size limit, the PS3 can't natively play videos in an MKV container.

Without a connected PC, the only option is to first transcode them to a format compatible with the PS3 and split them into portions less than 4GB and put them on your FAT32 formatted usb drive.

With a network connected PC, ps3mediaserver takes away most of the pain. It also does everything on the fly and hardly uses any CPU. My s***** old P4 handles it just fine.
02:31pm 04/02/10 Permalink
tequila
Brisbane, Queensland
5728 posts
sifnt stream it over your lan anyway
02:31pm 04/02/10 Permalink
E.T.
Queensland
2425 posts
Heardy. Just use PS3 Media server to stream your .mkv files to your PS3 over your network. Then none of this matters.

Edit: Beaten by Dan :)

last edited by E.T. at 14:34:31 04/Feb/10
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Sc00bs
Brisbane, Queensland
3930 posts
4gb+ files dont stream seemlessly over the network i dont think.
02:34pm 04/02/10 Permalink
Alize`
Brisbane, Queensland
1320 posts
fat32 can only be 30gb max tho i think


If you use an application called swissknife you can create bigger fat32 partitions. I have 1TB external hdd with 500gb Fat32 and 500gb NTFS.
02:34pm 04/02/10 Permalink
Jim
Brisbane, Queensland
11199 posts
4gb+ files absolutely stream seamlessly over the network

02:40pm 04/02/10 Permalink
tequila
Brisbane, Queensland
5732 posts
unless you live in ghetto land with an 802.11b connect
03:18pm 04/02/10 Permalink
Midda
Brisbane, Queensland
4598 posts
4gb+ files dont stream seemlessly over the network i dont think.

I do this with everything I watch. It works fine. PS3 Media Server, do it now.
03:24pm 04/02/10 Permalink
HeardY
Gaelic newb
Sydney, New South Wales
17269 posts
hmmm OK good to know I guess.

Might just stick to avi files and FAT32 file system.


thanks fellas

p.s. the media server/streamer solution isn't going to work in this isntance
03:32pm 04/02/10 Permalink
hardware
Brisbane, Queensland
6617 posts
Might just stick to avi files and FAT32 file system
thats what i do. Least amount of pain for the most amount of gain.
03:42pm 04/02/10 Permalink
tequila
Brisbane, Queensland
5734 posts
heardy; bluray burner?
03:43pm 04/02/10 Permalink
Midda
Brisbane, Queensland
4599 posts
thats what i do. Least amount of pain for the most amount of gain.

I guess you've never bothered to use PS3 Media Server then.

F*** standard-def AVIs off. S***** disgusting things, they are.
03:56pm 04/02/10 Permalink
E.T.
Queensland
2427 posts
4gb+ files dont stream seemlessly over the network i dont think.


Have you ever tried it Scoobs? Guess not , cause they work just fine.
05:20pm 04/02/10 Permalink
supreme
Brisbane, Queensland
2547 posts
i found on wireless large files tend to lag(ps3 + media server both wireless), then i wired both and it works perfectly. i
06:13pm 04/02/10 Permalink
Midda
Brisbane, Queensland
4603 posts
Yeah, I used to stream over wireless. I'd say about 50% to 60% of all 1080p content lagged to s***. Wired it up and it's fine.
06:26pm 04/02/10 Permalink
Alize`
Brisbane, Queensland
1321 posts
I still have a few issues with 1080p. I think it's more an issue with the transcoding done by ps3 media server but some of my .mkvs play for a while and then the video goes into like 1.5x speed but the audio stays normal. It's weird. when streamed via my HTPC it works fine.

Also some 1080p movies actually lag at times even wired. That might be due to high traffic on the network though.
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ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
9285 posts
if you cant use media server then do what i do. use mkv2vob on the files (takes about 5-10 secs for a 1gb file), copy them to a USB stick/drive then plug it into the ps3 and presto they play.
08:03pm 04/02/10 Permalink
E.T.
Queensland
2428 posts
Also some 1080p movies actually lag at times even wired. That might be due to high traffic on the network though.


Then your doing it wrong.
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dynamite
Brisbane, Queensland
1435 posts
This.

Regardless of the file-size limit, the PS3 can't natively play videos in an MKV container.
10:38pm 04/02/10 Permalink
koopz
New Zealand
8533 posts
I'm playing around more with the advanced features of FreeNAS atm...


it has a built in transcoder for Sony/XBox/other consoles.


whack the drive in, jump on the https for the box and set the mount point...
09:17pm 07/02/10 Permalink
Cheez
Brisbane, Queensland
6 posts
I got a 1TB external hdd on my original ps3 had to use a 3rd party program to format in fat32 and can only watch .avi files thru ps3 does not suppot .mkv
10:13pm 07/02/10 Permalink
whoop
Brisbane, Queensland
15455 posts
can the ps3 read ext2 file systems?
10:26pm 07/02/10 Permalink
Midda
Brisbane, Queensland
4616 posts
Nope, it only reads FAT32. The internal drive is formatted with some file system that can read files bigger than 4GB, but it's some proprietary format.
10:52pm 07/02/10 Permalink
whoop
Brisbane, Queensland
15457 posts
wow that's gay, I thought ps3's were pretty much just linux boxes kind of like macos and closed source? I was going to suggest using ext2 and install the ext2 driver for windows to read the drive but I guess that's out.
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Blade Hunter
Sydney, New South Wales
4372 posts
Why not set a script up in Mencoder to do your conversions for you? Easy enough to set an auto polling script, drop a file in the dir and it gets picked up for encoding.

I think YDL has the NTFS drivers, if you install that on your PS3 you can probably just use MPlayer or something similar for Linux to watch your vids. I installed it on mine but never got round to going any further.
12:13pm 23/02/10 Permalink
$ack
Brisbane, Queensland
1091 posts
4gb+ files dont stream seemlessly over the network i dont think.
I do this with everything I watch. It works fine. PS3 Media Server, do it now.


+1 PS3 Media Server (runs on linux too)
02:14pm 23/02/10 Permalink
BladeHunter
Sydney, New South Wales
4373 posts
I have never streamed to the PS3 as I have the HDD plugged in to it but I stream from it.

PSP is synched for remote play, brilliant way to watch movies without reencoding :).
04:14pm 23/02/10 Permalink
Midda
Brisbane, Queensland
4703 posts
I bet you don't play MKVs though.
05:37pm 23/02/10 Permalink
BladeHunter
Sydney, New South Wales
4374 posts
For hi def TV shows like BBC earth, I have a script set up with Mencoder to transcode them to and MP4 container with X264 video and 256 MP3 audio. 5.4MBit comes out to the same size, looks the same and can play on a PS3.

For HiDef movies I drop the bitrate to get the final file size below 4.3GB (Or whatever the actual size is) so it goes on the FAT32 drive. Slight compromise in quality but not that much.

And if you don't like scripts simply use XVid4PSP from www.winnydows.com it's free and converts to just about any format for you. You can set up profiles for anything that is not already in the list.
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$ack
Brisbane, Queensland
1106 posts
For hi def TV shows like BBC earth


Sorry to drop off topic for a sec, but is that show any good or just another boring documentary?
09:24am 24/02/10 Permalink
Midda
Brisbane, Queensland
4710 posts
BladeHunter, that sounds like a really complex solution for a simple problem. Why not just install PS3 Media Server and not f*** around with any settings? And not have to copy files to another HDD. Seems like excessive effort for a poorer end result.
09:54am 24/02/10 Permalink
bulldog
Sydney, New South Wales
28 posts
I'm playing around more with the advanced features of FreeNAS atm...


it has a built in transcoder for Sony/XBox/other consoles.


whack the drive in, jump on the https for the box and set the mount point...



Whoa, might have to update the old freenas install over the weekend
10:15am 24/02/10 Permalink
BladeHunter
Sydney, New South Wales
4375 posts
BladeHunter, that sounds like a really complex solution for a simple problem. Why not just install PS3 Media Server and not f*** around with any settings? And not have to copy files to another HDD. Seems like excessive effort for a poorer end result.


Because I have never gotten off my ass to get a wireless nic in my PC, I use the laptop for my downloading and my PC for everything else.

Bob (My wireless router) is downstairs in the kitchen and the PC is upstairs in the study so it is not on the network.

If I had wireless capabilities in my PC I would definately use the media server solution.

One other benefit of doing it my way is I bought my folks a USB Media centre and gave them a HDD, Being that it is not a WDTV it doesn't support MKV so anything I convert they can copy also.

BBC Earth is another Doco, if you like Doco's you will like it, if you find them boring you will not like it. I am a big doco fan so that and Life After People are quite high on my list of good viewing material :).
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