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Post by Eorl @ 10:45am 28/06/14 | 36 Comments
Polygon is reporting that the Western Australian Joint Standing Committee on the Commissioner for Children and Young People has recommended in its latest report on the Sexulisation of Children that the Australian Classification Board should "prohibit the sale, supply, demonstration, possession or advertisement" of R18+ video games in the state of WA.

Currently the highest rating available to the Australian Classification Board is the R18+ rating, which was introduced into most Australian states and territories on January 1st, 2013 after a rather long-winded battle. Previously, the highest rating was the MA15+, which considering the nature of games these days was rather shallow of a rating, causing a number of adult-orientated games to be banned completely from sale due to the restrictive rating nature.

The Sexulisation of Children report, presented to the Legislative Assembly and the Legislative Council on June 26th, suggests that an entire range of commercially available R18+ rated content be completely banned from the state, including video games, movies, music videos and advertisement. The committee also suggests that provocative advertising should be made an offence when using minors, and that regulating beauty pageants and inquiries into "sexting" be conducted by the state.

"While the impact of sexualisation on children is difficult to quantitatively measure, and to distinguish from other influences in their lives, this does not mean that the issue should not be addressed," the committee said. "The Committee is equally aware that what is seen as a priority issue that needs substantive action by some members of society may be seen by others as normal experimentation or fun.

"While it may be the case that there is uncertainty and confusion about whether particular items or images constitute sexualisation of children, it is clear there is considerable anxiety amongst parents and society more broadly."

The full report can be read over here, with WA Attorney General Michael Mischin having been tasked with examining the report.



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Some Fat Bastard
Posted 10:49am 28/6/14
Backward wankers.
Andrewus
Posted 11:07am 28/6/14
Because adults shouldn't be able to make decisions for themselves
Cheez
Posted 11:16am 28/6/14
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ravn0s
Posted 11:17am 28/6/14
ridiculous
Newgo
Posted 11:23am 28/6/14
Wont somebody please think of the children?!.......

here's something we can try, how about the parents of Australia (now keep with me here) try being parents. hmmmm r18+ rating on this game. may not be suitable for my 11 year old son.....
rather than this easy way out bulls*** "ahh f*** it, we don't want %15 of aus population to have access to this game, so lets ban it and completely butt f*** the other %85 of the population....

that classification was something like 10 yrs + in the making, you all voted yes on it, so lets leave it at that! take your religious bantering and fear mongering and go ram it up someone else's ass! We're not interested!!

on a side note, i'm from Brisbane so couldn't care less what happens in WA. But if they need a petition signed to help them out, ill supply my own pen! Good Luck!!
IVY_MiKe
Posted 11:36am 28/6/14
... i'm from Brisbane so couldn't care less what happens in WA.


Keep saying that; just wait til Brisbane starts referencing 'what happened in WA' when they're pushin their own legislation.
(I think s*** like this should probably be run Federally rather than by each state...)
ph33x
Posted 11:47am 28/6/14
W.A.
Cheez
Posted 11:42am 28/6/14
Wont somebody please think of the children?!.......
hmmmm r18+ rating on this game. may not be suitable for my 11 year old son.....


Hmmm my 11yr old nephew went into EB Games and bought GTA V by himself no adults with him, with his own money he had and his mother never knew. Not like the store clerk really cares who plays the game, he probably sympathized with my nephew (damn kids cant play cool games).
No they shouldn't put a blanket ban on it, they should regulate it better and have those games not on the shelf for easy access but more like smokes, put them behind a counter and need to request it and show ID so the kiddies are safe, with fines for breaking it. That will be easier to implement than a total ban on everything they have listed. (Which is what they propose be implemented in the report.)
groganus
Posted 12:22pm 28/6/14
I thought that when they introduced R18+ games they requirement was that they were not advertised, I'm not sure if this was something that ended up being ignored or if I completely misread something somewhere as I see R18+ games advertised in every store that sells games.

Either way, Parents should act like Parents, stores should be handed fines. If I store sold my son GTA V i'd completely lose my s***. F*** if they sold him anything over a G rating I'd loose my s***.
joerocket10r
Posted 12:57pm 28/6/14
what a bunch of f***tards. when will they realize that the parents are responsible for their own children and stop trying to punish adults freedom of choice. I know at my local shops they wont sell restricted games to teenagers unless they can show id, maybe they need to enforce this better.
Lets be honest about this though, kids will get hold of these games one way or another, hell i was playing carmageddon when i was 14 i think; sure my parents didnt like the game but they and i understood its just a game, if someone doesn't it comes down to bad parenting imo
qmass
Posted 01:11pm 28/6/14
This pretty much all stems from the generalization that games are for kids thus no R18 rating because you dont need it when only under 18 year olds buy games right?

It feels like most arguments on QGL, everyone is arguing but one side is basing their whole argument on indirectly related evidence. There is a name for that right?
Roonee
Posted 02:28pm 28/6/14
Don't panic just yet.

It is possible to amend the Classification (Publications, Films and Computer Games) Enforcement Act 1996 (WA) and either ban outright the possession, distribution, sale or supply of R18+ computer games in Western Australia. Alternatively, the Act could be amended to make it an offence to sell or suppl y a R18+ computer game to a minor even if the person selling or supplying the computer game is a parent or guardian of the minor.


What they really recommend is to make it illegal for parents/guardians to give their kids adult rated games (in the same way that giving RC stuff to your kids is illegal - so games will be distinguished from films in this way), but it'll probably be more expensive because it comes with a recommendation of some sort of education so they throw in a bit of gamer outrage to seal the deal...
Khel
Posted 04:47pm 28/6/14
Hmmm my 11yr old nephew went into EB Games and bought GTA V by himself no adults with him, with his own money he had and his mother never knew.


Wait, since when do 11 year olds have $100 of their own money? And why was an 11 year old just wandering around shopping by himself anyway? Still sounds to me like its a parents thing, they could have gone with him, or they could have checked what he bought when he came back. Or be more attentive to what the kids are playing when they're actually playing the games, if he manages to totally sneak it in. Yeah the store clerk shouldn't have sold it in the first place, but theres still plenty that parents can do, added regulation just isn't necessary.

Also, pretty sure any console for the past 10 years has had parental lockout controls, where you can just set it up to not let your kids play R rated games in the first place, so theres that too.
Nukleuz
Posted 05:12pm 28/6/14
This committee is farcical at best. The average age of its members is 55 with the youngest member being 48 and there is no male representation. It does not present a balanced view and it should be rejected by the AG on that basis alone.

That said, it's just another example of WA trying to play catch up on what is another piece of extremely outdated legislation (the OSH act is laughable and amendments to bring it into the 21st century have left it in a polarised state for more than two years now.) If that's anything to go by, it's highly unlikely that this report will see any amendments made to the Classification Enforcement Act in the next 5 years.
BladeRunner
Posted 05:57pm 28/6/14
impact of sexualisation on children


Hope they don't turn on the TV, they will be shocked. There is far more material of that nature on during prime time TV........
Womp
Posted 06:48pm 28/6/14
By definition the R18+ Classification CAN NOT depict sexual acts, sexual acts can only be depicted in the X Classification. Simply knowing the classification system is enough to prove this proposed censorship has NOTHING to do with the sexualisation of children.
Roonee
Posted 12:42pm 29/6/14
By definition the R18+ Classification CAN NOT depict sexual acts, sexual acts can only be depicted in the X Classification. Simply knowing the classification system is enough to prove this proposed censorship has NOTHING to do with the sexualisation of children.


You're thinking of sexualised violence. Nudity and depictions of simulated sexual activity are allowable under the R18+ classification.

Maybe I was the only one silly enough to take a very quick look at the actual report (which seems to include sensationalist gaming website reporters and their regurgitators), but the gist of it seems to be that both the legislation and public attitudes and understandings of all the relatively new forms of media and how youngsters are using them (eg sexting) and being targeted by them (ads) are all stuck several decades in the past.
Hogfather
Posted 01:44pm 29/6/14
here's something we can try, how about the parents of Australia (now keep with me here) try being parents. hmmmm r18+ rating on this game. may not be suitable for my 11 year old son.....
rather than this easy way out bulls*** "ahh f*** it, we don't want %15 of aus population to have access to this game, so lets ban it and completely butt f*** the other %85 of the population....

Here's a random thought, maybe the parents of Australia are already f*****g doing this thank you, and are being used (under the catch-all 'family values') without consent by fundamentalist moral groups as a scapegoat for their agenda?

Stop with the bulls*** Blame Parents s*** and point the finger at the religious lobbyists thank you.
ph33x
Posted 01:58pm 29/6/14
I blame this on consoles. If only PC existed, Steam/online would have killed these game stores long ago - it wouldn't be a public issue, therefore this would be moot.

Yep.

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Second to that - I think the problem lies in all parents following though. You got Bobby, Barry and Joe playing GTA V (or whatever the f*** is cool on consoles atm) while little Timmy's parents only let him play Pitfall on the 2600. At school this s*** is like class warfare.

F*****g Pitfall. ET was better.
Hogfather
Posted 02:00pm 29/6/14
The notion that you can have an 'all parents' scenario when some parents are bad humans in general is silly.
ph33x
Posted 03:04pm 29/6/14
Yep, but it's where the problem lies though. Word of mouth is powerful, especially with students.

Because if you're the parent of a kid who comes home with an 18+ game I think your gripe would be with the people who illegally sold the game. I feel this pressure is from parents who are copping it from their kids that want to have what "all their friends have".
Khel
Posted 03:30pm 29/6/14
Bleh, posted in the wrong thread, ignore me.

What ever happend to the delete button anyway?
Wrecktim
Posted 03:35pm 29/6/14
maybe they should just attach the R18+ copies to the drum lines
Womp
Posted 10:03pm 29/6/14
@Roonee, unfortunately your powers of telepathy seem to have failed you on this occasion. I wrote "Sexual Acts" because I meant "Sexual Acts". As to your "Sexualised Violence" claims, that is explicitly banned from ALL Classifications. If mere nudity and simulated sex scenes were sufficient for this Committee to recommend Censorship then the M & MA15 Classifications should by that standard also be banned as their definitions both allow for nudity and MA15 allows for sex scenes. Please, refrain in future from telling me what I am thinking.
HERMITech
Posted 11:40pm 29/6/14
Treat the sale of R18+ games to minors the same as selling alcohol to minors and watch it stop damned quick.
Hogfather
Posted 09:09am 30/6/14
Yep, but it's where the problem lies though. Word of mouth is powerful, especially with students.

Because if you're the parent of a kid who comes home with an 18+ game I think your gripe would be with the people who illegally sold the game. I feel this pressure is from parents who are copping it from their kids that want to have what "all their friends have".

Don't think this is true at all. Are you a parent with this problem? I find "no, you can't have that, I don't care what Little Johnny does" works if it ever comes up. They don't like it but they don't like lots of things, and i don't need the Government to ban adult access to games for me to manage that.

The issue is that for some reason media controls need to be perfect, apparently. Meanwhile we have an underage drinking and smoking problem and kids are looking at porn - despite the strong controls for these proscribed materials, but nobody is seriously calling for all alcohol and tobacco sales to be banned, or pornography to be outlawed. Indeed, the only logical step up from the R18+ code in terms of access controls is a blanket ban. This seems odd, and its because of the true agenda to ban the material, not just restrict children's access.

By accepting that All Parents Must Enforce (or No Child Must See This Ever) then we provide strength to the argument for no 18+ sales to adults because its is 100% doomed as a goal. Its an unrealistic endgame.

I am in charge of my kid's screen time and its content, its my personal responsibility as the parent. It s**** me to tears when religious groups use bad parents as an excuse to agitate for adults to lose their rights to view suitable material.
Treat the sale of R18+ games to minors the same as selling alcohol to minors and watch it stop damned quick.

Umm underage drinking is a pretty big problem. Its not the sale of the material that's the issue, its post-sale access.
Akuma07
Posted 11:29am 02/7/14
What the hell is this s**t? What is wrong with the Australian Government. State, Federal, who cares they are both as messed up as each other.

Banning ALL R18+ media in the state? What a joke, what an absolute joke.

Inquiries into sexting? Honestly, if kids want to send pictures of themselves butt naked to their friends/partners, good luck to them, they will learn prettttyyyy quickly why this is a stupid thing for them to do.

This will set a bad example for the rest of the states. If this happens, we riot.
Roonee
Posted 02:08pm 02/7/14
@Roonee, unfortunately your powers of telepathy seem to have failed you on this occasion. I wrote "Sexual Acts" because I meant "Sexual Acts". As to your "Sexualised Violence" claims, that is explicitly banned from ALL Classifications. If mere nudity and simulated sex scenes were sufficient for this Committee to recommend Censorship then the M & MA15 Classifications should by that standard also be banned as their definitions both allow for nudity and MA15 allows for sex scenes. Please, refrain in future from telling me what I am thinking.


you're wrong. Take it like a man.

f*****g noob.
Roonee
Posted 03:18pm 02/7/14
I find things like Bratz dolls and the sexy clothes for very young girls and whore-fest music videos at 9am (pop asia on sbs is pretty awesome) to be way too much. Hell even the 20 foot high pics of 16 year olds in lingerie posted up in every decent shopping centre seem pretty odd toi be acceptable (imaging a guy in undies at that size - that'd draw outrage).

Throw in the facts about increasing sexual activity at younger and younger ages and it's all pretty worrying. I don't want my daughter shouldering that sort of pressure - to be attractive and sexual as soon as possible and that it's the most important thing (it's required for social acceptance.

It's an enquiry well past its due date.

It's illegal to give RC material to a kid even if you're their parent. They want to make it the same for R rated games. I swear they threw in the sentence about banning R18+, grammatical fail and all, just to add a bit of media attention, there's certainly no specific reasoning given for it.
paveway
Posted 11:07am 04/7/14
so whats with backward WA?

first this insane shark cull and now this?
eski
Posted 12:08pm 04/7/14
Hasn't queensland been culling sharks since the 60's?

But yeah, we're pretty insane and conservative over here. I'd say everyone's just bitter because the mining boom is over and the economy is tanking, mostly because of out of control gamers. And sharks.
Tollaz0r!
Posted 12:22pm 04/7/14
Free-to-air and presumably Foxtel TV ads and advertising in general are amongst the worst offenders when it comes to unfiltered cultural and personality influences on my children.

Free-to-air TV ads are easily avoided, we don't watch free-to-air. Everything else is much much harder. I hate that my daughters are bombarded by advertisements subtly influencing them as the grow up, and it will only get more invasive as they grow up. It is a battle that I have to face.

R18+ Games? Get real, sexualised advertisements that are pervasive through media and society as a whole is far, far, far more damaging.
Tele
Posted 03:44pm 04/7/14
TBH it all comes down to bad parenting.
paveway
Posted 03:51pm 04/7/14
TBH it all comes down to bad parenting.


if all the parents in australia actually got off their ass and watched what their kids were doing / buying we wouldn't need such stupid rules
Hogfather
Posted 04:03pm 04/7/14
If all the people in Australia stopped drink driving or murder or stealing or whatever we wouldn't need laws at all!

The notion that ALL people will ever be convinced to do the right thing on any issue is pants on head stupid. The next gronk to declare 'bad parenting' is the problem instead of religious fundamentalists pushing moral agendas gets a defcon 1 uppercut I swear to f*****g god.

If they were serious about protecting children the push would be for a 10k fine on the adults who allow children to watch classified material rather than a blanket ban that affects adults, responsible or not.
paveway
Posted 06:21pm 04/7/14
ps. i was trolling you hogbrother
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