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Post by Eorl @ 04:16pm 16/04/14 | 48 Comments
Dr Penelope Lind, a researcher from the Quantitative Genetics group at the QIMR Berghofer Medical Research Institute in Brisbane is looking for any and all gamers above the age of 18 to fill out a short questionnaire on problematic internet and video game behaviours including addiction and cyberbullying.
For many people, internet use and gaming is an enjoyable pastime; however, for others it can be a compulsive and addictive behaviour that results in personal, family, academic, financial, and occupational problems. Although there is a lot of media attention on the topic, currently not much is known about the development of internet and video game addiction. The QIMR Berghofer Medical Research Institute is currently conducting a study to collect information about the internet use and video gaming in Australia to improve our understanding of the development of technological addictions. We are interested in recruiting both male and female gamers to our study. Participating in the study involves completing an online questionnaire which includes sections on your general health and your experiences and motives when using the internet and video gaming (we are interested in all gaming platforms and genres).
If you are 18 or over, have used the internet or played video games in the last 12 months and would like to find out more about participating in this study just check out the official website.












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Mosfx
Posted 05:23pm 16/4/14
Bloody marathon survey, doing it at the moment taking along time they weren't wrong about the 45min completion time.
Denominator
Posted 05:59pm 16/4/14
its a very testing servey I got bored and when back to playing games :)
RuleofBooKz
Posted 03:06am 24/4/14
Hmmm how did this end up here?

im not a fan of this kind of research - ive never seen it done well. Always seems to be done by non-gamers with the outsider perspective (or cringe worthy attempts to portray themselves as gamers as one professor did) but because they are so called "studied" individuals they tend to think they somehow have a grasp on the complexities.

The surveys are never well structured (ie. ask the right questions, have the right insight etc) and so im doubtful of their actual use to assist in understanding "gaming" culture. If anything they are just obscuring the culture wit heven more misconceptions apparently backed up by "science".

Also anything at all can contain negative s***. Anything. So it depends what they are looking for. I might wander over and take a little look closer at just what they are looking for but i do not have high hopes.
Tollaz0r!
Posted 07:41am 24/4/14

but because they are so called "studied" individuals they tend to think they somehow have a grasp on the complexities.


That's not what they think at all, have you talked much to academics out-side of a student university setting?
trog
Posted 11:20am 24/4/14
Hmmm how did this end up here?

im not a fan of this kind of research - ive never seen it done well. Always seems to be done by non-gamers with the outsider perspective (or cringe worthy attempts to portray themselves as gamers as one professor did) but because they are so called "studied" individuals they tend to think they somehow have a grasp on the complexities.

The surveys are never well structured (ie. ask the right questions, have the right insight etc) and so im doubtful of their actual use to assist in understanding "gaming" culture. If anything they are just obscuring the culture wit heven more misconceptions apparently backed up by "science".

Also anything at all can contain negative s***. Anything. So it depends what they are looking for. I might wander over and take a little look closer at just what they are looking for but i do not have high hopes.
quick someone tell science they're doing it wrong
RuleofBooKz
Posted 02:44pm 24/4/14
wow two flying karate kicks right out of the hat. Im going to field this as a bit of a 50/50 tongue in cheek and a bit cheeky cheek if you dont mind.

That is what they think toll. I can tell what people are thinking. Its a gift i possess literally. Thats also the point of being a scientist. Mind powers. Ive acquired this super genius understanding of this situation because when ever we get a thread like this i ask questions - get a discussion started. Engage the science type folks. Also dinner parties and chin wags out and about - usually while listening to super high quality hifi. For hours. But yeah forums - You know that thing you do at a dinner party? Or in a forum and the reason we have forums? Chun wag bro - like they say in NZ. Two words one answer. All the problems.

Yes i "know" science types outside of a student university setting. I watch TV all the time and once dated Albert Einstein. Horrible dental hygiene but a real thinker. But you are right no one can be good at anything or know anything in any way better than what AG has known at its in 2006 (or whenever) peak AG contribution to society. Its like the ability to acquire knowledge was just stopped after that date and now here we are in the wasteland of tomorrow knowing nothing. Just an entire internet filled with d**** on the net just talking out arse. Like me ;)

You should continue to hold that view no matter what. IT will be the most constructive in the short medium and long term.

But this thread hasnt got a science type OP hence me asking where this came from for eorl to post it -im assuming erol isnt the one running the experiments/ surveys/ whatever.

And im trying trog. im trying ;)

it can be an uphill battle some days because of all the science white knights lining up to joust whenever you mention "science" and "criticism". Tho usually you can tell the type because they use bad arguments like "you cant tell science its wrong its never wrong because science" or some silly such circle logic thing.

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paveway
Posted 02:48pm 24/4/14
the post almost on a koops level is bizarre
Ha
Posted 02:50pm 24/4/14
agent starling are you trying to dissect me with this blunt little tool? us gamers are far too complex to be unraveled by such meager minds as 'professors' and other people who have actually achieved a measure of success in their lives
RuleofBooKz
Posted 03:03pm 24/4/14
i should point out that this news is over on GA and the science type running this show is Dr Penelope Lind who believed that a gene is responsible as a link between alcoholism and depression and was trialing a computer-based model to deliver some psychological treatments for addiction research
http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2006/s1738473.htm

and more here http://www.zoominfo.com/p/Penelope-Lind/762993492

therefor addiction research (especially looking at genetic factors) is the focus. Do we really want more "studies" about how big bad internet and gaming is making addicts and making people s***? All pointing out some gene as the bad guy? Thousands of dollars in funding to tell us people act bad and also act bad online?

This smacks of of just more fuel for more media attention on "gaming is turning your kids evil / killing your kids"
Ha
Posted 03:24pm 24/4/14
stupid internet a****** doesn't want to hear that his hobby may have negative aspects to it and suggests that willful ignorance might indeed be the way to go
Tollaz0r!
Posted 03:30pm 24/4/14
The best part was how I didn't read any of the replies.
fpot
Posted 03:45pm 24/4/14
I'm with bookz on this one. In a bizarre coincidence I also find that my hobbies (gaming, high-end audio, wearing ridiculous clothes) are far too complex and esoteric to ever be analysed by "science". These "science" type people with their "education" are simply unable to reach the higher sphere of consciousness and understanding required to fully explore these multi-layered concepts to the highest echelon like I can.

Hmmm, I've been making some really good posts lately. I can tell because people are making fun of me - no doubt as some sort of a shield to hide their own lack of intelligence. It is I who is the amsrtest of them all. I think I'll add another feather to my s***** looking hat.
RuleofBooKz
Posted 03:52pm 24/4/14
The best part was that you did read but would rather portray yourself as a willfully ignorant douche bag that panders to HA - the known troll account - than actually use the forums to have a chat. Because your too cool and you already know it all. The Close Minded Circle Jerker AG club? You are a member.

the post almost on a koops level is bizarre


wow what is the mystery behind this "bizarre" response?!!? are you blind or just stupid? In the 1st line of my reply:

Im going to field this as a bit of a 50/50 tongue in cheek and a bit cheeky cheek if you dont mind.


fpot instead of a knee jerk hysterical response about saving science you might focus on the particulars of the thread? IVe no problem with science as a whole. The fact that you and the other Close Minded Circle Jerker AG club members are trying to portray my posts as such shows your just being d*******s. Please keep not actually addressing what im saying and just waving your arms around and frothing at the mouth.

Ive clearly pointed out my issue with these types of survey in addition to as its conducted by Dr Penelope Lind and my problem with their agenda. To assume just because its science there is no agenda is deeply naive. Yes i know you are computer nerd and science was your only friend at school but science is not some superman agent of good and progress that you are trying to make out it is.

Oh its science and its looking at gaming it must be good deeeeeerrrrp
fpot
Posted 04:02pm 24/4/14
You have no problem with science, except for when it goes against your childish world view and interferes with the nice fuzzy feeling your special snowflake syndrome gives you.

No one is frothing at the mouth buddy. Did you see other people using that expression and think it sounded good and desperately wanted to use it yourself? Sorry champ, but it only really works when you use it against people making 1000 word nonsensical rants about stupid s***.

Why don't you thrall us with your acumen and tell us all about how addiction doesn't exist again? That was good.
RuleofBooKz
Posted 04:10pm 24/4/14
do you know that in a recent "scientific study" on trolls one of the questions was to link "realistic blood spurts" in games to being a sadist and to being a sadist to being an internet troll?

If you did that survey and ticked a box saying you liked "realistic blood spurts" in games your a sadist and so u must be a troll. lolz science is great.

You like to go on about my job my clothes and my hobbies. Well we are all gamers here but what do we know about your clothes? Nothing. How about your job? Nothing. Its easy to say s*** when you are anonymous. Why don't you have some arsehat post up your images and we can comment on your clothing choices - i bet it would make for good commentary and how about your job? Nothing comment worthy there? Mmmmm?

Well done super sleuth by linking my fondness for addiction (which ive only ever been full disclosure about) and my posting in this thread. Well done Cpt obvious.
fpot
Posted 04:17pm 24/4/14
Uh oh, the special snowflake is getting very angry. We better take that 18th century walking stick off him before he starts flailing away wildly with it.

I'd really like to attempt some sort of witty response to what you just typed, but it literally makes no sense whatsoever. Do you mind having a crack at typing something that does make sense so the comedy can continue? There's a good lad.
Ha
Posted 04:29pm 24/4/14
only morons like you cannot tell the difference between science showing correlation and science showing causation. the fact that you seriously don't believe in addiction and seriously do believe in high end audio makes literally every single thing that comes out of your stupid f*****g keyboard so absurd that everyone can literally not read your posts, assume it's f*****g dumb and be absolutely right
RuleofBooKz
Posted 04:41pm 24/4/14

its hard to admit your not intelligent enough to continue a discussion fpot so i wont push you and we can leave it here. Might i suggest some reading might strengthen that brain of yours tho? Just some friendly advice.

So "science" and video games. From todays age: Online studies warn to beware of trolls - How is that for a catchy headline? And the bi-line? "Researchers have concluded dreaded internet trolls cause problems because they enjoy it". Wow i wonder how many thousands they got for that study? Here is the study you can read it:

http://www.smh.com.au/technology/untangling-the-web/online-studies-warn-to-beware-of-trolls-20140423-zqvc8.html

The premise:

Anyone whos ever encountered internet trolls - vile, racist, sexist and often profane people who gorge themselves on others misery might have concluded such individuals are psychologically disturbed.

That would be correct, new research suggests.


What follows is a lot of nonsense and horse s***. Extrapolation - like the "enjoy blood spurts" thing and just really tenuous linking of stuff like "Hurting people is exciting". But we have to remember we are talking "In video games".

The blood spurt thing got me thinking of the rome and samurai Total War game i play - and yes it has DLC "blood spurts". Am i a sadist because i like a game about samurai to have blood when the little onscreen samurai chops up the other little samurai from the enemy army? When i get a frag in tanks or in a FPS and i "enjoy" that i just got that frag am i a sadist?

That would be correct, new research suggests


The study also goes on from Sadism to:

Beyond sadism, the questionnaire also looked for signs and varying levels of what are known as the three other legs of the dark tetrad of personality. Those are narcissism (I have been compared to famous people); sub-clinical psychopathology (payback needs to be quick and nasty) and Machiavellianism (its not wise to tell your secrets).

Conclusion: Those who rated highest on the scales for narcissism, psychopathology, Machiavellianism and sadism highest of all for the trait of sadism were the same people who were trolls. Enjoyment of other online activities, such as chatting and debating, was unrelated to sadism, the researchers concluded.


So lets look:
- narcissism?? Hello social media and the culture of the 2 min update and selfie?
- sub-clinical psychopathology - in gaming you get fragged you get a revenge frag. Wow deep psychology 101.
- Machiavellianism. its not wise to tell your secrets? Like what your job is or your style choices? I wonder why? Well "hiding" personal info is just so wrong it must be only what trolls do! Oh whats this? Police: Thieves Robbed Homes Based On Facebook, Social Media Sites

Read more: http://www.wmur.com/Police-Thieves-Robbed-Homes-Based-On-Facebook-Social-Media-Sites/11861116#ixzz2zmamjLbu

hahaha. That whole Online studies warn to beware of trolls article is fantasic as just what is wrong with the science approach to explain gaming / internet behaviour really. And its being taken as fact because its science i can assure you. But Yes science is doing such a good job of explaining gaming culture/ trolling/ (please tell me again exactly what "trolling" is) and all things online.

Now thats not saying all science is bad or all studies into this stuff is bad but much of it is if you just bother to look a little deeper and not just derp off at the mention that "science" might not always be great
fpot
Posted 04:44pm 24/4/14
There's nothing quite like watching a scientifically illiterate person failing to understand the most basic tenants of science (I am talking high school level here) and in the same breath accusing people of not being intelligent enough to keep up with their dumb little rants. Like, you do realise you haven't actually linked to the study, you've actually linked to a newspaper article about the study? You do realise those are two separate things right?
Ha
Posted 05:01pm 24/4/14
if you just bother to look a little deeper and not just derp off at the mention that "science" might not always be great


this may be the stupidest f*****g thing i've read on the internet.
Tollaz0r!
Posted 05:05pm 24/4/14
Some of us are trained scientists, just saying. Still haven't read replies.
RuleofBooKz
Posted 05:10pm 24/4/14
you do realise that the article listed many studies and that the article links to the studies right? Let me tell you how the internet works and how you can go to a page that connects to another page and you can get where you need to go by following links.

Its pretty simple stuff but obviously your a bit challenged to get how the internet works and other complex stuff.

But in all seriousness im treating you like a hostile poster now. Ive said about 3 times now how you used to post some good things and id like to work with you but i havent seen you post anything, for a few months now, that isn't a whinge about me, what i wear or what i do for a career or what opinions i have. That is your not trying to have a chat you are just wanting to whinge and have an argument and / or to just be mean because you are cranky. So expect responses like fondu chocolate but with more cheese as you are silly.

Someone said it before: you are the poster AG deserves,,,


EDIT: Some of us are trained scientists? And? How about responding to what im saying - oh thats right you are still pretending to not be reading. Very convenient to hold a retarded view and not have to actually engage beyond that.

And HA? You are still easy to ignore - try harder
paveway
Posted 05:31pm 24/4/14
it took all of 3 posts for the troll call to come out

no one is trolling you

you seem to pull that out everytime someone calls you out
loutl
Posted 05:51pm 24/4/14
Almost every word out of bookz mouth is pure garbage, but I do agree the white knighting on science's behalf that goes on is excruciating.
RuleofBooKz
Posted 06:24pm 24/4/14
Paveway wading in with his impartial and non biased opinion on my affairs - as usual ;)

HA is a known troll. He is almost 100% troll. Almost all his posts are easy to ignore because they have no content and he is bad at trolling - ie. s***** hooks.

Fpot TBH isnt prob trying to troll. But by bringing up irrelevant topics like clothing style or high end audio he is on the verge but even then he does a better job than HA. id say its more of a hostile aggressive "im just wanting to have a go at you because i dont like you" thing tho.

A bit like yourself paveway. For illustrative purposes your comment. Not on the science or surveys or any of the substance ive posted to create conversation. No you post just call outs and provocation. No one is Trolling me? Darn straight. Attempted trolling tho? You are doing it atm.

and then:

Almost every word out of bookz mouth is pure garbage, but I do agree the white knighting on science's behalf that goes on is excruciating.


which is strange you would mention garbage (not that there is anything wrong with that) when the white knighting science thing is pretty much my whole point here?
Ha
Posted 06:36pm 24/4/14
Almost every word out of bookz mouth is pure garbage, but I do agree the white knighting on science's behalf that goes on is excruciating.


you post on a forum where feature columnists need satire explain to them, moderators will wade into the fray for your right to argue about which thousand dollar entertainment machine is best and half the population will post thousands of words about our stupid f*****g political parties and you find that people arguing for the objective truth is excruciating?

science is all we have to stop the entire world consisting of people's stupid f*****g opinions, and you disagree with people supporting it?

you can argue about all that stupid s*** in the first paragraph, it's subjectively dumb and i criticise those people because it makes me feel like a big man, but it is subjective.

bookz' s*** is objectively wrong, provable by actual science. the only thing that you could conceivably agree with him on is his fashion sense, as that's subjective. though i'm not entirely sure that it isn't mathematically provable that dressing like a brony means you've spent 200+ hours arguing FOR the legalisation of ephebophilia

in short, f*** you
deadlyf
Posted 07:02pm 24/4/14
wow two flying karate kicks right out of the hat.
learn to idiom. I can't even tell if you are going for "Right off the bat" or "Pulled out of a hat".

Also Eorl, define short? The first page alone makes Rule look brief. I got as far as finding out they want my email and residential address and I went all stranger danger and left.
RuleofBooKz
Posted 07:08pm 24/4/14
learn to idiom?

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wired magazine tells me hybrids are the new buzz thing these days ;(
paveway
Posted 07:34pm 24/4/14
the entire forum is trolling him
RuleofBooKz
Posted 07:44pm 24/4/14
it really is cute this thing paveway where i hold a disagreement / chat with one or 2 or at max a few guys and suddenly you are all "the whole forums" this and that. What was it last time? "Everyone" this and everyone that? You need some new material.

Does it make you feel the better man or important or something to know you are rolling with some supposed large group or are close part of the group mind or majority view? Im just asking for research purposes.

But you are right about trolling. you are being trolled paveway - but not by me.
Ha
Posted 07:48pm 24/4/14
everyone who doesn't post agrees with him. fact.
paveway
Posted 07:49pm 24/4/14
i love the fact it burns you every time i say whole forum
Tollaz0r!
Posted 08:27pm 24/4/14
Still haven't read whats going on, but I bet rulez has derailed the thread nicely. Probably going on about how much someone is bad at something whilst saying how its not his fault or something.
Twisted
Posted 10:48am 26/4/14
I'm getting the vibe that RuleofBookz might be Andrew Bolt. Also is there a prize for doing a 45 minute survey? I'll fill out anything for a voucher :p
RuleofBooKz
Posted 03:52pm 26/4/14
andrew bolt is an a*******. But let me give you the thread summary overview:

- Thread starts with a survey which is broadly aimed at understanding gamers "behavior".
- I reply i dont often like this kind of science and a question as to why its on the forum - was it requested to be here and by who.
- Cue hysterical posts in defense of "science" and lame trolling because "bookz"
- I clarify its not all science its this specific science about gamer behavior, and the kind of research used to generate the models/ theories, i find questionable. With me providing evidence and links.
- Cue hysterical posts in defense of "science" and lame trolling ignoring linked evidence
- I clarify further by citing for backup actual studies via articles written using those studies that appear in major Australian media publications
- Cue hysterical posts in defense of "science" and lame trolling ignoring linked evidence and a comparison to Andrew Bolt.

and now here we are ;)
fpot
Posted 04:16pm 26/4/14
I am reading that thread summary overview and I am simply baffled how someone could be so disconnected with reality that they'd actually bother to type it up and post it. I'm thinking to myself that it simply can't be possible for someone to be that way and feel as though I need some sort of physical evidence to prove that someone could be so far gone. Then I remember that picture ph33x posted of you and it all makes sense.

Spoiler:
The reason your clothes are significant is not because of how f*****g stupid and comical you look on a superficial level, but the mindset that makes you wear those clothes. The special snowflake syndrome that I've mentioned. I'd pity you for it, but it also makes you act like a petulant little c***, so you're just made fun of instead
RuleofBooKz
Posted 04:46pm 26/4/14
what im getting at is that some of these "Scientific" studies into gaming and gamers remind me of the whole "rock and roll music is the devils music" crusade of previous decades.

That is segments of society saw modern music as some kind of terrible thing and tried to gather evidence as to why they should be listened to and rock and roll music not listened to. Sounds familiar? Such things as the 1960s shakin' hips sex crazed music and black peoples "voodoo music" and even the Marilyn Manson's links with teenage suicide and playing music backwards for "satanic verse".

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Of course go back 100 years (or longer) to some classical music of the day and you will see the same moral outrage and people fainting and shouting in performances. The cycle never changes.

But it seems we as a modern society have somewhat exhausted (for now) music as a form of culture to be morally outraged against or to find corrupting "good people" or sowing society chaos and evil and so its not a great grant funding field to study. I wonder what is? Oh gaming and gamers!

i will just put this here



Im sure we could find plenty of folks here to play Reverend Shaw Moore role. and fpot

Spoiler:
As for judgments made on physical appearance maybe you should grow up. As for a photo of me dressed up? If you have never gotten dressed up in a crazy costume or gone to wild parties or out on the town roving with mischief on your mind all i can say is it must suck to be you. But i bet if i could go thru your photo albums id find something to post that would be equal to what you find so offensive (?) about me. So you are either a boring f*** or a Hypocrite so i dont need to feel concerned about your views on style now do i?
fpot
Posted 04:55pm 26/4/14
Ahhh yes, people who don't wear ridiculous clothes to the shops must be boring as f***. Not a unique special snowflake like you. The unfortunate truth is that you're as dull as dishwater and try to make up for it with incredibly obnoxious and antisocial traits. Maybe try attending therapy sessions or something instead.
Twisted
Posted 05:05pm 26/4/14
As for a photo of me dressed up? If you have never gotten dressed up in a crazy costume
I'm OK with people dressing up for mardi gras.
RuleofBooKz
Posted 05:21pm 26/4/14
Me too twisted. Or for whatever so Yes fpot i hang with "arty" types who like to "dress up". Yes we dont "look" normal - all the time. Ive never said im a "special" (in the sense that you are using) - its been a criticism leveled by you but never proven or even evidenced except perhaps because I dont look "normal" in a photo.

Tho of course we are all beautiful special snowflakes ;) But fpot i dont think you are really being serious here right? I mean you are more like a parody of the matrix boss here:



oh yes boss! yess boss sure boss im not special boss no one is special we all be at our desk boss. Hahahah. Its laughable. Please.

What is "normal"? Why does it matter? Im sure you agree, is a nice chat for children to have but boring for mature adults. You should already have that all sorted. So lets move on?

So maybe we should be looking at the topic of the thread? Because "opps" seems like when folks have no reply or argument to make suddenly its about s*** that doesnt matter like my outfit of choice? But we should keep it on track - Of science and studies and gaming and gaming? OR if thats not fun we could look at what kind of distributive justice would respect the freedom and equality of every member of a community with special mention to how power shapes everything from prisons to sexual identity, and how one could hope to counter it.

But yeah prob should stick to the "Science of gaming".
fpot
Posted 06:25pm 26/4/14
You're right again bookz. Unfortunately there is only a limited amount of science to go around, and we'd be foolish to waste it on something as trivial as gaming.

The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias which can manifest in one of two ways:

Unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly rating their ability much higher than is accurate. This bias is attributed to a metacognitive inability of the unskilled to recognize their ineptitude.

...

Dunning and Kruger proposed that, for a given skill, incompetent people will:

tend to overestimate their own level of skill;
fail to recognize genuine skill in others;
fail to recognize the extremity of their inadequacy;


That's all you bro. You're so dull that your entire personality is able to be summarised by a few lines of a wiki page. That's why you try to compensate in other areas. There's also this from the same wiki page.

(they will) recognize and acknowledge their own previous lack of skill, if they are exposed to training for that skill.
Now while you haven't really been exposed to any training per se, one of the common themes from you is that you steadfastly refuse to acknowledge other people's points of view, or any pieces of real evidence that contradict your narrow world view. This is the part which makes you a colossal f***wit. Although to be fair maybe you are simply too dim to know what real evidence is - you've claimed to have posted some in this thread but so far you haven't posted anything that backs up what you say. All you've done is post a few unrelated studies to the OP and then waffled on about them a bit. The cute bit is when you get all indignant about people not responding to your waffle in a way that satisfies you. The impotent rage pleases the whole forum, and the whole forum thinks you're a worthless d***.
Tollaz0r!
Posted 06:29pm 26/4/14
Hay a thing from the Matrix.

How much does Agent Smith sound like Carl Sagan fpot?
RuleofBooKz
Posted 07:32pm 26/4/14

Any time you want to get over the lame trolling we can just talk you know?

Unfortunately there is only a limited amount of science to go around, and we'd be foolish to waste it on something as trivial as gaming.

The ol strawman of the "limited science to go around" argument hey? Nice. Hey let me take time to point out why that is a retarded thing for you to say. Oh wait your trolling. Moving on.

You want to talk the Dunning–Kruger effect? Remember the "you dont know anything about audo" thing? That was fun hey?

tend to overestimate their own level of skill;
fail to recognize genuine skill in others;
fail to recognize the extremity of their inadequacy;

tell me more about this?

Or when i brought up that thing about violence to minors by employed security or the whole GA boat people thing or the live exports thing. In fact there hasn't been that many things where its been proven ive been speaking bulls*** or have gotten it completely wrong. No more than is reasonable for an average person.

You seem to be reflecting pretty hard. Maybe the the Dunning–Kruger effect refers to you? Lets see:
- you steadfastly refuse to acknowledge other people's points of view (obvious one really for you)
- or any pieces of real evidence that contradict your narrow world view (lol you wear funny clothes!!! i think that alone exemplifies a narrow world view)

and lets not get started on this effect and Tollaz0r! He doesnt even read posts byt think he is an authority to comment on matters. Wonder how that would relate to Dunning–Kruger? and this is interesting isnt it? "Those persons to whom a skill or set of skills come easily may find themselves with weak self-confidence, as they may falsely assume that others have an equivalent understanding". Errors about self and errors about others. Mhmm but you havent shown exactly how im over rating myself or failed somehow here as yo uactually havent engaged on topic just on attacks on myself / reasoning in general. Or maybe you should just read

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-world_phenomenon

So

you've claimed to have posted some in this thread but so far you haven't posted anything that backs up what you say.

Saying i haven't isn't the same as i haven't. Nice try tho. Why dont you try this one?

The Overweight Brain

Knowledge may well have been freedom in the 19th and 20th centuries as Frederick Douglass famously said. But there’s little evidence for that equation today. To rephrase psychologist James Hillman who wrote a book entitled, We’ve Had 100 Years of Psychotherapy and the World’s Getting Worse, I say, “We’ve had The Information Age, The Digital Revolution and The Knowledge Explosion and the world’s getting worse.

For all the knowledge-gathering, evidence-based practices, diagnoses, assessments, evaluations, predictions and pontifications, are we any closer to peace in the Middle East or elsewhere, to bridging what educators call the achievement gap between white middle class children and minority and poor children, to eliminating poverty, to ending violence, to stopping the destruction of the planet?

Some might say yes, that science and diplomacy especially are bringing us closer to solving these intractable problems. Others might argue that these are issues of politics, beliefs and culture and have nothing to do with knowing. I’ll respond to both sides—and show how sticking to a knowing model of problem solving is retarding progress of science and diplomacy, and how knowing as a way of engaging the world underlies and overdetermines politics, beliefs and culture. It accounts, in very large part, for the developmental dead end civilization has reached.
http://loisholzman.org/2013/11/the-overweight-brain-introduction/

Its a nice read about where "logic", "reason", "science" and such have gotten us. You would like it (if you were not so busy disliking "me")
fpot
Posted 07:39pm 26/4/14
haha, I love the way you use scare quotes on the nasty words you don't like, you mentally defective little twerp.
RuleofBooKz
Posted 07:42pm 26/4/14

Its important to note that Dunning and Kruger never claimed to show that the unskilled think theyre better than the skilled; thats just the way the finding is often interpreted by others.) Also a good read:

http://www.talyarkoni.org/blog/2010/07/07/what-the-dunning-kruger-effect-is-and-isnt/

ive also never claimed to be some sort of "better" person than the average

That's all you bro


ps: the quotes are for different things. Prob the word has one common meaning and im highlighting i might not hold with that meaning in all ways. Im sorry you get so angry you need to use aggressive but self defeating language. So hostile


infi
Posted 07:49pm 26/4/14
Is this survey open to pro gamers?
RuleofBooKz
Posted 09:03pm 26/4/14
ah infi you seem to be an academic fellow, a man of Academica, who knows much. How would you resolve this?

"This man, on one hand, believes that he knows something, while not knowing (anything). On the other hand, I — equally ignorant — do not believe (that I know anything)".
infi
Posted 09:09pm 26/4/14
All that I know is that I know nothing.

Except for every square inch of every bf4 map. Totes ratchet I know.
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