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Post by Dan @ 01:44pm 11/06/13 | 55 Comments
Following Sony's eventful press conference that declared launch prices of USD$399 for North America, with Europe and the UK at EUR399, and GBP349 respectively, local Sony representatives have now confirmed to us the Australian launch price for the console as AUD$549.

The announcement leaves the PlayStation 4 $50 cheaper than the Xbox One Australian launch price of AUD$599, whereas USD$399 for a PlayStation 4 is $100 cheaper than the USD$499 Xbox One launch price in North America.




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Raven
Posted 01:50pm 11/6/13
I don't understand :?

Add a further $42, my wallet appears to have leaked $83 somewhere.

last edited by Raven at 13:50:31 11/Jun/13
parabol
Posted 01:57pm 11/6/13
So that's an 18% markup before applying GST here. The Euro/UK prices don't look good either.

I assume that's $549 for a console with only one controller (wired even?), bundled with a kids game you'll never play? Requiring most people to go for a $700 bundle or something?
natslovR
Posted 01:58pm 11/6/13
Why should Sony pay for our government's inability to compete in the currency wars?

http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=AUD&to=USD&view=2Y

That's nearly a 20% fluctuation in 24 months.
groganus
Posted 02:04pm 11/6/13
Let me put things into perspective for you guys......


UK minimum wage - 6.19 (source - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_in_Europe_by_minimum_wage )
cost of ps4 - 349

56.3 hours of work

USA minimum wage - 7.25 (source - https://www.google.com.au/search?q=america+minimum+wage&oq=america+minimum+wage&aqs=chrome.0.57j0l3j62l2.3311j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 )
cost of ps4 $399
55 hours of work


Australia Minimum wage - 15.96 (source - http://www.fairwork.gov.au/pay/national-minimum-wage/Pages/default.aspx )

cost of ps4 $549
34.3 hours of work

We WIN!
ravn0s
Posted 02:07pm 11/6/13
I assume that's $549 for a console with only one controller (wired even?), bundled with a kids game you'll never play? Requiring most people to go for a $700 bundle or something?


the controllers are wireless, the cable is only used for charging.
Raven
Posted 02:26pm 11/6/13
groganus makes a fair point. On another note, that's one ugly looking console. But then other offerings aren't any more pleasant.
greazy
Posted 02:33pm 11/6/13
Let me put things into perspective for you guys......UK minimum wage - 6.19 (source - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_in_Europe_by_minimum_wage )cost of ps4 - 34956.3 hours of workUSA minimum wage - 7.25 (source - https://www.google.com.au/search?q=america+minimum+wage&oq=america+minimum+wage&aqs=chrome.0.57j0l3j62l2.3311j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 )cost of ps4 $39955 hours of workAustralia Minimum wage - 15.96 (source - http://www.fairwork.gov.au/pay/national-minimum-wage/Pages/default.aspx )cost of ps4 $54934.3 hours of workWe WIN!

Let me put things into perspective for you:
Cost of UK PS4: $X
Cost of US PS4: $X
Cost of AUD PS4: $X

X = manufacturing and shipping cost of PS4.
groganus
Posted 02:46pm 11/6/13
That's just not how the world works. Companies price there products for the market it is being sold in.

Now if we were discussing digital items being sold id be on the same page as you, but when it comes to physical goods there is a price difference and when put into a proper perspective you will see that we actually get the best value for money.

And that's the thing, whingers that whinge over everything get there whinges mixed up and confused sometimes...

This isn't a digital product, the cost of selling it in this country are higher, and whilst it may not make up the price hike that's involved, the price hike is still there for a reason and if you still don't feel good about it, take a look at the country you live in, how good you have and how you can easily afford this higher price because of how great things are.. and be grateful.
Zapo
Posted 02:49pm 11/6/13
I'm a bit disappointed that we're not seeing the same $100 difference between the PS4 and XboxOne in Aus. That being said, I'm pretty sure Sony blew them out of the water. No online DRM checks. No issues trading or reselling games. Microsoft just got boned.

Still, I need to take a look at some of the games tonight.
ravn0s
Posted 02:54pm 11/6/13
i'm stoked for kingdom hearts 3 and ff15 formerly versus 13.
greazy
Posted 03:05pm 11/6/13
That's just not how the world works. Companies price there products for the market it is being sold in.Now if we were discussing digital items being sold id be on the same page as you, but when it comes to physical goods there is a price difference and when put into a proper perspective you will see that we actually get the best value for money.And that's the thing, whingers that whinge over everything get there whinges mixed up and confused sometimes...This isn't a digital product, the cost of selling it in this country are higher, and whilst it may not make up the price hike that's involved, the price hike is still there for a reason and if you still don't feel good about it, take a look at the country you live in, how good you have and how you can easily afford this higher price because of how great things are.. and be grateful.

I actually dont give a s*** about the price difference. I just didn't like your original explanation/justification for the price hike.
Scooter
Posted 03:12pm 11/6/13
I think it makes sense though. In order to sell PS4 in Aus they do have to put up with the higher wage costs of import, transport and even point of sale costs (Wages for Game Dude guys etc)

So for the end point of sale to still make their profit for the service of selling to you, the costs are going to be higher.

Digital, on the other hand, has none of these costs.

If it was a 100% mark-up, sure rage on, but an extra $50-100 isn't that much. Dont forget that the US Figure excludes sales Tax as well.
groganus
Posted 03:13pm 11/6/13
I actually dont give a s*** about the price difference. I just didn't like your original explanation/justification for the price hike.


I didn't explain anything (intentionally).. I purely showed the value of the items against the consumers that are intended to pay for them.


Here I was thinking that you were too stupid to understand..
Crakaveli
Posted 03:19pm 11/6/13
seems reasonable to me. I was expecting $700-800 or something ridiculous like that. May actually get one at launch if the controller has been fixed, it's my biggest problem with the ps3. Controller feels so gumby after using a 360 one.
PeterThePossumMan
Posted 03:35pm 11/6/13
Did you honestly believe they wouldn't rip Australians off? Every company charges the typical Australian tax.
WirlWind
Posted 03:40pm 11/6/13
Crakaveli, I don't know what smack you've been injecting, but I'll take some :P

The PS3 controller was epic feeling. No mismatched thumb bulls*** and the analogue sticks are FAR superior imo to the average 360 pad.

The buttons could have done with being a little fatter and the L2/R2 could have been a little less... spongey, but otherwise it was the better controller imo.

Hell, my K/D ratio backed it up too when I switched over to PS3 lol.
Crakaveli
Posted 04:02pm 11/6/13
obviously it's personal preference really but i have large hands and the ps3 controller feels like a cheap toy i might accidently break in half. i don't like the way the analog sticks sit either, i much prefer the 360 setup.

I'll just have to get used to it i guess.
WirlWind
Posted 04:15pm 11/6/13
I have large hands, but I dunno. It fit nicely in mine. I guess it does feel a little flimsier, but that's all in your brain.

Once you're used to it, I'm fairly sure you'll like it more. The D-Pad and analogue sticks are just far far better.

The only real thing I miss from the 360 pad is the triggers and how they felt.
kos
Posted 05:59pm 11/6/13
That is indeed pretty ugly, looks a little better standing up and switched on...
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...but not much.

The thing that worries me most is that they're pricing it dangerously close to a price I can justify to myself without actually having a good reason to get a new console.

Edit: Scratch that, just saw that it requires a subscription for online MP, at least that's one reason not to get the PS4.
Khel
Posted 05:34pm 11/6/13
Reminds me of a PS2 a bit when its standing up and switched on
BlueWolf
Posted 05:45pm 11/6/13
Seems Sony are on the ball. Might actually buy my first launch console.

Though its the price of games that worries me most, so spoiled by online PC prices that paying $100 for a game seems mad.

Single player games, offline without having people popping up asking me to play other games, delicious! Just like my PC when I shutdown instant messaging and disable steam friends.

Bring on the games! So glad it isn't $1000... Ahh PS3 you'll work harder to buy one lol
ravn0s
Posted 06:04pm 11/6/13
That is indeed pretty ugly, looks a little better standing up and switched on...


it looks better than the xbone imo.
paveway
Posted 06:05pm 11/6/13
Yeah pretty keen now >$600 ftw

Now all they need to do is announce dark souls 2 is being released on ps4 and i am 100% sold
ravn0s
Posted 06:12pm 11/6/13
Reminds me of a PS2 a bit when its standing up and switched on


Bah
Posted 06:19pm 11/6/13
Yeah pretty keen now >$600 ftw
Yeah should be >$1000 then youd keep all the kiddies off right.
kos
Posted 06:47pm 11/6/13
it looks better than the xbone imo.

agreed
paveway
Posted 06:51pm 11/6/13
Lols <*
tel
Posted 09:39pm 11/6/13
It reminded of the PS2 aswell. $549 is much more realistic than $800.
Wrecktim
Posted 11:51pm 11/6/13
why do people think that all console games are $100. most new release games that i've bought are $69 at either JB of BigW.
BladeRunner
Posted 03:28am 12/6/13
$549 with an avadible launch title of my choice, That would be reasonable.

I also kinda get the PS2 impression from it. I don't really care for the cut out bit that goes around the console, also the 2 tone plastic. If the surface was flat I would like it more. I guess I could always put a paper bag over it and cut out holes for the disc and cords... lol
maRtz
Posted 08:03am 12/6/13
Edit: Scratch that, just saw that it requires a subscription for online MP, at least that's one reason not to get the PS4


what in the buttf***? How much?

also can you play previous gen games on it? From PS1 to PS3??
kos
Posted 08:11am 12/6/13
Just under $5 a month, $50 a year.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/06/ps4-owners-will-need-playstation-plus-subscription-for-online-multiplayer/

It's being discussed in this thread.

No there's no backwards compatibility (which is kind of understandable considering the vast difference in architecture), they might release some old games on PSN I guess, but you'd obviously have to pay for them again if they did.
ravn0s
Posted 08:29am 12/6/13
gaikai is what they're doing for backwards compatibility. they want to be able to stream old games to you.
kos
Posted 08:36am 12/6/13
From what I've read about that so far, it doesn't exactly sound very promising...

Not for a good few years yet at least, and probably even longer outside of the US.
eski
Posted 09:40am 12/6/13
No there's no backwards compatibility (which is kind of understandable considering the vast difference in architecture


I really don't buy that argument. My PC still runs pretty much every game from the last 10-15 years and the systems have changed dramatically over that time. If I want to run even older games I have dosbox, or other emulators. I can buy competitors hardware and run it on that, and at no point is my back catalogue of digital games lost. All that and I don't even have to pay a fee.

I can kind of understand with disc games, but denying me access to my digital purchases and effectively erasing my PSN/XBL catalogue is a deal breaker. If consoles want to turn themselves into PCs, then they had better realise that they're competing with Steam.

I also don't hold out much hope of a decent Gaikai solution in Australia.
Khel
Posted 09:44am 12/6/13
The parts in your PC have changed, but its still the same architecture, its still x86. PS3 -> PS4 is entirely different architecture.
kos
Posted 10:00am 12/6/13
I really don't buy that argument. My PC still runs pretty much every game from the last 10-15 years and the systems have changed dramatically over that time.
And yet over those entire 15 years PC architecture has been exactly the same (x86), whereas consoles have not even been the same architecture from one generation to the next.

Granted PS1 and PS2 games could probably run on a software emulator running on the PS4 (but for such old games/systems I'd say the demand/ROI would not come close to justifying the work required to create a software emulator for an entire system) but it does seem credible to me that you would not be able to run a full software emulation of the PS3's Cell microprocessor on the PS4's x86 chip.

Fingers crossed that now they've both arrived at x86 architecture for the latest generation that they'll stick with it for future generations and this won't be an excuse any longer, then they'll have to come up with some other s***tier excuse instead. ;P


Edit: All that said, though, again Sony shows that it's actually making some effort to give people what they want with the Gaikai functionality, unlike MS with the Xbox One which is just flat out ignoring backwards compatibility (as far as I'm aware). What kind of backwards world is this where Sony is making the better decisions?
eski
Posted 10:14am 12/6/13
I'm not the one telling them to continually change their code. Since 2000 Windows has had 3 operating systems, gone from 32 to 64 bit instruction sets, gone from directx7 to DX11, and numerous iterations of chips. And yet pretty much all my s*** works.

Having all of my purchases become useless every 5 years is not attractive to me. I like going back and playing old games, and these guys are trying to take that away with all their always online, zero backwards compatibility policies.

edit - arent the 360 and XB1 both x86?
Khel
Posted 10:05am 12/6/13
Over that time its gone across 3 operating systems, gone from 32 to 64 bit instruction sets, numerous iterations of chips and massive redesign of hardware architectures.


Still all x86 though. Everything got faster and the bus and cache and stuff change, but its still x86 architecture. Ps3 was customised PowerPC architecture. You can't take software thats built for a RISC instruction set and run it on x86 architecture, they're just too different. You'd need an emulator, and a software emulator would most likely be too slow which means they'd essentially need to build PS3 hardware into the PS4 for it to be backwards compatible, which would up the price substantially (thats what they did with the first run of PS3s and they cost something like $900 here when they first came out).
kos
Posted 10:14am 12/6/13
edit - arent the 360 and XB1 both x86? :P

No, the 360 was PowerPC architechture, just like Macs were up until 2006, interestingly enough, at which time Apple changed them to Intel x86 and encountered a similar issue with backwards compatibility.

(Edit: I see your re-re-ninja edit edit and raise you a ninja edit edit quote.)
eski
Posted 10:14am 12/6/13
Sure Khel, I understand that, but my PC is sitting right next to me offering me a service that isnt controlled by hardware reissue, and that's what I would prefer to become the norm. Hence why I'm trying to drum up some outrage about this, because as we all know, if the consumer doesnt get outraged about something then sooner or later some corporate d*** will take it away.

Ninja edited it back for you kos :P
eski
Posted 10:31am 12/6/13
I just don't get it. Whenever we talk about digital purchases, everyone always brings up the bogeyman of what would happen if Steam or iTunes shut down, and people go crazy saying that will never happen or they will never buy digital because they're worried about exactly that.

It's all speculation though because it's never happened, and YET here it is happening right before our eyes, a generation of digital purchases being effectively wiped out, and we're all ok with this because its a slippery slope and not an outright cliff?

It's BAFFLING!
paveway
Posted 10:32am 12/6/13
What a surprise, eski getting enraged by s*** that no one else is

The original ps3 that had backwards compatibiliy had a whole ps2 inside of it to be able to do that, that isn't a sustainable method.

I am not a games programmer but i assume the changes in architecture are based on a s***load of advances, it would be pretty daft to expect them to be using ps1 architecture 20 years later.
kos
Posted 10:47am 12/6/13
I totally get where you're coming from eski but without going into too much history I think previous generations have gone with custom/RISC architectures to get the best bang for their buck out of (relatively) affordable hardware at the time. Now that PC hardware has become so affordable they can make the move to x86 architecture affordably and that can only stand to benefit us PC gamers massively (hopefully meaning a lot less console-only games).

So yeah I understand the frustration, but personally I'm just so happy they've finally arrived at x86, I'd save my outrage for if they ever decide to move away from it in future generations!
kos
Posted 10:58am 12/6/13
I just don't get it. Whenever we talk about digital purchases, everyone always brings up the bogeyman of what would happen if Steam or iTunes shut down, and people go crazy saying that will never happen or they will never buy digital because they're worried about exactly that.

It's all speculation though because it's never happened, and YET here it is happening right before our eyes, a generation of digital purchases being effectively wiped out, and we're all ok with this because its a slippery slope and not an outright cliff?

It's BAFFLING!

But they're not being wiped out, the PS3 is still being supported, they're even bringing out new games and new services for it with this Gaikai thing being made for the PS3 as well. And considering that, it seems quite likely that a cheap version of the PS3 will be sold for some time yet as an affordable alternative, just as the PS2 was sold for many many years after the PS3 came out (in fact they only discontinued the PS2 a month before the PS4 was announced, it was sold for 13 years!).

So if you want to keep your games, just keep your PS3. It's not ideal, but not end of the world like you're making out. :P
ravn0s
Posted 01:37pm 12/6/13
sony have announced that the console is region free and amazon have said that they will ship the console to Australia. so if you want to risk it you can purchase it through them and save $100 or so.
eski
Posted 01:44pm 12/6/13
Sony were pretty awesome with importing the PS3, the transformer would work anywhere in the world, you just needed to supply your own kettle cord.
Bah
Posted 03:10pm 12/6/13
it would be pretty daft to expect them to be using ps1 architecture 20 years later.
Sorry too busy playing Doom to reply to your comment.
maRtz
Posted 04:28pm 12/6/13
The original ps3 that had backwards compatibiliy had a whole ps2 inside of it to be able to do that, that isn't a sustainable method.


i believe i have this version of the ps3, has more usb ports as well and plays all previous gen games but i thought this was a software emulator and not a 'ps2 inside a ps3' thing.
Resonate
Posted 04:31pm 12/6/13
The original 60gig ps3 did have the ps2 chip inside. The cost made it unsustainable and they removed it.
eski
Posted 04:47pm 12/6/13
I think the software emulation was only for PS1 games.
maRtz
Posted 06:18pm 12/6/13
Oic
ctd
Posted 08:01pm 12/6/13
At 400 bucks I might get one just for the hell of it. Always buy consoles, never play them.

Probably looking at 600-800 bucks - couple of games, an extra contarlor, shipping. Maybe just get a gtx770 and haswell.
Obes
Posted 08:06pm 12/6/13
We are paying more because we can ... why can we ? because we (Australians) live in a bubble that thinks we felt the GFC or the Euro crisis ... we didn't.

That and Australian reviewers continue to support regionalised pricing. And regionalised pricing should immediately cop a 50% discount on the score.
It would hurt their metacritic score (vaguely).
copuis
Posted 08:22pm 12/6/13
I am not a games programmer but i assume the changes in architecture are based on a s***load of advances, it would be pretty daft to expect them to be using ps1 architecture 20 years later.


would you really need to, or would the current power of the consoles (including the wii u) be able to run the games happy as thru an emulator??

one of the great things with PC (for the most part) is that most games can still be played, liked cosmos cosmic adventures?, steam, dos box and a 2nd copy, many games sites,

alex the kid, ha, not likely on a new console
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