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Post by Dan @ 08:44am 02/06/11 | 48 Comments
Games blog Kotaku's inside source appears to still be leaking like a seive as they have a bunch of alledged new information about the game's multiplayer to share today.

The article contains detailed specifics about many of the game's proposed killstreaks and perks, but oddly the most significant factoid they have to offer is dropped as a closing footnote:
We've also learned, unfortunately, that this latest Call of Duty still won't support dedicated servers, instead relying on the [player] hosted servers found in previous iterations of the game. Dedicated servers were removed from the Modern Warfare games starting with Modern Warfare 2. (Modern Warfare 3 appears to be using DemonWare for player authentication, just like with Call of Duty: Black Ops.)
Dedicated servers are obviously a very big deal for PC gamers (and any consolers that know what's good for them) and while Modern Warfare 2 controversially shipped without support for them, they were reintroduced in Black Ops (albeit in a very hamstrung manner).

With Modern Warfare 3 going up against some of the stiffest competition yet with EA's (dedicated server confirmed) Battlefield 3 this November, it's a bold move by Activision to beleieve they can sail on without them.

This is of course very unofficial confirmation for now, but Kotaku's source did prove credible on their previous leaks. Following the article's publication, Infinity Ward's Robert Bowling has since contrarily confirmed that there will be no "stopping power" or "team perks" in the game, but has not mentioned anything about dedicated servers -- take that as you will.

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 is due on PC, Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 on November 8th 2011.





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Latest Comments
taggs
Posted 08:54am 02/6/11
no dedicated servers = no money from me.

sucks that there will be plenty of people who will buy it regardless, though.
ravn0s
Posted 08:54am 02/6/11
who cares about dedicated servers when there's stat tracking?
3x0dus
Posted 09:16am 02/6/11
its pretty annoying how many games don't have dedicated server support anymore.
Game companies don't always make for the best hosts.
Lithium
Posted 09:17am 02/6/11
Whats that activision? You want me to pirate the shit out of your game since the mp is dud? Oh ok, np!

BF3 it is. Even though I wasn't a huge fan of BF2 :/ Im sure its going to be way better then the typical "run and gun, get 2 lucky kills because you saw them first, then camp another 6 kills to get a helicopter that kills everyone" style of play.
Trauma
Posted 09:18am 02/6/11
Yaaarrrrrrr!
kappa
Posted 09:28am 02/6/11
Lol this isn't even a surprise.
Tollaz0r!
Posted 09:45am 02/6/11
Hah, BF3 wins.
`ViPER`
Posted 10:00am 02/6/11
So you have to pay AND they dont give you dedicated servers?

At least with WoW you know there is a fuckload of hardware/technology behind running the game, MW3 will have what?

A forum that will be shit because any negative comments about the game will be deleted, and stats tracking that no one cares about.

Yes I know there will be a MP that you dont have to pay for, but they will structure it so the free version is basically useless after the first month or so, with everyone moving to the exclusive maps/content that come with the subscription.
Eorl
Posted 10:07am 02/6/11
Well, now we can call MW3 DOA.
Python
Posted 10:08am 02/6/11
Wait until something official has been released, they could be talking about consoles...
teq
Posted 10:10am 02/6/11
why is this at all surprising, didn't the last modern warfare not have dedicated servers either?
i like how everyone was like 'fuck that, lets boycott it!' and then they all bought it and whinge when the next installation has no dedicated servers either

serves the idiots right
ArchetypE
Posted 11:09am 02/6/11
I thought the whole point of mistakes was to learn from them?
Enska
Posted 11:31am 02/6/11
You would have to count MW2 as a mistake for that to happen. I don't think Acti see it that way.
Also, people seem to be getting MW3 and CoD Elite mixed up itt.
Mosfxx
Posted 11:49am 02/6/11
Nail in the coffin?
ArchetypE
Posted 12:08pm 02/6/11
Well when BF3 launches with dedicated servers and an overall better gameplay experience, I doubt MW3 will do very well. Fingers crossed at least.
Enska
Posted 12:22pm 02/6/11
Again with the assumptions that BF3 will be a better game. Yes it will have dedicated servers, but I think it's a bit much to just flat out assume it's going to be a great game.
EA have made shitty choices in the past too, so many people watch a BF3 trailer and seem to forget that.
Morbz
Posted 01:13pm 02/6/11
if mw3 and bf3 has shitloads of wepaons to customize ill buy them. There are so many guns missed! we want more boom factor dammit!
Pirroh
Posted 01:22pm 02/6/11
Black Ops has a free weekend coming up.

http://store.steampowered.com/news/5596/
Eorl
Posted 01:40pm 02/6/11
I believe it will have a lot more bang for buck Enska, then MW3. Just looking at those few seconds at the end of that Elite video, it just looks purely like MW2. I don't see Activision wanting to stray to far away from their current business model, it would be to risky. Just easier for them to rehash the same guns and sound packs.

Also, just looking at the 12 minute singleplayer gameplay video for Battlefield 3 makes me know multiplayer is going to be damn awesome. Expect BF3 multiplayer details being shown at E3, and going to blow MW3 out of the water.
trog
Posted 01:41pm 02/6/11
I predict everyone will rage about dedicated servers for a while, then once it comes out and a few of their noob friends talk about how awesome it is, they'll all buy it, and then stop playing it a few weeks later. It's the Circle of Life! Well, Circle of Poverty.
Eorl
Posted 01:50pm 02/6/11
Circle of Friendship more like it. I'll probably buy it if I can't convince my best friend to get BF3. Though his in the army, so most likely will get both.
Trauma
Posted 01:54pm 02/6/11
I rkn trog is right but this is a pirate one, regardless of if this turns out to be true.
Fixah
Posted 01:57pm 02/6/11
Well when BF3 launches with dedicated servers and an overall better gameplay experience, I doubt MW3 will do very well. Fingers crossed at least.
You seem to forget that the latest in the COD series makes its money from the console market. It may well not do very well on PC, but the console noobs (like myself, ahem) will end up buying this eventually. I should know because i'm already being asked for pre-orders for MW3 and none of em were PC players. If that's an indication of where we're heading, we're all doomed.
Python
Posted 02:15pm 02/6/11
I enjoyed MW2, multiplayer as well. Never really had a problem with lag or anything either.. I'm sure I'll probably get this. COD has lots of good points that BF doesn't.
Raider
Posted 02:47pm 02/6/11
no dedicated servers, paying for things that should be free, i guess black ops was the last cod game i'll buy, sup bf3.
The GuVna
Posted 03:27pm 02/6/11
I don't understand the positive side for their business model to remove the dedicated server option for their clients. Is there a reason for them deciding this way if it is to be like MW2?

I enjoyed MW2 but having a multiplayer game pause so it transfers to a new host is, & always will be, stupid.
Ivonin
Posted 03:38pm 02/6/11
So much fail.
Deviouz
Posted 04:13pm 02/6/11
As ive posted a a few times in the past (I play PC) I liked MW2's non-dedicated setup, made it fast fun and random to play, with mates and get fast games (no nuketown 24/7 x 1000 servers) so I actually like this news if it pans out. Im still leaning towards BF3, I loved Bf2, but my guess is it will be unplayable for a few patches (bunnyhoppingdolphindiving), I'll probably get both the biggest thing scaring me about BF3 is the DRM setup, I cant play my STEAM bought BC2 because it says insert disk!!! probly gonna be a secuROM nightmare
trog
Posted 04:37pm 02/6/11
I don't understand the positive side for their business model to remove the dedicated server option for their clients. Is there a reason for them deciding this way if it is to be like MW2?
Quite simply, it decreases the longevity of the game artificially to encourage people to buy the next one.

It's the exact opposite of the strategy employed by companies like Blizzard and Valve, who build games for the long haul, going after the "long tail" of sales and relying on word of mouth to just keep sales going over time.

The really frustrating thing is that it would be so easy for them to turn the next Call of Duty game into the defacto standard for FPS competitive gaming by following Blizzard's lead - build your game for multiplayer first, focus on competitive features and making it something suitable for pro-gaming - the rest will almost just follow naturally. The original FPS games that fostered so much awesome competition did that almost accidentally simply by their very nature.

People who take games seriously for competitive purposes don't really want to get into a franchise that is going to be renewed every 12 months; the time investment to get good at something only to have it replaced shortly later just seems to great, especially because so many of the skills are game specific.

The dedicated server thing clearly isn't even a requirement - see SC2 - but for FPS games especially and for new titles, it means that they can be scaled quickly and they can be run anywhere by anyone, which I think is a truly critical part of any growing a real competitive scene.
Eorl
Posted 04:40pm 02/6/11
I can understand having it be easy by just clicking a button and joining a "server", but can't they tie that into dedicated server model? Just like how MW2 is, you set parameters for what server you want, then it will find a dedicated server that meets your needs. Or is that to much sense for Activision? So you still have the "lobby" system where you can link parties together/friends etc. and still have a dedicated server model.
Tollaz0r!
Posted 06:03pm 02/6/11
What they should do is, as Trog stated, make a COD/MW game PURELY competitive multilayer and target the Pro(ish)gamers. Give it the dedicated servers, advertise it as being the Big thing for FPS comps, sponsor some big comps to get things rolling. Get everyone convinced it is going to be around for many years.

Also, have the single player type COD with their current formula that they can pump out year after year as a cash cow (with its own multi player). Every now and then if a multilayer part of it is really enhanced add it too the pro version.
kappa
Posted 07:31pm 02/6/11
Black Ops has a free weekend coming up.http://store.steampowered.com/news/5596/

Cool thanks.
Totenkopf
Posted 08:22pm 02/6/11
Frostbite!
Whoop
Posted 08:55pm 02/6/11
I predict everyone will rage about dedicated servers for a while, then once it comes out and a few of their noob friends talk about how awesome it is, they'll all buy it, and then stop playing it a few weeks later. It's the Circle of Life! Well, Circle of Poverty.

I swore black & blue I'd never buy it, played the "free" version, liked it so much so ended up buying it anyway. I still play mw2 to this day, I make a pretty decent host now so at least I always have a good game even if everyone else has a shitty connection to me :p

I probably won't get this immediately, nor will I get bf3 right away. I'll wait until I see others playing and see whether or not there's any major issues. I don't want another bad company 2 where I buy it then end up not being able to play because of lame server browsers & ea login failure.

What they should do is, as Trog stated, make a COD/MW game PURELY competitive multilayer and target the Pro(ish)gamers. Give it the dedicated servers, advertise it as being the Big thing for FPS comps, sponsor some big comps to get things rolling. Get everyone convinced it is going to be around for many years.

I'm pretty sure if there's any hard core gamers who really want to play something purely for comps they'll go play quake, or there's still some cod4 dedicated servers around.
reLapse
Posted 09:01pm 02/6/11
CoD 8 = EoL
tormentor6969
Posted 05:11am 03/6/11
i have owned all the cod games black ops was a let down gun wise. but as for multiplayer it was fun and u dont need dedicated servers most of the time they r that far away u wanna join some one elese cause they have less ping persaonlly i cant wait for mw3 and bf3 can lick my nut sack
ctd
Posted 05:32am 03/6/11
^ Example of a cod player.
Enska
Posted 06:49am 03/6/11
What the, that doesn't even make sense.

I'm pretty sure if there's any hard core gamers who really want to play something purely for comps they'll go play quake, or there's still some cod4 dedicated servers around.


See that's the thing. So many people play FPS's, and so many people are pretty damn good at them, that it's kind of mind boggling that those features and that kind of atmosphere can't/ is not being achieved currently.
I held out hope that Brink would take us back to that, but it's already gone stale a few weeks into release.
ravn0s
Posted 08:17am 03/6/11
i have owned all the cod games black ops was a let down gun wise. but as for multiplayer it was fun and u dont need dedicated servers most of the time they r that far away u wanna join some one elese cause they have less ping persaonlly i cant wait for mw3 and bf3 can lick my nut sack



i can't even...
RockitMan
Posted 08:29am 03/6/11
This is why I've never played MW2 - once I heard there were no dedicated servers I immediately envisioned some shit choppy online play where the host rage/quits. So I bought BC2 and had an awesome time playing it for ages.

From the MW2 youtube videos I've seen BC2 looks like it has a way better 'feel' to it anyway. The player model movement looked lightweight in MW2, but thats from vids...

Can't friggin wait for BC3!!!!
Eorl
Posted 11:43am 03/6/11
i have owned all the cod games black ops was a let down gun wise. but as for multiplayer it was fun and u dont need dedicated servers most of the time they r that far away u wanna join some one elese cause they have less ping persaonlly i cant wait for mw3 and bf3 can lick my nut sack

Ok whose troll account is this?
DM
Posted 11:45am 03/6/11
Only reason I can see behind removing this feature is in america, everyone has access to rather fast net, much more so than here. So playing p2p with 10 people isn't bad since everyone has a high speed connection. When we go to play with that though we get the lag and arse end of it all since we are so far away and have slower net.
trog
Posted 01:17pm 03/6/11
Only reason I can see behind removing this feature is in america, everyone has access to rather fast net, much more so than here
I don't know why people think this is true - it is true if you live in a major city, but there are fuckloads of areas where you're at the mercy of giant telcos in a situation that is much, much worse than it is in Australia. Read some of the ISP threads on Slashdot to get a feel for the variety in US ISPs - they're basically screwed because their equivalent of the ACCC doesn't step down on bullshit trade practices by ISPs (like "unlimited") and is happy to allow monopolies to exist in a lot of areas, so many customers have exactly one choice of customer.
paveway
Posted 01:31pm 03/6/11
bazinga
Mordecai
Posted 01:43pm 03/6/11
I don't know why people think this is true - it is true if you live in a major city, but there are fuckloads of areas where you're at the mercy of giant telcos in a situation that is much, much worse than it is in Australia. Read some of the ISP threads on Slashdot to get a feel for the variety in US ISPs - they're basically screwed because their equivalent of the ACCC doesn't step down on bullshit trade practices by ISPs (like "unlimited") and is happy to allow monopolies to exist in a lot of areas, so many customers have exactly one choice of customer.

Was reading a few weeks back a couple of towns voted with an overwhelming majority to build their own networks to get away from the whole one provider thing. The providers are taking them to court and trying to get state goverments to stop the towns being allowed to have a choice. America fuck yeah?
step
Posted 02:18pm 03/6/11
Wow they will never learn.
kappa
Posted 05:39pm 03/6/11
I just tried the BLOPS free MP weeking on steam and my PC just can't run it smooth enough even with every setting the absolute lowest :( I didn't think it would be this hard to run.
Whoop
Posted 09:03pm 03/6/11
This is why I've never played MW2 - once I heard there were no dedicated servers I immediately envisioned some shit choppy online play where the host rage/quits. So I bought BC2 and had an awesome time playing it for ages.

From the MW2 youtube videos I've seen BC2 looks like it has a way better 'feel' to it anyway. The player model movement looked lightweight in MW2, but thats from vids...

Can't friggin wait for BC3!!!!

I've played mw2 and bad company 2, let me just say the lack of lean in mw2 shits me, the lack of lean AND prone in bad company 2 is just really fucking stupid.

Online play for the most part isn't choppy, not many people teleport but at times there is some severe lag if you end up with an american host. If you play at a time when most of Australia is awake though, I don't notice that much of a difference between mw2 & bad company 2.

As for how the game looks & feels, I guess it's personal preference? I've got no problems with either game, they both handle differently but neither is better or worse, they're just different.
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