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Post by trog @ 10:49am 30/04/11 | 45 Comments
A new version of Firefox was released yesterday, bringing Mozilla's open source browser up to version 4.0.1. It's only a minor security fix so no new features but as always it is definitely worth updating.

We've got mirrors online now for Windows, Mac OS X and Linux so download now and get updated!

(For those running Thunderbird for email, there's also a new version of that with similar security fixes; we have the Windows installer mirrored as well.)












Latest Comments
Twisted
Posted 12:33pm 30/4/11
Cool, seems they have auto updated themselves. Maybe a placebo thing, but I swear my Firefox is loading pages a bit quicker after the update.
Sc00bs
Posted 12:40pm 30/4/11
yeah mine seems to be loading pages up faster

Chuckeh
Posted 02:37pm 30/4/11
probably not related to this update, but i just noticed my flash is working properly again - loading a youtube video would cripple my net connection until it finished loading or i pressed 'stop download'. Now it doesn't.
Robbo
Posted 01:56am 01/5/11
So you blog about minor (very minor) fixes of firefox and I have yet to see a post about Opera? The browser which doesn't use up all your computers resources? Less biased shit on this site would be nice. Considering this is a gaming site and all... are you payed to advertise firefox? Because chrome is the best browser for games by far, firefox one of the worst...

If I was to make forum posts about other browsers would you promote them? Kind of annoying to see this kind of shit as news... I understand 4.0, or even minor feature releases like 3.5 or whatever it was but a minor bug release? Slow day in news much?
ctd
Posted 02:14am 01/5/11
more like ausXBOXgamers!211!
reLapse
Posted 03:48am 01/5/11
Robbo considering most people use FF...
Whoop
Posted 05:23am 01/5/11
I dunno reLapse, I reckon it'd be 50/50 firefox/chrome on here, maybe even more users using chrome.

Trog: A poll if you please.

e: Actually just post up the user agent stats from the server logs
Mosfxx
Posted 10:53am 01/5/11
Yeah I use Chrome, I love it's simplicity.
Safari seems clunky and slow, I gave the new IE a run but didn't like the design.
trog
Posted 11:17am 01/5/11
So you blog about minor (very minor) fixes of firefox and I have yet to see a post about Opera? The browser which doesn't use up all your computers resources? Less biased shit on this site would be nice. Considering this is a gaming site and all... are you payed to advertise firefox? Because chrome is the best browser for games by far, firefox one of the worst...
haha, Opera users are awesome. They have the such an awesome stereotypical persecuted minority complex!

I post about new releases of Firefox for the following reasons:

1) it's awesome
2) it's really awesome
3) it's open source and freely redistributable and easy for people to download and try out, if for some reason they haven't tried it
4) some other reasons but I got bored of making a list!
but mostly...
5) Most of our user base uses Firefox. No need for a poll, I can tell you what everyone is using because we STEAL YOUR PRIVACIEZ:

If I was to make forum posts about other browsers would you promote them? Kind of annoying to see this kind of shit as news... I understand 4.0, or even minor feature releases like 3.5 or whatever it was but a minor bug release? Slow day in news much?
It's the first post 4.0 release so it has the first batch of security fixes after a major version change. I think that's important, especially for people who tend to not upgrade at version 1.0 because they're security conscious. If you look back through all Firefox tagged posts in our news you can see we post a mix of major and minor updates, but mostly only major ones.

I sincerely apologise for the time you wasted though in reading this article. If you can also let me know what games you don't like I will make sure we don't post about them to prevent further wastage of your time!

I will guarantee though if you post news about Opera I will more than happily promote it (as long as it's in a news-postable format with minimal editing; same rules as for all our promoted posts). I'll even mirror the installers so everyone can download them locally. Not biased against Opera at all, it's just hard to devote much time to it when it seems barely anyone in the world actually uses it to access our site.
trog
Posted 11:37am 01/5/11
I will also add:

Not blind to the faults of Firefox. I am a long-time Firefox user and think it is probably one of the most siginficant pieces of software ever, single-handledly responsible for decimating the Internet Explorer userbase.

I think Firefox's new roadmap is a big step back for Mozilla. I don't like their plan of just copying Google's system for Chrome. I think v4 shows why it's a bad idea - to me, at least. They managed to copy all the parts of Chrome that I think are dumb (removing the status bar, and one other major change that I can't remember) and somehow ignored the things in Chrome that are genuinely game-changers - the super-fast startup time and the generally better performance.

I don't want to be using Firefox 11 in 8 months time just because they've changed their version numbering system to match Chromes. I refused to believe people are so stupid that they'll think it's a good thing. Noone I know pays any attention to the Chrome version number, because it simply changes so fast, but the Firefox version number is clearly indicative of major functionality changes so it's a great indicator.

Also here are some other interesting graphs - Firefox usage for as far back as we have records (2005 it looks like) and IE, Chrome, Opera:









Also might be of interest, this is mobile stuff in the aggregate (so includes iPhone, Android, etc). iPhone, iPad, iPod appears to account for over ~75% of the total here, Android is around 13%

Midda
Posted 11:39am 01/5/11
Those browser stats are pretty cool.

Good to see Chrome on the up!
trog
Posted 11:44am 01/5/11
Yep Chrome is still eating everyone's lunch, I will be interested to see at what point it plateaus out, but for now it is still showing no signs of stopping!
greazy
Posted 11:50am 01/5/11
Was firefox for ages but now chrome. It's just faster, that's why I use it.
HeardY
Posted 12:07pm 01/5/11
Yeah FF is just laggy as fuck, well it used to be when I last used it how ever many years ago it was when Chrome came out.

Chrome for me is snappier and does everything I need it to do so I am staying with it.

also lol at trog's FF fanboyism :P
Sc00bs
Posted 12:13pm 01/5/11
yeah im not a fan of gettin rid of the home, refresh and status bar
Bikkies
Posted 12:28pm 01/5/11
Yay Rockmelt in the top 10, how many unique users(Roughly) are there for Rockmelt visiting Ausgamers?
deadlyf
Posted 12:55pm 01/5/11
I wouldn't touch Chrome simply because despite not being a typical ultra paranoid I don't trust Google with absolutely all of my information. My email and search history in google is bad enough IMO. On the other hand FF don't make their money from selling targeted advertising based off of information gleaned from my browsing habits and have awesome addons so I'm happy to stick with them.

I mean if you have an Android phone, use Chrome and have a gmail account then Google pretty much know everything about you. While the old rationale of they probably don't care enough about you to want to know all your little secretes is true, it's still disconcerting to think about it.
csirac
Posted 12:58pm 01/5/11
Yay Rockmelt in the top 10, how many unique users(Roughly) are there for Rockmelt visiting Ausgamers?


lol top 10 in a 10 man race.
3dee
Posted 01:11pm 01/5/11
I use Chrome because it's fast.
parabol
Posted 02:38pm 01/5/11
I'd still be using Chrome if it had the massive plugin base that Firefox has.

Back to FF(v4) and it's super-fast. With actual plugins.

last edited by parabol at 14:38:03 01/May/11
Nerfington
Posted 03:28pm 01/5/11
I use firefox because I'm familiar with it and performance is relatively good compared to everything else, but having done a lot of work in heavy JavaScript lately, I have noticed that Chrome is significantly faster. I think this is because of realtime evaluation and compiling tricks that Chrome does with scripts, which may explain why FF may be unable to keep up (Mozilla is more like a side-project for the devs afaik).
Thundercracker
Posted 03:54pm 01/5/11
The V8 engine is very fast, and they are still making changes to it to improve javascript performance.
Nerfington
Posted 04:27pm 01/5/11
Oddly though, a webapp I'm working on runs like ass on my android phone (which uses v8), despite only using about 10% of one core on my desktop cpu (which makes me think that it should work relatively well on the phone, though I don't fully understand the difference of CPUs beyond number of gigahertz'ii). My app relies heavily on html5 canvases, so I'm perhaps getting graphical hardware acceleration in Chrome (even if just for composting of manually written pixel buffers) which might explain the speed diff.
Scooter
Posted 05:34pm 01/5/11
Don't like v4... Still very happy running 3.6.something.
Robbo
Posted 09:50pm 01/5/11
I lol at people who think Firefox is fast. I can understand a lot of people using firefox in the past but now all it has is plugins, every other major browser does every other thing better (IE doesn't count).

PS. who the fuck moves a refresh button!??!?!?!??! RAGE!

I use firefox for developement and after having it open with barely any tabs it still runs really laggy, I often have to restart it (to the exact same point I was in) to be able to use it without slowing down my development time. I'm on linux so maybe they just don't give it as much care as windows and mac.

PPS. I'm an opera fanboi? You out fanboi me easily!

PPPS off topic.. Another thing you are pasiionate about is how servers are done... I am writing a system for dedicated servers to support official and unofficial server... but anyone can be official, they just need to apply for a key. I want to talk to you about what you expect etc, I will also be blogging on wolfire.com about it at some point in the future hopefully... can I email you or should I start a discussion here about it on the forums?
lewd scoff
Posted 10:15pm 01/5/11
oh yeah.i forgot i had updated to version 4.no real difference to me from 3.&$#$&#
Thundercracker
Posted 10:30pm 01/5/11
Nerf if you are using the canvas check out http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/MIX/MIX11/CMP06 which I found pretty interesting. I haven't touched the canvas myself, but I found the video highlights some efficiencies in how the canvas is used.
Nerfington
Posted 11:46pm 01/5/11
Heh fear not, I have been working heavily with canvas most waking hours for nearly a year straight now, and have written everything from memory leak work-arounds to fully fledged software renderers.

edit: I shouldn't say fully fledged. My shadow mapping has self shadowing problems, my texturing is temporarily taken out, there's no capacity for animating meshes, and my mesh datastructure is balls. Tbh it was amazing at first because I'd never done anything like it, but now it's just an endless uphill battle of balls. :'(
Whoop
Posted 09:39am 02/5/11
I lol at people who think Firefox is fast. I can understand a lot of people using firefox in the past but now all it has is plugins, every other major browser does every other thing better (IE doesn't count).

PS. who the fuck moves a refresh button!??!?!?!??! RAGE!


The handy dandy plugins are the only reason I've stuck with firefox. Chrome might be faster but it doesn't have the plugins I know and love.

PS. You can move the buttons wherever you want in firefox.
trog
Posted 09:46am 02/5/11
I use firefox for developement and after having it open with barely any tabs it still runs really laggy, I often have to restart it (to the exact same point I was in) to be able to use it without slowing down my development time. I'm on linux so maybe they just don't give it as much care as windows and mac.
Mozilla actually announced yesterday that they think they've solved the problem of Firefox sucking more on Linux
PPPS off topic.. Another thing you are pasiionate about is how servers are done... I am writing a system for dedicated servers to support official and unofficial server... but anyone can be official, they just need to apply for a key. I want to talk to you about what you expect etc, I will also be blogging on wolfire.com about it at some point in the future hopefully... can I email you or should I start a discussion here about it on the forums?
either or, happy to provide feedback! Make sure you check out our dedicated server guide for the basics too
3dee
Posted 11:26am 02/5/11
dit: I shouldn't say fully fledged. My shadow mapping has self shadowing problems, my texturing is temporarily taken out, there's no capacity for animating meshes, and my mesh datastructure is balls. Tbh it was amazing at first because I'd never done anything like it, but now it's just an endless uphill battle of balls. :'(

I made a reflective, shadowed sphere raytracer and also a shitty software renderer once. Bare minimum stuff (texture, coloured triangles).

3D coding is fun times. It's more of a way to waste time to me though.
Nerfington
Posted 01:29pm 02/5/11
In JS+Canvas?

I has plans for it. ;)
Spook
Posted 03:42pm 02/5/11
if there were any plugins worth using, id use them.

there arent.

chrome 4 lyfe
trog
Posted 03:51pm 02/5/11
Yeh I was totally happy in Chrome with no plugins; the ones I use in Firefox I can live without (except on the rare occasions I'm doing dev). What I can't live without though is the Firefox awesomebar, which dragged me back to Firefox after trying to use Chrome for two months or so.
Robbo
Posted 07:38pm 02/5/11
Nerfington
Posted 01:53am 03/5/11
Looks like I was wrong about FF not being able to match Chrome with runtime compiling :D, Inside Mozilla's New JavaScript JIT Compiler
Insom
Posted 02:49am 03/5/11
yeah dunno why chrome's address bar blows wangs compared to mozilla's

bit of a deal breaker
Thundercracker
Posted 09:21am 03/5/11
Looks like I was wrong about FF not being able to match Chrome with runtime compiling :D, Inside Mozilla's New JavaScript JIT Compiler


Very interesting.

Hey Nerf can you recommend any good javascript books? The only decent book I have found is JavaScript: The Good Parts. All the other books have been hopeless at explaining the more complex ins and outs of javascript.
3dee
Posted 12:17pm 03/5/11
Chrome's Omnibar blows wangs? Am I using some different version of Chrome or something?
Midda
Posted 12:27pm 03/5/11
Yeah, I vastly prefer the Omni bar in Chrome than the one in Firefox. The only thing I miss from Firefox is DownThemAll, but I rarely download big files through my browser anyway, so it isn't really an issue.
3dee
Posted 12:45pm 03/5/11
I dunno if Firefox has it already but in Chrome you can go to about:flags and enable (if supported) hardware acceleration.
Raven
Posted 12:57pm 03/5/11
Trog, I'd be interested to see similar line graphs over time to the ones you've posted, but overlayed as a percentage (or hits - something that has the same Y scale).
trog
Posted 10:53am 04/5/11
Remembered the other thing that Firefox removed to be more like Chrome - the RSS icon in the address bar. Why the fuck would they do that?!@# I don't care if noobs don't know what it is, it was utterly invaluable to me to have that accessible immediately with the visual cue that the site had an RSS feed!@# RAWR!@#

last edited by trog at 10:53:28 04/May/11
Nerfington
Posted 04:03pm 03/5/11
Hey Nerf can you recommend any good javascript books? The only decent book I have found is JavaScript: The Good Parts. All the other books have been hopeless at explaining the more complex ins and outs of javascript.

I'm mostly self-taught, I started out messing around with Google Web Toolkit (allows you to write "Java" code but it instead compiles it to JavaScript, with a few caveats), then started learning piece by piece from there for the sake of optimisation amd understanding pure JS examples.

For the most part my only interest in terms of pure JS has been speed. Mostly this has come down to understanding the effects of the scope on identifier resolution (here), and various tricks specific to rendering etc. There are various tricks I use in the way I loop through sets, and I've had amazing, though not entirely understood, results from trying to write my code in a way that allows operations to be done entirely on the CPU without accessing the comparatively slower RAM. (I stumbled across this accidentally when a test I was writing suddenly became several magnitudes faster, and looking into possible reasons I eventually came to the conclusion that the new method was able to work entirely within the CPU cache, but now can't quite remember how that worked despite working it into some foundations of my rendering algorithms :(. )

edit: My brain isn't alive enough to make a more coherent post right now sorry.
Insom
Posted 06:26pm 03/5/11
firefox's bar just seems more consistently able to find what I'm looking for in my history, bookmarks, etc

with chrome it is hit and miss, only has room for six results, and invariably wastes some of them with results that don't seem to belong there

i do like how it inlines google search suggestions though
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