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Post by Steve Farrelly @ 01:04pm 18/03/11 | 72 Comments
Joystiq reports that a rather uninteresting commitment by Warner Bros. wholly owned studios Rocksteady (Batman: Arkham City) and NetherRealm (Mortal Kombat) to Epic's Unreal Engine 3 until 2014, is a likely indication that that's when we'll enter the next-generation of console hardware.

They conclude this because Epic has also said Unreal 4 would be specifically, and "exclusively", targeted at next-gen consoles. So there's obviously a few years left in UE3, especially given the "Samaritan" video they debuted at GDC a few weeks back, and if anyone were in the know about the next generation of hardware, we'd back Epic.

Adding to the speculation, Square Enix also announced they're opening a new Canadian-based studio to focus solely on next-gen consoles from "Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo", alongside their Eidos Montreal Studio (Deus Ex: Human Revolution), which would open its doors next year.

2014 as an end-point for this generation in an of itself is pretty epic though, putting the Xbox 360, the first of this current generation of hardware, at a milestone of some nine years in active duty.












Latest Comments
Steve Farrelly
Posted 01:06pm 18/3/11
I know the PS2 broke a full 10 years, but that was with some cross-over with the ps3
Horizon
Posted 01:13pm 18/3/11
Excellent a few more years for the pc to continue to show how behind consoles are, BF3 will be the first of many titles to prove this.
Bikkies
Posted 01:18pm 18/3/11
Getting a bit long in the tooth. Would you even buy Crysis 2 on a console now?
The PC version makes me drool.
Pinky
Posted 01:41pm 18/3/11
Funny, Bikkies, it just about sent me to sleep.

We need a console software for PC to make easy for people to have a 'console' in their lounge. But it wouldn't generate the kind of profits that consoles do probably.
Jordan
Posted 01:44pm 18/3/11
As much as I love to play shooters on PC best , consoles will always have the edge in the market.
Consoles are just way more of a social machine eg kinect, ps move and thus WAY more fun with a few people over
Kf
Posted 01:44pm 18/3/11
What a joke, so we PC players will have to put up with subpar graphics and game ports for another 2.5 years or more? I think this will put another nail in the PC gaming industry and video card/cpu sales will drop off... after all if the port is done correctly even a GTX260 is enough at console resolutions.

Was really hoping for new console in 2012 at LATEST as this would mean better graphics and games which would push the PC a lot more (as console can run better graphics with the same GPU as there is no OS to load them down)
Martz
Posted 02:00pm 18/3/11
Kf, it might boost popularity in PC's due to the lush graphics it can and will increasingly continue to pump out. that is ofcourse developers design games for PC.
Enska
Posted 02:07pm 18/3/11
I think this will put another nail in the PC gaming industry and video card/cpu sales will drop off... after all if the port is done correctly even a GTX260 is enough at console resolutions.


from a consumers pov, I fail to see the bad side to being able to make your hardware last longer?
Khel
Posted 02:25pm 18/3/11
Wow, so many anti-console fanboys coming out of the woodwork to post in this thread. While they're still cranking out games as awesome looking (and awesome playing I would assume, based on previous iterations) as Uncharted 3, or Gears of War 3 I have no gripes with the current generation of consoles. Yeah, Battlefield 3 does look sexy, but its not like I'd be playing that on console anyway, so its win-win.
Thundercracker
Posted 02:27pm 18/3/11
This just means you won't have to upgrade your PC till 2014 ;)
Horizon
Posted 02:28pm 18/3/11
Thats relative, you can make your vid card last as long as you like by only playing games of similar vintage.

Im sick of games being restricted due to ports, BF3 graphics are long over due. News of this delay in a next gen is only a good thing, it will entice gamers who could afford a PC but opted for the "easier" and cheaper console option to revert back to a pc.
Dazhel
Posted 02:55pm 18/3/11
Wow, so many anti-console fanboys coming out of the woodwork to post in this thread.


Heh, I'm seeing anti-console fanboys whinge at console generation releases because PC gaming is dying, then whinge between console generation releases because PC gaming is coming back but it just doesn't look as pretty as it could.

If it looks so great and there's so much demand for the pinnacle of what PC graphics can provide then obviously there's a massive business opportunity to release PC exclusives and clean up. Either that or just a lot of hot air being expelled.
Enska
Posted 03:05pm 18/3/11
Thats relative, you can make your vid card last as long as you like by only playing games of similar vintage.


Bullshit.
That used to be the case, it no longer is.
Eorl
Posted 03:23pm 18/3/11
Does everyone realise that the PC market has actually grown by 20% this year alone? It's worth $16 billion at the moment. That is a shit load of money. And with Microsoft jumping back into the PC gaming market, I can only see it growing more. Everyone who claims the PC market is dying, are just being very naive.

Consoles are a great market for the game industry. But what developers need to realise is that when making cross-platform, you shouldn't simply focus on making just a console version, and then editing the game with a few PC tweaks. That leads to consolisation of games, where one side is lacking more then the other. I'm an advocate for all platforms, so don't think I'm just a PC fanboy.

Yes PC's can do more then consoles, but we need to come to terms with the fact that not everyone can spend a heap of money, so they turn to consoles. That is why they are popular. And also the ease of piracy for consoles, but that's another issue. Yet PC's are still hugely popular, especially with games that can cater to your average gamer all the way up to the more hardcore and tech savy gamers.
Eorl
Posted 03:54pm 18/3/11
Bullshit.
That used to be the case, it no longer is.

How so? With my 2x 5770's I can play anything currently available on extreme detail. I can play all the old games and all the new games. In a few years time, I can still play all the old games, and all the games that worked on my 5770. Games for PC don't really age that fast. Only the Crysis style games are pushing the limit. Everything else is comfortable to work on the ATI 5/6 gen, and the nVidia 400-600 gen.
Khel
Posted 04:03pm 18/3/11
Yes PC's can do more then consoles, but we need to come to terms with the fact that not everyone can spend a heap of money, so they turn to consoles.


I dunno, for me its nothing to do with money, its about the different gaming experiences they offer. I have a shit hot PC, and I play games on my PC, and I'll be playing BF3 on PC for sure, but I love my consoles too because they let me veg out on the lounge and relax with some gaming instead of sitting in my chair at my computer desk for the more "serious" type of gaming my PC offers. Both are great, just different.
Enska
Posted 04:03pm 18/3/11
you can make your vid card last as long as you like by ONLY playing games of similar vintage.


that's the bullshit. We're on the same team Eorl.
maRtz
Posted 04:36pm 18/3/11
Consoles are a great market for the game industry. But what developers need to realise is that when making cross-platform, you shouldn't simply focus on making just a console version, and then editing the game with a few PC tweaks. That leads to consolisation of games, where one side is lacking more then the other. I'm an advocate for all platforms, so don't think I'm just a PC fanboy.


if developers had to cater for both platforms (PC & Console) would that mean they would have to make the game twice? If so then I can understand why they just "tweak" a few things to make it work with PC's from a money making business point of view.
Horizon
Posted 05:25pm 18/3/11
Love it he loses an argument in logic so he resorts to "bullshit" as a response, thanks EORL for explaining it to him in detail.
paveway
Posted 05:34pm 18/3/11
I dunno, for me its nothing to do with money, its about the different gaming experiences they offer. I have a shit hot PC, and I play games on my PC, and I'll be playing BF3 on PC for sure, but I love my consoles too because they let me veg out on the lounge and relax with some gaming instead of sitting in my chair at my computer desk for the more "serious" type of gaming my PC offers. Both are great, just different.


+1
Fixah
Posted 05:49pm 18/3/11
Wow, so many anti-console fanboys coming out of the woodwork to post in this thread. While they're still cranking out games as awesome looking (and awesome playing I would assume, based on previous iterations) as Uncharted 3, or Gears of War 3 I have no gripes with the current generation of consoles. Yeah, Battlefield 3 does look sexy, but its not like I'd be playing that on console anyway, so its win-win.
Besides the 'not playing BF3 on console' bit (only because i cbf'd upgrading my PC) again I find myself agreeing with Khel on gaming related matters. Khelzor is a fuggen hero of the gaming world i tell ya.
Enska
Posted 05:52pm 18/3/11
Love it he loses an argument in logic so he resorts to "bullshit" as a response, thanks EORL for explaining it to him in detail.


sigh. My point is, smarty, that long gone are the days where we must upgrade every 12 months.
Relatively old hardware can still push current gen games at quite playable frames, not just vintage games.
is that a bit clearer?
Horizon
Posted 06:03pm 18/3/11
Yea the point was clear the first time, but thats a self fulfilling argument. You are saying that old hardware can play current gen games at decent frames, but THATS the point, the games are nerfed to play on the outdated console.

So of course can say "look at my mighty 360 it can run BC2 or BF3 etc after 9 years... stupid PCs [insert more fan boi comments here]", it doesnt matter if the console has stunted graphic and physics development....

PCs give the user the option to lower detail and play newer games without destroying future game development.
deadlyf
Posted 06:15pm 18/3/11
I dunno, for me its nothing to do with money, its about the different gaming experiences they offer. I have a shit hot PC, and I play games on my PC, and I'll be playing BF3 on PC for sure, but I love my consoles too because they let me veg out on the lounge and relax with some gaming instead of sitting in my chair at my computer desk for the more "serious" type of gaming my PC offers. Both are great, just different.


I tend to agree except that it's only racing and fighting games that I prefer to play on the console which aren't my favourite genres so it sits idle most of the time. I think though that the next generation in consoles isn't going to be about a graphics upgrade as people seem to be assuming in the thread so far.

There may come a time with the next gen that games on consoles are completely incompatible with PC's due to the new control methods. One of the things I find with gaming on the PC is it feels more intimate and immersive, possibly due to the closed space that is created between your chair, keyboard and monitor rather than a big open lounge room, I can't see myself jumping around like an idiot in front of my PC like people will in front of their TVs even if they do end up designing control peripherals for PCs.
Enska
Posted 06:19pm 18/3/11
PCs give the user the option to lower detail and play newer games


you seem to want to make an argument out of us both agreeing on the same thing. I don't think it works like that smarty.
Eorl
Posted 06:29pm 18/3/11
that's the bullshit. We're on the same team Eorl.

Ah sorry, didn't quite read the sentence properly :P
Hogfather
Posted 06:36pm 18/3/11
Dragon Age 2 got a PC-specific texture pack.

Expect more of the same, possibly as DLC, maybe even for extra bling %#@(
Fixah
Posted 06:43pm 18/3/11
Personally speaking, the only thing i'd play on PC is FPS and to a lesser extent strategy games. Everything else is on console. With my XIM3 for the 360 on the way there will be little need for me to play on PC anymore, even if the same games look better on PC. It's simply a much cheaper convenient option playing on my Console, but meh whatever works for you.
Eorl
Posted 06:51pm 18/3/11
RPG's don't work well on consoles. At least from my point of view :S
Fixah
Posted 06:53pm 18/3/11
Maybe, but i don't play them.
Sc00bs
Posted 07:04pm 18/3/11
its a shame they havent brought out as many ps3 tittles that i enjoyed as i would have liked. Looks like i might be heading towards the xbox next gen, purely because of the amount of games there are compared to ps3.

hopefully they change the controller beacuse i hate the xbox controller compared to the ps3.
Dan
Posted 09:34pm 18/3/11
I really hope Nintendo's is like the Okama Gamesphere. Also whatevs, ps3 controller licks balls compared to the x360.
skythra
Posted 11:02pm 18/3/11
I know the PS2 broke a full 10 years, but that was with some cross-over with the ps3

Japan still produces games for the PS2.

I bet they look awesome using PCSX2 to be honest.
Mr.Bumpy
Posted 11:48pm 18/3/11
Weren't games still being made for the N64 and Dreamcast in the last 5 years?
Mantorok
Posted 11:53pm 18/3/11
Weren't games still being made for the N64 and Dreamcast in the last 5 years?
Those are unlicensed games though. If you count unlicensed games, people still make unlicensed NES cartridges, like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_Kid:_Fortress_of_Peril
DeadlyDav0
Posted 11:56pm 18/3/11
Lol. Consoles. Press A to win.
skythra
Posted 11:57pm 18/3/11
What a joke, so we PC players will have to put up with subpar graphics and game ports for another 2.5 years or more? I think this will put another nail in the PC gaming industry and video card/cpu sales will drop off... after all if the port is done correctly even a GTX260 is enough at console resolutions.Was really hoping for new console in 2012 at LATEST as this would mean better graphics and games which would push the PC a lot more (as console can run better graphics with the same GPU as there is no OS to load them down)

oposite imo.

It's the lul in consoles which allowed PC's to boom.
Fixah
Posted 12:23am 19/3/11
Lol. Consoles. Press A to win.
haha, that got a laugh out of me.
Hogfather
Posted 12:42am 19/3/11
PCs are only best for strategy, rts, fps, sims, mmo, adventure and dungeon crawlers like diablo...



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Superform
Posted 12:42am 19/3/11
the thing is everyone is basing there idea of a next gen console on what has gone before..

i hope that console makers push the limits of consoles to make them more like central entertainment/communication hubs

also we are getting to a point where super nice graphics dont need to push new pc's like they used too
skythra
Posted 01:01am 19/3/11
i hope that console makers push the limits of consoles to make them more like central entertainment/communication hubs

Ok, what was the ps3 again?
Jordan
Posted 01:08am 19/3/11
Eorl
Posted 06:51pm 18/3/11
RPG's don't work well on consoles. At least from my point of view :S


the opposite is usually true , Final Fantasy games are a testament to this
Superform
Posted 01:09am 19/3/11
o yeah i hope you dont want a response cause i have nfi about consoles.. all i know is games look better on PC and i can do more with my pc..

once you make a console more like a pc i'll be interested
skythra
Posted 07:28am 19/3/11
Bullshit.
That used to be the case, it no longer is.

Also my 9800gx2's still play every game i throw at it. Most current gen single cards don't beat the performance by much, just quieter, less power consuming and much higher vram.

But the cost of all that doesn't add up to being worthwhile. I'll stick to the 9800GX2 thanks.

Sure not everything plays at max, but everything plays better than the 360. So.
Thundercracker
Posted 09:24am 19/3/11
You all need to man up and purchase both a gaming PC and a console.
deadlyf
Posted 10:52am 19/3/11
the opposite is usually true , Final Fantasy games are a testament to this

You're either trolling or special needs.
Hogfather
Posted 11:06am 19/3/11
To be fair Zelda is awesome though, and its console only.

I'd still prefer it on a PC (mkb control for his bow would rock)
Eorl
Posted 11:32am 19/3/11
Look, to be fair, PC's have come full circle now, and the biggest and most frequent upgrade you do now is the GPU. And even then, GPU's last 2-4 years or more. My friend is still using the nVidia 8600 XT and that's like 6 years old or something. And he ran DA2 and the new Shogun all on high.

Consoles are what fill the gap for home entertainment. You can't pull out your PC and plug it in ready to play 4 player with friends. That is what consoles are essentially made for. To plug into a TV and enjoy with friends. I don't consider them on the same platform as PC's because PC's are a multi-use component. Gaming just became more apparent in the last decade or so due to MUD's and Doom/Quake.

I don't know why everyone gets so defencesive with Console vs PC's. They do different things, and we can clearly see that. So who cares? You have a PC, cool. Do you enjoy it? Yeah? Good, then keep playing it. Do you have a console? Do you enjoy it? Yeah? Good, then keep playing it. If you have both, then win win for you.
paveway
Posted 11:40am 19/3/11
Personally speaking, the only thing i'd play on PC is FPS and to a lesser extent strategy games


yep pretty much the same for me, but RTS games can be done really well like RUSE has very slick controls for console. some people whinged but they're by far the best strat controls on consoles so far. if you have ps-move it's meant to be pretty good too

i've been considering getting ps-move for resident evil 5 and ruse

i'll be getting arkham city for the ps3

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DeadlyDav0
Posted 03:17pm 19/3/11
Personally speaking, the only thing i'd play on PC is FPS and to a lesser extent strategy games

Fuck no, im the complete opposite. PC for everything here. I enjoy arcade racing games using keyboard and i have a crappy logitech PS2 style controller for sports games and street fighter. My only regret in not having a console is missing out on certain console-only games but i cant justify the price of a console for only a few titles considering i have a tonne of cheap steam games and my collection keeps getting bigger from all their awesome sales.
Jayman
Posted 05:17pm 19/3/11
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2011/03/16/farewell-to-directx/1

Good article on how PC's have to use api's to support a wide range of hardware vs consoles which can be programmed directly for the specific hardware, and how much that's slows PC's down compared to consoles.

Some quotes:

'It's funny,' says AMD's worldwide developer relations manager of its GPU division, Richard Huddy. 'We often have at least ten times as much horsepower as an Xbox 360 or a PS3 in a high-end graphics card, yet it's very clear that the games don't look ten times as good. To a significant extent, that's because, one way or another, for good reasons and bad - mostly good, DirectX is getting in the way.' Huddy says that one of the most common requests he gets from game developers is: 'Make the API go away.'


On consoles, you can draw maybe 10,000 or 20,000 chunks of geometry in a frame, and you can do that at 30-60fps. On a PC, you can't typically draw more than 2-3,000 without getting into trouble with performance, and that's quite surprising - the PC can actually show you only a tenth of the performance if you need a separate batch for each draw call.


It's kind of ironic that it's the PC industry that's pushing us forward with AMD and Intel trying to out do each other, but that cutting edge potential can't truly be realised on a PC like it could on a console due to having to support such a wide range of hardware.
Eorl
Posted 02:10am 20/3/11
I agree and disagree jayman. The api is indeed slowing development down, but at the same time its easily fixed by just making something accessible to all system configurations. I found when making my first game, that in order to make it work properly, you need to make it use less resources, and have a art style that makes it look good.

You see the newer batch of titles coming out that are easily making use of all the different configurations that a pc can handle. And I'm noticing hardware is becoming less of a jump compared to 5 years ago where every 6 months you felt very behind.

If this makes no sense, its cause I'm slightly drunk :S
Khel
Posted 02:31am 20/3/11
I think its bullshit saying that the DirectX API is somehow holding development back, it'd be almost impossible to make a game without an API like DirectX providing an abstraction layer between your code and the hardware. Yes, its true that consoles can be leaner and meaner and you can optimise the shit out of the code you're writing because you know EXACTLY the hardware its going to be used on, but DirectX is nothing but a good thing and I don't know where AMD found these developers who whinge and moan about the API and want it gone, but they're fucking idiots if they do, because the alternative is far worse.
trillion
Posted 02:37am 20/3/11
yeah I agree with Khel

who the heck calls a poly a 'chunk of geometry' anyway?

makes no sense and is non factual
WetWired
Posted 10:33am 20/3/11
I don't even know what he means by chunks, i cant imagine he means polys as 20 to 30k is nothing to a console. Last game I worked on was upward of 300k and even the current game is 60k in 3D at 60fps
paveway
Posted 10:43am 20/3/11
Fuck no, im the complete opposite. PC for everything here. I enjoy arcade racing games using keyboard and i have a crappy logitech PS2 style controller for sports games and street fighter. My only regret in not having a console is missing out on certain console-only games but i cant justify the price of a console for only a few titles considering i have a tonne of cheap steam games and my collection keeps getting bigger from all their awesome sales.


for your types it's a case of adapt or die really, consoles aren't going anywhere and they're only going to get bigger
Hogfather
Posted 10:50am 20/3/11
for your types it's a case of adapt or die really, consoles aren't going anywhere and they're only going to get bigger

Consoles and desktop computers have shared the gaming space since the c64 and Atari 2600 were king. This isn't going to change, and neither are the ancient console vs PC wars.
DeadlyDav0
Posted 11:11am 20/3/11
for your types it's a case of adapt or die really, consoles aren't going anywhere and they're only going to get bigger

GTFO. Although PC games do seem to be getting weaker with all the crappy console ports, there will always be a significant share of the market dedicated towards quality PC games like shooters, strategy, RTS, RPG etc that i doubt could ever die off to console only.

I wasnt saying im anti-console, just that i only play PC and dont see that changing any time soon given my situation. If i had plenty of cash, i would have all consoles and all console exclusive games but thats not the case.
deadlyf
Posted 11:51am 20/3/11
Consoles and desktop computers have shared the gaming space since the c64 and Atari 2600 were king. This isn't going to change, and neither are the ancient console vs PC wars.
See I'm not so sure about that. We certainly still see plenty of ports at the moment but that's because gaming between PC's and consoles are compatible for the majority of titles. In 3 years from now will we be able to say the same with current motion controls having matured and the next generation likely coming out with something more refined?

3 years is a long time in technology terms, the next-gen consoles are going to be 3D in all likelihood, with motion controls straight off the bat. There is even the possibility that they will incorporate other features like AR and voice control/recognition. To think that they will be driven in any way simply by the need for a graphics update and that gaming between PC's and consoles will remain compatible is short sighted.
Eorl
Posted 01:12pm 20/3/11
I don't ever see PC gaming dying. It's just too big of a platform, and as I said, raking in the billions. And with all the big names jumping back into full PC support, I can only see gaming growing for PC titles and their support.

As Deadly said, consoles will most likely do the big jump to 3D, and so the difference between PC and console will no longer full exist. You can still have non-3D titles being made for all platforms, but I doubt 3D will be anything but a niche on PC's. So you'll probably see in the next generation of consoles, games being made on PC first, then being ported to console and adding native support + 3D or whatever nifty feature they have.
Hogfather
Posted 01:21pm 20/3/11
See I'm not so sure about that. We certainly still see plenty of ports at the moment but that's because gaming between PC's and consoles are compatible for the majority of titles. In 3 years from now will we be able to say the same with current motion controls having matured and the next generation likely coming out with something more refined?

Some titles will not be cross-compatible for lots of reasons but its always been that way. The recent porting between platforms is relatively new, and the viability of any of the platforms isn't contingent on it.
3 years is a long time in technology terms, the next-gen consoles are going to be 3D in all likelihood, with motion controls straight off the bat. There is even the possibility that they will incorporate other features like AR and voice control/recognition. To think that they will be driven in any way simply by the need for a graphics update and that gaming between PC's and consoles will remain compatible is short sighted.

I think its a long, long bow to draw to say that because consoles are going in a certain direction that it will mean anything for PC. I'll see you in 3 years and I am very comfy asserting that PC gaming and consoles will both still be first-class gaming platforms offering their own distinct experience.
skythra
Posted 01:33pm 20/3/11
Fuck no, im the complete opposite. PC for everything here. I enjoy arcade racing games using keyboard and i have a crappy logitech PS2 style controller for sports games and street fighter. My only regret in not having a console is missing out on certain console-only games but i cant justify the price of a console for only a few titles considering i have a tonne of cheap steam games and my collection keeps getting bigger from all their awesome sales.

My console died. With my xbox controller for my PC though any console games that are for the PC play on my tv exactly the same, with the same controller, and microsofts decent support of its own hardware natually swaps into the right layout for it.

It just means gaming on the PC is exactly the same as the console. Also it looks better. Turning up the draw distances and lighting effects that aren't just "BLOOM" is nice. Not to mention full proper 1080p. Which is what i spent my money on the TV for in the first place.
trillion
Posted 02:04pm 20/3/11
well of course it's better on a pc. it's all made on a pc to begin with and then shaped to the target consoles for whatever hardware or business reason

Alan Wake looked much better when they were showing the physics in the game on a higher powered gpu than what the ATI gpu in the xbox exclusive ended up being able to cope with
deadlyf
Posted 03:47pm 20/3/11
I think its a long, long bow to draw to say that because consoles are going in a certain direction that it will mean anything for PC. I'll see you in 3 years and I am very comfy asserting that PC gaming and consoles will both still be first-class gaming platforms offering their own distinct experience.

What are you talking about? It's clearly not what I am talking about. Nothing will change with PC's because motion controls don't work well when sitting down 2 feet from your monitor. I'm saying that games for the next generation of consoles are likely to all be motion control/sensing based which means that directly comparing PC games to console games will no longer be practical just like directly comparing the games on your phone to your Xbox is not practical. You can port a console game because the controller can be converted to a keyboard mouse reasonably well, you can't do the same with motion controls and if we no longer have game ports then we no longer have a basis for comparison.
Khel
Posted 05:08pm 20/3/11
I don't think PC gaming is going to go away or die, but I do think its going to become an increasingly niche thing. The market for consoles is always growing, I mean with the Wii Nintendo sold a console to my parents while I have trouble even getting them to use a laptop to check their email.

Kids who are growing up now aren't going to be getting into PC gaming either, they're going to be gaming on consoles. I have no empirical data to back this up, its just a gut feeling, but its borne out by observation. Theres a lot of younger people in the guild I play WoW with, from 14-15 year olds up to 18-19 year olds and many of them identify themselves as gamers, they play games like Fallout, Call of Duty, Battlefield, but they all play them on consoles. And to them its not even a console vs PC thing, its just the status quo. The only things they do with their PC are WoW and facebook and some of them have pretty shit PCs but have no interest in upgrading them, cos it plays WoW fine. In fact one guy just recently quit WoW and sold his PC for some extra cash, didn't bother him in the least cos he plays everything else on his 360.

Don't get me wrong, this isn't some pro console, anti-PC rant, I love all flavours of gaming and they'll have to pry my mouse and my controller from my cold dead hands. I don't think PC gaming is dying, I just don't think its growing either.
Eorl
Posted 09:56am 21/3/11
Don't get me wrong, this isn't some pro console, anti-PC rant, I love all flavours of gaming and they'll have to pry my mouse and my controller from my cold dead hands. I don't think PC gaming is dying, I just don't think its growing either.

Technically it is growing, it grew 20% last year alone to $16 billion. So it is growing, but I know what your saying.
Khel
Posted 05:42pm 21/3/11
Really? Have you got a source for that? I'm not doubting you, I just find that pretty interesting, I wouldn't have thought it would grow that much.

Edit: Never mind, I found it, thats interesting. Its just going by software sales though, and attributes the growth to digital distribution which makes sense, I buy a lot more games now on Steam than I probably would if I had to go into stores and buy them. I wonder if those figures include things like facebook games, cos I bet those are raking in the cash.

I'd be interested to see some stats on the install base for PC gaming, but I guess that would be hard to do, its not like with a console where you can just find out how many have been sold. Cos I still think even if revenue is increasing, the number of people playing probably isn't, but thats just my gut feeling, and I could be totally wrong.
Superform
Posted 08:58pm 21/3/11
digital distribution works.. get on board.. one day the movie/tv companies will get on board too
Khel
Posted 09:51pm 21/3/11
Yeah, digital distribution is the epic win. I've discovered so many cool games I probably wouldn't have otherwise played, just cos I picked them up in deals or special offers on Steam.
Eorl
Posted 10:34pm 21/3/11
Really? Have you got a source for that? I'm not doubting you, I just find that pretty interesting, I wouldn't have thought it would grow that much.

Edit: Never mind, I found it, thats interesting. Its just going by software sales though, and attributes the growth to digital distribution which makes sense, I buy a lot more games now on Steam than I probably would if I had to go into stores and buy them. I wonder if those figures include things like facebook games, cos I bet those are raking in the cash.

I'd be interested to see some stats on the install base for PC gaming, but I guess that would be hard to do, its not like with a console where you can just find out how many have been sold. Cos I still think even if revenue is increasing, the number of people playing probably isn't, but thats just my gut feeling, and I could be totally wrong.

Yeah it's very interesting to see how big it is compared to console market. And with Steam being a good 60-70% margin, it's just crazy cool.
skythra
Posted 02:59am 22/3/11
Yeah it's very interesting to see how big it is compared to console market. And with Steam being a good 60-70% margin, it's just crazy cool.

We should probably thank steam for once being a steaming pile of crap and then somewhere suddenly becoming my favourite friend. If steam was a woman, i'd get things a bit steamy.
Eorl
Posted 10:16am 22/3/11
We should probably thank steam for once being a steaming pile of crap and then somewhere suddenly becoming my favourite friend. If steam was a woman, i'd get things a bit steamy.

Haha, I remember the old days of Steam. That green colour is forever embedded into my mind.
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