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Post by Dan @ 04:38pm 25/02/11 | 92 Comments
Duke Nukem Forever might have made it through unscathed, but it looks like Warner Bros is having a little more trouble with the latest revamp of Mortal Kombat as the game has been rated Refused Classification by the Australian Classifications Board.

Unfortunately it looks like the game's staple "Fatality" finishing moves are the culprit in this instance and the official report (which the folks at Gamepron have gotten a hold of) describes several in detail:
Examples include but are not limited to:
  • Kung Lao throws his metal hat into the ground and it spins like a buzz saw. He grabs his prone opponent by the ankles and drags their body through the saw, explicitly slicing them vertically in half. Copious bloodspray is noted. Kung Lao then holds up both halves of the corpse as blood pours out.
  • Jade explicitly kicks an opponent into the air and plants her fighting stick into the ground. The opponent falls backwards onto the stick and is explicitly impaled, with the stick protruding from their chest. Jade then explicitly tears her opponent's head off, with bloodspray noted, and explicitly plants it on the stick.
  • Stryker tasers his opponent and then explicitly shoots their head off with his gun. Blood and gore is noted.
  • Quan Chi explicitly rips his opponent's leg off, accompanied by copious bloodspray. As they lie on the ground, he explicitly beats them with the severed leg for a prolonged period of time.
  • Scorpion explicitly slashes an opponent horizontally in two at the waist, with blood and wound detail noted. He then explicitly decapitates them and kicks their body over. As the severed head falls through the air, he explicitly slices it vertically in two.
  • Mileena throws two blades at an opponent, which explicitly lodge in their chest. She slowly approaches and explicitly rips their head off, causing their severed neck to spray blood as their body topples. She then explicitly bites into the severed head before throwing it to the ground.
  • Kabal uses long hooks to explicitly pull out an opponent's Intestines before explicitly impaling the opponent on two spikes.
  • Shao Kahn uses his hands to explicitly rip an opponent's body vertically in two.
  • Baraka explicitly lodges a blade (attached to his wrist) in an opponent's stomach and hoists them above his head. He spins them round and explicitly decapitates and dismembers them, accompanied by copious bloodspray.
  • Kitana uses her 'folding fan' weapon to explicitly dismember then decapitate her opponent, with copious blood flow noted.
The game includes over 60 fatalities (some of which are noted above) which contain explicit depictions of dismemberment, decapitation, disembowelment and other brutal forms of slaughter. Despite the exaggerated conceptual nature of the fatalities and their context within a fighting game set in a fantasy realm, impact is heightened by the use of graphics which are realistically rendered and very detailed. In the opinion of the Board, the game contains violence that exceeds strong in impact and is unsuitable for a minor to see or play. The game should therefore be Refused Classification pursuant to item 1(d) of the computer games table of the National Classification Code.
Mortal Kombat titles have not previously had any trouble scraping in under Australia's MA15+ bar so it begs the question: have NetherRealm amped up the gore with this one, or is graphic-fidelity just getting to a point where the realism achieved in video-games now makes it cross the line?

When Left 4 Dead was refused classification last year, a censored version was resubmitted and passed, whereas Aliens vs Predator proceeded unedited due to a resubmission adding more context to its gore (think: it's space aliens, not real). So it will be interesting to see what Warner's response will be for Mortal Kombat. Whatever the outcome, a high-profile game with a heritage such a as this will no doubt once again re-ignite the push to an R18+ rating for video games in Australia.



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Latest Comments
Hogfather
Posted 04:58pm 25/2/11
Dan, is there some reason why you tend to kill existing discussions yet trog generally promotes them or locks his own thread and links to the existing discussion?

Its HEAPS FRUSTRATING not being able to respond to the old thread properly because you wanted to make a news item and didn't beat the OP to the forum.
Dan
Posted 05:05pm 25/2/11
We generally only promote threads when there is a reasonable amount of information provided in the OP. The existing thread had very little info in itself and would have required a complete re-write to promote. I agree it's not the best way to do things, but we kind of lack a better way to link news comments and forum discussion at the moment.
teq
Posted 05:09pm 25/2/11
oh noes, I'll have to buy it overseas at a much reduced rate with full gore

LOLz @ trying to stop progress
ravn0s
Posted 05:16pm 25/2/11
need to be able merge threads imo

i wonder if they will appeal the rating or just edit it and resubmit.

last edited by ravn0s at 17:16:08 25/Feb/11
MoSFXx
Posted 05:28pm 25/2/11
Mileena throws two blades at an opponent, which explicitly lodge in their chest. She slowly approaches and explicitly rips their head off, causing their severed neck to spray blood as their body topples. She then explicitly bites into the severed head before throwing it to the ground.

ROFL.
BillyHardball
Posted 05:29pm 25/2/11
Does a lack of R18+ have knock on effects that causes losses for Australian game retailers (because people shop overseas instead)?
shrapse
Posted 05:31pm 25/2/11
I now explicitly dislike the word explicitly.. gah!
ravn0s
Posted 05:33pm 25/2/11
I now explicitly dislike the word explicitly.. gah!


i still like it if it has the word sexual after it.
Dan
Posted 05:35pm 25/2/11
Does a lack of R18+ have knock on effects that causes losses for Australian game retailers (because people shop overseas instead)?
It would, but not significantly. because most games that have ended up RC'd have frankly not been very good games.

If Black Ops had have been RC'd, for example, I'm sure there would have been some kind of retailer uproar. But all those big high-profile games, as inappropriate for children as many of them are, slip in under MA15+ and so local retailers have no problems.
Trauma
Posted 05:38pm 25/2/11
Not real surprised at this, under the current s*** system MK clearly deserves this rating. Not that I care, even if it were on PC I'd still get it.
Joe
Posted 07:04pm 25/2/11
This is EFFING ridiculous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Reality
Posted 07:29pm 25/2/11
the game contains violence that exceeds strong in impact and is unsuitable for a minor to see or play. The game should therefore be Refused Classification


*bangs head against table*
trillion
Posted 07:32pm 25/2/11
i cant see why theres such a fuss about this other than by mongos or people who have weird problems with government media protection

if youve never bought something online youre not really doing it right anyway, just hit fixah up they'll raid his place if the order goes wrong :)
sleepy
Posted 07:33pm 25/2/11
This is EFFING ridiculous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



you can say F*****G RIDICULOUS... its cool...
Hogfather
Posted 07:36pm 25/2/11
We generally only promote threads when there is a reasonable amount of information provided in the OP. The existing thread had very little info in itself and would have required a complete re-write to promote. I agree it's not the best way to do things, but we kind of lack a better way to link news comments and forum discussion at the moment.

I understand - but this thread is a complete rewrite!

Just obliterate the OPs post with whatever you want and promote that, or migrate the replies to the new post? Surely the SQL magic for that would take 5 mins tops to implement?
trillion
Posted 07:40pm 25/2/11
voting +1 that hoggy writes the SQL enhance, enhance, enhance plugin for the archaic Triumph engine

also needs Sidetalk or Noise as a catchall filter for irrelevant to OP posts that go in but still have an abstract relevance to the thread as a whole

just an idea seeing some things that have been nuked
Darkhawk
Posted 07:42pm 25/2/11
It's obvious why it didn't get through as MA15+ this time, the board makes decisions on a whim ignoring precedents from previous board decisions and just happened to have a more sensitive group of reviewers for this game. R18+ is going to happen, it's just unfortunate that Aussie retailers are again going to lose business to overseas outlets because of the dithering by the Attourneys General on this issue.

Hopefully the producers of this game just leave it as it is so when the decision is made at the July SCAG they can at least make some half-decent sales in Australia with a delayed release.
groganus
Posted 07:53pm 25/2/11
This is great news, now i just need to work out which version to import.
The one with the scorpion/sub zero book ends
Or
The one with the arcade joystick thingo...

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Raven
Posted 08:01pm 25/2/11
It's neither - the people classifying games are just now hired only if they match a conservative agenda. They could classify th same 20 year old games, and end up with them being refused.
HurricaneJim
Posted 08:01pm 25/2/11
you can say F*****G RIDICULOUS... its cool...


Well Ausgamers is much like the Australian Classifications Board. You can write f***, c***, c*** sucker, vertical smile and the like you can even write Jew in an ant-semetic way but they'll delete your post if you write "g***s in the wire" as it is inappropriate content.
Fixah
Posted 11:59pm 25/2/11
I thought i'd mention it in this thread since the last one got locked:

I was thinking about organising an import of this game through my contact. Yet to have any details but if there's enough interest perhaps i can get a special QGL deal going:

Interest expressed so far:

Sc00bs (PS3)
Paveway- PS3
Slinky - PS3
Tspec - PS3 (collectors edition)
Martz (PS3)

Once i have more details i might create a separate thread. Let me know if you're interested in a collector's editions too.
Martz
Posted 09:11pm 25/2/11
fixah add me for PS3...
Bah
Posted 09:16pm 25/2/11
Its one thing to import one for yourself, but importing and selling them to other people?(even if its at your cost price)
paveway
Posted 09:30pm 25/2/11
it's just a group buy

if it's going to be illegal it would be to import it at all full stop
Bah
Posted 09:56pm 25/2/11
Whatever you want to call it, i wouldn't pay in advance.
Martz
Posted 10:44pm 25/2/11
The existing thread had very little info in itself and would have required a complete re-write to promote.


why didn't you do just that? You wrote an entire OP, could have just edited the OP in original thread.
Sc00bs
Posted 11:28pm 25/2/11
ps3 brothah
Fixah
Posted 12:11am 26/2/11
Whatever you want to call it, i wouldn't pay in advance.
Yep I can understand that. I too need to make sure that people commit to their purchase so there's going to have to be some trust in the process. I'll make it as transparent as possible and give people my personal details before any money gets exchanged. If you have any other suggestions on payment options then we can discuss that too. It's jumping the gun a bit at this stage but when I prove myself to be trustworthy then i'll be happy to expand on that to provide more of the same service when my website goes up.
Bah
Posted 12:11am 26/2/11
I wasn't suggesting you were dodgy, i was suggesting that customs might be more likely to take a bunch of RC material and destroy it, leaving everyone out of pocket.

(although you are as dodgy as they come)
Fixah
Posted 12:14am 26/2/11
As far as i'm aware there *should* be no issues with customs but I'll definitely look into it and find out what the go is, whether we're going to be doing this group by or not.
Martz
Posted 01:27am 26/2/11
ummm isn't it illegal to import banned stuff? might get fines or some s***
Fasty
Posted 01:34am 26/2/11
I'm glad the board are doing their job by saying this title is beyond an MA15+ audience, but can we PLEASE have our R rating now? Thanks.
Khel
Posted 08:47am 26/2/11
Anyone have a good place to import the special edition from? ozgameshop and game.co.uk only have the game, not the special editions with the bookends or the joystick.
groganus
Posted 08:59am 26/2/11
The game is not Banned.. its Refused Classification.

The sale of a game that is RC within the country is illegal, to own it however is not.
To import it for personal use is not.
To do a group buy of more then 1 copy probably is a grey line. (purely from the perspective that if customs opened the package and saw more then one copy they would probably think "this dude is going to sell it")
Khel
Posted 10:47am 26/2/11
After a bit of googling and digging around, it doesn't look like theres even a PAL version of either of the special editions, pretty gay :(

Found heaps of places to pre-order NTSC versions of the "Kollectors" edition and the Tournament edition, but not PAL versions.
Martz
Posted 11:09am 26/2/11
The sale of a game that is RC within the country is illegal, to own it however is not.
To import it for personal use is not.


got some sauce for that??
Khel
Posted 11:53am 26/2/11
So it seems there IS a pal version of the kollectors edition, but nowhere is really doing pre-orders for it yet, and its completely different to the other two editions.

groganus
Posted 03:18pm 26/2/11
got some sauce for that??


Not on hand, and i really cbf googling, but this came up when gta:SA got reclassified (due to the hot coffee) and RC'd but you could still own it. Then rockstar produced a version with out the hot coffee crap in it and it passed.
DavidBrookes
Posted 06:29pm 26/2/11
Where would be the best site to order the PAL collector's edition for Xbox 360?
parabol
Posted 07:02pm 26/2/11
Guess it's better being banned than censored ...

DeadlyDav0
Posted 10:17pm 26/2/11
The game is not Banned.. its Refused Classification.
The sale of a game that is RC within the country is illegal, to own it however is not.
To import it for personal use is not.

I assume that is correct cause its a similar story with certain vitamin/herbal type supplements. There are a few foreign made supplements (often gym supplements or even melatonin for sleeping) that are not allowed to be sold in Australia (this is often due to the company not deciding to pay the massive registration fee to sell in Aus if i remember right). However, you can import them for personal use but its illegal to import them for sale.
thermite
Posted 10:25pm 26/2/11
But if one person is importing it and giving it out to other people in return for money, it could be twisted in court as selling it?
DeadlyDav0
Posted 10:34pm 26/2/11
But if one person is importing it and giving it out to other people in return for money, it could be twisted in court as selling it?

Selling for profit, sure. Selling @ non-profit price, interesting concept. I would hope that customs and the justice system has more important things to do than bust some guy and his friends for going sharesies in a box of games.
Fixah
Posted 11:19pm 26/2/11
How are customs going to prove that the product is going to be sold for a profit?
DeadlyDav0
Posted 11:22pm 26/2/11
How are customs going to prove that the product is going to be sold for a profit?

Based on QTY and assumptions.
Reverend Evil
Posted 11:25pm 26/2/11
ROFL at that CS vid

That is f*****g hilarious if it's true
Bah
Posted 11:29pm 26/2/11
Selling for profit, sure. Selling @ non-profit price, interesting concept. I would hope that customs and the justice system has more important things to do than bust some guy and his friends for going sharesies in a box of games.

Firstly, they'll just destroy the games if they find them in customs.
Secondly didn't they just prosecute some guy for a gay zombie movie? Similar thing.
Thirdly
it could be twisted in court as selling it?
Exchanging goods for money is the definition of selling, whether you make a profit or loss or break even.
Fixah
Posted 11:35pm 26/2/11
is there a certain quantity or is it up the their discretion? there's gotta be a website or something that details this sort of stuff pertaining to RC videogames.
Khel
Posted 01:03am 27/2/11
I guess the other problem with doing a big order is paying import duties. I dunno the details, but if it goes over a certain amount (like say $1000) don't you end up paying a big customs tax?
Khel
Posted 01:06am 27/2/11
Where would be the best site to order the PAL collector's edition for Xbox 360?


Dunno, I'm yet to even find a place I can order it from, if you find one let me know.
Eorl
Posted 10:09am 27/2/11
Just get it from ozgames. Do you really need the collectors edition?

Anyways, is this even going to remember 3 weeks down the track after it's release? I know it's Mortal Kombat and all, but did they need to go that hardcore with the gore? I'm all for R18+, but there has to be a limit even on that rating where it gets to the point that too much gore is just stupid and lacking of a real gameplay reason.
implode
Posted 10:47am 27/2/11
So where can I order a pal version of this game online?

Any recommendations?
Khel
Posted 12:01pm 27/2/11
Just get it from ozgames. Do you really need the collectors edition?


There isn't really many games I bother with collector's editions for anymore, but MK is something special, its like the game that defined my high school years :P And this is looking like the version of MK I have been waiting for since MK3, so I want all the special stuff I can lay my hands on.
implode
Posted 12:23pm 27/2/11
I dont really mind if I cant get the collectors edition. I would buy it if it was available here because I have been waiting a loooong time for another MK game like this.

Nothing will stop me getting my hands on it...
Khel
Posted 12:56pm 27/2/11
If you want just the game, get it from http://www.ozgameshop.com

Thats where I import all my games from these days
Pinky
Posted 09:04pm 28/2/11
tspec
Posted 09:16pm 28/2/11
Saw that on Kotaku earlier today. Good stuff.
trillion
Posted 09:23pm 28/2/11
clearly the ratings board is decided and i dont think it really matters otherwise, this game should have been kept in the arcade machines in places that have those curtains to stop people walking past seeing whatevers going on inside. with gaming on consoles all pushed to the home endpoints now if i were a parent and didnt know what was going on i wouldnt want my kids to be able to decide they enjoy a game like this either.

its the developer wanting to make a quick buck off of frenzied fans of the game the easiest way they can. are ratings boards even open to be lobbied on such a sensible decision anyway? probably not hey

funny photoshop though
Khel
Posted 09:58pm 28/2/11
i wouldnt want my kids to be able to decide they enjoy a game like this either


Thats why you should be a more responsible parent and not just let your kids do or play whatever they want.
paveway
Posted 10:02pm 28/2/11
gosh you sound like an interesting guy trillion
trillion
Posted 10:20pm 28/2/11
gosh you sound like an interesting guy trillion


lol dry sarcasm is nice and dry

it's what they must be thinking when they put something like this down though, biker gangs probably want guns too so it makes their job of ganging easier but you don't see the government relaxing on the registered firearms laws do you

also what cool factor would Horatio have left if they one up that show with their CSI crunch cam copy?
RUSTA
Posted 12:39am 01/3/11
If you want just the game, get it from http://www.ozgameshop.com


They are no longer selling it (maybe a australian registered business?) but just get it through their sister site http://www.365games.co.uk/

last edited by RUSTA at 00:39:56 01/Mar/11
Fixah
Posted 02:32pm 02/3/11
Just a quick update about the issue of importing RC games in Australia:

I just got off the phone with one of the members of the Classification Board (apparently) and I was told that it is illegal to import an RC game in Australia period, whether it's for personal use or what not. I was like really!? She told me that people who can be granted permission to import RC games are academics and police who are conducting investigations, but definitely not for personal use and certainly not for a group buy or any other type of reselling. She also said Mortal Kombat's classification will be reviewed soon so things may change.

She seemed a bit rushed and a little abrupt but firm in her answers. I had no idea about RC game for personal use being illegal, unless she had no idea what she was talking about. Take it for what it is or with a grain of salt. What would women know about fighting games anyway huh :p

But yeah for the time being, there goes that idea. For those expressed interest sorry fellas :(
paveway
Posted 02:29pm 02/3/11
i dunno

would you really expect them to say even if it was legal 'yeah sure, we've gone to the trouble of knocking it back but go ahead and import it anyway'
Fixah
Posted 02:45pm 02/3/11
Yeah I know but I need to get an official straight answer before I take other people's money. I've been importing games but non have been RC'd ones. There's just too much wishy washy vague info out there and this seems the most official thus far. From the information i've gathered it seems too risky, unless someone else can get reliable information from another source.

Need to find someone who works in customs (and i don't mean to bribe them), but to get answers from the people on the floor who physically deal with the s***.
`ViPER`
Posted 02:44pm 02/3/11
Its funny that people think that classification of Video games is even an issue now with the internet.

OHHH, its banned in Australia.

Connect to VPN, purchase game.

Done.


Just to clarify, we still need an R18 rating because far too many games get rated MA15 that should be R18, and without the R18 rating we get this stupid situation of games being RC, which has no practical ramifications for people that actually want to buy the game,
Fixah
Posted 02:54pm 02/3/11
Its funny that people think that classification of Video games is even an issue now with the internet.

OHHH, its banned in Australia.

Connect to VPN, purchase game.
For PC games yes, not for console (yet). Besides, MK is a console game best played on a console. That's what we're dealing with.
Khel
Posted 03:31pm 02/3/11
I've imported RC'd games before, I imported the RC'd version of SIlent Hill: Homecoming and it got through customs with no dramas. Of course, if you're doing a group buy, and you've got a big package with like 10 copies of the game, it might draw a bit more attention.
Fixah
Posted 03:56pm 02/3/11
Yep and that's what i'm talking about, that "more attention". What is that? what does that mean? what are the consequences, if any? It's all up in the air.

Also I just managed to get a contact in Customs through a friend. I'll see where this takes me.
paveway
Posted 03:57pm 02/3/11
probably to a jail cell lolz
Fixah
Posted 04:08pm 02/3/11
haha.
thermite
Posted 04:14pm 02/3/11
The irony is that, in the end, the game fell victim to a ratings system it helped to create.

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/technology/gaming/it-took-18-years-but-mortal-kombat-is-finally-banned/story-e6frfrt9-1226014699735#ixzz1FPrKSfFF


Interesting article pointing out that the current classifications system for video games was put in place as a reaction to the original Mortal Kombat game, which caused a stir in the media at the time:


"In Mortal Kombat, a popular new game in video arcades, one character rips the heart out of his opponent while another rips off his opponent's head and spine," reported the Courier-Mail at the time, in an article titled "Child Ban On Violent Video Games Urged".


Martz
Posted 05:53pm 02/3/11
I was told that it is illegal to import an RC game in Australia period, whether it's for personal use or what not


I suggested this in page 2 of this thread, that if it's banned, then it must be illegal to import. It makes sense. but groganus replied that it's ok to import :/
thermite
Posted 06:11pm 02/3/11
I suggested this in page 2 of this thread, that if it's banned, then it must be illegal to import. It makes sense. but groganus replied that it's ok to import :/


That does make sense, except it's not banned, it's refused classification - and the laws on that don't cover buying it from overseas or already owning it.

Also 'page 2' depends on your forum settings, we're still on page 1 on my screen.
Fixah
Posted 08:59pm 02/3/11
Well actually I said the exact same thing on the phone, that "it is RC, but not banned". She cut me off and said that RC means that it is banned.
paveway
Posted 09:12am 03/3/11
BANNED

lols i think they're going to tell you that anyway tbh
myWhiteWolf
Posted 10:23am 03/3/11
wonder what the punishment is for having a game that's RC?

wonder if its lighter or harsher than having pirated versions of games ($150,000 fine for movies, I'd imagine it would be similar for games)

Can you get charged with copyright infringement if the game is illegal in the country anyway?
Intergage
Posted 10:55am 03/3/11
I now explicitly dislike the word explicitly.. gah!

Haha Awesome.

I heard somewhere a couple of weeks ago we might be getting R18+ back for games?
Can anyone confirm?
thermite
Posted 11:01am 03/3/11
I can confirm that you heard that, because you said so.
Intergage
Posted 11:53am 03/3/11
I can confirm that you heard that, because you said so.

Smartass - Haha.
Crash
Posted 03:54pm 03/3/11
Yeah I know but I need to get an official straight answer before I take other people's money. I've been importing games but non have been RC'd ones. There's just too much wishy washy vague info out there and this seems the most official thus far. From the information i've gathered it seems too risky, unless someone else can get reliable information from another source.

Need to find someone who works in customs (and i don't mean to bribe them), but to get answers from the people on the floor who physically deal with the s***.

I've had a look into this previously. Customs can seize the goods if they have been refused classification. However it is not illegal to own a copy of a game that has been refused classification, unless you are in WA, then its a no no.
Khel
Posted 04:00pm 03/3/11
You would have to be unlucky though, they would have to actually open the package to know it was a game that has been RC'd. On every game I've ever imported the customs declaration on the outside just says "software".
Fixah
Posted 04:37pm 03/3/11
Yeah i'm not worried about importing it for personal use, but i will be if I was order more than 1.

I can possibly look into getting my contact to ship each copy to each person individually..so hold that thought.
jedite1000
Posted 02:01pm 04/3/11
hey fixah add me too i want the 360 version kollectors edition, PAL
paveway
Posted 02:28pm 04/3/11
lol yes mr 1 post random google noob (probhably AFP)

we'll add you to our group buy
Fixah
Posted 03:13pm 04/3/11
hey fixah add me too i want the 360 version kollectors edition, PAL
I'm not your PAL, BUDDY!

No but i'm still waiting to hear back from customs. Will give update when i get more info.
MaGGiC
Posted 05:43pm 05/3/11
one day we will move to an R18+ classification

sad face
Fixah
Posted 07:48pm 05/3/11
Interview and some new gameplay footage:





I'm not even an MK fan but this is looking the goods.
Khel
Posted 08:09pm 05/3/11
I linked that in the other thread already!

But yeah, its looking awesome
RUSTA
Posted 09:03pm 05/3/11
Here's some stills from the upcoming web movie series.

This is the directors postings

http://www.mobypicture.com/user/KTANCH

There are other stills around. Jeri Ryan (Seven of Nine from Star Trek Voyager) is in some. She plays Sonja Blade.


Movies should be in same style as below (in case you missed it) as they will be by the same director.



last edited by RUSTA at 21:03:23 05/Mar/11
Fixah
Posted 11:31pm 05/3/11
I linked that in the other thread already!

But yeah, its looking awesome
Did you? i don't remember seeing the actual interview itself, but i'm probably mistaken.
Khel
Posted 10:57am 07/3/11
I'm not having a go at you or anything, the more Mortal Kombat is pimped the better imo :P

And speaking of pimping, heres another shorter Gamespot interview, only five minutes, but is cut up with a lot of the interesting gameplay bits from the 20 minute one. Kano looks brutal, I'm loving his x-ray move, and its good to see he has the oldschool heart ripping fatality :)

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