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Post by Dan @ 12:27pm 17/02/11 | 41 Comments
The PlayStation blog brings word from Sony in the form of an official statement clarifying their stance on circumventing the PlayStation 3's security and piracy of PS3 software. In case there was any confusion -- after the string of legal action the company has pursued against vocal hackers -- they don't like it:
Notice: Unauthorized circumvention devices for the PlayStation 3 system have been recently released by hackers. These devices permit the use of unauthorized or pirated software. Use of such devices or software violates the terms of the “System Software License Agreement for the PlayStation 3 System” and the “Terms of Services and User Agreement” for the PlayStation Network/Qriocity and its Community Code of Conduct provisions. Violation of the System Software Licence Agreement for the PlayStation 3 System invalidates the consumer guarantee for that system. In addition, copying or playing pirated software is a violation of International Copyright Laws. Consumers using circumvention devices or running unauthorized or pirated software will have access to the PlayStation Network and access to Qriocity services through PlayStation 3 system terminated permanently.

To avoid this, consumers must immediately cease use and remove all circumvention devices and delete all unauthorized or pirated software from their PlayStation 3 systems.
The notice appears to be a rather clear-cut warning to modded PS3 console users that Sony will soon begin banning consoles and users that it detects as modded from their online PlayStation Network service and reads as though they are perhaps giving modders a last chance to change their hardware-freedom loving ways before cutting them off.

PlayStation blog furthers this with their own interpretation:
By identifying PlayStation 3 systems that breach our guidelines and terminating their ability to connect to PlayStation Network, we are protecting our business and preserving the honest gameplay experiences that you expect and deserve.

Rest assured, this message does not apply to the overwhelming majority of our users who enjoy the world of entertainment PlayStation 3 has to offer without breaching the guidelines detailed above, and we urge you to continue doing so without fear.
It is important for those considering whether to mod their console or not to understand that while Sony's desire to control what you run on the console hardware your purchase has little legal merit, restriction of access to their online services is much more cut and dry and one should view the loss of PSN functionality as an unavoidable cost for the use of homebrew applications on your PlayStation 3.












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FaceMan
Posted 12:34pm 17/2/11
So you own the PS3 but you cant do what you want with it ?
Sony will always own your PS3 ?
Why should you have to buy one ? They should be leasing them.
trog
Posted 12:37pm 17/2/11
Correct me if I'm wrong, but part of the recent hacks were so you could change your PSN id on demand, wasn't it?
trog
Posted 12:37pm 17/2/11
So you own the PS3 but you cant do what you want with it ?
Sony will always own your PS3 ?
Why should you have to buy one ? They should be leasing them.
Dan specifically covered that in the last paragraph - you can do what you want with it, but Sony can restrict your access to their network if you do
d^
Posted 12:45pm 17/2/11
That's fair enough on Sony's part. The other consoles do that no?
teq
Posted 12:49pm 17/2/11
and fair enough too, I'm a h4x0r myself but I f*****g hate c**** that cheat in games, with a passion
that said, if I want to turn my ps3 into a webserver, I'm going to
Enska
Posted 12:49pm 17/2/11
^^ afaik they do, yes.
FaceMan
Posted 01:00pm 17/2/11
No its not fair.
Part of the price you pay includes access to there 'playground'
If you arent using their playground why should you have to pay for it.

Their business model only works if they restrict how you use their product.
What if all business worked that way ?

teq
Posted 01:05pm 17/2/11
er wat

their playground has rules, like any company running a venue (virtual or not) you have to abide by their rules
you can't walk into a pub and start hacking their beer keg lines to get free beer can you? you'd get kicked out on your ass quick smart

the hardware you own, sure - but you agree to their rules when you sign in to PSN
this is really clear cut, it's not even worth arguing that you should be able to go into their world with your hacked PS3, for very very obvious reasons
kappa
Posted 01:06pm 17/2/11
I got that email :S

Lucky I care not for PSN. Live ftw!
Dan
Posted 01:10pm 17/2/11
Correct me if I'm wrong, but part of the recent hacks were so you could change your PSN id on demand, wasn't it?
People were talking about that, but from what I've read and understand it's a lot less simple than just changing a single ID.

The explanation (and I'm likely not completely accurate with this description) was that every console has several unique identifiers that Sony can check against. If you were to just change the main console ID, Sony would theoretically be able to see that that console ID didn't match the rest of the identifiers your console was trying to authenticate with. You would need to change all of these and have them match a specific set that Sony has on record for a specific individual existing console -- basically, you would need to spoof the details of another physically existing PS3 console.

This is all just second hand information that I've read from various sites (and there's probably a much less convoluted way to explain it), so don't take it as gospel but it does seem entirely plausible.

If true, it's probably only a good thing. As if you could change your console ID and dodge bans at a whim, mutliplayer cheating would just spiral completely out of control.
FaceMan
Posted 01:12pm 17/2/11
What if you buy a 2nd hand one thats been banned ?

Rules ?
I payed for the PS3 I make the rules.
First rule is I Own it, not Sony.

Its like you join a Cult when you buy a Console.
Luckily I dont own one.
Fixah
Posted 01:21pm 17/2/11
Online cheaters should not be tolerated whatsoever.

I'll be damned if i'm going to pay for an ongoing service only to see it being hacked by cheaters wanting to extend their e-penisisis on the expense of others. Then again you get what you pay for and I don't mind paying $55 a year for XBL to make sure s*** like that doesn't happen in the first place.

PSN will always be inferior anyways..
Pinky
Posted 01:20pm 17/2/11
As if you could change your console ID and dodge bans at a whim, mutliplayer cheating would just spiral completely out of control.

Why can't they just implement something like Valve Anti-cheat or Punkbuster? Monitors memory/GPU for changes while playing, any change and bam! Ban-hammer comes down.

If anything, it's a good thing for Sony because although it will turn some customers away, it's a decent design requirement which can be used as a reason to push out another console system!
`ViPER`
Posted 01:25pm 17/2/11
Its funny how they lump unauthorised software in with pirated software.

Thats were they are going wrong I think.

I guess cause they will probably say that unauthorised software could be used for cheating in games.

Sony could fix the problem by giving people the "other os" option back, and this time with full system access.

That way theres no way people could complain because the ONLY reason for hacking the playstation software would be for pirating and hacking, otherwise you'd just install linux and XBMC.
BladeHunter
Posted 01:26pm 17/2/11
Meh, I don't use PSN so all's well for me, I do however love FBANext and Mednafen on my PS3 though :)
Midda
Posted 01:41pm 17/2/11
I'm all for banning cheaters or people playing pirated software online, but I don't want to be punished for installing homebrew. My PS3 hasn't signed into PSN for months because I've been working away from home, but I was planning to pop on some custom firmware when I get back in a couple of weeks. Homebrew is awesome, but I don't want to sacrifice my ability to go online. :(
Eorl
Posted 02:03pm 17/2/11
I want my damn XBMC for PS3. Those will be the glorious days.
teq
Posted 12:49am 18/2/11
wow I really thought this was pretty clear cut, do what you want with the hardware
Sure Sony will vaguely attempt to tell you that the hardware shouldn't be hacked for legal reasons, but they're just beating their chest a bit

but when it comes to using a hacked device on their own network, it's ludicrous to believe that you are "entitled" to this because you bought their hardware
it's not a right, it's a privilege

a privilege they fully warn you will be taken away if you abuse it



fpot
Posted 02:23pm 17/2/11
No its not fair.
Part of the price you pay includes access to there 'playground'
If you arent using their playground why should you have to pay for it.

Their business model only works if they restrict how you use their product.
What if all business worked that way ?
Literally one of the dumbest things faceman has ever said.
Hogfather
Posted 02:28pm 17/2/11
Sony have every right to ban PS3s that are hacked from PSN. Its just 100% insane to declare otherwise.
Eorl
Posted 02:59pm 17/2/11
Faceman, you don't pay for the PSN. There for you don't own s***. You use it on the basis that you don't hack or cheat, and that you follow their rules. They don't care what you do with the offline mode of the PS3. Go crazy for all they care, it voids a warranty and risks breaking it. They are just saying they do not tolerate hackers and cheats on their network, which is fair enough.
FaceMan
Posted 03:06pm 17/2/11
Uhhh of course you pay for it as part of the game price.
They dont run it as a not-for-profit.

I feel like I am from another World at times on QGL.
Its either the Government stomping all over your rights or its Corporations.
Telling you its because of Cheaters is like telling you you have to be X-rayed before you board a plane because of Terrorists.

There prolly is cheaters but Id imagine there numbers are small or cheating wouldnt be an advantage. People who make the Hacks will just make better ones that avoid Sonys detection.
Inconvenience to Hackers = minimal.
Benefits of banning non-sony Software = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
`ViPER`
Posted 03:09pm 17/2/11
They don't care what you do with the offline mode of the PS3. Go crazy for all they care, it voids a warranty and risks breaking it.


Ah well actually they do, thats why people are getting sued at the moment.
Hogfather
Posted 03:10pm 17/2/11
I feel like I am from another World at times on QGL.

Its funny, we often feel the same way.
myWhiteWolf
Posted 03:13pm 17/2/11
Literally one of the dumbest things faceman has ever said.
elaborate? i personally disagree with it but i fail to see how what you faceman said was "the dumbest".
myWhiteWolf
Posted 03:19pm 17/2/11
my main question is does this stop you from doing firmware upgrades on your PS3 which would then disallow the installation of new games?
Hogfather
Posted 03:24pm 17/2/11
Firmware is included on game disks ...
Resonate
Posted 03:40pm 17/2/11
As if Sony are the only ones doing this. When 360 modding was all the rage a few years back, Microsoft took out their ban hammer as well.
Eorl
Posted 03:45pm 17/2/11
Faceman, you don't pay for the f*****g PSN. Get it through your thick skull. You pay a one off fee when you buy the damn console, and that's it. It isn't like XBL where your paying a subscription. That is why Microsoft treat and make sure everything is good for their customers, cause they are paying. Sony are making sure hackers are dealt with, and in the right way, by banning. You don't pay for the damn PSN, so you have no f*****g voice in how Sony deal with it all.
FaceMan
Posted 03:50pm 17/2/11
Do I have to get the crayons out ?

Its a feature of the Console you buy.
After you buy the Console Sony might remove that feature based on the kind of Software you use. For instance, any Software that isnt Sony.
Would you buy the Console for the same price if PSN was disabled ?
trog
Posted 03:59pm 17/2/11
Do I have to get the crayons out ?

Its a feature of the Console you buy.
It is a condition of the feature that you access it with an unmodified console. It's sort of like how sometimes companies write "warranty void if you open up the inside of the box and f*** with it" on their products.
Would you buy the Console for the same price if PSN was disabled ?
Nope, and that's an issue for second hand consoles for sure and something the 2nd hand market will need to be aware of. But if you're buying a new console with a view to using PSN, you need to be aware that modding your console puts your ability to access that at risk.

It's the same with Xbox 360, and its the exact same thing that happens with PC games - try too many client side hacks and eventually you'll get caught and banned from playing online.

Online cheating is a big deal; I find it hard to take exception to these policies.
fpot
Posted 04:19pm 17/2/11
It's funny how facemans persecution complex filters down to every level of his thinking.
Fixah
Posted 04:27pm 17/2/11
I feel like I am from another World at times on QGL.
That's because you are.

*X files theme song*
Midda
Posted 04:37pm 17/2/11
Sony have every right to ban PS3s that are hacked from PSN. Its just 100% insane to declare otherwise.

Yeah, they do, but I'm kind of hoping that some clever people figure out some ways to still get online, because I want to play my games online and have my homebrew. Unfortunately that also means that idiots will be able to get online with their hacked games and ruin it for everyone else. :(
ravn0s
Posted 04:59pm 17/2/11
i dont use my ps3 online at all. i just play single player games on my ps3.
csirac
Posted 05:07pm 17/2/11
ffs stop feeing faceman! hahaha

stop getting trolled
darkjedi
Posted 09:57pm 17/2/11
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but isn't this the same thing Microsoft did a while back when they started banhammering 360s that had been modified? Pretty certain that part of it was fully preventing them from ever using XBL again.

Not sure that's any different to this, beyond Sony giving fair warning now before laying the smack down.
Midda
Posted 10:02pm 17/2/11
Yeah, but the 360 mods don't let you do anything other than play pirated games. There aren't really any legitimate uses to it.
darkjedi
Posted 10:41pm 17/2/11
As someone who loved his Xbox for XBMC and nothing else, I know the point you're hitting at. Unfortunately after the butt-hurting Sony copped with the original PS1 and more recently the PSP, anything that allows piracy (regardless of other uses) is going to get the very heavy end of their attention.
teq
Posted 10:32am 18/2/11
After you buy the Console Sony might remove that feature based on the kind of Software you use. For instance, any Software that isnt Sony.


Dear lord, no it's not.

You don't just f*****g "get" PSN with the PS3, you get a PS3 and by using any PS3, anywhere, antime - even a rented one, you are allowed to 'signup' for a PSN login.
They can ban you from PSN for any reason they want, you owe them nothing and they owe you nothing.

You agree to abide by their rules when you sign up for it.

A better example of what you are describing is when Sony decided to remove OtherOS support, that was wrong - that really ground my gears
parabol
Posted 01:23pm 18/2/11
Not sure what the fuss is about.

Sure PSN access is part of the "package" you paid for, but the bottom line is that you only own your PS3 and not the PSN. Mod the crap out of your console by all means, but you have to play by their rules if you feel like using their ongoing service.
In addition, copying or playing pirated software is a violation of International Copyright Laws

Sony's wording and attitude like that just makes me rage. As if the average pirate has copyright laws in mind when they are ripping/installing a game.
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