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Post by Steve Farrelly @ 11:28am 09/03/10 | 26 Comments
While the open invitation for discussion of the introduction of an R18+ rating for videogames here in Australia closed on February 28, various outlets such as EB Games and GAME continue to keep the debate alive with active petitions, while sprinkles of news here and there also do their job in maintaining at least some form of momentum.

Today, however, it was revealed the debate itself is important enough to the government, who've realised even more they need to pay close attention to gamers, with word that some 55,000 submissions were made in favour of the introduction of an R18+ rating for games over the course of the paper's open hours, which ran from December through to the end of February.

Though in saying that, the Australia Christian Lobby Group has challenged the credibility of the 55,000-strong response, claiming commercial ties with gaming companies and the general consensus among gamers that games are not linked to sparking violence and aggression as "reminiscent of the tactics of tobacco companies in questioning the link between smoking and lung cancer," as printed in their March newsletter.

Regardless, the strength of the overall response (bear in mind several organisations also submitted on behalf of large numbers of people such as the EFA) means the issue will likely find its way into the next meeting of state and territory attorneys-general. Stay tuned as we dive deeper.






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DM
Posted 11:33am 09/3/10
Christian Lobby Group

Fucking religion has nothing to do stepping into a gaming arguement. Go do some shit over in hatti to help some people you kiddy fuckers.

Glad that Game and EB got so many signatures together for this. Should help push this along. I guess now we just play the waiting game and time will tell what happens.
deadlyf
Posted 11:39am 09/3/10
"reminiscent of the tactics of tobacco companies in questioning the link between smoking and lung cancer,"
I'm continuously amazed at the ability of religious people to be impervious to their own irony. Hello Condoms!
Vash
Posted 12:05pm 09/3/10
Reading this stuff makes rage so damn much. Fuck.
Dazhel
Posted 12:09pm 09/3/10
Go do some shit over in hatti to help some people you kiddy fuckers.


The comments from the Christian Lobby aren't incredibly constructive, but neither is this.
Douche
Posted 12:11pm 09/3/10
DMs never made a good post, i wouldnt worry
greazy
Posted 12:13pm 09/3/10
Actually comments like that are more destructive than anything the anti-R18+ lobbyists are saying or can say. You have to understand there will always be opposition and you should welcome it because it brings about discussion, which is something you want.

So stop being an stereotypical angry nerd, put your thinking hat on, and come up with an intelligent counter-claim.
tequila
Posted 12:17pm 09/3/10
imo religion has no place in politics what so ever
religion is a personal choice, our elected officials shouldn't be pushing their personal views
DM
Posted 01:04pm 09/3/10
Opposition is good as is having a discussion because in all cases it's needed. It pisses me off though when religious groups jump in on subjects that are clearly not religious in any way, and start sprouting bullshit.

imo religion has no place in politics what so ever

100% agreed. Unfortunatly hard to do.

The comments from the Christian Lobby aren't incredibly constructive, but neither is this.

Yeah that was a bit overboard I admit. If they really wanted to help though they would be all for this new rating and push for a big campaign on it being introduced. Right now they only seem to be saying "it's going to kill your kids like smoking. Don't listen to them, listen to us"
Bear
Posted 01:48pm 09/3/10
I guess if I wanted to go on a killing spree, playing Counter Strike might give me some tactical ideas, but a violent game isn't really going to influence me to actually do it.

Games are hardly that educational on a practical level either. Most of my knowledge of how to make fertilizer bombs actually comes from reading novels by authors such as Tom Clancy. I'm sure if I tried "death from above" like Assassin's Creed II, I'd probably be the one needing the tombstone. - Ouch -

Linking game publishers to big tobacco is way off course. A more accurate comparison would be the hype of Dungeons & Dragons creating axe murderers in the 80s. It was never proven and pretty much ended after a while.

Who really gives a toss anyway. Set up a VPN with the other end in the US and you can download via Steam or Direct 2 Drive anything you want. It's far cheaper than buying retail as well.
Crash
Posted 02:11pm 09/3/10
You have to understand there will always be opposition and you should welcome it because it brings about discussion, which is something you want.

So stop being an stereotypical angry nerd, put your thinking hat on, and come up with an intelligent counter-claim.

It helps if the opposition actually wants to discuss it though.... I've tried sending members of the ACL emails asking them about some of the false information they have been spreading about the R18+ classification. I am yet to get a response back from them.
Dan
Posted 02:15pm 09/3/10
Though in saying that, the Australia Christian Lobby Group has challenged the credibility of the 55,000-strong response, claiming commercial ties with gaming companies and the general consensus among gamers that games are not linked to sparking violence and aggression as "reminiscent of the tactics of tobacco companies in questioning the link between smoking and lung cancer," as printed in their March newsletter.
Then why doesn't the Christian Lobby Group lobby for an 18+ rating for the purchase of cigarettes.... oh right.
Pinky
Posted 02:34pm 09/3/10
Violent games saturate our market as MA15+ classified. Those games that have R18+ ratings in other countries.

Yet somehow we have very limited violence that can be correlated with gaming.

It seems to me that there is an overwhelming amount of evidence against the fictional link that the Australian Christian Lobby would have us believe exists.
HerbalLizard
Posted 02:31pm 09/3/10
Why doesn't someone form a bullshit lobby group and lobby that the sale of bibles be r18+ based on content?
Pinky
Posted 02:44pm 09/3/10
In the latest March ACL newsletter:


There is actually overwhelming evidence linking violent video games and aggression.

Yet, just like every other classic fear campaign, there are no references to this 'research', how it was carried out and the population sample that was under study.

Even if such a body of evidence exists - is it even relevant to our particular set of circumstances in Australia?

The only thing this newsletter is good for is keeping your fire alight during Winter, if you accidentally printed it.
Dazhel
Posted 03:02pm 09/3/10
There is actually overwhelming evidence linking violent video games and aggression.


No there's not and I'll stab anybody in the face who says so!

..umm...I mean...No there's not.
Hogfather
Posted 03:15pm 09/3/10
The opposition to an R18+ classification is mystifying to me.

There will be less product deemed suitable for those in the 15-18 bracket, potentially a lot less. The number of RC titles or titles challenged and altered is really quite low. Gamers are actually pushing for more restrictions with an 18+ category, not less. One would imagine that laws to make providing access to the material a very serious offense (like smoking or drinking laws) wouldn't be challenged by gaming groups.

Both sides seem to want the same thing.
Dazhel
Posted 03:16pm 09/3/10
It's weird eh Hogfather. One side is screaming "Won't somebody think of the children!?!?" and the other side needs to pipe up and say "We are dammit!"
Dan
Posted 06:27pm 09/3/10
There is actually overwhelming evidence linking violent video games and aggression.
There is actually overwhelming evidence linking religious beliefs and aggression. (haha, this is fun)
Pinky
Posted 03:56pm 09/3/10
lol Dan. Touche.
Methz
Posted 04:06pm 09/3/10
"I guess if I wanted to go on a killing spree, playing Counter Strike might give me some tactical ideas, but a violent game isn't really going to influence me to actually do it."

haha I just had a mental image of some dude getting shot and calling the coppers hax0rz.
Dazhel
Posted 04:37pm 09/3/10
Heh, then waiting for some asshole to plant the bomb so he can respawn out of jail already.
Moromillas
Posted 04:56pm 09/3/10
I don't understand, why on earth would this so-called Christian group be against something like this. They should be outraged that parents don't have an R18+ rating to go by.
HerbalLizard
Posted 05:33pm 09/3/10
^^Spot on, what I also don't get is the fact that some games that get a higher r18+ rating in other countries get a ma15+ rating in aus, why they are opposed this is just makes not sense at all. Its ban the shit of of this ban the shit out of that rather than make the system better perhaps knock up the rating on lower classified games and making a rating that makes sense for the adults.

Lets prey that everyone gets sick to death of this shitbag crook shitkinsonofabitch and votes him out eventually he will get dislodged from his seat
euphoria
Posted 08:02pm 09/3/10
Hi, 1 x Christian signing in: I don't understand their position. I'm all for a R18+ rating because (as all of here know) it'll get games classified correctly so that parents can make a more informed choice.

To be honest I think this is more of a generational problem. We've grown up with games and understand their content and effects 1st hand. Old people didn't, and don't.
Viper
Posted 10:07pm 09/3/10
It really is quite funny about all these studies, whenever we do any kind of study we get people saying blah blah it doesn't count its funded by the industry and is thus bias but whenever the opposition gets a study done it is by people who are highly uneducated about gaming and of course is thus bias in the opposite direction although nobody seems to call them on it.

For them to say that this is the same as the tobacco industry is completely wrong because for the tobacco industry there are actual proven studies and show this kind of thing. In this case all there is a a few random studies conducted by people who are bias against video games and quite often with no information at all shown about the tests.
neffo
Posted 10:12pm 09/3/10
What's funny about all this noise about the R18+ rating is that Atkinson's team will probably lose government anyway.

And it won't have anything to do with something so trivial as banning AvP.
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