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Left 4 Dead 2 Refused Aussie Classification upon review
Post by Tremble @ 05:13pm 22/10/09 | 174 Comments
Just took a gander at the OFLC site.
A three-member panel of the Classification Review Board (the Review Board) has unanimously determined that the computer game Left 4 Dead 2 is classified RC (Refused Classification).

In the Review Board’s opinion, Left 4 Dead 2 could not be accommodated within the MA 15+ classification. The computer game contains a level of violence which is high in impact, prolonged, repeated frequently and realistic within the context of the game.

In addition, it was the Review Board’s opinion that there was insufficient delineation between the depiction of general zombie figures and the human figures, as opposed to the clearly fictional ‘infected’ characters. This was a major consideration of the Review Board in determining the impact of this game on minors.

Computer games classified RC cannot be sold, hired, advertised or demonstrated in Australia.
Seems Aussies will be stuck with the censored version on release.

Commence bitching.

Left 4 Dead 2 classified RC upon review

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ctd
Posted 07:19pm 22/10/09
How to buy uncensored version? (I don't have any internet friends to gift me)
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FraktuRe
Posted 07:31pm 22/10/09
could we get stinky, or other qgler in america to buy a 4 pack, then gift 3 of them to us?

I may even pay for my share.
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Mitch
Posted 07:48pm 22/10/09
:(
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ravn0s
Posted 07:48pm 22/10/09
would be awsome if stinky could do that. otherwise i will just get it from cdwow.
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Khel
Posted 07:54pm 22/10/09
So that actually works? Buying it from the US and gifting it? Or is this just a rumour/assumption/guess?
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d[o_0]b
Posted 07:56pm 22/10/09
i was assuming australian copy would be different version so couldnt play with ppl on uncensored version
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ravn0s
Posted 07:57pm 22/10/09
the version you get depends on the location of the gifter. so if they are in the US then you get the US version. its in the steam FAQ.
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Mitch
Posted 08:09pm 22/10/09
http://www.cdwow.com.au/games/PC/LEFT-4-DEAD-2/dp/pc/10243227#bc=b577

UK 18+ version.
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Infidel
Posted 08:16pm 22/10/09
I could buy it in Europe but you would have to pay me in Euros, Tim Tams, Vegemite For'n'twenty meatpies, seafood baskets and steak
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Chucky
Posted 08:27pm 22/10/09
wow, this + cod:mw makes me a very unhappy gamer
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HERMITech
Posted 08:42pm 22/10/09
Dammit :(
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antzpantz
Posted 09:45pm 22/10/09
http://www.g2play.net/store/Left-4-Dead-2-UNCUT-VERSION-Steam-Key.html


There's another one for ya too.
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rrrocket
Posted 10:04pm 22/10/09
this sux ass....I'm undecided whether I'll get it now.


What if we get it gifted from some peeps in NZ and play on their servers?
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ViscoS
Posted 10:15pm 22/10/09
Thanks a lot OFLC, you ruined christmas.
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ViscoS
Posted 10:15pm 22/10/09
Thanks a lot OFLC, you ruined christmas.
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ravn0s
Posted 10:20pm 22/10/09
What if we get it gifted from some peeps in NZ and play on their servers?


doesnt matter what version you have, you will still be able to play on any server. i have the euro version of l4d and play on aussie servers fine.
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The GuVna
Posted 10:47pm 22/10/09
A three-member panel of the Classification Review Board


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The GuVna
Posted 10:50pm 22/10/09
But yea not their fault, no 18+ rating & all.
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FraktuRe
Posted 10:52pm 22/10/09
they can be blamed for being so fucking inconsistent.

If they gave RC for every game that actually should be 18+, there would have been a huge uproar years ago, and this probably would have been changed by now.

As it stands, the guys on the board are a group of fucktards.
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LOTUK
Posted 11:15pm 22/10/09
Would be great to hear if the uncensored version will be compatible with the censored version... (I don't think comparing the UK and AU L4D1 is any real proof :(

If it is compatible, I am so importing my copy... November will so so many nerd riots. Thankfully the stereotypical nerd hasn't the motivation to do much... but they do have great strength in one of their arms... could be dangerous!
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RottenRobot
Posted 11:37pm 22/10/09
Inconsistent classification standards cheese everyone off. I'm not a fan of blood, guts, gore and full on violence, but I also hate the double standards of censorship in Australia. Why is X-rated porn illegal in every state except Canberra, where it is actually made? Why the fuss over this game and not others that are just as bad or worse? If they are so concerned about exposing kids to bad things, then why do my kids have soft/semi porn magazine content in their faces and at their eye level every time we walk past the magazine stand in any news agency? If the argument is that the govt will not create an R18 rating because they can't police it, then what about other media outlets, such as your local DVD library? Adult content is poorly policed, if at all with other forms of media, so why apply different standards to the gaming industry?
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HyperJ
Posted 11:53pm 22/10/09
Lucky for me, I am in the UK when the game comes out, with the exchange rate as it is at the moment, will be cheap as...
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Midda
Posted 12:49am 23/10/09
That G2PLAY site seems like a good option, provided that I'll DEFINITELY be able to play the uncensored version. There's no real way to know before the game is out and others have tried it. I might just wait until release day and see.
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FraktuRe
Posted 01:01am 23/10/09
HyperJ, would you be interested in buying the 4pack for some of us lowly locals?
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$ack
Posted 01:06am 23/10/09
Im lost for words :\:\:\:\:\
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HERMITech
Posted 02:06am 23/10/09
>quote>Why is X-rated porn illegal in every state except Canberra,
Because that's where the High level Politicians live. Can't have them or their children creating a scandal now can we....

Or it could be due to Territory laws are different to State Laws
I don't know, I'm just shooting my mouth off :)
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Robbo
Posted 04:04am 23/10/09
I'm going to advertise it on every site I own just to spite the fucks.
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Tollaz0r!
Posted 07:11am 23/10/09
I wonder if they will reply to a letter detailing other games that are just as bad, worse, or the same (L4D) and asked to explain why they are so inconsistent.

I too find the inconsistency stupid.

I bet the letter would receive a stock standard reply.
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Mephz
Posted 08:29am 23/10/09
Cool, been waiting for this decision until pre-purchasing.

Will not be buying.
Will get Borderlands instead.
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Plasma
Posted 09:33am 23/10/09
So what does this mean for someone who has yet to purchase the game?

Is there any point trying to get the US version gifted to me, or would I just get a censored version regardless?
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ravn0s
Posted 11:09am 23/10/09
Is there any point trying to get the US version gifted to me, or would I just get a censored version regardless?


you will get the uncensored version if its gifted to you from someone who lives in a country where its uncensored. its what the germans did with l4d.
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Plasma
Posted 11:36am 23/10/09
Hot.

Anyone have any hookups?!
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Mephz
Posted 12:34pm 23/10/09
So if we order a box etc. from an online company from overseas they'll send an uncensored version and not a censored aussie version is this the norm?

What's peoples recommendations for such stores that they've dealt with before, never ordered online except through steam.
Will most likely still wait and see that its playable on AU servers though, but its worth having options open I guess.
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trog
Posted 12:50pm 23/10/09
So if we order a box etc. from an online company from overseas they'll send an uncensored version and not a censored aussie version is this the norm?
I seem to recall this coming up last time and there being some restrictions about doing this? Or is that just for RC games (like, it's actually illegal to import an RC game, or something)
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Mephz
Posted 12:57pm 23/10/09
I imagine it would be illegal but I don't particularly care about that =P
Unless they opened the games box and loaded it up I can't see them being able to really tell that easily.
And at worst I'd say they confiscate it and you'd simply lose it with perhaps a written letter in your mailbox as a slap on the wrist for importing it.

It sounds like its going to be a massive pain in the ass to acquire, but yeah, like others, I'm not paying for a reduced version because some psychotic christian zealots say otherwise :)

last edited by Mephz at 12:57:57 23/Oct/09
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Plasma
Posted 12:58pm 23/10/09
I'm really after someone to just gift me L4D 2 from overseas; apparently that should work as its based on where you purchase it from (not where you download it from).
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Mephz
Posted 01:06pm 23/10/09
Hmmmm, better yet/easier idea.

Will we be able to purchase over steam (censored or not)
Then just donwload the game, yes, blatantly pirate the thing (that you've already paid for)...
Over-write your existing files and go nuts?

This might be a bit of a problem with steam given it seems to be a bit different with its installation than from boxed versions?

Is this viable?
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ravn0s
Posted 01:09pm 23/10/09
i guess that could work mephz.
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Tremble
Posted 01:16pm 23/10/09
If it works the same as L4D1, getting it gifted will work without any special downloading.

German players who got it gifted from outside got the uncensored version, and there were even reports of people in the USA getting it gifted from Germany and getting the gimped version. So it is based purely off place of purchase.

Got my gifted copy ready to go, fingers crossed.
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Shakul
Posted 04:43pm 23/10/09
Sorry Valve, but I will now be pirating the crap out of this. :(
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greazy
Posted 04:48pm 23/10/09
how are you going to play online?
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Khel
Posted 06:07pm 23/10/09
Yeah, its a pretty pointless game to pirate, since the vast majority of play time you'll spend with it is multiplayer.
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Chucky
Posted 07:07pm 23/10/09
why would you pirate l4d2?
If the loss of a bit of blood is that much of an issue, then well... you should try importing it from overseas (which supposedly works)

Also, should be supporting valve, i could understand if it were IW/Activision
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ravn0s
Posted 08:28pm 23/10/09
but like what mephz said. would it be possible to buy a cdkey off one of those cdkey sites, then download the uncensored pirated copy then use the cdkey with it?
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Tremble
Posted 10:32pm 23/10/09
Nobody knows for sure. But probably, yes. They will give you a cd-key and you just click 'activate a product on steam', pop it in, and it downloads/installs.
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Dan
Posted 08:40am 24/10/09
how are you going to play online?
Could be talking about the xbox 360 version (yeah I forgot it was coming out on multiple platforms too, it's such a PC game).
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Plasma
Posted 03:36pm 24/10/09
Okay guys I have a theory here.

If you set ?cc=US in your browser at the Steam store in the URL; and proceed to the checkout, you *may* get the uncensored version.

After purchase, if you visit your account info (click Login / your email address at the top right of the screen) you will see:

Left 4 Dead 2 (preorder)
instead of:
Left 4 Dead 2 (preorder AU)

Only worth giving it a shot as a last resort!
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Plasma
Posted 03:49pm 24/10/09
PS: Restart Steam if you pre-ordered, the demo is available for pre-loading.
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ctd
Posted 03:58pm 24/10/09
Haha in the German version you get CS weapons to make up for the lack of gore. (not a worthy exchange)

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Monoxide
Posted 10:53pm 24/10/09
I tried that ?cc=US

and I can actually select to purchase banned games such as risen. Also silent hill homecoming does not appear for purchase before I entered that line in the broswer.
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ctd
Posted 11:27pm 24/10/09

I tried that ?cc=US

and I can actually select to purchase banned games such as risen. Also silent hill homecoming does not appear for purchase before I entered that line in the broswer.

haha sick. and it says COD6 is 60 dollars now. Now we just need someone from QGL to email valve about this exploit.

Thinking about it though it will probably reject you once you enter your CC details. Someone try it :P


last edited by ctd at 23:27:35 24/Oct/09
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BoDGie
Posted 11:53pm 24/10/09
According to other forums - it won't accept your payment if you try that method (unless you use a US credit card or paypal account)
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thermite
Posted 12:10am 25/10/09
I gotta be honest I wasn't even going to buy this game until the possibility of cs weapons came up. Hopefully I can use CS tactics too and wait for the zombies to come round a corner and AWP them.
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Monoxide
Posted 12:09pm 25/10/09
Well I got it gifted from someone from the US and it doesn't say AU Preorder on it.
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ravn0s
Posted 12:36pm 25/10/09
apparently this works

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edit: haha mw2 comes up as $60 now. just wondering if it would accept cc details though

last edited by ravn0s at 12:36:58 25/Oct/09
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Khel
Posted 12:38pm 25/10/09
Wouldn't you still have trouble when it comes time to pay and you don't have a US billing address though?
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DM
Posted 12:46pm 25/10/09
Yeah that's what i'm thinking too
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euphoria
Posted 01:16pm 25/10/09
It will fail when it checks your credit card billing address.
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Monoxide
Posted 02:29pm 25/10/09
What if you pay by bank account/direct debit using paypal?
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euphoria
Posted 02:37pm 25/10/09
No idea. Try it and report back.
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Khel
Posted 03:21pm 25/10/09
Just tried it, using the VPN thing that rec posted in the Modern Warfare 2 thread, got to the US version of the Steam store, but when I tried to pay using Paypal it would get to the paypal site, start trying to process the payment, and then fail.
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ctd
Posted 03:22pm 25/10/09
Boo I might give it a whirl tomorrow night.
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Khel
Posted 03:32pm 25/10/09
Wow, ok, update, I used a credit card instead of paypal and changed the country to US, left all the other billing information the same, and it went through. Don't understand how or why that actually works, but oh well, it does!
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Plasma
Posted 03:51pm 25/10/09
Wow, ok, update, I used a credit card instead of paypal and changed the country to US, left all the other billing information the same, and it went through. Don't understand how or why that actually works, but oh well, it does!


If you visit your account info (click on 'Login' at the top right, or your account username, on steampowered.com), under the purchases list does it say 'Left 4 Dead 2 (preorder)'? If so (as opposed to 'preorder AU') I think you have the uncut version.
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Tremble
Posted 03:54pm 25/10/09
Valve may also lock your account for account sharing if they see you login from australia one minute, and the USA the next.
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DoohanOK
Posted 04:05pm 25/10/09
$89.99 US for MW2? Serious? That's like AUD$97 for a PC game? Downloaded with no packaging?
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Khel
Posted 04:32pm 25/10/09
Yeah, it said Left 4 Dead 2 (preorder), nothing about it being the AU one.

I did it through the website, not through the actual steam client, so hopefully it doesn't get too confused about me logging in from different places. I left the steam client closed the whole time, and only re-opened it once the purchase was all done and I was back on an australian IP.

Oh well, if nothing else, it'll be an interesting experiment :P
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ravn0s
Posted 04:43pm 25/10/09
im gonna give it a shot
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ravn0s
Posted 05:05pm 25/10/09
khel what did you do for state or province and zipcode?

last edited by ravn0s at 17:05:28 25/Oct/09
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Plasma
Posted 05:04pm 25/10/09
Here's an interesting trick...

Remove funds from your card and attempt a purchase, you can see under your account info on the steam site that a 'charge failed' trying to purchase 'Left 4 Dead 2 (preorder AU)' when you use Australia as the country and cc=AU. Yet if you try CC=US and billing country as USA, it says it failed for 'Left 4 Dead 2 (preorder)' :)
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Khel
Posted 05:33pm 25/10/09
khel what did you do for state or province and zipcode?


I just picked a random state (california) then googled for a valid postcode there. It must not do a lot of checking because I still left all the other billing details the same, just changed country/state/post code.
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ravn0s
Posted 05:53pm 25/10/09
lol just googled and theres a brisbane city in california so i just took its zip code.


edit:

$44.99
Charge
Left 4 Dead 2 (preorder)
Purchased for this account
25 Oct 2009


last edited by ravn0s at 17:46:39 25/Oct/09

edit2: also for some reason i can download killing floor for free :/

last edited by ravn0s at 17:53:35 25/Oct/09
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TiT
Posted 05:57pm 25/10/09
edit2: also for some reason i can download killing floor for free :/


Its a free weekend
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ravn0s
Posted 05:59pm 25/10/09
so it is
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HERMITech
Posted 06:00pm 25/10/09
So what's to stop someone creating a new, secondary Steam account and setting it up as being from the US and then simply gifting games to your primary steam account?
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ravn0s
Posted 06:01pm 25/10/09
yer i read about people doing that hermi. was too much of a hassle for me to try.
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Mephz
Posted 06:03pm 25/10/09
Have someone who can gift it from overseas but the exchange rate is different.

If it's $50 AUD to preorder and $60 in NZ.
Do I send $50 AUD to them and it converts when sent to a NZ account?

(I've never sent money to anyone electronically before)
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r_mazing
Posted 06:10pm 25/10/09
Do I send $50 AUD to them and it converts when sent to a NZ account?


Yes
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Mephz
Posted 06:13pm 25/10/09
Thanks heaps r_mazing, appreciate that
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TiT
Posted 06:27pm 25/10/09
cant u use paypal and let that figure it all out?
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Minxy
Posted 06:42pm 25/10/09
Yay got my gifted copy :D
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Mephz
Posted 06:42pm 25/10/09
Yeah, apparently my accoutns aren't setup to allow international transfer direct debit anyway, so paypal it must be
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Midda
Posted 06:59pm 25/10/09
So what's to stop someone creating a new, secondary Steam account and setting it up as being from the US and then simply gifting games to your primary steam account?

That's what I just did. I didn't want to have anything suss happening on my Steam account, buying anything through there, so I created a new one, and just gifted it. It all worked fine, just hope Valve don't get the shits at me.
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HERMITech
Posted 07:09pm 25/10/09
I'm so in two minds about it...

Tempted to wait an see how it all works out for everyone on one hand and then get it after launch in case it gets borked somehow however I'm also worried that boba might let the penny drop about the workaround and I'll miss out alltogether as the method is closed...

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thermite
Posted 07:16pm 25/10/09
I don't see any reason valve would try to stop this, I don't think they are legally obligated to, and are probably allowing this to go on. According to the oflc statement RC games cannot be sold, hired, advertised, or demo'd in australia, but it doesn't mention buying, playing, owning, distributing, etc..
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eXemplar
Posted 07:19pm 25/10/09
I've just done something similar with cod:mw2, purchased from the US shop via proxy, only changed state, city and postcode for 59usd.

Tempted to try for l4d2, but the price is exactly the same so it's not really worth it for a bit more gore imo.
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DM
Posted 07:54pm 25/10/09
I feel kinda pissed about me already pre-ordering when now you can get the normal version this way
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HERMITech
Posted 07:58pm 25/10/09
Cancel your pre-order maybe?
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DM
Posted 08:05pm 25/10/09
How the crap do you do that?
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ctd
Posted 08:07pm 25/10/09
You can't over steam. Gabe Newell said something about a gore patch on release day a while ago but I am not 100%
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DM
Posted 08:11pm 25/10/09
Yeah but some people are saying that is only if the uncut version got through. Which doesnt make much sense to me
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Jabroney
Posted 08:14pm 25/10/09
before i go ahead and gift it to myself like you guys have, are there going to be any issues with playing the un-cut version in Australia? Will it be compatible with the un-cut?
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DM
Posted 08:33pm 25/10/09
support contacted and with a bit of luck i'll get this canceled then use these methods to get myself the good version!
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HERMITech
Posted 08:36pm 25/10/09
ctd,
Didn't know if he (DM) had used Steam to preorder.
Yes, Gabe mentioned a patch during his recent Aussie visit if I remember correctly and it again, I'm unsure wether it was provisional on the game as a whole not being refused classification.

before i go ahead and gift it to myself like you guys have, are there going to be any issues with playing the un-cut version in Australia? Will it be compatible with the un-cut?

No can say that with 100% certainty until the game is actually released.
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DM
Posted 08:39pm 25/10/09
Yeah I had. Actual Steam program not the online browser store. Should be ok since their FAQ says they can if the game hasn't come out yet.

Also something I found on the forums...

Q - Will Valve ban my account for importing/owning an uncut version in my country?
A - *Rewritten 23/10/09 (dd/mm/yy)* Valve can ban any users account at any time. Because owning an imported version of the game is legal in both Australia and Germany, no action will specifically be taken on Valves part.

So looks like valve will take no action for people doing this. Just means they can't sell the game here uncut is all really. If they really didn't want people playing different versions of the game, you wouldn't be able to gift games internationaly.
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ctd
Posted 08:42pm 25/10/09
Germans have been putting up with this crap forever. It is all one version online it is just that AUS and GER versions wont see blood or whatever.
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Khel
Posted 09:08pm 25/10/09
I like how they take the opportunity to flex their e-penis and let you know they can ban you at any time, then go on to say, oh but we wont ban you for this.
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ravn0s
Posted 09:19pm 25/10/09
anyone know if the demo is on the ga content servers? nothing downloads with steamwatch turned on, but i get like 2MB/s with it turned off.
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ctd
Posted 09:57pm 25/10/09
Using this for iinet filtering. Not downloading :(

Have to stay up and do it in offpeak.

edit: left it open and it is downloading now. So iinet users are sweet.

last edited by ctd at 21:57:01 25/Oct/09
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Jabroney
Posted 09:31pm 25/10/09
That's what I just did. I didn't want to have anything suss happening on my Steam account, buying anything through there, so I created a new one, and just gifted it. It all worked fine, just hope Valve don't get the shits at me.


hey midda how exactly did u do this? because I just made another steam account, and it doesnt ask what country you are from yet. however, when im gifting and try to pay with Credit Card it says my billing address is incorrect (as my billing address is from Aus and not the USA which I have in there) and if I try pay pal then that's an Australian Account too.
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Midda
Posted 10:22pm 25/10/09
flex their e-penis

I lol'd.

hey midda how exactly did u do this? because I just made another steam account, and it doesnt ask what country you are from yet. however, when im gifting and try to pay with Credit Card it says my billing address is incorrect (as my billing address is from Aus and not the USA which I have in there) and if I try pay pal then that's an Australian Account too.

I went through the same method as Khel did. I got a trial VPN account that was linked in this thread or the MW2 one, used it to set up a UK account, and added the new account to my friends list. Then, I bought the game on the UK account through the VPN, and gifted it to my actual account. I didn't bother changing any of the billing information other than the country.
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TiT
Posted 10:56pm 25/10/09
mine pre-loaded... i hope the gore patch comes out but i doubt it... i hope its just a simple commandline fix :)
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DoohanOK
Posted 11:15pm 25/10/09
Germans have been putting up with this crap forever. It is all one version online it is just that AUS and GER versions wont see blood or whatever.


Well they started WW1 and 2 so ...
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Khel
Posted 11:21pm 25/10/09
My flatmate brought up an interesting point, do you reckon theres multiple versions of the demo? Do demos have to be classified by the classification board? Like will Australia get a censored demo, or the full gore demo?
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TiT
Posted 11:24pm 25/10/09
dont know will just have wait a few days and ill tell ya
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ctd
Posted 11:28pm 25/10/09
ITS ALL PART OF THE MYSTERY OF THE ISLAND
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Monoxide
Posted 01:11am 26/10/09
Anyone here think valve tried to pull the wool over the classification boards eyes by showing them the german version of the game in the resubmitted version, but will actually release the proper version in AU? Are they really gonna go back and check whats been released here? lol I am making up conspiracies here... but you never know.
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FraktuRe
Posted 01:23am 26/10/09
it only takes one fucking old woman/boba to complain though.
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ViscoS
Posted 01:35am 26/10/09
Far easier to play by the rules and look for loopholes than to break the rules. Although what Monoxide is saying would be basically true anyway if they patched the gore in, but it's perfectly legal.
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Pinky
Posted 09:26am 26/10/09
In the latest Steam update there was a patch to gifting that 'fixed bugs'.

Anyone know if this might affect the method?
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Midda
Posted 09:36am 26/10/09
The only gift bugfix I can see was from 3 days ago, and it seemed like it was specifically for the L4D2 four-pack.
Fixed a crash on activation of a Left 4 Dead 2 4-pack gift

I just gifted myself the games from the UK store yesterday, and it worked fine. :)
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Tremble
Posted 09:42am 26/10/09

In the latest Steam update there was a patch to gifting that 'fixed bugs'.


Anyone know if this might affect the method?


That was an actual bug, it happened to me. Just had to restart steam and it was fine.
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DM
Posted 04:49pm 26/10/09
OK so just a question about this proxy buisness...

When I go to the steam store with my normal connection and search for rockstar games, it only comes up with 1, GTA4. However when I add the proxy details in and refresh it suddenly brings up like 20 of them. If I buy L4D2 with the proxy on, and pay with paypal (I have a paypal account) should it work or would it spaz out since it says I live in australia in the Paypal account.

Guess I have to wait though since still waiting for a reply on my pre-order refund.
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Monoxide
Posted 04:56pm 26/10/09
Let us know how the refund goes, I am also waiting for a refund for my AU pre order of left 4 dead 2. I don't want to end up with two copies of left 4 dead 2!
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Khel
Posted 06:34pm 26/10/09
Paypal didn't work for me, even with the proxy on, it spazzed out. Credit card did work though.
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DM
Posted 06:45pm 26/10/09
So... adding your credit card in like a normal purchase, but changing the country to US, state to cali and finding a post code for the brisbane area there works? really? I would of thought that never would of worked.
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ctd
Posted 06:50pm 26/10/09
Yeah I did UK, London and my state was "Jolly Old". Rest was my details.
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Khel
Posted 07:22pm 26/10/09
Yeah, it really works, suprised me too but it does.
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ravn0s
Posted 07:52pm 26/10/09
well got the demo. hopefully not all of the download went to my cap. took only a couple of mins to download at 2.3MB/s :)
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Jabroney
Posted 08:29pm 26/10/09
can someone plz tell me what proxy to use? I spent like an hour trying to do it through these random proxys i found and nearly every time i got to the steam site, it wouldnt let me login/purchase because the proxy had restrictions.
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ravn0s
Posted 08:31pm 26/10/09
http://anonymitynetwork.com/price.html

get the trial VPN from here
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Jabroney
Posted 09:01pm 26/10/09
i must be an idiot but i cant get that to work ravn0s. after signing up, getting my username/pw and setting up the vpn it keeps saying cant connect, username/pw wrong or some other shit
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ravn0s
Posted 09:17pm 26/10/09
you using the password they sent in the email? are you putting your email in correctly for the username?
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Jabroney
Posted 09:20pm 26/10/09
nevermind mate, fixed it and pre-ordered! i had to download that little vpn thingo
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ravn0s
Posted 09:24pm 26/10/09
lol
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Midda
Posted 10:46pm 26/10/09
I didn't even have to change the state or postcode. All I did was change the country and it worked.
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DM
Posted 11:04pm 26/10/09
All this info is confusing me. Do I need this VPN thing or can I just use a proxy in my browser and buy it through the website store instead of the actual steam program?
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Jabroney
Posted 11:05pm 26/10/09
All this info is confusing me. Do I need this VPN thing or can I just use a proxy in my browser and buy it through the website store instead of the actual steam program?


probably u can do it that way, but to make things easy just go to the link ravnos posted and get the free 3hr trial and then u download a tiny vpn file and set it up.
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ravn0s
Posted 11:09pm 26/10/09
I didn't even have to change the state or postcode. All I did was change the country and it worked.


must be diff for UK store. did you have to input state and zipcode yourself? with US as country you have to choose the state from a drop down box before it would let you continue.
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ctd
Posted 11:29pm 26/10/09
heh sorry to whoever I said you cant get a refund on steam. You can get a refund on a preorder if the game isn't out yet.
https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=4938-WTDF-9465

So if you wanna change from the aussie version gogogo :)


^ Moderately funny.
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Midda
Posted 11:30pm 26/10/09
Oh, yeah, well when you select UK, it's like it is when selecting Australia. It lets you actually type in a state, rather than selecting from a list. I also found that the conversion from pounds to AUD was a few dollars better than going from USD to AUD.
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rrrocket
Posted 12:08am 27/10/09
I've done it successfully vis the VPN. Bought it from US store. Pre-loading demo now :)
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Monoxide
Posted 02:37am 27/10/09
I bought mine from here http://www.haloboosting.com/l4d2.aspx. No way they can check my CC details and this is way cheaper than buying it single and its the US version. Demo preloaded and ready to rock!
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HERMITech
Posted 10:48pm 27/10/09
Interesting thing with the accidental *.ncf included Borderlands for the .AU version that wasn't present in the .US version which has since been pulled an cited as an accident....
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Martz
Posted 01:42am 30/10/09
how do I get l4d2 refunded? I wanna try this vpn shizzle.
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qmass
Posted 03:25am 30/10/09
So I just read this on the SA forum (where people with skills post apparently)

Here's a fix for the censored versions of the demo.
Just requires editing of two text files.



and




Then apparently you have to run left4dead2.exe in the game folder, not through Steam and to connect to a server it must be running with app id 510 as well.

last edited by qmass at 03:25:31 30/Oct/09
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Martz
Posted 08:10am 30/10/09
Hey Ravnos, can you do a basic step by step tutorial on this VPN stuff? I played L4D2 last night for 5min and quit, I need gore man!!!
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Midda
Posted 09:02am 30/10/09
Not sure why the appid doesn't work with 590. Mine is uncensored, and my appid is 590.
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Beanith
Posted 09:25am 30/10/09
LOTUK posted this in the other L4D2 thread (the demo one)

FYI for those who haven't bought the game yet, the following painless method worked for me (presuming they don't crack down on it):

1) browse to http://store.steampowered.com/?cc=uk
2) log in using your normal steam account
3) Buy the game for yourself
4) Change your country when paying at the checkout to United Kingdom (you can leave all the other Aussie details as is)
5) An open as window should appear where you can click OK to add it to steam (I don't think this part is necessary, but just saying what I did)
6) You now have the uncut version (at least I'm playing the uncut demo, so presumably this means the full version will be uncut)


I did it this morning, worked perfectly. Limbs flying, exposed spinal columns with a sniper rifle etc
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Martz
Posted 11:04am 30/10/09
is there any difference between uk and us versions?
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ravn0s
Posted 11:10am 30/10/09
no
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H@MMER
Posted 08:26pm 30/10/09
TROG.... Check your PM for the solution.
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TiT
Posted 09:29pm 30/10/09
YES I DID WHAT BEANITH DID... i got my money back from steam this morning for AU version then did what Beanith did!
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Anoyed
Posted 03:32pm 02/11/09
I did what Beanith did and this is what it says and this is what it says in my account info thing

Left 4 Dead 2 (preorder)
Left 4 Dead 2 Demo (AU)

does that mean i have the Aussie demo and the UK preorder or what. i thought people were playing the UK demo version...
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ctd
Posted 03:43pm 02/11/09
It means you have the complimentary aussie demo. You also still have the uk/us demo.
Everyone gets the AU demo if you login from AU. It is the public demo. Not the pre-order demo.

For example over the weekend my mate bought the game using a VPN. it now says in his account because he logged in from the UK vpn and from normal AU address.
Left 4 Dead 2 (preorder)
Left 4 Dead 2 Demo (AU)
Left 4 Dead 2 Demo
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Anoyed
Posted 05:53pm 02/11/09
sooo how do i play the US/UK demo? im downloading "Left 4 Dead 2 Demo" in steam which i have logged on in Ausstralia i presume. Which demo am i downloading?
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Reverend Evil™
Posted 05:56pm 02/11/09
It means you'll get the AUS one if you didn't use any trickery.

Have fun with your low violence.
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FraktuRe
Posted 06:00pm 02/11/09
EB is selling l4d2 for $110 on PC and xbox.

They're also selling mw2 for $120 on PC and xbox.

They're selling second hand copies fo cod4 for $80


I fucking lol'd.
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ctd
Posted 06:14pm 02/11/09

It means you'll get the AUS one if you didn't use any trickery.

Have fun with your low violence.

He said that he did use trickery.

Everyone in AUS gets that complimentary demo in their account. Regardless of how or where you got L4D2 from. Soon as you login to steam it will detect that you are from AUS so it will auto add that to your account. It is for the public demo which isn't out for a few days.

I'd say you are downloading the gore version. Assuming you were successful in buying the UK l4d2.


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Reverend Evil™
Posted 06:21pm 02/11/09
No he didn't. He asked how to play the US/UK one. He never said he leeched the US/UK version.

So I'm assuming he wants to know how to make it full gore, unless I'm assuming something different.
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Reverend Evil™
Posted 06:23pm 02/11/09
I appologize ctd.

I missed the bit further up.

Sorry mate!

8-)
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DM
Posted 06:52pm 02/11/09
My new steam account with L4D2 on it says "Left 4 Dead 2 Demo (AU)" in the account section but I still have full violence and all. IDK what that means.
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Anoyed
Posted 09:52pm 02/11/09
AWESOME! thanks for the help guys. much apreciated. when it finaly finishes downloading i'll tell you how it goes. but im feeling much happier about it now :D
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Anoyed
Posted 11:15pm 02/11/09
It works!!! im very happy. everyone should do this! everyone from Aus anyway. i hate that everyone hates australia :(
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eXemplar
Posted 12:49am 03/11/09
So far the most annoying thing about the us copy is you tend to get us servers, but since I don't have the AU one not entirely sure if it's a US specific problem. Setting 'sv_search_key internode' or 3fl or something from a google works well.
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Tremble
Posted 01:25am 03/11/09
So far the most annoying thing about the us copy is you tend to get us servers, but since I don't have the AU one not entirely sure if it's a US specific problem. Setting 'sv_search_key internode' or 3fl or something from a google works well.


Are you sure you don't have your Steam region set to USA. I set mine to Los Angeles to test if the demo would update to the censored intro version, and I suddenly get american servers in L4D1, which was bought in Australia. The US version shouldn't be going to US servers.
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Reverend Evil™
Posted 02:02am 03/11/09
It works!!! im very happy

Gratz!

Now we've just gotta hope it stays that way for the full version.

8-)
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Khel
Posted 02:19am 03/11/09
I've got the US version and I regularly end up on Gamearena or Internode servers.
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ravn0s
Posted 08:47am 03/11/09
just join the ga and 3fl steam groups if youre having trouble connecting to those servers.
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aputtytat
Posted 03:29pm 26/11/09
I got the uncensored international version of the game for sale , if anyone is interested just drop me a mail at [email protected]

got a few copies for sale...
cheers
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darkjedi
Posted 03:36pm 26/11/09
Oh hi new poster with 1 post offering to sell stuff with a Gmail address.
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Pinky
Posted 03:56pm 26/11/09
Left 4 Dead 2 RC classification and R18+ category for games in general was raised in The Age Greenguide today with this article by Matt de Neef
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