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Eclipse on 13"
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
6222 posts
Maybe someone here can help... maybe not, we'll see :)

I'm looking to get a new notebook to replace my aging 15" MacBook Pro. While it's plenty powerful enough (but lacks enough memory), it's also on OSX. I want to go back to Windows 7.

It won't be used for a great deal - Eclipse will be its main use. My question is: Will 13" be sufficient? I've tended to find 1680x1050 pretty difficult even on the 15.

I'm also after suggestions of options. If I went 13" it would be purely so I can go with an Ultrabook. The three main options I'm looking at would be a MacBook Air with Windows 7 on it; An ASUS ZenBook, but the lower res screen is a downside; and a Toshiba R830, because it has WiDi.

Other requirements would be that it's an i7 with 8GB RAM and an SSD.
Perhaps others have seen a few that I've not spotted yet?

I'd also certainly consider lightweight, high-resolution, small-bevel 15" notebooks/ultrabooks.
03:20pm 05/12/11 Permalink
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teq
Brisbane, Queensland
12083 posts
why not just throw 4 or 8gb ram in your mbp and run windows 7 on it?
heaps cheaper
03:23pm 05/12/11 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
11649 posts
Eclipse as in the programming IDE?

Really it comes down to resolution, not screen size. 1680x1050 is pretty small on 15". You could always just run a lower res - shouldn't really matter if you're programming, right?
03:25pm 05/12/11 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
6223 posts
Yes, as in the IDE. And yeah, that's why I pointed out that the MBA is an option, because it's a 1440x900 display, whereas it seems the Acer and ASUS Ultrabooks are 1366x768, unless there's a screen option I've not found.
It's about real-estate ultimately.

Oh, also, the Toshiba is the Z830, not R830, silly me. But it's still a 1366 display :(


As for putting 8gb in the MBP, because it will only take 3GB, it was the first gen C2D one that had that limit. If I were gonna reinstall, I'd wanna put an SSD in it, and I'm not sure if it'll even support TRIM/AHCI.

Edit: Looks like the ASUS Zenbook UX31 is what I should be looking at - 1600x900 on a 13".

last edited by Raven at 15:43:43 05/Dec/11
03:36pm 05/12/11 Permalink
Nerfy
Brisbane, Queensland
4915 posts
Eclipse on 1440x900, which is what I'm on right now.
03:52pm 05/12/11 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
6224 posts
Yea, see I tend to roll more like this:
http://imageshack.us/f/442/eclipsev.png :P
04:01pm 05/12/11 Permalink
Nerfy
Brisbane, Queensland
4916 posts
Hrm, yours seems to make better use of space...

edit: Oh wait that resolution's huge. :P
04:04pm 05/12/11 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
6225 posts
Yeah, the Views are bigger than I'd normally have, but I tend to always have all sides docked. In debug mode I use North as well.
04:15pm 05/12/11 Permalink
Dazhel
Gold Coast, Queensland
4213 posts
1600x900 on a 13".


Ouch, you'd need superhuman eyesight to read that screen, surely?
If you're used to 15" now I reckon it'd suck to drop down to 13", at any res & you'd probably regret it.
Plus, if you change away from the native res it can make the image too blurry.
04:36pm 05/12/11 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
11651 posts
TBH, I don't even know how you program regularly on a lappy. I need a real keyboard to program efficiently. The k/b size of a 13" would shit me far more than any screen res issue.
05:08pm 05/12/11 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
6226 posts
Ouch, you'd need superhuman eyesight to read that screen, surely?

Modern Operating Systems are resolution independent. Why do you think they give us 4096x4096 icons and other resources?

As for efficiency, totally, but this is only for while I'm on the train etc, so I can get some progress made.
06:34pm 05/12/11 Permalink
Timmeh
Brisbane, Queensland
1489 posts
whats eclispe for?

oh and mac book?
06:36pm 05/12/11 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
6227 posts
Eclipse is an IDE, primarily for Java development but with support for a heap more including GWT and Flex development.
06:43pm 05/12/11 Permalink
Nerfy
Brisbane, Queensland
4918 posts
Do you use GWT Raven?
06:48pm 05/12/11 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
6228 posts
Yes, I've recently started using it for a project.
07:36pm 05/12/11 Permalink
Nerfy
Brisbane, Queensland
4921 posts
Rad. I have pretty mad GWT skills, so long as it's within the Java/Javascript bridging domain (I don't do html construction with it, I just render my entire mini OS to a html5 canvas). You should pay me enormous made up consulting fees if you get stuck. :P
08:02pm 05/12/11 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
6229 posts
Don't laugh, I may be prepared to do so. Maybe not enormous fees, but on-the-side pays a few cartons of beer fees - it's a personal project, not for work.

In fact I was prepared to pay someone to help me get the same project working with XWT. I actually gave up and moved it to GWT because XWT was too problematic.
08:05pm 05/12/11 Permalink
Nerfy
Brisbane, Queensland
4922 posts
I used to know a lot, but then I learned more. If you have any questions though feel free to shoot them at me. My specialities include optimised data classes which the compiler switches on depending on whether it's for client or server, native code and writing optimised JavaScript loops, and a million other tricks which I just take for granted now.
08:44pm 05/12/11 Permalink
simul
Brisbane, Queensland
1257 posts
blerk @ GWT.
03:49am 06/12/11 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
6242 posts
Crisis averted. JB Hi Fi had 15% off all notebooks, so picked up a 13" i5 ZenBook for under $1200.
10:41pm 07/12/11 Permalink
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