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Frag Terminator
Adelaide, South Australia
219 posts
Well, if you're wondering what LAN's to go to this weekend, my recommendation is LAN SA, which is on friday night, till saturday at lunch, and its a pretty good value LAN, which includes...
2 free softdrinks
free BBQ dinner
free BBQ Breky
screen projection system
Comps
useage of gaming console system
and some excellent prizes are in store, but i've been told to keep quiet =P Last time FTP was pushing 7500kb/s to 10000kb/s, but since they have new switches, we can expect blazingly fast gameplay and ftp usage.
after that is Plexus 2.1K, which starts at lunch on saturday till sunday afternoon. Which should be awesome, so bring your sleeping bags along kiddies =P
oh, and if you don't want to d/l CS 1.1 or HL patch, it'll be up on both FTP servers at both LAN's. To register for either you'll need to go via ausgamers...@ www.ausgamers.com. At the time of writing this post, LAN SA is currently full. However plexus isn't full. If you consider yourself hardcore, then sign up for plexus and see if you can survive...

Frag Terminator


01:23am 14/03/01 Permalink
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kwijibo
Adelaide, South Australia
12 posts
What games are usually played at LANSA? I was thinking of going along this weekend but don't wanna walk in to see 100% CS players :)
09:10pm 21/03/01 Permalink
Frag Terminator
Adelaide, South Australia
470 posts
well its on again this weekend, and im sure plenty of ppl will give u a thrash on q3, starcraft, any game really, just bring it along and holler
10:24pm 21/03/01 Permalink
m
Adelaide, South Australia
2 posts
mmm, ftp wont be getting much faster.
lets use some maths, 100Mb card = 12.5MB/s which doesnt include any overheads, - 8% for some overheads, ie frame type detection, autosensing etc etc gives you 11.5MBs (this is ignoring the fact that once a ethernet network reaches 30-40% utiliztion it is considered saturated, and avalibe bandwidth plummets to around 3-4Mbs on a 10Mb segment, but hey for you im using ideals... so you dont look quite as wrong)
which assumming you arent making up those figures leave a huge possible speed increase of... 1.5MB/s, me thinks, you need to run a couple 100Mb cards, not too many or else then your PCI bus will be the limiting factor..... 32bit 33Mhz, is kinda shit on a regular mobo.

using an average of 9000Kbs that equates too 388.9GB passed for a 6hour lan... you lie, you lie and you suck at it.

why dont you just check the port the server is plugged into on the switch and read the I/O traffic from the managment console.... huh huh?

what sort of switches are they?? i can lend a supervisor module of a 6500... it needs its OS reconfigued and the rest of it, but it is cool. worth $50000 or so =), i sat opn it just before which is why i remembered about it. LOL
03:30pm 27/03/01 Permalink
Frag Terminator
Adelaide, South Australia
607 posts
i am not a computer technican, i was merely guessing, and i was given informattion from ppl who thrashed the FTP server dude, i go to play games not drool on ftp, apart from porn =P
04:38pm 27/03/01 Permalink
Supfull
Adelaide, South Australia
17 posts
every client puter that comes to the lan is plugged directly into the main Network Backbone being stacked switches, higher bandwidth.

i noticed during the night when doing an ftp of a large program that the trans rate went above 10000 to approx 12000..laugh if you will ;P, then jumped very quickly down to 8000 then stayed consistantly at 7000+ ..ask most people that go to the lan and they will prolly say the same thing ;)

btw "m" you left out a lot of other factors that can affect ftp speeds, but since you dont know bout them, no harm done LOL

very nice ;)

yea ftp has not gotten a lot faster (wer'e working on it), just a lot more consistant ;P

- Supfull
LanSA
12:02am 28/03/01 Permalink
Supfull
Adelaide, South Australia
18 posts
12:16am 28/03/01 Permalink
Bass
Adelaide, South Australia
10 posts
Considering I managed to transfer 5 gig in under 10 minutes at one of the LANSA's, I'd say the FTP was pretty much fast enogh =)
03:43am 28/03/01 Permalink
cej
Adelaide, South Australia
243 posts
lan sa ftps rock :D
11:01am 28/03/01 Permalink
Frag Terminator
Adelaide, South Australia
631 posts
so any one else questioning my authority now ? huh ? =P

mebbe i should be a comp. tech. after all teehehehe.

i transfered 3.5 gigs of hardcore pron in under 5 mins so no complaints here =) also, a lot of people were pleased to get hold of my AAA pr0n =D

LAN me up ;)

12:41pm 28/03/01 Permalink
m
Adelaide, South Australia
5 posts
me transfered 400Gb in 3:22sec so suck =)
But thats cause i know what im fdoing and have the hardwar
Supfull: stacked switches do not provide higher bandwidth they just reduce the bottleneck of cascaded switches... but you knew that right, you just wanted to see if i did LOL.

Supfull (again): i didnt mention everything relating to ftp transfer speeds, because the list would be huge... i mean lets list a few more hardware factors.
IDE or SCSI.. IDE means you only have one drive per chain functioning at once, most drives only output about 20Mbs sustained when reading optimised data, a ftp server with uploads does not have an optimised disk.
RAID... what version if any raid was in use, again has important implications on FTP speed, number of concurrent users, the more users the slower the aggregate transfer rate as they are all accessing differnet files, therfore the slow arse IDE disks cop a hammering.
i also not you have removed units in you quotes, ie over 10000, not over 10000Kbs or 10000KBs, ther is a factor of 8 diffence, i regularry transfer at 70Mbs between my 2 servers at home, which is only around 8.5MBs.

Either way the best.easiest/cheapest way to setup an FTP is as follows =)
1x2Gig for OS (Linux or other unix like, or even Win2KAS)
3x20Gig 7200rpm ATA100 Drives RAID 5 for data
3x10/100 NICS
Then put one of the Patch leads into each of the core switches. Or in your case you use Stacks so wack a connection in the top middle and bottom Switches, assign IP's to each nic and disable routing IP forwardwing etc etc, all that boring crap and happy happy joy joy for everyone. +0

As you can tell im bored right now, but hey im getting paid so i cant complain LOL
01:56pm 30/03/01 Permalink
Supfull
Adelaide, South Australia
20 posts
...stacked switches do not provide higher bandwidth they just reduce the bottleneck of cascaded switches...
-stacked switches provide higher bandwidth between the Switches, dont they....? lol

-no real use talking bout ide vs scsi as most client puters use 100 mbit or 10 mbit cards. most of the ata100 ide's of todays standard compare very well to scsi's anyhow ;)

-yea removed units, well i just try to make things simple for people to read and understand, majority of people dont care about the posting of a unit on the end of a number, with the exception of yourself ofcourse ;P...but hey...i'll try harder for u next time ;B

Thanks for the kewl info m, im keen to test some of your stuff now ;)
-Supps
03:12pm 30/03/01 Permalink
cej
Adelaide, South Australia
261 posts
an ftp is an ftp to me :)
10:52pm 01/04/01 Permalink
Frag Terminator
Adelaide, South Australia
647 posts
dont u just love it when 2 comp tech. duke it out?

02:35pm 02/04/01 Permalink
cej
Adelaide, South Australia
267 posts
frag loves it when him and buz "duke" it out
05:41pm 02/04/01 Permalink
m
Adelaide, South Australia
7 posts
Heres one i prepared earlier:
… bandwidth does not increase to the FTP server, FTP server will still be sitting on a 10/100 Connection, whether you are running one big core switch, cascaded switches, or stacked switches, either way your FTP is still limited to 100Mbs, I mean you may have a gigabit backplane or even higher between your stacked switches but really that is pretty pissy, a 24Port Intel switch has around 9.1Gb backplane. If you wanna go to the high end switches a 6500 series has 256Gb backplane, which really does make you backpplane all the smaller, especially as each stacked switch must share the bandwidth with all the other switches in the stack, off the point there but either way your server gets just 100, stacked switches do not provide higher bandwidth to the ports, only to the switching fabric. Which returns me to the point that your server will only have around 8600KBs traffic to and from it at any one time.

What does the clients HDD got to do with the FTP server, my HDD can most certainly write faster than 20MBs saturating the LAN link “no real use talking bout ide vs scsi as most client puters use 100 mbit or 10 mbit cards” Oh yeah and people do have other things other than 1 10/100, eg I have 3x10/100 cards =) but as my mum says, ‘m’ your special! LOL
IDE does not compare to SCSI, EnhancedIDE/ATAttached still uses the CPU to process DMA requests unlike SCSI, which uses the far superior DMA bus mastering method. Each drive on a IDE drive channel must wait for the bus to become free, before transmitting unlike SCSI, standard ATA100 drives are very slow, decent 7200rpm drives such as the IBM GXP75 which is among the fasted EIDE drives available today still have access time of around 8ms, decent SCSI drives on the other hand have access times of under 4ms, with disk sizes up to 180GB, compared to EIDE drives with sizes around the 80Gb mark, SCSI supports up to 160MBs transfer in standard Ultra-3 /Ultra160. Now obviously your not going to go waste money on a 160Gb drive, but there is still a significant difference between the 2 formats, even more when you consider Ultra320, which is a non-standard SCSI format atm
AS most FTP’s have more than one concurrent user on them at once, access times are a very very big factor in the speed your transfers, if the disk is spending a large portion of its time switching tracks to get user 1, 2, 3, and 4’s data it cant spend that time on data transfer.
If you have 12+ users on your Server at once and they are transferring smallish files, ie below 2MB then if you check the network performance of your server you will most likely find that there is still bandwidth available, consequently that SHOULD alert you to the fact that the drive is now the limiting factor.

The reason I was picky about the units as in this case it makes a HUGE difference between the numbers you specify. I mean that’s like say you have a 56KBs (as opposed 56Kbs) to modem, when in actual fact you really only have a 5Kbs modem

Really to minimise the impact of disk activity decent amounts of ram should be installed, Eg my work file server has 1Gig of ram, 12x9.1GB Ultra 2 SCSI (RAID 5, RAID 1) and uses a Gigabit net card into a FibreNet fibre switch. Depending on the user usage makes the server more dependant on bandwidth or disk usage, due to the configuration of this machine, there is really no performance bottle neck, other than the CPU which is a Dual Xeon 450 512Kbs, this sits around 69% utilized which is far to high, same with ram usage, it could prolly do with another Gig of Ram, but it only uses ECC Tier 1 RAM which costs a packet. I really cant remember what my point was in the first place but I don’t mind, I’m just getting my typing speed up, while I’m here.
While I’m here ill list the servers I have access to.
Quad Xeon 550 1Mb Cache, 256Mb RAM 3x9.1Gb SCSI RAID 5 2x9.1Gb SCSI RAID 1 [DIST]
Dual Xeon 450 512Kb cache, 1Gig RAM, 12x9.1GB SCSI RAID 5 and RAID 1
3 of them servers. [DUF31 DUF30 and DUU30]
IBM Netfinity 3000’s x2 [METAMARC for DUF30 and DUF34]
Dual 933’s 768Mb RAM 2x18.2GIG 15000rpm HDD x2servers [N/A]
Dual 866 684Mb RAM, 3x18.2Gig 15000rpm RAID 5 2x9.1GB RAID 1 [N/A]
Some POS Compaq box, 128Mb RAM, Xeon 400 2Mb [DUF34]
IBM Dual P-Pro 200’s 760, some ram and some HDD space but nothing special [ENTERPRISE]
HP PA-RISC 9000, with Storage enclosure of 200GB, including DLT 40/80GB [ADELAIDE]
I wont even bother listing the other less important ones, nor will I list the Network hardware. unless someone asks =), mind you ill only reply with network details if someone knows what a GBIC is, other wise ill assume you haven’t a clue… ill give you a hint, GigaBitInterfaceC___ and to help even more, you can plug GigaStack’s into them which are Proprietary Cisco Systems stuff…. All you need is the last three letters to get me to blabber more =)

One last point, whenever I specify RAID I’m referring to Hardware RAID, not software of Firmware crap.
Software being Windows/*nix based, which works to some degree but is a pain to setup on only a few drives and it considerably slower and more CPU intensive.
Then there is Firmware, which is what most people have on their motherboards, this is still done using microcode inside your ATA100/66 controller.
And the one that im talking about Hardware, dedicated Processing Unit, it i960 or other RISC based processor, with additional cache, which is something that firmware lacks, and becomes very obvious that it lacks it when placed under anything other than a light load.
Either way im going, my typing with eyes closed has improved, so I should do some work =)… don’t you love it when you do massive network upgrades on the Saturday and then come Monday everything is still fine and functioning… I do =)
01:38pm 03/04/01 Permalink
Frag Terminator
Adelaide, South Australia
652 posts
couldnt be fucked reading all that, point is, its fast, and im sastified with the network ftp speeds. so quit trying to impress.
02:29pm 03/04/01 Permalink
Supfull
Adelaide, South Australia
21 posts
i admire your attention to details 'm'.
Most people just post information like that and don't understand what they are typing, but i can tell your not one of those, keep up the good work mate ;) if you worked in the computer sales industry, i can think of nothing better than to buy hardware from you ;), there's nothing quite like buying hardware from a person that knows the technology, knows what they are talking about and can explain it well.

-supps
06:58pm 03/04/01 Permalink
cej
Adelaide, South Australia
276 posts
hmmms
"M" seems a lot like Stalin
hahahah, well his way of saying stuff and he's told me most of this stuff in emails so my guess is
"M" = Mike :)
08:13pm 03/04/01 Permalink
Frag Terminator
Adelaide, South Australia
669 posts
i wub u all. not.

bwhahahahaha *clink* *clunk* OW *CLUNK*
08:23pm 03/04/01 Permalink
cej
Adelaide, South Australia
284 posts
frag ur ruining a perfectly good thread shutup wiz ur bs :P
10:51pm 03/04/01 Permalink
BuZ
Adelaide, South Australia
124 posts
mike or nick but i don't care about that stuff all i go to lans is to get crap and play crap

crap = stuff

and i got tribes 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
11:12pm 03/04/01 Permalink
m
Adelaide, South Australia
9 posts
me(i mean 'm') stalin never. LOL
Cassidy - Frag is just trying to rack up more posts.
Soz about the huge posts, but i didnt really explain myslef particulary well in the first instance so i thought it best to do so.
Well, im glad someone guessed who i was =)
i just thought id keep posting till someone worked it out, and im glad i had some knowlegable fella to 'spar' with makes it all worth while hey supp =).

all i have to say is Fuck i love this job, fuck fuck fuckedy fuck. Some stoopid ugly chick (i dont do this to nice looking people, they get 'special' treatment) was writing a massive email, so big in fact that i had time to repatch 4 machines in a very neat and tidy cabinet with about 440 points.. those of you know know how long it takes to trace cat and replace it in a crowded cabinet will know what i mean.. well anyway shes writing this email, i return shes still writing it when i return, i go get a switch and give it to someone, then walk over to the server room, ban the particular email site she was on (we have a no webmail policy) then walk back and watch her click send ROLF.. it displayed "go get fucked you webmail slut.." or words to that effect then, she had a panic and then after about 5mins of fussing around trying to save her email she finally close IE and caused herself to loose the email. What fun, its soo sweet watching them sweat LOL!
Well ive had enough now, i was just trying to have a bit of a brain bash with someone, thanks suppfull, bye bye.
09:50am 04/04/01 Permalink
Frag Terminator
Adelaide, South Australia
673 posts
rack up posts? pft.
02:51pm 04/04/01 Permalink
cej
Adelaide, South Australia
286 posts
shutup frag :)
nah mike keep posting here :)
u make it intresting
i worked out who u were when i actually read ur posts and its just like the emails u've sent me and...in the valhalla post u say bout wanted Bastardly's address that was a a give away :) that and the T'bird thing
heheh im so educated
08:22pm 04/04/01 Permalink
cej
Adelaide, South Australia
287 posts
frag thats u and zell :)
08:24pm 04/04/01 Permalink
Frag Terminator
Adelaide, South Australia
681 posts
were you two lovers?

/me runs away.
11:20pm 04/04/01 Permalink
m
Adelaide, South Australia
15 posts
me have Dastardly's address and phone number =)
in fact i even know his parents names LOL

should be fun if he annoys me.

Im really thankfull that only 3 'computer' people actually know where i normally live. makes retaliation quite difficult... along with not knowing my 'real name'
eheh.
02:17pm 08/04/01 Permalink
Frag Terminator
Adelaide, South Australia
759 posts
shredder go hump a tree ok?
02:47pm 08/04/01 Permalink
cej
Adelaide, South Australia
320 posts
i know ur full real name and could find ur address out really easilly :)
hahahahha
09:04pm 08/04/01 Permalink
BuZ
Adelaide, South Australia
181 posts
go the mikester!
12:47am 09/04/01 Permalink
cej
Adelaide, South Australia
322 posts
nice 100th post
02:37pm 09/04/01 Permalink
BuZ
Adelaide, South Australia
182 posts
blah!
06:46pm 09/04/01 Permalink
cej
Adelaide, South Australia
328 posts
xzennon is there a banner for users who spam
08:04pm 09/04/01 Permalink
Frag Terminator
Adelaide, South Australia
772 posts
im soon closing on 1000 ausgamers posts.
08:06pm 09/04/01 Permalink
m
Adelaide, South Australia
21 posts
Thats just of my crappy house....
BTW i have mentioned to people who know where i live to keep there mouths shut.. i have done this along time ago, as even a couple of years ago i didnt really want 'computer people' rocking up to my house.. and bugging me big doggy =)

Plus i dont mind if you know where i live cause your a nice person =)

Plus i have good security.. ie spiked fences... strong doogy.... variuos weapons.. knives, bats, guns of various descriptions, and some particulary massive friends who would enjoy a spate of pay-back.

But im not really fussed, i sleep well at night, unless that dam chick is nudging me for a lot more lovin'
LOL
09:06am 11/04/01 Permalink
m
Adelaide, South Australia
24 posts
somewhere up in all my shit i mentioned that more than 3 NICS will begin to fill your PCI bus... sorry musta had a brain strain, cause thats bullshit.
Just thought id correct myself.
32bit*33Mhz = way more than 300Mbs
then you can have a 64bit PCI bus, you get even more, then of course you can have a 66Mhz PCI bus aswell...
so please just pretend i didnt say that ;-)
09:19am 11/04/01 Permalink
Frag Terminator
Adelaide, South Australia
790 posts
my understanding is that you cant do that, that a NIC cant run parralel to another nic effectively doubling pull rates, but u can multihone them to do different tasks.

correct me if im wrong.
06:08pm 11/04/01 Permalink
BuZ
Adelaide, South Australia
203 posts
the life of computing from me

.... gsmes

thank u for ur time
07:49pm 11/04/01 Permalink
cej
Adelaide, South Australia
334 posts
hey mike, expect me at ur house tomorrow with me computer hahahahahahha
im kidding :)

oh and the life of computers for giles
...Spam and Annoy

it's pple like u that make the internet a bad place.....

haha

oh and its G-A-M-E-S not GSMES
i wanna GSMES
hhehehe
11:10pm 11/04/01 Permalink
BuZ
Adelaide, South Australia
207 posts
u know what cass go and fuck urself
11:35pm 11/04/01 Permalink
cej
Adelaide, South Australia
340 posts
tried it, cant do it sorry
11:50pm 11/04/01 Permalink
m
Adelaide, South Australia
26 posts
Frag you are wrong.. you can do network load balancing... balancing the laod of the incoming packets over avalibe nics..
you can then do etherchannel, which basically makes mulitple nics have 1 MAC address....
explain more when i have time...

you need Advanced Server or Linux to make good use of more than 1 NIC.

you can assign traffic to specific IP's ie FTP to NIC 1, http UDP to nic2 etc etc
10:38am 12/04/01 Permalink
Frag Terminator
Adelaide, South Australia
802 posts
thx man
04:27pm 12/04/01 Permalink
Seabird2k
Adelaide, South Australia
128 posts
whens the next lansa ?

!seen Supfull

.... ?

BRING ON LAN SA!!!!!!!

:)
01:02am 01/08/07 Permalink
Xzennon
Adelaide, South Australia
2076 posts
its very norti to ressurect old posts like this
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