Why do Hamas keep stirring up Israel? They must know they are going to get smashed. A combination of some pretty serious oppression and stupid religious bullshit.
yeah I know all the historical, religious, political reasons.
I guess my point was more to it just stirs Israel up. they must know Israel doesn't just take it. can't talk sense to zealots I know.
Wasn't the strike in response to some rocket attacks after a period of relative quiet?
Yea I think so, but this really rustled their jimmies.
Around 380 rockets launched at Israel since that strike according to The Age, afaik only one of those rockets had any effect, hitting an apartment and killing 3 civilians inside. Not that it really matters but I wonder what it costs Israel to knock that many rockets out of the sky with Iron Dome.
Yea I think so, but this really rustled their jimmies.Around 380 rockets launched at Israel since that strike according to The Age, afaik only one of those rockets had any effect, hitting an apartment and killing 3 civilians inside. Not that it really matters but I wonder what it costs Israel to knock that many rockets out of the sky with Iron Dome.
Apparently each launchers load out of missiles costs aprox 50 million .. looks like there is about 20~ missiles per 'loadout'.
Wasn't the strike in response to some rocket attacks after a period of relative quiet?
Yeah it's just continued tit for tat... Hamas is always the one to throw the first stone though.... they use very dirty tactics too... like putting positions they know will be struck by the IDF in heavily populated civilian areas... More dead civilians, more support from the people for the radical Islamic Hamas 'political' party.
Deputy Hamas Minister: "The Jews, just like a cancer, operate via dormant cells, until the body collapses"
I used to be all for Israel, what with being told their religion is the true owner of the land etc. at high school, but find myself more and more on the Palestinians' side.
Gaza aside, I reckon that the Israeli government is one of the largest threats to (relative) world peace over the next decade or so. Their Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, has been posturing for a while now about attacking Iran before they develop nuclear power whether or not he be backed by the US. He is in command of a nuclear arsenal.
This and the oppressive, ghetto-like blockade of the Gaza strip all seems a bit hypocritical to me, especially considering the recent history of a certain religious group.
I'm the opposite I side with Israel(not support) because Palestine target anyone and everyone, children, woman, whoever whereas Israel tries to target military. Not very well because of where Palestine place their stuff. It's all screwed up and has been for thousands of years though.
380+ rockets fired and only 3 deaths, I'd say they hit some facey.
I'm the opposite I side with Israel(not support) because Palestine target anyone and everyone, children, woman, whoever whereas Israel tries to target military. Not very well because of where Palestine place their stuff. It's all screwed up and has been for thousands of years though.
I was thinking about this when I saw the pics/footage of the strike on the Hamas military commander, they hit it with something precise and low yield, the front of the car looked untouched and seemingly no collateral damage from the strike. Pretty impressive given that they were driving down a two lane street with buildings either side.
Yeah, Israel have come off as dicks in the past, but its hard not to side with them on this one when Palestine is rocketting civilians and then hiding behind civilians. Of course, Israel will probably over-react and heaps of innocent people will die, like the last time they rolled in, and thats not right either, but they're the lesser of two evils I guess.
see, i don't know, something about trying to economically strangle a Provence and making the civilians suffer kind of negates the tactical positioning of the Palestinians.
Israel is powerful because of political support, if Palestine force civilian casualties then Israel loses that support, The Palestinian lives are pretty miserable by keeping the status quo.
Iron Dome is ridiculously accurate. It misses a target every now and then, but very few other countries have been able to get a missile defense system that's close to being as accurate.
The whole claim of "but only two hit"... WTF, who cares how many hit? When someone's sitting opposite you pelting rocks at you, you don't just sit and wait for them to eventually hit you. And when they do finally hit you, you come down like a ton of bricks, not pick up the rock and throw it back.
it's like when dickhead kids throw rocks at a dog, hit it with sticks because it is safe in a fence, then on the day the dog gets out and mauls the kids, it is the dogs fault
I think Israel plays the "everyone hates Jews" card a lot while simultaneously threatening its neighbors with pre-emtive strikes and blockades. Hamass are dicks ofcorse but Israel's goverment is not a whole lot better. I also don't understand why part of America has a hard on for Israel, Some sort of christen sympathy for the Jews?
Great footage here from a wedding of all places. So calm, just doing its thing in the background. Looks like one of the last ones might have hit the rocket directly. Skip to 0:45.
I think Israel plays the "everyone hates Jews" card a lot while simultaneously threatening its neighbors with pre-emtive strikes and blockades. Hamass are dicks ofcorse but Israel's goverment is not a whole lot better. I also don't understand why part of America has a hard on for Israel, Some sort of christen sympathy for the Jews?
I also don't understand why part of America has a hard on for Israel, Some sort of christen sympathy for the Jews?
This may sound crazy, but I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that it could have something to do with the iconic christian figure known as Jesus Christ having been born in the town of Bethlehem, which is in Israel. It is also widely know that this Jesus Christ person was referred to as the King of the Jews. Then there is the fact that many of the events in a christian book called The Holy Bible took place in that area.
This may sound crazy, but I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that it could have something to do with the iconic christian figure known as Jesus Christ having been born in the town of Bethlehem, which is in Israel. It is also widely know that this Jesus Christ person was referred to as the King of the Jews. Then there is the fact that many of the events in a christian book called The Holy Bible took place in that area.
I think a big part of it started in the Cold War from the fact that the US was afraid that a lot of the Arab countries in the region were tending towards friendliness with the Soviets. There were a lot of perks from their friendliness with Israel, including the sharing of all information about Soviet technology captured by the Israelis in fighting the Arabs.
Not to mention the large, powerful and well-funded Jewish lobbies in the US.
i'm not one for choosing political sides, esp in this argument, but Israel should just keep to what they were given. None of this territorial expansionsim bullshit. No im not anti-sematic, or a terrorist for that matter, but you can hardly blame Hamas as terrorists when you see what they are doing for themselves.
I actually wonder if people who are pro-Israeli know exactly what their support means.
More than 130 Palestinian rockets have been fired towards Israel over the past 24 hours, revealing the inefficiency of Israel’s Iron Dome missile system which has intercepted merely 27 of them.
The Iron Dome has been established with the financial support of the United States. In May, the US House of Representatives appropriated 947 million dollars to the Iron Dome, nicknamed “David's Sling,†and a long-range Arrow missile program in Israel.
A Billion dollars to slightly improve Israels defense.
It cant go on, Israel will become to costly to keep afloat soon.
Then what happens ?
What do you expect, it's a "news" site based in Iran, you know, that country whose leader called for Israel to be wiped from the face of the earth?
For someone who seems to relish in the uncovering of hidden truths, he sure seems to frequent a lot of nauseatingly biased and single-minded sites.
The people I feel most sorry for in this situation are the Palestinian civilians. They've got Israel shitting all over them on one side and on the other they have organisations like Hamas, Fatah and the Muslim Brotherhood exploiting the Palestinian's terribly oppressed position to further their moronic religious wars.
A Billion dollars to slightly improve Israels defense. It cant go on, Israel will become to costly to keep afloat soon. Then what happens ?
Your links say only 27 where as ABC news report that on Friday 66 rockets landed in Israeli territory while 99 were intercepted. The numbers are probably always going to be skewed but the fact is that after hundreds of rockets only 3 Israelis have been killed. I'd say it's worth it.
Edit: LOL just saw above that your news is from Iran... was not worth responding to in hindsight.
Because its always better to hear the view from the Israeli side only ?
You do remember how the Media portrayed Syria to be completely overrun with Rebels ? Press.ir didnt and were correct.
No facey I don't remember anyone saying that Syria was over run with rebels, the amount of Syrian Defence Force units slaughtering rebel pockets for the last 19 months should make that all too obvious. When Iran calls for Israel to be wiped off the map they lose all credibility in regards to Israel. It's pretty simple.
When Iran calls for Israel to be wiped off the map they lose all credibility in regards to Israel.
Just another news source, You're never going to get an accurate idea about the Israel / Palestinian saga by just following one sided biased media.... mostly because they pander to people like this :
Doesn't that just show that Khamenei and Ahmadinejad are completely sloppy and disorganised? The Nazis philosophy was evil and they committed countless acts of atrocities but the least you can say about them is they got shit done.
Just another news source, You're never going to get an accurate idea about the Israel / Palestinian saga by just following one sided biased media....
I'm not implying that there is an unbias news source but it sure is easy to see who the most extreme and most bias are and disregard them. They're an anomaly.
Noted Hogy. How is anomaly not the right word for this? Iranian commentary on anything Israeli is going to way out of step with most media, it's an anomaly.
An honest look at the history of Palestine which totally ignores Israel.
Even if Israel disappeared tomorrow Egypt,Jordan and Syria would fight over Palestine.
Great video FaceMan, it's relatively clear to see that most of the world's current political clusterfucks are pretty much entirely the result of the colonialsm and arrogant meddling of the old empires. Can't help but wonder how awesome Iran could have been today without the UK and US ruining everything just when they were heading in the right direction, just so the UK could keep taking Iran's oil.
Also, those videos of the Iron Dome in action are always awe inspiring, but as Facey said they just don't seem financially sustainable in the long term. Even after they have invested in all the infrastructure, they're still spending many times more on the highly sophisticated interceptor missiles than the other side spends on their cheap, low tech rockets.
It's time they started working on some sort of awesome high powered laser ABM system!
So what happens when the rockets hit the targets? Does it rain down twisted metal over everyone?
The computer systems try to intercept them at a point where the debris will not fall on populated areas, but i imagine that may not be possible sometimes.
I find it easiest to remember that Winston Churchill and the UK are to blame for pretty much every political shitfight going on these days, especially in the Middle East. What a team we used to have!
But translators in Tehran who work for the president's office and the foreign ministry disagree with them. All official translations of Mr. Ahmadinejad's statement, including a description of it on his Web site (www.president.ir/eng/), refer to wiping Israel away. Sohrab Mahdavi, one of Iran's most prominent translators, and Siamak Namazi, managing director of a Tehran consulting firm, who is bilingual, both say "wipe off" or "wipe away" is more accurate than "vanish" because the Persian verb is active and transitive.
There is always going to be ambiguity and contention when it comes to translating between such dissimilar languages, especially when translating idioms.
However, when the official website of the person quoted had the official translation as referring to Israel/the Zionist Regime being wiped away, I feel pretty confident in referring to him as someone who has conveyed that desire.
Bus bombing caused that cease fire.
I wonder who did that ?
So who won out of this ?
Israel got to test what rockets Gaza has and demonstrate Iron Dome.
Egypt got to show its a big player with Israel.
Hezbollah refused to be lured into the conflict.
Winner is Egypt.
Loser ? always the poor Palistinians.
Best new Meme: Iron Dome (i love that name)
I simply don't understand the Israeli strategy for dealing with the tunnels.
Why would they not capture the tunnels, lay high explosives underground within them, and collapse them over a wide area - not attack them from the air which does only limited damage to an underground target?
I simply don't understand the Israeli strategy for dealing with the tunnels. Why would they not capture the tunnels, lay high explosives underground within them, and collapse them over a wide area - not attack them from the air which does only limited damage to an underground target?
Because if you shut those tunnels there will be mass famine in Gaza, and then the world's sympathy would turn against Israel.
the trigger point as far as I remember was a couple of mortar strikes on Israeli check points, more to the point, the first was claimed as an error, and israel fired a warning shot, and took hamas word, then it happened again, and israels response was to remove the mortar team (a success) hamas complained, and fired a few rocket, and then head of Hamas's military was removed
as far as I see it, Hamas was warned, pushed it's luck, and sure the reaction was a lot heavy handed, but it wasn't like they weren't warned
honestly, what did hamas think would happen?, it would be akin the canada striking the US, then claiming foul after having their arses handed to them
I don't give a shit about Israel or Hamas, THIS is what i give a shit about:
Back to work, i'm developing a mobile app that will wipe the middle east off the map with a press of a button, then another button that will spread homosexual aids.
so, the dead eyes opened?, or is it pallywood?also, it would be interesting to see the ratios of mil/civ deaths, as I know at one point israel was killing 1:30 (one civ death to 30 mil deaths)while hamas was 3:2 (thats 3 civs to every 2 mil) so while it is shocking to see such photos, how much truth is in the image ( their stock in truth has been lowing with a few staged photos after all)
I've heard much worse numbers in regards to the ratio but I've seen IDF (aka biased) footage of strikes where they delay while civs go by and exit the strike area. Also saw a vid of a house being hit with an air strike, apparently filmed by the owner of the house after the got a call saying to leave by a certain time. I think they make real efforts to reduce civ deaths but at the same time are willing to accept them as collateral. It is war after all.
also, it would be interesting to see the ratios of mil/civ deaths, as I know at one point israel was killing 1:30 (one civ death to 30 mil deaths)
while hamas was 3:2 (thats 3 civs to every 2 mil)
that's not right, more children have been killed in Palestine by IDF fire than Israelite Civilians, and Palestine has a smaller population.
Also saw a vid of a house being hit with an air strike, apparently filmed by the owner of the house after the got a call saying to leave by a certain time. I think they make real efforts to reduce civ deaths but at the same time are willing to accept them as collateral. It is war after all.
I've seen footage of Hamas troops running out to grab a kid out of the firing line. he was hiding behind a pillar and the guy runs out, grabs the kid by the backpack and carries him to where everyone else was taking cover.
that's not right, more children have been killed in Palestine by IDF fire than Israelite Civilians, and Palestine has a smaller population.
Well there's a difference between ratios of military to civilian deaths and ratios of civilian deaths to total population. I do find that 1:30 very hard to believe though.
Regardless, ratios don't mean much at all when the numbers of people killed by the Israeli military dwarfs those of the Palestinian militants. For example last time Israel conducted a ground invasion of Gaza the death toll was somewhere in the area of 13 Israelis to around 1,200-1,400 Palestinians/militants.
Well there's a difference between ratios of military to civilian deaths and ratios of civilian deaths to total population. I do find that 1:30 very hard to believe though.Regardless, ratios don't mean much at all when the numbers of people killed by the Israeli military dwarfs those of the Palestinian militants. For example last time Israel conducted a ground invasion of Gaza the death toll was somewhere in the area of 13 Israelis to around 1,200-1,400 Palestinians/militants.
This is why they need to stop fighting them. They will always lose militarily, if they remain peaceful and Israel kills them still then Israel will be in a pretty bad position. But their religion won't allow them to stop attacking.
The 'militant' numbers from Israel could be a little scewed by the fact that hey think every male over the age of 14 is a 'Militant' as well. Even Females if they happen to die close enough to a gun. Thats one of the main problems when fighting people that are not a conventional army (i.e. Uniforms etc) everyone has the potential to be an 'enemy'
The Palestinian people in charge though are fucking insane if they think constantly provoking retaliation is a good idea.
Its suspicious that Morsi plays his Dictator card just after being the Leader who scores a peace deal between Israel and HAMAS
Not really FaceMan when you consider this unreported part of the peace deal...
Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu agreed to a ceasefire for halting the eight-day Israeli Gaza operation Wednesday night, Nov. 21, after President Barack Obama personally pledged to start deploying US troops in Egyptian Sinai next week, DEBKAfile reports. The conversation, which finally tipped the scales for a ceasefire, took place on a secure line Wednesday morning, just hours before it was announced in Cairo.
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