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How many ppl are running IP6 ATM
TiT
Brisbane, Queensland
5328 posts
Just wondering how many of you guys are running IP6 at home or at work right now. I've been using IP6 since Internode brought it out ages ago, Im running it using Frtiz 7390.
04:22pm 18/01/13 Permalink
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Dazhel
Gold Coast, Queensland
5614 posts
How many ppl are running IP6 ATM


Less people than running IPV6 over Ethernet I'd imagine *badumptish*


On the home front, Optus doesn't seem to be very keen, or if they are I haven't heard anything about it. The modem I bought only a year or so ago doesn't support it, so it's dead in the water for now.

At work we're still trying to convince the higher ups to upgrade from Windows XP, IPV6 isn't even on the radar...
04:43pm 18/01/13 Permalink
crazymorton
Brisbane, Queensland
3795 posts
And is it good or better for anything in particular?
04:45pm 18/01/13 Permalink
trog
AGN Admin
Brisbane, Queensland
36674 posts
AusGamers is!

edit: I read on Slashdot (uncited) that Google traffic is 1% IPv6. I suspect that is probably a good indication of uptake (if true).
04:47pm 18/01/13 Permalink
Infidel
Netherlands
4011 posts
10:38pm 18/01/13 Permalink
Whoop
Brisbane, Queensland
21168 posts
nope, home router doesn't support it, don't give a wet rats either.
10:41pm 18/01/13 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
5109 posts
I'm with crazy, does it do anything?
11:00pm 18/01/13 Permalink
Jim
UK
13189 posts
ipv4 offers 4.3 billion addresses, and they're nearly all allocated out - getting very hard to get ipv4 space now

ipv6 offers 340282366920938463463374607431768211456
11:07pm 18/01/13 Permalink
Obes
Brisbane, Queensland
9903 posts
ip v4 and v6 ... lol
IPv16 or die!
12:31am 19/01/13 Permalink
Infidel
Netherlands
4012 posts
I just hope the adoption rate keeps up, cgnat proposals etc are getting nasty :/
12:46am 19/01/13 Permalink
Whoop
Brisbane, Queensland
21169 posts
ipv4 offers 4.3 billion addresses, and they're nearly all allocated out - getting very hard to get ipv4 space nowipv6 offers 340282366920938463463374607431768211456

I'll worry about it when my ISP sends me a letter telling me IPv4 is being retired. Until then, I refuse to move with the times (I'm too fond of my current router / firmware / features). Even then, all I will do is buy some cheap piece of crap router, hook it up to the modem and make it get the v6 address, then hook my current router up to it, and make new router give old router v4 address and forward all packets to the old router.

There's no way in hell I'm giving up my precious wrt54g without a fight.

**I know some firmwares for it support v6, but the version I like doesn't.
01:09am 19/01/13 Permalink
mental
Brisbane, Queensland
3749 posts
If only people these days were that committed to marriage!
01:11am 19/01/13 Permalink
Jim
UK
13190 posts
I'll worry about it when my ISP sends me a letter telling me IPv4 is being retired.


it's a shame you feel that way
to put it into perspective - our vps hosting service will run out of our ipv4 allocation in a few months, and apnic won't allocate us more because they're rationing their final allocation. So now our options are basically to buy space from squatters for copious amounts or try and transfer space from the US who are hogging copious amounts

Apnic happily gave us an allocation of 79228162514264337593543950336 ipv6 addresses though, without us even asking for them

a lot of isp's and datacentres need to step it up a notch or a lot of people are going to be hurting
01:33am 19/01/13 Permalink
Whoop
Brisbane, Queensland
21170 posts
How does me still using ipv4 affect you and your VPS? It's not like I can sell you my IP. Sure, I'm actually the CEO of telstra in disguise.
02:03am 19/01/13 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
13383 posts
our vps hosting service will run out of our ipv4 allocation in a few months

What does that mean for us, Jim? We'll need to order new IPs ongoing for SSL sites...
02:10am 19/01/13 Permalink
Infidel
Netherlands
4013 posts
You can just buy them from China probably :) But there are solutions to things such as simpler web hosting. It will always involve port mapping to something though.
02:27am 19/01/13 Permalink
Jim
UK
13192 posts
How does me still using ipv4 affect you and your VPS? It's not like I can sell you my IP. Sure, I'm actually the CEO of telstra in disguise.


perceived uptake/demand of ipv6 by isp users is a factor in the overall crossover to it. everyone who clings to ipv4 instead of at least proactively using a dual stack is helping prolong the uptake and help us move out of the situation we're in
02:43am 19/01/13 Permalink
Dazhel
Gold Coast, Queensland
5615 posts
How does me still using ipv4 affect you and your VPS?


Connectivity is a two way street - if whoever is renting a vps can only get an V6 address and you only have a V4 address it would be somewhat difficult for the two machines to talk to each other without your carrier interceding and doing something funky with their network upstream (which generally involves you losing end-to-end connectivity with internet peers).
02:44am 19/01/13 Permalink
Jim
UK
13193 posts
What does that mean for us, Jim? We'll need to order new IPs ongoing for SSL sites...

I doubt it'll be an issue, we're pursuing various options of getting more space from other allocations but apnic is nearly out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asia-Pacific_Network_Information_Centre#IPv4_exhaustion

bit more info from a global perspective:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv4_exhaustion
02:51am 19/01/13 Permalink
HerbalLizard
Brisbane, Queensland
5699 posts
Is the question: How many people are running IPv6 over ATM? http://www.ip6.com/us/book/Chap9.pdf.

Running dual stack at the moment
09:19am 19/01/13 Permalink
mooby
Brisbane, Queensland
6249 posts
id like to make my home lan ipv6, but need hardware
10:43am 19/01/13 Permalink
redhat
Sydney, New South Wales
883 posts
Question for the network nerds: can you run ipv4 like for your home lan like a 10xxx or 192xxxxx and still route out to a ipv6 address?
11:07am 19/01/13 Permalink
Whoop
Brisbane, Queensland
21171 posts
Does anyone else see the irony in pissing and moaning about running out of ips, but then going and telling everyone to stop using the service those ips rely on?

Why don't you just stop using ipv 4 and go full v6, that'll show them all.
11:08am 19/01/13 Permalink
crazymorton
Brisbane, Queensland
3797 posts
just to clarify for us non network noobs....does it really effect the end users, dumbos like me, who just click a link and hope something is there?

but for companies and data centres and web host companies etc they need to move (or start using from scratch) v6 because v4 is running out of allocations.

So does that mean a site could be hosted on v6 and if I'm not hooked in to v6 via my router i won't be able to see it? (btw i have a Fritbox which is v6 capable I've just never looked into it)

Could someone post a plain english explanation on the impacts for the end users like me please.

11:32am 19/01/13 Permalink
Infidel
Netherlands
4014 posts
morton, no it doesnt. Pretty much you don;t have to worry about anything. Telstra and the other fat ducks will pretty much sort it out when they need it to. The thing is though telecoms have not invested much in telecoms lately so going from ipv4 to ipv6 is going to cost them a lot in making sure all their stuff is sorted so they can charge everyone for it.
11:36am 19/01/13 Permalink
Infidel
Netherlands
4015 posts
Redhat:

Yes you can. But its easier just to have dual stack since every modern OS just supports ipv6. Most home ipv6 routers should just give you a local address so you dont even need to setup or worry about dhcp anywhere. Those devices havent hit the market mainstream though.
11:38am 19/01/13 Permalink
crazymorton
Brisbane, Queensland
3798 posts
thanks Infi. i will happily carry on surfing in ignorance ;-)
11:54am 19/01/13 Permalink
HerbalLizard
Brisbane, Queensland
5700 posts
Yes you can. But its easier just to have dual stack since every modern OS just supports ipv6. Most home ipv6 routers should just give you a local address so you dont even need to setup or worry about dhcp anywhere. Those devices havent hit the market mainstream though.
12:46pm 19/01/13 Permalink
HerbalLizard
Brisbane, Queensland
5701 posts
something is f*****g odd with the forum posting from qgl - ^^^^ this
12:47pm 19/01/13 Permalink
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Brisbane, Queensland
7554 posts
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Jim
UK
13194 posts
Does anyone else see the irony in pissing and moaning about running out of ips, but then going and telling everyone to stop using the service those ips rely on? Why don't you just stop using ipv 4 and go full v6, that'll show them all.


well that question didn't really make sense, but it looks like noone else saw any irony, no
perhaps people realise it would be financial suicide for a single small business to do what you're suggesting

meanwhile though, we can still advocate the uptake of ipv6
03:38pm 19/01/13 Permalink
koopz
Brisbane, Queensland
9838 posts
it will get better, though *something something* not yet.

it's your fault if it your stuff doesn't work however.

hence you'll be told what to do to get your network the way you need it to be.

you are the administrator of you home network, and don't forget it.

I'm liking Mac again for some funny reason :/

Someone help Linux come in the middle here eh
06:07pm 19/01/13 Permalink
Infidel
Netherlands
4016 posts
Herbal, what I meant there was for something with NAT-PT sitting with the ISP that is invisible to the end user that would just serve the v6 content.
08:44pm 19/01/13 Permalink
Red
Sydney, New South Wales
1031 posts
I've been running dual stack through hurricane electric for a while now. I'm eagerly awaiting NBN so I can go with an ISP that supports it natively. (currently I'm in an area with only Telstra dslams and sticking with TPG for decent quota)
10:43pm 21/01/13 Permalink
Whoop
Brisbane, Queensland
21189 posts
well that question didn't really make sense, but it looks like noone else saw any irony, no perhaps people realise it would be financial suicide for a single small business to do what you're suggesting meanwhile though, we can still advocate the uptake of ipv6

FYI it was sarcasm. I know no one can just turn off IP v6.

What happened to my router post? If you want me to run IP v6 so you can have my v4 IP, how will I find a new router that supports v6 now it's been nuked? My world is ending. Oh well.
01:00am 22/01/13 Permalink
shrapse
Brisbane, Queensland
3807 posts
What happened to v5?
04:24am 22/01/13 Permalink
trog
AGN Admin
Brisbane, Queensland
36680 posts
What happened to v5?
I never even thought about that so I just guessed a Wiki page, and lo, there was information
09:57am 22/01/13 Permalink
Space Ninja
Sydney, New South Wales
3601 posts
I'm currently engaged with a gigantic battle at work with internal infrastructure systems which do building controls. The vendors don't support IPv6 but we're nearing capacity for IPv4 addresses. Two new facilities coming online in the next 3 years and there is requests of up to 100 IPv4 addresses per location.

:(
10:27am 22/01/13 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
6325 posts
So, how many companies will keep doing IPv4 internally while only dealing with IPv6 externally?

Do people have some stories about how they've changed?
05:26pm 22/01/13 Permalink
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