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The hell is going on in Adobe Flash land?
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
13585 posts
This is bizarre: http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-19267140

Adobe is pulling its Flash Player plug-in from Android's Google Play store.

It follows a decision to halt development of the software for mobile devices.

I don't even...

Are they just trying to fast-track the inevitable death of Flash with the inception of HTML5?

The article doesn't get any less weird.
11:29pm 15/08/12 Permalink
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scuzzy
Brisbane, Queensland
15442 posts
No idea, but adobe flash gives me no end of grief on a desktop, the web would be better off without it.
11:31pm 15/08/12 Permalink
greazy
Brisbane, Queensland
5533 posts
Found this via wiki:
http://blogs.adobe.com/conversations/2011/11/flash-focus.html
However, HTML5 is now universally supported on major mobile devices, in some cases exclusively. This makes HTML5 the best solution for creating and deploying content in the browser across mobile platforms. We are excited about this, and will continue our work with key players in the HTML community, including Google, Apple, Microsoft and RIM, to drive HTML5 innovation they can use to advance their mobile browsers.
I think it is cool as hell to realise that your product is old school and the new kid on the block has the right s***.

How does adobe make money from flash though?
11:39pm 15/08/12 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
13586 posts
How does adobe make money from flash though?

From the tools that produce Flash objects I presume. I can't think of any other revenue stream.

Interesting that HTML5 post is actually on the Adobe blog.
11:45pm 15/08/12 Permalink
Whoop
Brisbane, Queensland
20429 posts
I wish silverlight would GTFO. Try watching online TV on a mobile device when the site ONLY supports silverlight.
11:58pm 15/08/12 Permalink
Agamemnon
Brisbane, Queensland
1070 posts
i had to uninstall their reader - every time it did an update, it would crash my pc

how wierd is that?
12:02am 16/08/12 Permalink
Nerfy
Brisbane, Queensland
6334 posts
Yeah they made this decision last year, can't remember the exact details but I don't expect flash to have a long term future with html5. The main thing which it has going for it at the moment are tools and not sharing a thread with the browser, which makes things a bit difficult unless you're a super leet software engineer like me, in which case it's still difficult.
12:08am 16/08/12 Permalink
kos
Germany
2135 posts
Jeeze, how is this surprising news to you Pinky? As Nerfy said the death of Flash has been on the cards for a long time now, even from Adobe, with them announcing moving away from it a long time ago, starting with Flash for mobiles.

Also, good riddance!
12:44am 16/08/12 Permalink
crazymorton
Brisbane, Queensland
3290 posts
does this mean i can now watch porn on my iPad? Win!

also what happens to legacy sites using flash, are they easily changed/updated?
09:26am 16/08/12 Permalink
TiT
Brisbane, Queensland
5056 posts
does this mean i can now watch porn on my iPad? Win!


always could??
09:44am 16/08/12 Permalink
trog
AGN Admin
Brisbane, Queensland
36435 posts
Jeeze, how is this surprising news to you Pinky? As Nerfy said the death of Flash has been on the cards for a long time now, even from Adobe, with them announcing moving away from it a long time ago, starting with Flash for mobiles.Also, good riddance!
It's a little surprising because the death of Flash will be a long, drawn out process, and removing it from the store means Android devices are no longer able to access that content - one of the "promises of Android" and no doubt a small factor for some people about why they selected Android over iOS.

I don't have Flash on my Android phone - it's too old and slow - but I almost certainly would have installed it on a new device, because I still occasionally end up on some website that is unusable without it.
10:33am 16/08/12 Permalink
simul
Brisbane, Queensland
1380 posts
This is old news (long time coming), the need for Flash on mobile is minimised due to the ubiquitous support on mobile browsers (hardware accelerated h264). Most Flash video is encoded via h264 anyway, with a Flash wrapper, so its not a huge deal. Its different on desktop where you have different browsers supporting different codecs.

The direction Adobe has been heading with Flash for years is towards Desktop and Mobile apps via Adobe Air. Remember that Flash is an ugly stepchild, it was bought from Macromedia along with Director, Dreamweaver, Fireworks etc. Ironically enough Macomedia+Flash was the favourite child compared to the evil Adobe Uncle.

That being said, Flash on the web is still needed for anything that isn't built into all browsers (unless you use the pain that is Silverlight). Basically, if you want to do these (below) on the browser, only Flash can do them (HTML5 is slowly catching up, but not ubiquitous):

- Touch interface support (multi-touch APIs)
- Audio codecs (there is no format that all browsers support, not even WAV or MP3)
- Video codecs (same as above, double encoding required - apart from mobile (thank f*** for webkit))
- Binary data
- P2P / sockets
- Webcam/Microphones (very slowly getting there with HTML5)
- Streaming / DRM (huge reason why Flash is important)
- Fullscreen interactivity (apart from Video)

But most of these things on mobile devices are better suited to apps rather than websites anyway.

last edited by simul at 11:02:52 16/Aug/12
11:00am 16/08/12 Permalink
mental
Brisbane, Queensland
3415 posts
I believe those with it already installed will continue to get security updates for some time Trog. You can always install it as .apk like before flash was officially released to lower Androids (2.1 it worked but wasn't released but you could install the 2.3 apk, or something like that). Having said that Adobe don't think it will work very well with Jelly Bean.
12:02pm 16/08/12 Permalink
Captain Lateral
Brisbane, Queensland
4573 posts
always could??
only on non flash based websites.

Jeeze, how is this surprising news to you Pinky? As Nerfy said the death of Flash has been on the cards for a long time now,


This is big news, This:

Adobe is pulling its Flash Player plug-in from Android's Google Play store.


Is vastly different to "no longer supported", android at least used to have the option.. you know, for backwards compatibility. Now its looking like they aren't going to even let it be an option... Dodgy IMO.


12:19pm 16/08/12 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
7287 posts
The Macromedia model was to make money from authoring tools. HTML5 will be no different.
12:37pm 16/08/12 Permalink
thermite
Brisbane, Queensland
10023 posts
I'm all for moving away from Flash. Never liked it. I am a web developer, and when I've told people (like employers) in the past that I don't like Flash, they laugh like I'm making a joke. I'm not ? Then I'm made to do some pointless flash thing that serves no purpose simply because the client was upsold on flash....

But these companies that just go "nah we'll stop supporting this s*** instantly" s*** me too. I hope Adobe has a strategy to convert people's Flash documents into HTML 5... somehow... I don't even know if there is a 1:1 relationship between Flash features and HTML5 where things can simply be moved over.

Google is a company that loves to just TURN S*** OFF. I made some software 5 years ago that I don't even use, and I still support that for free and come out with new features. Google just goes... 'nah f*** it... delete it' all the time.

01:22pm 16/08/12 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
7288 posts
Adobe Edge is the replacement for Adobe Flash and Adobe Flex.

Google are a company that doesn't believe in legacy software.
01:30pm 16/08/12 Permalink
simul
Brisbane, Queensland
1381 posts



Google are a company that doesn't believe in legacy software.


Google is a company that loves to just TURN S*** OFF.


Mainly since Larry took over and cleaned shop.


Adobe Edge is the replacement for Adobe Flash and Adobe Flex.

I hope Adobe has a strategy to convert people's Flash documents into HTML 5... somehow... I don't even know if there is a 1:1 relationship between Flash features and HTML5 where things can simply be moved over.


Edge is the replacement for web based Flash/Flex interactive animation, not for replacing the entire AVM. Flash/Flex has a giant and ubiquitous life outside the web content area.
02:11pm 16/08/12 Permalink
Captain Lateral
Brisbane, Queensland
4574 posts
they laugh like I'm making a joke. I'm not ? Then I'm made to do some pointless flash thing that serves no purpose simply because the client was upsold on flash


sound like easy money, i'd laugh at you for letting your opinions get in the way of easy money :P
02:24pm 16/08/12 Permalink
thermite
Brisbane, Queensland
10025 posts
sound like easy money, i'd laugh at you for letting your opinions get in the way of easy money :P


Easy money for whom? I got paid the same s***** wage no matter how much pointless crap the client was overcharged for.
02:35pm 16/08/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4888 posts
I've had a lot of trouble with flash and chrome lately. All of a sudden in the past week any youtube like flash player randomly stops loading and I have to skip a few seconds ahead to keep it going. That and youtube doesn't play any sound so I had to disable some things in chrome to get it going again.
02:58pm 16/08/12 Permalink
trog
AGN Admin
Brisbane, Queensland
36437 posts
the need for Flash on mobile is minimised due to the ubiquitous support on mobile browsers (hardware accelerated h264).
For video, maybe, but when you're on your phone trying to access some jerk's website that you need for some dumb reason and it has a Flash menu or something like it's 2003 then you really miss not having it

I can't wait for it to die. Then I can go back to using Lynx, like nature intended
03:03pm 16/08/12 Permalink
deeper
Brisbane, Queensland
4114 posts
simul you da boss
04:28pm 16/08/12 Permalink
Whoop
Brisbane, Queensland
20430 posts
For video, maybe, but when you're on your phone trying to access some jerk's website that you need for some dumb reason and it has a Flash menu or something like it's 2003 then you really miss not having itI can't wait for it to die. Then I can go back to using Lynx, like nature intended

I just don't bother visiting sites that use flash for menus or for the entire site. Can't be bothered making a real website? Then I can't be bothered trying to view whatever crap they DID make.

But these companies that just go "nah we'll stop supporting this s*** instantly" s*** me too. I hope Adobe has a strategy to convert people's Flash documents into HTML 5... somehow...
I hope not. Whoever makes an entire website/application in flash deserves everything they get.
05:08pm 16/08/12 Permalink
shrapse
Brisbane, Queensland
3782 posts
Why does Adobe insist I reboot my PC after I perform a simple auto update on their READER software?
05:15pm 16/08/12 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
13590 posts
Why does Adobe insist I reboot my PC after I perform a simple auto update on their READER software?

To make sure that icon is replaced on your desktop :P

I love that icon. More useless than tits on a bull.
05:27pm 16/08/12 Permalink
typo
Other International
6521 posts
Basically, if you want to do these (below) on the browser, only Flash can do them (HTML5 is slowly catching up, but not ubiquitous):


I wonder why you would want to rely on the browser to do some of those things.
07:15am 17/08/12 Permalink
simul
Brisbane, Queensland
1382 posts
I wonder why you would want to rely on the browser to do some of those things.


The main thing (at the moment) is p2p+video conferencing inside the browser. Not the best technology for the job, but makes it easy for users who aren't savvy enough to install an application, and less effort to get up and running. Although you could use Java, which has all of the same problems with a lower install base :)
08:21am 17/08/12 Permalink
Twisted
Brisbane, Queensland
11727 posts

It's a little surprising because the death of Flash will be a long, drawn out process, and removing it from the store means Android devices are no longer able to access that content - one of the "promises of Android" and no doubt a small factor for some people about why they selected Android over iOS.
Manufacturers will still bundle it with their phones I'm sure.
I don't have Flash on my Android phone - it's too old and slow - but I almost certainly would have installed it on a new device, because I still occasionally end up on some website that is unusable without it.
I too thought this. But every time I've used flash it has been a truly terrible experience. Running a Desire HD it is really gimmicky and awkward to use. And it crashes a lot. That's been my experience with Flash on Android. I just have it disabled now.
08:24am 17/08/12 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
8148 posts
Chiming in to say that Adobe Flash is the only app on my Mac (and wifeys) which consistently f**** out causes massive CPU usage and the only fix is to kill the process.

Need a 'I HATE FLASH' t-shirt.
11:51am 17/08/12 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
13598 posts
Need a 'I HATE FLASH' t-shirt.

They exist - Google 'flash sucks t-shirt', haha.
12:21pm 17/08/12 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
5979 posts
http://www.ausforums.com/images/icon7.gifI too thought this. But every time I've used flash it has been a truly terrible experience. Running a Desire HD it is really gimmicky and awkward to use. And it crashes a lot. That's been my experience with Flash on Android. I just have it disabled now.

But then how do you watch streaming porn? :S

It runs mostly fine on my phone, but it's hard to get rid of the pop-over ads, the best solution i found was fullscreening the video. But you're mostly right, flash is s***, especially in firefox recently. And i'm not even talking about android firefox, i'm talking about normal PC windows firefox.
12:53pm 17/08/12 Permalink
simul
Brisbane, Queensland
1383 posts
simul you da boss


Thanks dpr :D
02:03pm 17/08/12 Permalink
dais
Brisbane, Queensland
9918 posts
The latest version of Flash is completely f***ed in Firefox and Chrome for me. So I'm using 10.3.
02:47pm 17/08/12 Permalink
Linker
Brisbane, Queensland
1660 posts
I'm pretty sure Google has said that android 4.1 jellybean won't support flash anyway. This has been a long time coming. Trog, they'll never make the move if you don't whinge to Web developers not to code their s***** websites in flash.
06:46pm 17/08/12 Permalink
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