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maRtz
Brisbane, Queensland
3644 posts
Trying to back up about 1.2TB data to an external HDD (USB3) and it's taking fucking forever. I started it last night, kicked off at 7% and this morning it was only up to 15%. Anyone have any suggestions? fucking ridonculous! At this rate it's gonna take a few days wtfbbq?
11:07am 01/06/12 Permalink
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11:07am 01/06/12 Permalink
Tiny
Brisbane, Queensland
3277 posts
Are you actually using a USB 3.0 port on your PC. Is the drive you are backing up old and dodgy?
11:09am 01/06/12 Permalink
maRtz
Brisbane, Queensland
3645 posts
nar all that is good. I'm using the default win7 backup program.
11:16am 01/06/12 Permalink
Opec
Brisbane, Queensland
7596 posts
Make sure your new drive hasn't been formatted with more than 512 block size. Standard Windows backup programme does not support modern large block size disks. I ran into problem when I tried to use Win2k8 R2 backup programme (which is the same in Win7) and basically it has to do with the way the software is doing the block level backup and checking etc (long and complicated to explain).

I had to download WD's utilities to reformat the 2TB discs from 4096KB back to 512KB and it ran pretty fast.
11:20am 01/06/12 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
2881 posts
not sure, but I did notice this morning (after an update) that transferring to USB (14.6gb, TV shows) something with my patriot stick has in the past taken 3-6 minutes, this morning, 10 minutes,
11:21am 01/06/12 Permalink
maRtz
Brisbane, Queensland
3646 posts
Make sure your new drive hasn't been formatted with more than 512 block size. Standard Windows backup programme does not support modern large block size disks. I ran into problem when I tried to use Win2k8 R2 backup programme (which is the same in Win7) and basically it has to do with the way the software is doing the block level backup and checking etc (long and complicated to explain).

I had to download WD's utilities to reformat the 2TB discs from 4096KB back to 512KB and it ran pretty fast.


yep might be this..

is this the dl you speak of?

http://support.wdc.com/product/download.asp?groupid=613&lang=en
11:35am 01/06/12 Permalink
Space Ninja
Sydney, New South Wales
3534 posts
Spend $90 and buy a copy of ShadowProtect.

11:37am 01/06/12 Permalink
scuzzy
Brisbane, Queensland
15368 posts
Outside of the backup program, how fast can you transfer to the disk?
11:42am 01/06/12 Permalink
Opec
Brisbane, Queensland
7597 posts
yep might be this..

is this the dl you speak of?

http://support.wdc.com/product/download.asp?groupid=613&lang=en



Nah it's this one:
WD Quick Formatter for Windows:
http://wdc.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/search/1/a_id/3868/c/130/p/85,306


Also this was how I found out about the block size and Windows backup problem
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/windowsbackup/thread/5d9e2f23-ee70-4d41-8bfc-c9c4068ee4e2
12:08pm 01/06/12 Permalink
thermite
Brisbane, Queensland
9692 posts
12:15pm 01/06/12 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
16814 posts
thread should be typwned for stupidity

backuping?

do you mean backing up?
01:04pm 01/06/12 Permalink
parabol
Brisbane, Queensland
7026 posts
Spend $90 and buy a copy of ShadowProtect.

At that price you can get 4 licenses of Macrium Reflect:

http://www.macrium.com/personal.aspx

Or if you're not interested in incrementals/differentials, the free version will suffice:

http://www.macrium.com/reflectfree.aspx
01:07pm 01/06/12 Permalink
maRtz
Brisbane, Queensland
3647 posts
Nah it's this one:
WD Quick Formatter for Windows:


no probs. Do I have to select any special options or just format as per normal?
01:09pm 01/06/12 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
33782 posts
windows 7 backup is fine, usar porblem.

first time it runs it takes a while.
01:13pm 01/06/12 Permalink
Opec
Brisbane, Queensland
7598 posts
no probs. Do I have to select any special options or just format as per normal?


You just need to select "Factory Default" - I know it's stupid, you'd think that means formatting it back to 4096 but no, it will format it back to 512.

But before you do that you can run this command from the windows dos prompt to see if your external drive is formatted as 4096 block:


fsutil fsinfo ntfsinfo f:


Where f: is the drive letter of your USB drive.

If it reports something like this:


NTFS Volume Serial Number :
Version : 3.1
Number Sectors : 0x000000000e8b4eff
Total Clusters : 0x000000000e8b4eff
Free Clusters : 0x000000000e8aa566
Total Reserved : 0x0000000000000000
Bytes Per Sector : 4096
Bytes Per Physical Sector :
Bytes Per Cluster : 4096
Bytes Per FileRecord Segment : 4096
Clusters Per FileRecord Segment : 1
Mft Valid Data Length : 0x0000000000100000
Mft Start Lcn : 0x00000000000c0000
Mft2 Start Lcn : 0x0000000000000002
Mft Zone Start : 0x00000000000c0000
Mft Zone End : 0x00000000000cc820
RM Identifier: 42643033-B240-11E0-9765-3C4A92E16BD6


(Emphasis' mine) then you need to reformat it back to 512k block. Otherwise the problem is else where.
01:17pm 01/06/12 Permalink
maRtz
Brisbane, Queensland
3648 posts
Thanks Opec. I thought microsoft would have fixed this by now 0.o

windows 7 backup is fine, usar porblem.

first time it runs it takes a while.


negative, this is a well documented issue.

last edited by maRtz at 13:39:44 01/Jun/12
01:38pm 01/06/12 Permalink
mission
Brisbane, Queensland
8528 posts
Win7 Back-Up is shit.

The end.

last edited by mission at 13:43:18 01/Jun/12
01:40pm 01/06/12 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
33784 posts
ive been using it without issue since my win 7 install;

i suspect, especially for missions case, its due to him being a complete computar spazzy
01:45pm 01/06/12 Permalink
DecayingCorpse
Brisbane, Queensland
2017 posts
windows backup. lawl.
02:02pm 01/06/12 Permalink
mission
Brisbane, Queensland
8529 posts
I look at a computer like any other appliance in the house.

My fridge keeps the beer cold, the dishwasher washes the dishes and washing machine washes my clothes. All I have to do is turn them on and press start and they work! Amazing stuff!

Press start in Windows back-up and it doesn't work or starts and takes forever and then returns an error....

I just expect things that I buy to work as they are supposed to with little or no intervention from me.

Is my expectations of Windows 7 to high?

The last thing I want to do in my spare time is trouble shoot a pc that will not do what it should do out of the box ie: back-up, receive emails etc

If that makes me a computer spaz, then so be it.
02:44pm 01/06/12 Permalink
maRtz
Brisbane, Queensland
3649 posts
do you mean backing up?


yes. Can't change it, how fucking retarded.
02:51pm 01/06/12 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
33785 posts
Press start in Windows back-up and it doesn't work or starts and takes forever and then returns an error....


yuo are very bad at computars and should stick to purchasing only super expensive and shiny apple products.

pack up your windows computer and send it back to the store immediately

windows backup is designed to be run regularly, not when you can remember to start it.

last edited by Spook at 17:01:45 01/Jun/12
04:56pm 01/06/12 Permalink
mission
Brisbane, Queensland
8530 posts
windows backup is designed to be run regularly, not when you can remember to start it.


lol it's ok to admit it's crap spook, Gatesy will still love you.
05:27pm 01/06/12 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
33786 posts
it works perfectly for me.

i scheduled it to run on a sunday nite once and since then its backed up all my important files to an external harddrive for free from the start.

0 issues.

as i mentioned earlier, i think paying for simpler products is more your speed.

gatesy <3
05:33pm 01/06/12 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
5641 posts
1) Buy new HDD
2) go into manage, disk management,
3) mirror disk drive
4) go to bed
5) break mirror
6) take away spare HDD as spare. DONE (if one hdd dies, plug in other one, and boot off it it'll be identical to your other one It will just say failed redundancy on it's disk management, but you can remove mirror on it too to remove that error :P)
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