I want to see if they listened to the advice people gave them and made it easy to switch between metro and classic start menu. I don't think they have.
I have a feeling I'm going to try this out. I'm also pretty keen to check out Windows 8 tablets when they're out, as I've currently skipped getting an iPad or Android tablet, more because I don't need one that much, but also because I know the operating systems and they're restrictions and/or flaws.
So hopefully Microsoft can really take the existing couple of years (or more) of prior experience with other companies and bring out a really good tablet OS.
Because I don't think Metro works how I want it to work in an office environment Ivymike. I want to be able to switch between Metro because I like using Metro and the Windows 7 desktop easily. With the development preview you could easily drop into the classic desktop but pressing the start menu switched to Metro. With a reg key you could make the start menu come back, but you couldn't easily go to Metro. I want to use both. So in summary, fuck you IvyMike.
looking forward to some feedback... don't know how I feel about the 'lets try and be more like apple' interface... from my experiences Microsoft makes one good OS then one shitty OS over the last few years
looking forward to some feedback... don't know how I feel about the 'lets try and be more like apple' interface... from my experiences Microsoft makes one good OS then one shitty OS over the last few years
Hahaha that is exactly what I say to anyone who asks me about Windows 8. Although I do look forward to playing around with it in Javascript and doing some cool shit.
And iirc win7 has been the only version of widows to be faster than its predecessor. They've always relied on faster hardware and delivered more bloat and tie-ins.
to be honest, I really like the windows 8 design. If all my games and programs work straight off the bat, it'll be an early upgrade for me. i'd be curious to see the integration with other upcoming Microsoft products like windows phone 8 and the new xbox.
So the consensus if that WIndows 8 will be the black sheep like Vista and ME? Dayum shame.
Wat, nobody's even used it yet, and nobody will likely be using Metro with the intended touch interface anyway.
Given that tablet computing is a limited-resource environment we can expect win8 to be relatively trim, its not being built for i5 desktops alone.
Nats' observations above are correct re. the previous bloat and Windows' reliance on hardware increases ... but the market turned small a few years ago and I doubt they are ignoring that while at the same time building an interface to suit!
To be fair, this is nothing like Apple's operating system. It has some really nice things about it, such as the other-app docking on sides of screens for a bit of multitasking.
Bit off topic but somewhat related to Windows 8, does anyone know if you can install another OS onto tablets like Samsung 10" or Asus Transformer Prime? If we can, would be interesting to try Windows 8 on it.
Had a play with the developer preview for a bit, will be interested to see if this has much more to it. Still have a heap of XP machines at work....this might be the signal needed to move them onto 7.
Anyone know if there's Kinnect support in the consumer preview or have a Kinnect to test it out? I don't but would go buy one if I knew I could plug it into and use it in Win8 on my 60" TV at home.
Grrr was hoping they had resolved the issue from Win 8 running on Virtual Machine 7 hardware. I think this is just a VMWare ploy to force the version 5 upgrades.
I've got it running on a laptop plugged into a 27" display. Works reasonably well so far but I've only scratched the surface. I've got it connected to my Microsoft Live@Edu account because it backs only Windows Live. My Office 365 account doesn't register as a "Microsoft Account" because it's not a Windows Live account which is fucking stupid given how hard Microsoft were pimping Office 365 last year.
I've noticed with programs you would install in Windows 7, lets say VLC which once installed will dump a bunch of components into the main part of the start menu, like skins configuration etc, because there's no start menu effectively, it's all dumped into Metro which clutters things pretty quickly. You can right click on unwanted objects and hide them back into the "All Apps" section which is basically everything you'd see in the "All Programs" part of the start menu but all expanded on one screen which is ok though you can't collapse program folders (which display more like headings now).
There's a consumer preview product demo video which hit the web earlier today which covers using a mouse and keyboard navigation as well as touch.
Been running the beta on my netbook an old HP Mini 110 (1gig ram) and it was going like a rocket, was really impressed, win7 was choking it, gonna try this release as there seems to be more to it then just a metro tech demo
Yes, but on movie night with your girlfriend curled in your arms and you're about to press play it might decide not to work so you might have to forego the movie prep time and head straight to the bedroom instead.
Yes, but on movie night with your girlfriend curled in your arms and you're about to press play it might decide not to work so you might have to forego the movie prep time and head straight to the bedroom instead.
I'm actually quite fond of it. Check out the task manager, it actually gives you useful information and start up programs can be disabled there instead of just using msconfig.
I restarted my computer (I figured it out eventually!!!) and got back onto my Win7 partition and I have found myself missing it already.
Yeah I like it, will be good once you get used to it more and it gets a little more polish. Vistart gives you a start menu in desktop mode apparently, so should be good to go.
Well if it does fuck up, they don't want to hear people saying omg my thesis due on Friday got corrupted and it took my three months of polishing and omg cry cry
Take your horrible start menu choice (as well as the rest of the world still stuck using Windows XP) and fuck right off.
I went so far as to install "classic start menu" in windows 7 to get the xp menu back. The new start menu is a horrible idea. I like to see all my programs all laid out for me, I don't want to have to fucking well scroll through 900000000 applications. What kind of idiot uses a screen so small as to require the tinyass menu that new versions of windows come with?
Win2k was awesome. Win ME was shit.
2k was awesome if you knew how to use it and work around the fact it was never meant to be a consumer OS, more a business one (I think?).
I went so far as to install "classic start menu" in windows 7 to get the xp menu back. The new start menu is a horrible idea. I like to see all my programs all laid out for me, I don't want to have to fucking well scroll through 900000000 applications. What kind of idiot uses a screen so small as to require the tinyass menu that new versions of windows come with?
Looks good, not sure how I like Metro interface - look kinda kiddy like not really going to suit corporately look. Also on non-touch screen PC with large screen it'd be a pain in the arse having to drag your mouse onto different corners to get to the "charms" and other things... hopefully kb shortcut will be a replacement for that.
Windows key – brings up the Metro start screen. You can start typing to search for an app, just like the Win7 start menu.
Win + D – brings up the old Windows desktop.
Win + C – brings up the Charms menu, where you can search, share, and change settings.
Win + I – opens the Settings panel, where you can change settings for the current app, change volume, wireless networks, shut down, or adjust the brightness.
Win + Z – opens the App Bar for the current Metro application.
Win + H – opens the Metro Share panel.
Win + Q – brings up the Metro App Search screen.
Win + W – brings up the Metro Settings search screen.
Win + F – brings up the Metro File search screen.
Win + K – opens the Devices panel (for connecting to a projector or some other device)
Win + , (comma) – Aero Peek at the desktop.
Win + . (period) – Snaps the current Metro application to one side of the screen. (Right side)
Win + Shift + . (period) – Snaps the current Metro application to the other side of the screen. (Left side)
Win + J – switches focus between snapped Metro applications.
Win + Page Up / Down – moves the current app to the other monitor.
Win + Tab – opens the Metro application switcher menu, switches between applications.
Server 8...... Metro whyyyyyy! I feel like I am adding music to a library under mce than editing DNS zones. Seriously I am not going to be using a fucking tablet to admin this SHIT sitting on the beach. How about a solid server os with solid features that's truly enterprise ready. If I want this shit I would run osx server. And the storage pools and hyperv extensions.... Big fucking whoop. You know the only thing that your new sparkling turd needed is to finally fucking mount an ISO natively. Re-o -fuckinglutionary same old shit covered in glitter. Perfect for point and click mins
Touch and click, point and click sucks, takes a little practise to get the corner of the screen instead of jumping monitor. Also I don't have a side scrolling mouse so the app store isn't very nice to navigate. I like a few things, and with vistart I can use metro and classic start.
The new start menu is a horrible idea. I like to see all my programs all laid out for me, I don't want to have to fucking well scroll through 900000000 applications. What kind of idiot uses a screen so small as to require the tinyass menu that new versions of windows come with?
Dude, just hit the Windows key and start typing the name of the program, much faster.
Dude, just hit the Windows key and start typing the name of the program, much faster.
I agree.
But the really awesome thing about this is that after a few decades of UI development, the best way to start Windows apps is to use a glorified command line ... !
So I've been in Seattle this week to visit Microsoft (not for AusGamers; for Mammoth). They gave us some good heads up on various products, but unfortunately we didn't get any goss on Windows 8 - our session with them on Win8 was the day before the launch of this release and they had this whole plan around that, so that was a bit frustrating.
Been a really interesting trip though; I got some photos of the MS campus that clearly demonstrate where all our money goes :)
But the really awesome thing about this is that after a few decades of UI development, the best way to start Windows apps is to use a glorified command line ... !
It's not a command line, it's a search box you don't have to type full name of the program to run it just filter to it and select it.
So you'd buy a 32" monitor, run 2000 x what.the.fuck.ever resolution, and then be happy to only use 1/4 of that? No, piss off to any noob that tells me otherwise. I buy a big screen, run a high res, I have a right to get pissed off when noob programmers write websites and programs that don't use my full screen resolution. This isn't 1990 anymore, no one uses 800 x 600 ffs.
For those on Windows XP that don't have access to this cutting edge technology, get Launchy: http://www.launchy.net/
I re-installed XP on my eeebox the other night. My god, how awesome is XP? Only thing stopping me from using it on my main PC right now, is the fact I don't have the 64bit version (got 16gig of ram).
I tried it on one of the 24" touch monitors at work.
I think it will be great for tablet devices once they iron it out. And I hope that all this Windows for ARM brings the price of Windows tablets down to a more competitive price.
I noticed that it is next to impossible to open the corner menus using the touch screen. Simple with the mouse, but ridiculous with your finger.
I installed it on my Asus eee slate. Runs nice. The lack of Start button takes some getting used to. Overall I like it.
I tried it on one of the 24" touch monitors at work.
I think it will be great for tablet devices once they iron it out. And I hope that all this Windows for ARM brings the price of Windows tablets down to a more competitive price.
I noticed that it is next to impossible to open the corner menus using the touch screen. Simple with the mouse, but ridiculous with your finger.
I went so far as to install "classic start menu" in windows 7 to get the xp menu back. The new start menu is a horrible idea. I like to see all my programs all laid out for me, I don't want to have to fucking well scroll through 900000000 applications. What kind of idiot uses a screen so small as to require the tinyass menu that new versions of windows come with?
The way I see it you have two genuinely useful ways of having the start menu. Either you leave everything where it is and don't bother organising anything and just search for whatever you want (which works well in Win7), or you organise your start menu properly (eg. into groups) so you don't have to scroll through 900000000 applications, regardless of how big or small your start menu is.
You seem to have taken some sort of middle road of just trying to fit a big heaping mess of shortcuts into the biggest Start Menu imaginable.
Also, you can increase the size of the Win7 start menu by enabling more built in menus on the right hand side (eg. Documents, Pictures, Homegroup, Videos, etc.) giving the recently opened programs and All Programs section way more room.
My biggest issue with Windows 8 is the stuff that pops up with the stuff like tiles when you hit start menu. Just because of that I wouldn't like the windows. I like my old start menu.
Right click on the lower left corner and it brings up a start menu much more useful than the old start menu, or hitting the windows key and typing the app name or organising the metro screen, heaps better once you get used to it.
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