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fukles
Brisbane, Queensland
6008 posts
I've added a second IP address to a windows7 pro machine.

Single nic, primary IP address is 169.254.1.39 gateway 169.254.1.2
Second ip I added is 10.8.172.151 so I can talk to a 3rd party machine 10.8.172.133.

Problem is when I add the second IP I lose internet and can no longer resolve computer names.
However I can ping and browse to machines on both IP ranges.
What am I missing guys?
06:39pm 21/02/12 Permalink
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Space Ninja
Sydney, New South Wales
3511 posts
Why is your primary address a self assigned local IP address?

06:43pm 21/02/12 Permalink
Crusher
Sydney, New South Wales
1059 posts
TBH just sounds like you either have a wrong gateway or wrong DNS.

Did you add a second gateway as well as a second IP?

You should only have a single gateway defined, or if you must have the second gateway for some reason, set the internet IP gateway to have a lower metric.

06:55pm 21/02/12 Permalink
fukles
Brisbane, Queensland
6009 posts
Space Ninja, No idea, that's just the way the IT company originally set the network up. 50+ PCs i'm not going to go around changing them all.
I've just been asked to replace a dead server and walked into this with the local requirements.
I haven't done this in a few years and can't remember if anything needed to be done or it should just work.

Crusher, Have only set a second IP and subnet mask, nothing else.

When I remove the second IP address machine instantly gets internet back and can resolve computer names again.
The only thing I do is via v4 tcpip properties, advanced, add a second IP address and subnet.

So current setup is as follows.
IP 169.254.1.39
mask 255.255.255.0
gateway 169.254.1.2
dns 169.254.1.2

Add IP 10.8.172.151
mask 255.0.0.0

If I remove the second IP everything works fine except I cannot ping etc 10.8.172.133.
Metric is set to auto as I do not have a second gateway, that is how it should be yeah?
07:10pm 21/02/12 Permalink
jsme
Brisbane, Queensland
20 posts
If you are getting a 169 address it sounds like whatever controls DHCP is down.
07:16pm 21/02/12 Permalink
teq
Brisbane, Queensland
12605 posts
yeah you shouldn't have a network running on 169.254.x.x

why not just add a route on the default gateway so you can access the 10.8.172.x network from the machine?
that assumes you have access to that router, but it'd be heaps easier
07:23pm 21/02/12 Permalink
Space Ninja
Sydney, New South Wales
3512 posts
Can you go to a working PC and copy down all the details for that one please?

Paste results here and we may be able to help out.

Also your IT staff are the laziest fuckers on the planet because thats really really horrible bad practice.
07:26pm 21/02/12 Permalink
Captain Lateral
Brisbane, Queensland
4420 posts
if you're just connecting to a single machine why is you mask so big on the second ip?
07:29pm 21/02/12 Permalink
Linker
Brisbane, Queensland
1570 posts
jsme is correct. Your DHCP server isn't responding so your primary IP is getting self assigned.

Look at the config on a working PC show us all the NIC stats.
07:33pm 21/02/12 Permalink
Tiny
Brisbane, Queensland
3133 posts
Did this work before? Do other machines on the network have similar configurations?

I have setup dual IPS on the one NIC before but something doesn't feel right to me here about your setup. I don't know enough about networking to really be able to provide the exact cause here.

Try adding a gateway on the secondary IP and see what that does. Point it at the third party machine.

If that doesnt work consider looking on microsoft technet. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/149399

Edit : Is the primary IP set to Dynamic or static, ???
07:36pm 21/02/12 Permalink
fukles
Brisbane, Queensland
6010 posts
yeah 169.254 is bizarre but that is how they have set the dhcp scope and in theory should work the same as a typical IP range.
DHCP is up and assigns IPs. The actual DHCP scope is 169.254.1.3 --> 169.254.1.100 with 1.39 as one of the exceptions.

I work for a Point of sale company so don't have access to the router and would rather not touch it as in my experience once you touch something every thing from then on becomes your fault.
The previous machine had two network cards in bridge mode which worked up until the hardware fault. I was sure it could be set up with one nic from memory, apparently not.
It's been a few years since I've dealt with different logical IP ranges.

Capt'n that was just the default mask so I left it, I have tried 255.255.255.0 on both just in case but that didn't work either.
07:42pm 21/02/12 Permalink
Space Ninja
Sydney, New South Wales
3513 posts
I doubt you have a DHCP server assigning 169 addresses.

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/438733

07:46pm 21/02/12 Permalink
stinky
USA
3690 posts
are the two networks on seperate vlans ? If so you might need to use vlan tagging if your nic supports it ( and also make sure the switch is trunking ).

I think in win7 the 'alternative' config ip address settings are only valid if there is no dhcp server. You might be able to do it by manually setting the IP address it's being given ( and exclude the IP from the dhcp scope ).
08:18pm 21/02/12 Permalink
Captain Lateral
Brisbane, Queensland
4421 posts
I work for a Point of sale company
set the ip to 192.168.20.88 with gateway & DNS primary as either 192.168.20.100, 192.168.20.254 or 192.168.20.1.

if that doesn't work, try the 192.168.0.x range, the 192.168.1.x range then 10.0.0.x range.

also try ipconfig /release, ipconfig /renew in command prompt?



09:00pm 21/02/12 Permalink
Tiny
Brisbane, Queensland
3134 posts
Fucken point of sale game. This is why i don't do it anymore.

Constantly being expected to manage all things I.T just because you are there to install a register that happens to be a pc as well. All because the owners have been made some stupid promise by some fuckwit salesman in a suit who works with you.

Fuck that with a big bag of dicks i say.

Second ip I added is 10.8.172.151 so I can talk to a 3rd party machine 10.8.172.133.


This is a hotel isn't it? .133 is the range Max Gaming Site Controllers are assigned (130-133) on the network. Your machine is a site owned PC that needs to talk to the site controller to perform loyalty transactions for members? rightttt?
09:46pm 21/02/12 Permalink
fukles
Brisbane, Queensland
6011 posts
Hi Stinky :)
On this machine I have set everything manually.
this is one physical network but I need to connect to they 10.8.172.133 machine as well.

I can't change the ip ranges, if I could I wouldn't have a problem. It is not my network, this setup worked before but i'm not sure how. maybe they put something in the hosts file or what was done with the dual network cards, they we're bridged but when I bridge them the ip

I gave up and added a second nic :(
10:11pm 21/02/12 Permalink
mongie
Brisbane, Queensland
7521 posts
This is why I have a network team :D

Weird that they are using 169 range... cause 10.0.0.0/8 isn't enough.


Tell them that you need someone familiar with the network to explain why its so weird.
10:14pm 21/02/12 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
6527 posts
Check the metric on the 10/8 one. 169 is generally used to indicate 'not connected', so bets are it's seen that 10/8 is available, therefore it should use that to route to the if with 169.254/16
10:26pm 21/02/12 Permalink
fukles
Brisbane, Queensland
6012 posts
haha Tiny you got it, it is the max gaming loyalty controller, I work for Future who did you work for?

Wish I had a network team Mongie :P

Thanks for the tip Raven, I'm going to sus that shit out tomorrow. for the time being everything works(hostname resolving works now) except my Future machine can't get internet access(doesn't need to), so I'm currently remoting into another machine and vncing into my one. hah awesome sauce.
12:13am 22/02/12 Permalink
jmr
Brisbane, Queensland
7614 posts
Why don't you add a static route I think that might resolve it

edit: maxgaming lol wildcat
10:37am 22/02/12 Permalink
stinky
USA
3692 posts
if he's trying to access things on the same subnet a static route isn't necessary.
11:26am 22/02/12 Permalink
Tiny
Brisbane, Queensland
3135 posts
haha Tiny you got it, it is the max gaming loyalty controller, I work for Future who did you work for?


I worked for Worldsmart future(worldsmart retech) in 2008 for about 8 months but after that i went and worked at tatts group for 3 years. We provided support for the max gaming QLD network and its operations.

The best way I always found to fix the problem you are having.... is to set up a reserved IP for the machine and the manually configure the main IP/subnet/gateway. Then add in the secondary IP. At least thats how I always solved this problem for people.
04:04pm 22/02/12 Permalink
Obes
Brisbane, Queensland
9572 posts
I thought 169 is used by MS to basically say no DHCP server found but I will dodgy up some IP and maybe your shit will work.

1. DHCP server should not be assigning 169, if that is happening.
2. There is a fair to moderate chance that MS programmers do something whacky like
If any other net then 169, then use that and ignore 169 network.

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