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Win 7 64 bit Service Pack 1 - When is it coming out?
rrrocket
Brisbane, Queensland
1154 posts
And what will it do/improve?
11:08pm 16/02/11 Permalink
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11:08pm 16/02/11 Permalink
ctd
Brisbane, Queensland
9324 posts
It is coming out next week and it should improve your win ratio in sc2.
11:10pm 16/02/11 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
8907 posts
Why? What problem are you hoping to have fixed?
11:12pm 16/02/11 Permalink
rrrocket
Brisbane, Queensland
1155 posts
nothing, I just hope it doesn't break whats not broken.
11:20pm 16/02/11 Permalink
rrrocket
Brisbane, Queensland
1156 posts
don't play sc2 because it's not available on steam.
11:21pm 16/02/11 Permalink
Crakaveli
USA
5186 posts
Thought it was meant to come out sometime today/tomorrow?
11:23pm 16/02/11 Permalink
trillion
Brisbane, Queensland
1609 posts
i noticed nothing with the leaked sp1, its a transperant mu released as an sp for all intents and purposes of the average user

underneath maybe it cuts out stuxnets enabling frameworks? who knows really its all internal whatever it is

cue parody...
11:30pm 16/02/11 Permalink
KungFuCamel
Brisbane, Queensland
575 posts
remotefx and dynamic memory is great for virtualisation which is what SP1 introduces.
11:31pm 16/02/11 Permalink
Whoop
Brisbane, Queensland
17920 posts
either way I won't be installing it. nothing on my PC is broken, I'll be waiting to see what breaks on everyone elses before I go for it (that's assuming there's a 32bit sp1)
11:47pm 16/02/11 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
8908 posts
I'll install it, I've noticed a few niggles. Like now, if I create a new folder on remote shares or on my desktop (lol?) I have to press F5 to refresh before I see it and can rename it.

Damn annoying s***. It's reinstall worthy, I just CBF'd.
12:11am 17/02/11 Permalink
pARODY
Brisbane, Queensland
855 posts
I've not seen much other than framework expansion ideas for some of the API which needed to be done. Many .DLL files have been recompiled with ASLR and DEP enabled which will break many exploits which relied on them being in predictable locations in memory.
01:17am 17/02/11 Permalink
Jabroney
Queensland
1299 posts
I've got the exact same thing happening to me pinky
10:37am 17/02/11 Permalink
tspec
Melbourne, Victoria
3046 posts
Looking forward to trying out remotefx as well. I was thinking they'd also bundle IE9 into SP1 but maybe not.
10:51am 17/02/11 Permalink
`ViPER`
Brisbane, Queensland
3540 posts
its a bloody 2gb service pack
11:27am 17/02/11 Permalink
simul
Brisbane, Queensland
1065 posts
I heard that W7-SP1 was going to be much more of just a bundle of existing fixes. In the SP1 doco:

Service Pack 1 for Windows 7 will include previously released updates.

The impact of SP1 on the Windows 7 client operating system is considered to be minimal. Included changes are expected to address minor usability issues in specific scenarios. While Microsoft always recommends that users deploy the latest service pack as quickly as possible in order to maintain the best levels of support, security and user experience, we are strongly recommending to customers and partners that deployment of SP1 should not be considered a blocking issue for the adoption of Windows 7. In other words, organizations do not need to wait for SP1 to begin receiving the value of Windows 7 today as we don?t anticipate the SP1 for Windows 7 to be substantial.
12:15pm 17/02/11 Permalink
Whoop
Brisbane, Queensland
17922 posts
I've not seen much other than framework expansion ideas for some of the API which needed to be done. Many .DLL files have been recompiled with ASLR and DEP enabled which will break many exploits which relied on them being in predictable locations in memory.

By exploits do you mean virii or those not so kosher loaders used by those who sail the seven seas?
07:08pm 17/02/11 Permalink
mooby
Brisbane, Queensland
5898 posts
its out on msdn
07:51pm 18/02/11 Permalink
`ViPER`
Brisbane, Queensland
3560 posts
Its a pain the way they released it on msdn, you can only get the 2gb iso wit the x86 x64 and Itanium versions of the service pack.

That actual sevice pack for each system is only about 500mb.

kicked off the install on my work laptop, see how its gone on monday
07:59pm 18/02/11 Permalink
tspec
Melbourne, Victoria
3048 posts
Looks like it hit VLSC about three days ago as well. The 2Gb not only including all languages, 32/64bit but is also win7 + win2k8. Guess I'll grab the iso to try it out for myself but will definitely wait til it hits windows updates to push through wsus for other machines.
09:44pm 18/02/11 Permalink
Jabroney
Queensland
1302 posts
Got it, and I'm still here.

fixed that annoying refresh that I had to do after creating a new file, dont notice anything else yet tho
08:58pm 23/02/11 Permalink
Dan
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Brisbane, Queensland
11147 posts
Just got the windows update notification for it in regular old x64. Says the size is "73.6 MB - 892.6 MB".
09:01pm 23/02/11 Permalink
mooby
Brisbane, Queensland
5907 posts
installed it this morn.
09:06pm 23/02/11 Permalink
Skitza
Brisbane, Queensland
9315 posts
All good so far. No major differences so far really...
10:48pm 23/02/11 Permalink
pARODY
Brisbane, Queensland
860 posts
By exploits do you mean virii or those not so kosher loaders used by those who sail the seven seas?


By exploits I mean code injected into an application that crashes it, takes control of the process and runs the shellcode put into memory. ASLR is Address Space Layer Randomization, it loads .DLL files into randomized locations in memory so that you can't predict where functions are in memory for your exploit's shellcode to use. DEP is Data Execution Protection which sets the pages/segments in memory to be W^X mode ( write or execute ) which stops shellcode from using kernel functions to access the routines at ring0 to set permissions on active or new memory segments. Put these 2 protection methods together and you make exploiting IE/Adobe/firefox/etc much harder as you will not be able to use the shellcode to run VirtualProtect() or WriteProcessMemory() to allow your shellcode to execute via Return Oriented Programming aka ROP.

Virus code and cracks/trainers are just normal programs that have been built/compiled with linker information on which libraries to load and which functions they require. Shellcode used in exploits needs to travel without that data and build it at execution time. Using existing functions in the shellcode helps keep it small enough that you don't push beyond the stack/heap frame space given by the original overflow.

[BITS 32]
XOR ECX, ECX ; ECX = 0
MOV ESI, [FS:ECX + 0x30] ; ESI = &(PEB) ([FS:0x30])
MOV ESI, [ESI + 0x0C] ; ESI = PEB->Ldr
MOV ESI, [ESI + 0x1C] ; ESI = PEB->Ldr.InInitOrder
next_module:
MOV EBP, [ESI + 0x08] ; EBP = InInitOrder[X].base_address
MOV EDI, [ESI + 0x20] ; EBP = InInitOrder[X].module_name (unicode)
MOV ESI, [ESI] ; ESI = InInitOrder[X].flink (next module)
CMP [EDI + 12*2], CL ; modulename[12] == 0 ?
JNE next_module ; No: try next module.

Using this code I can find the base address of Kernel32 and then .... wait. What was I talking about again?

Yeah never mind me. :P

02:18am 24/02/11 Permalink
tspec
Melbourne, Victoria
3050 posts
Installed it on about 15 odd servers last night including exchange and AD servers. No issues so far.
09:42am 24/02/11 Permalink
Whoop
Brisbane, Queensland
17964 posts
assembly mmmmm, I wish I could get my head around that.
06:08pm 24/02/11 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
9008 posts
Says the size is "73.6 MB - 892.6 MB".

Seems very specific. Are they sure?
06:14pm 24/02/11 Permalink
Whoop
Brisbane, Queensland
17970 posts
It depends what updates & addons you've already got installed, noob.
06:29pm 24/02/11 Permalink
`ViPER`
Brisbane, Queensland
3600 posts
Installed it on about 15 odd servers last night including exchange and AD servers. No issues so far.


Realy? thats a pretty big call to go straight to production on 15 servers on a service pack that came out days ago.
06:33pm 24/02/11 Permalink
crazymorton
Brisbane, Queensland
1720 posts
i agree with pARODY
except maybe that bit........nah i agree

(pssst pARODY...keep off the Red Bull for a while)
06:50pm 24/02/11 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
9011 posts
It depends what updates & addons you've already got installed, noob.

Haha, you don't f**n say!? You can go back to playing with your tardis now, Whoop! :P

FYI, it was 94MB for me and my computer is pretty much up to date always.
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