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Curiosity Rover Mars Landing
E.T.
Queensland
4370 posts
A nice video showing the details of how much needs to go right for the landing to be a success.

The landing is scheduled to happen at 10:31PM PDT 5 August which is I think is 12:31pm 3:31pm Monday afternoon on the Australian East Coast.




More info at the Mars Science Lab web site:
http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/
11:30pm 04/08/12 Permalink
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Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19696 posts
Nah, its 3:31pm, PDT is GMT -7

But yeah, I'll be tuning into this for sure, hopefully the live stream from Nasa is up to the task!
02:54am 05/08/12 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
13528 posts
Yep, Khel is correct. Can't wait.
03:25pm 05/08/12 Permalink
parabol
Brisbane, Queensland
7168 posts
Yep 3:30pm Monday.

http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/ustream.html
or
http://www.ustream.tv/nasahdtv?rmalang=en_US

.. for HD streams. They have been able to keep up with demand for the last few big events that they've shown. I'd recommend logging in about 15-30 mins beforehand anyway.
03:45pm 05/08/12 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
13529 posts
03:47pm 05/08/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19698 posts
Such a complex process to land it, I can imagine being one of the engineers who worked on this would be both incredibly exciting and incredibly terrifying.
05:13pm 05/08/12 Permalink
E.T.
Queensland
4372 posts
They should have landed someplace close to the Spirit Rover so they could pull it out of the sand. That would have been great :)

Long distance recovery vehicle.
06:02pm 05/08/12 Permalink
WetWired
Brisbane, Queensland
6055 posts
I hope no one doing the calculations divided by 0
07:49pm 05/08/12 Permalink
WirlWind
Central Coast, New South Wales
297 posts
I hope no one doing the calculations divided by 0


As someone who mislabelled a single variable in a program which stopped the entire thing working, I can only hope similar positive thoughts.

All it could take is forgetting to capitalize an A

XD
08:13pm 05/08/12 Permalink
mooby
Brisbane, Queensland
6153 posts
throw new ArumentDivideByZeroError
09:41pm 05/08/12 Permalink
Bah
Brisbane, Queensland
4751 posts
They already did something similar with a previous mars mission.
09:59pm 05/08/12 Permalink
FaceMan
Brisbane, Queensland
9178 posts
ARE WE THERE YET ?
10:09pm 05/08/12 Permalink
Dazhel
Gold Coast, Queensland
5125 posts
They already did something similar with a previous mars mission.

Mars Polar Lander.
They've just finished paying off the Mastercard. Fingers crossed they don't get another priceless look on their faces.
10:12pm 05/08/12 Permalink
parabol
Brisbane, Queensland
7170 posts
Bit of explanation as to what images to expect:

http://spectrum.ieee.org/automaton/robotics/robotics-software/msl-when-well-see-the-first-images-from-the-surface

(Basically a 64x64 pixel thumbnail may be sent straight after landing, or a larger version 2 hours later)

Info about the timeline of events:

http://spectrum.ieee.org/automaton/robotics/robotics-hardware/msl-what-to-expect-on-sunday-night

Info about the comms link and its challenges:



last edited by parabol at 10:13:17 06/Aug/12
10:08am 06/08/12 Permalink
BOOST
Brisbane, Queensland
502 posts
Here's a good video showing how it will land (3 mins long)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4YqNoLkmxE&feature=youtu.be

11:29am 06/08/12 Permalink
Nerfy
Brisbane, Queensland
6309 posts
You can watch it getting closer and closer in this realtime Java simulation, it's ridiculously cool. http://eyes.nasa.gov/

Click go to landing site and zoom out from there...

http://i.imgur.com/ILgtV.png

You can also run the full landing simulation back and forward.
01:52pm 06/08/12 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
5929 posts
7.5 minutes till it lands?
02:53pm 06/08/12 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
7262 posts
Nah it's a bit shy of 35 minutes, ~27 minutes to entry.
02:56pm 06/08/12 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
5930 posts
Ah okay, i just jumped on ustream and noticed that they have a link to a broadcast of the landing. Though i just tuned in so i'm not sure what's happening and can't really turn up the sound.
http://www.ustream.tv/nasajpl
02:58pm 06/08/12 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
7263 posts
Yeah, it's here, but it's getting jumpier and jumpier (even on a 600Mbit connection) as we get closer to target:
http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/multimedia/nasatv/
03:02pm 06/08/12 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
5931 posts
Awesome! The ustream is pretty smooth right now on ustream.
03:03pm 06/08/12 Permalink
thermite
Brisbane, Queensland
9976 posts
03:11pm 06/08/12 Permalink
demon
Brisbane, Queensland
6919 posts
early hi-5's lol
03:15pm 06/08/12 Permalink
Nerfy
Brisbane, Queensland
6310 posts
The simulation says that it's released, but I'm presuming there's that 7 minutes or something until the signal reaches Earth?
03:15pm 06/08/12 Permalink
eski
Perth, Western Australia
1008 posts
$2.5 billion on the line!
03:17pm 06/08/12 Permalink
kappa
Brisbane, Queensland
1916 posts
I'm boggin'!
03:20pm 06/08/12 Permalink
Crakaveli
USA
6186 posts
This is awesome.
03:30pm 06/08/12 Permalink
Crakaveli
USA
6187 posts
Touch down!
03:32pm 06/08/12 Permalink
eski
Perth, Western Australia
1009 posts
Wooooooooooooooooo!
03:32pm 06/08/12 Permalink
mental
Brisbane, Queensland
3396 posts
Touchdown confirmed.


^and the guy called F** Li
03:32pm 06/08/12 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
5932 posts
Woo
03:32pm 06/08/12 Permalink
Nerfy
Brisbane, Queensland
6311 posts
They're so happy.

Now find some life daggnagit.
03:34pm 06/08/12 Permalink
eski
Perth, Western Australia
1010 posts
lol @ twitter

MarsCuriosity - "GALE CRATER I AM IN YOU!!!"
03:36pm 06/08/12 Permalink
demon
Brisbane, Queensland
6920 posts
images! yaaaaaaaaaaay! well done nasa & co :D

mad props.
03:36pm 06/08/12 Permalink
toonom
Brisbane, Queensland
207 posts
Woo they did it!
03:36pm 06/08/12 Permalink
glynd
Melbourne, Victoria
729 posts
that was great to watch! fantastic!!
03:36pm 06/08/12 Permalink
kappa
Brisbane, Queensland
1917 posts
F*** yes wd Nasa JPL! Such an awesome moment.
03:40pm 06/08/12 Permalink
Midda
Brisbane, Queensland
7959 posts
03:52pm 06/08/12 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
21215 posts
Damn I missed it... someone link me up with a youtube :P
03:52pm 06/08/12 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
13534 posts
lol fpot.

The NASA MSL site is still showing 24min to landing even though they have a 'landed' article now, haha. Whoops.

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/msl/index.html

http://i.imgur.com/I3KzN.png
03:54pm 06/08/12 Permalink
thermite
Brisbane, Queensland
9978 posts
Pinky - being a web developer is a lot more challenging than rocket science.
03:59pm 06/08/12 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
21216 posts
Pinky: the countdown is counting up for me.
04:00pm 06/08/12 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
13535 posts
Yeah I think it mast have passed through zero and is counting up now. Hence the caption is only incorrect ;)
04:01pm 06/08/12 Permalink
natslovR
Sydney, New South Wales
7874 posts
04:02pm 06/08/12 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
7264 posts
How bad would you have felt if you were the one guy on the team who's responsibility it had been for a part that failed.

Massively ambitious project that was, I mean really - "let's levitate a platform and hang a car from it to safely place it on the ground. Oh, and it's all going to be computer-controlled and automated". I'd have loved to be a fly on the wall in that concept meeting, titled "How are we going to get a rover on to the ground?" - especially after episode 1 concluded with "we'll put it inside a giant Zorb and just let it bounce down".
04:03pm 06/08/12 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
21217 posts
Can someone quickly answer why previous Mars rover landings haven't received as much fanfare as this one? I know it is because this one had the tricky landing method, but why did previous missions not use this method?
04:04pm 06/08/12 Permalink
thermite
Brisbane, Queensland
9979 posts
...plus nobody cheers and hugs me when I have a successful release
04:04pm 06/08/12 Permalink
trog
AGN Admin
Brisbane, Queensland
36407 posts
that was f***** awesome
04:09pm 06/08/12 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
13536 posts
...why did previous missions not use this method?

Because of the weight of Curiosity. It weighs half a tonne compared to the others which are tiny.

I'd have to disagree about 'fanfare' as well - Sojourner and Opportunity had a mighty amount of press in Australia.

Sojourner landed like this...

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/1025/800pxpathfinderairbagsg.jpg
04:14pm 06/08/12 Permalink
Superform
Netherlands
7483 posts
04:19pm 06/08/12 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
21218 posts
What do you mean disagree with fanfare as well... what was the first thing you disagreed with? :P
04:30pm 06/08/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19699 posts
F*** it, I had to go out and missed it :( Is there a replay or something somewhere? Was there actually a camera or footage of it going through the whole landing process?
05:10pm 06/08/12 Permalink
Nerfy
Brisbane, Queensland
6312 posts
F*** it, I had to go out and missed it :( Is there a replay or something somewhere? Was there actually a camera or footage of it going through the whole landing process?

In the stream, they just reported on the events but didn't show them, at most they showed outtakes from the simulation software I posted earlier. (You can run forward and back through time with that if you want).
05:12pm 06/08/12 Permalink
glynd
Melbourne, Victoria
730 posts
F*** it, I had to go out and missed it :( Is there a replay or something somewhere? Was there actually a camera or footage of it going through the whole landing process?


there you go. seeing the reaction of the progress of the landing was better than the animation imo. although i remember hearing more from the crowd and was smoother live.

06:13pm 06/08/12 Permalink
FraktuRe
Gold Coast, Queensland
4330 posts
I was watching the feed and at some point before it hit the atmosphere a guy said it was 2.something meters off course, and the WHOLE room gasped and went silent, until some other dude said 'it's okay, that's within tolerance' and everyone breathed again. Those people must have been so tense the whole time.
08:50pm 06/08/12 Permalink
E.T.
Queensland
4375 posts
At least this beast wont have to worry about getting a recharge of the sun. Curiosity has a radioisotope thermoelectric generator. Sounds f*****g wicked.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioisotope_Thermoelectric_Generator
08:58pm 06/08/12 Permalink
Dazhel
Gold Coast, Queensland
5126 posts
2 meters off course sounds pretty bloody impressive to a layman, after the thing travelled about 570 million kilometers.
Though with interplanetary spacecraft it's understandable those guys are tense, it'd be interesting to know how far within the tolerance that was. Maybe an extra meter off course would have been the difference between cheers & crash?
11:00pm 06/08/12 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
5935 posts
I think what helps make it tense is the fact that they're not getting the data in realtime; they're getting it late which means that if it crashed, they wouldn't have known till minutes later!
11:25pm 06/08/12 Permalink
Midda
Brisbane, Queensland
7962 posts
11:47pm 06/08/12 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
13537 posts
I was watching the feed and at some point before it hit the atmosphere a guy said it was 2.something meters off course, and the WHOLE room gasped and went silent, until some other dude said 'it's okay, that's within tolerance' and everyone breathed again. Those people must have been so tense the whole time.

They probably all thought, "S*** - I hope I didn't do my calcs in feet again!?"
What do you mean disagree with fanfare as well... what was the first thing you disagreed with? :P

Touche.
11:56pm 06/08/12 Permalink
dais
Brisbane, Queensland
9838 posts
12:23am 07/08/12 Permalink
E.T.
Queensland
4376 posts
NASA's Curiosity rover and its parachute were spotted by NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter as Curiosity descended to the surface on Aug. 5 PDT (Aug. 6 EDT). The High-Resolution Imaging Science Experiment (HiRISE) camera captured this image of Curiosity while the orbiter was listening to transmissions from the rover.
http://img815.imageshack.us/img815/3451/673735mainpia1597843800.jpg
By et1965 at 2012-08-06

Image thanks to the brillian people at www.nasa.gov
09:31am 07/08/12 Permalink
Mephz
Brisbane, Queensland
1139 posts
Pic below shows where the landing tolerance was.
Quite large. It was 2KM off course, not 2M.

Above pic from NASA and caption below:
The green diamond shows approximately where NASA's Curiosity rover landed on Mars, a region about 2 kilometers northeast of its target in the center of the estimated landing region (blue ellipse). The location of the diamond is based on Earth-based navigation data taken prior to Curiosity's entry into the Martian atmosphere, as well as data taken by the rover's navigation instruments during descent.





last edited by Mephz at 09:35:34 07/Aug/12

last edited by Mephz at 09:36:31 07/Aug/12
09:33am 07/08/12 Permalink
eski
Perth, Western Australia
1011 posts
Awesome photo ET!
09:47am 07/08/12 Permalink
greazy
Brisbane, Queensland
5524 posts
Why are the pictures so s***? Turns out they're using 2 of 17 cameras! The mestcam can take those nice colour pictures.
10:36am 07/08/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19701 posts
Wish they had pictures of it doing the skycrane maneuver, that sounded like the coolest part
10:37am 07/08/12 Permalink
kappa
Brisbane, Queensland
1918 posts
The Curiosity Mars Descent Imager (MARDI) captured the rover's descent to the surface of the Red Planet. The instrument shot 4 fps video from heatshield separation to the ground.
10:40am 07/08/12 Permalink
Midda
Brisbane, Queensland
7963 posts
F***, that's awesome to see video of s*** moving on Mars, even if it is only 4 frames per second.
11:14am 07/08/12 Permalink
Nerfy
Brisbane, Queensland
6313 posts
Sometimes I think "I've seen Mars pictures before", but then I think "Holy s***, that's a whole nother world, floating way over there" and am excited all over again.
12:05pm 07/08/12 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
21224 posts
I like Venus pictures the best.
12:21pm 07/08/12 Permalink
E.T.
Queensland
4377 posts
I like Venus pictures the best.


I like Venus Penis pictures the best

Fixed your typo for you Fpot :)
12:37pm 07/08/12 Permalink
Python
Sydney, New South Wales
1588 posts
07:59pm 07/08/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19705 posts
Wow, 24 failed missions to mars, didn't know that
08:55pm 07/08/12 Permalink
Zakson
Gold Coast, Queensland
257 posts
"Holy s***, that's a whole nother world, floating way over there"

A whole OTHER world. Pet hate. :)
09:39pm 07/08/12 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
21236 posts
I think the nother denoted awe.
Fixed your typo for you Fpot :)
I always make that mistake. You should hear me sing Penus. I mean Venus.
09:55pm 07/08/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19706 posts
I love google image search, did a search for "Penis di milo" and not only did it correct me and ask "Did you mean Penis De Milo", but it then went ahead and found this for me

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060803034028/uncyclopedia/images/8/8b/Penis_de_milo.jpg
10:37pm 07/08/12 Permalink
E.T.
Queensland
4378 posts
Speaking of Google, did any of you notice this a couple of days ago.

http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/8683/javelin2012hp.jpg
By et1965 at 2012-08-07

Sneaky buggers at Google, well done.
10:52pm 07/08/12 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
13540 posts
First full colour pic, taken at low res and through the dust cover:

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/2556/fullcolor.jpg

Excellent write up: http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/12/08/where-exactly-is-the-curiosity-rover-on-mars/260834/

I hope they go visit the sky-crane wreckage later in the program when the thing runs 10 years longer than it should.
10:50am 08/08/12 Permalink
Mantis
Brisbane, Queensland
959 posts
10:54am 08/08/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15682 posts
http://i.imgur.com/Ne1It.jpg

that's mt sharp in the background. it's 6.5km high.



I hope they go visit the sky-crane wreckage later in the program when the thing runs 10 years longer than it should.


the vid posted earlier said it only has enough power to run constantly for 1 martian year.
11:13am 08/08/12 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
7267 posts
I don't understand that. I think it only has enough power to run *everything* for one martain year. The RTU will still be at above 80% capacity after 14 years. IIRC the RTU provides 392W, and it will need 100W to move around.
In other words, they'll still be playing with it in 2040.

Worth noting that the maximum speed of Curiosity is only 130m/h.
11:31am 08/08/12 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
17069 posts
littering mars already, we've got skills
12:24pm 08/08/12 Permalink
Trauma
Melbourne, Victoria
2821 posts
Pretty awesome how well the components spread out there, NASA and Co. really nailed this one.

littering mars already, we've got skills
Oh noes
01:23pm 08/08/12 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
13542 posts
I think the most inspiring image of Mars to date was from Opportunity - assembled last month:

(I won't embed because it's pretty big)

http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA15689.jpg
06:14pm 08/08/12 Permalink
Crakaveli
USA
6191 posts
^That picture is all kinds of awesome. Can't wait to see what Curiosity comes up with.
07:00pm 08/08/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19717 posts
I like how in that picture it looks like someone has taken Opportunity out and done some circle work with it. Doughies on mars; so bogan and yet so cool all at the same time.
09:38pm 08/08/12 Permalink
dais
Brisbane, Queensland
9851 posts
09:40pm 08/08/12 Permalink
E.T.
Queensland
4382 posts
hehe. I liked it :)
11:13pm 08/08/12 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
13543 posts
12:42am 09/08/12 Permalink
kos
Germany
2124 posts
"Holy s***, that's a whole nother world, floating way over there"
A whole OTHER world. Pet hate. :)

IMO "a-whole-nother" is just as valid as "fan-f*****g-tastic", which is awesomely valid!

This is a linguistic device known as tmesis.
01:29am 09/08/12 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
13546 posts
How is "a whole nother" tmesis?

The correct statement would be "a whole other" - there is no hyphenated additional word or phrase. It's just flat-out wrong.
01:35am 09/08/12 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
13547 posts
First landscape pic: http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/21/curiosity20rover20first.jpg

This was taken with MAHLI but the dust cover is closed. Word on the street is that everything is working correctly so far.

The MAHLI camera was designed to acquire close-up views of rocks and other artifacts on Martian soil, but because it can focus from 2.1 centimeters to infinity, NASA can use it to take pictures of the Martian landscape as well.

Among other activities performed yesterday, the JPL engineers deployed the high-gain antenna, which sits on the rover's back. This antenna allows Curiosity to communicate directly with Earth. Initial tests showed that the antenna is not perfectly positioned, and a correction will be sent to the rover tomorrow. Also tomorrow, the plan is to deploy the rover's mast, which should be an exciting event -- Curiosity raising its head.
01:40am 09/08/12 Permalink
kos
Germany
2126 posts
How is "a whole nother" tmesis?The correct statement would be "a whole other" - there is no hyphenated additional word or phrase. It's just flat-out wrong.

Seriously? It's tmesis because you take the word 'another' and then add 'whole' in the middle.

This page couldn't sum it up any better really.
01:46am 09/08/12 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
13549 posts
Fair enough.

I submit.

You may have won the battle, kos, but you have not won the war.

http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/7339/animedoctorclaw.jpg
01:49am 09/08/12 Permalink
kos
Germany
2127 posts
You are a gentleman and a scholar Pinky, therefore only when I stand atop a mountain made of your rotting corpses shall I declare myself the victor.
01:51am 09/08/12 Permalink
eski
Perth, Western Australia
1012 posts
plus its a star wars reference so +1 for relevance
01:53pm 09/08/12 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
7275 posts
How come there's so much dust and haze in all the photos? Is this just regular dust/sand storm activity, have they churned it up when they landed and it takes ages to settle, or is this some kind of property of the crater?
02:04pm 09/08/12 Permalink
Tollaz0r!
Brisbane, Queensland
12944 posts
Did anyone else really want to own Inspector Gadgets car? I still do.
02:04pm 09/08/12 Permalink
eski
Perth, Western Australia
1013 posts
Raven - because they haven't taken the dust covers off the cameras yet.
02:17pm 09/08/12 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
13553 posts
02:33pm 09/08/12 Permalink
E.T.
Queensland
4383 posts
Couple of stereo pics have come out:http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/681/nasamarsrovercuriositys.jpgFirst 360' panorama:http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/674898main_pia16013-full_full.jpg


Not even close to 360 degrees Pinky. :{
05:49pm 09/08/12 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
13555 posts
Yeah you're right.
05:51pm 09/08/12 Permalink
eski
Perth, Western Australia
1015 posts
Man, those pics just scream seafloor! All those little rocks, how did they get so small and smooth!!
05:52pm 09/08/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15690 posts
06:19pm 09/08/12 Permalink
E.T.
Queensland
4384 posts
Man, those pics just scream seafloor! All those little rocks, how did they get so small and smooth!!


They get the odd dust storm out there ya know. Sandblasting tends to wear them down.
06:47pm 09/08/12 Permalink
kos
Germany
2128 posts
Man that panorama is awesome, loving the higher res on the new photos.
07:07pm 09/08/12 Permalink
parabol
Brisbane, Queensland
7178 posts
http://users.on.net/~deadsimple/images/m.jpg

last edited by parabol at 00:28:50 10/Aug/12
12:27am 10/08/12 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
13556 posts
Mad, parabol!
12:32am 10/08/12 Permalink
Vash
3584 posts
Unfortunately, after riding many a dirt road in my time... just looks like a dirt road in outback australia.
02:11am 10/08/12 Permalink
mental
Brisbane, Queensland
3404 posts
I feel sorry for whomever walks into the bathroom and finds your body in the bathtub with your wrists slashed Vash :(
06:27am 10/08/12 Permalink
StopShootingMe
Brisbane, Queensland
3574 posts
That's a nice shot of the tyre tread; note the morse code it leaves in it's track is it rolls "J P L".
08:13am 10/08/12 Permalink
Mephz
Brisbane, Queensland
1142 posts
Unfortunately, after riding many a dirt road in my time... just looks like a dirt road in outback australia.
Yes, the terrain is somewhat surreal in that you could imagine standing in a similar place on earth because of the high res photos.
But you have to remember, regardless of how boring it looks. It's another freakin' planet!!!! That in itself, with that quality of imagery is absolutely astounding in it's own right and damn exciting!
08:41am 10/08/12 Permalink
Damo
Brisbane, Queensland
6237 posts
I'm laughing at all the morons over at dpreview complaining about image quality when pics first came out.
09:12am 10/08/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19725 posts
Do they have a colour camera on it?
10:09am 10/08/12 Permalink
Nerfy
Brisbane, Queensland
6317 posts
Do they have a colour camera on it?

I think that the normal stuff wasn't going to turn on for a full week or something, to allow the dust settle or stuff to power up or something.

They do have two high resolution colour cameras on the top AFAIK.
10:15am 10/08/12 Permalink
scuzzy
Brisbane, Queensland
15439 posts
They do have two high resolution colour cameras on the top AFAIK.
This is quite interesting http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/134239-why-does-the-2-5-billion-curiosity-use-a-2-megapixel-camera

last edited by scuzzy at 10:18:39 10/Aug/12
10:16am 10/08/12 Permalink
eski
Perth, Western Australia
1018 posts
They get the odd dust storm out there ya know. Sandblasting tends to wear them down.


awww , party pooper :P
10:50am 10/08/12 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
13557 posts
Wow, 32MB total data transfer a day - Vodafone must have the contract for their satellites :P
11:03am 10/08/12 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
7277 posts
11:10am 10/08/12 Permalink
Dazhel
Gold Coast, Queensland
5134 posts
Wow, 32MB total data transfer a day - Vodafone must have the contract for their satellites :P


Hehe :)
Voda are thieves, but they're not that bad.
The mission time is 1 martian year (~687 days), so best case scenario that's just under 22GB of mission data back from Mars. Over the life of the $2.5B mission that's approx $114M per gigabyte. Voda's worst business plan is around $150 per gigabyte.
11:36am 10/08/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19726 posts
At 32MB/day, I wonder how long it'd take to rack this up.


About 1542328639510 years
11:38am 10/08/12 Permalink
FaceMan
Brisbane, Queensland
9183 posts
just looks like a dirt road in outback australia


No Comment.
11:57am 10/08/12 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
7278 posts
Argh, don't feed the trolls!
12:05pm 10/08/12 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
13558 posts
About 1542328639510 years

Did you use MiB accidentally?
No Comment.

Hahaha.

Hang on! Isn't that the West MacDonnell Range?

I seem to recall from that ABC doco "The Planets" that there is a canyon on Mars 30+km deep. Can we send a rover there? Stat.

Also, the NBN cost has blown out to 50bil or something - if this s*** only costs 2.5bil can we start our own space industry already?
12:24pm 10/08/12 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
13560 posts
03:26pm 10/08/12 Permalink
Dazhel
Gold Coast, Queensland
5136 posts
Man, NASA's world seed sucks.
There's no trees for miles, no trees means you can't build a crafting bench, no crafting bench means you can't build good tools and no tools means mining iron, gold & diamond ore is impossible. Their best bet is to keep driving the rover into they reach the next biome.
05:44pm 10/08/12 Permalink
E.T.
Queensland
4386 posts
08:08pm 10/08/12 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
21244 posts
So like pffft, they could have spent all the money they spent on this for more schools, or cells for those boat people or something. How does this help US ie. me exactly?
10:20pm 10/08/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15699 posts
i know you're trolling but figured i would post these anyway.



10:47pm 10/08/12 Permalink
E.T.
Queensland
4387 posts
So like pffft, they could have spent all the money they spent on this for more schools, or cells for those boat people or something. How does this help US ie. me exactly?


Should you climb back up a tree and throw poo at the rest of us or would you rather come along for the ride?
10:47pm 10/08/12 Permalink
FaceMan
Brisbane, Queensland
9185 posts
Someone is watching

11:26pm 10/08/12 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
13561 posts
Thanks for circling that, FaceMan. Otherwise I probably would have thought it was just dirt on the dust cover.
11:36pm 10/08/12 Permalink
parabol
Brisbane, Queensland
7183 posts
Did you darken the blob in Photoshop all by yourself Faceman? Cause that's cute.

The unmodified photo is fairly boring and uneventful:

http://users.on.net/~deadsimple/images/RearRightHaz_PIA15972-br.jpg

(Original Image Link)

last edited by parabol at 01:25:27 11/Aug/12
01:23am 11/08/12 Permalink
dais
Brisbane, Queensland
9873 posts
It's teh Decepticons.
01:44am 11/08/12 Permalink
mental
Brisbane, Queensland
3407 posts
Humans are curious by nature Fpot, without curiosity we don't have much drive except sexual, and if we act upon that but not curiosity we are left with an Earth full of people with nowhere to put the c****.

Plus Three titied b******. Full f*****g Stop. End of Story. Do not proceed past go, directly to Jail.
01:50am 11/08/12 Permalink
Nerfy
Brisbane, Queensland
6321 posts
fpot was being sarcastic I believe, but it was subtle and required double takes and the like. Of the Poe's Law variety.
01:52am 11/08/12 Permalink
mental
Brisbane, Queensland
3409 posts
Yes sir, but I would like to point out that I don't really think there are "three titied b****** on Mars" Nerfy.
01:58am 11/08/12 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
13563 posts
Oh parabol! You're so naive!

:P
02:35am 11/08/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15700 posts
the image faceman posted isn't dust on the lens. it's an impact cloud caused by the rockets crashing after they lowered the rover to the ground. nasa confirmed it.
10:52am 11/08/12 Permalink
FaceMan
Brisbane, Queensland
9186 posts
yeah ive heard that story.
i wonder what the odds of that happening were ?
to be facing that direction and be able to see it.
11:27am 11/08/12 Permalink
FaceMan
Brisbane, Queensland
9187 posts
http://www.news.com.au/top-stories/dust-cloud-from-curiosity-rovers-crashed-rocket-pack/story-e6frfkp9-1226448104242

It "was an amazing coincidence that we were able to catch this impact," said engineer Steve Sell of the NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory



-_-a

last edited by FaceMan at 11:39:53 11/Aug/12
11:38am 11/08/12 Permalink
Insom
Canada
4050 posts
i'm guessing the dust cloud would "of" lingered for a little while but the camera facing that way is a bit of a fluke
11:38am 11/08/12 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
13564 posts
Ha! How lucky is that!? Cool.

Here's an ani GIF they created - they had the hazard avoidance camera shooting as the thing was being lowered by the sky-crane.

http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/675871main_pia16043-946c.gif

Colour panorama:

http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/675227main_pia16029-full_full.jpg

There's also a gallery just for raw images:

http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/multimedia/raw/
12:42pm 11/08/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4875 posts
It sure would make things interesting
http://i.imgur.com/HiS0x.jpg

Can't unsee
http://i.imgur.com/rYdOJ.jpg
01:13pm 11/08/12 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
13565 posts
Haha DM. That top pic is awesome. Can you imagine!?

The first thing we'd have to find out is what they taste like.
01:17pm 11/08/12 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
17079 posts
that would be awesome
01:17pm 11/08/12 Permalink
eski
Perth, Western Australia
1021 posts
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say - chicken

Between the descent footage, the skycrane explosion and the parachute sequence been shot from space, they've been insanely lucky at catching some of the most interesting moments of the mission. Happy Camper!
01:19pm 11/08/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19730 posts
i wonder what the odds of that happening were ?
to be facing that direction and be able to see it.


Pretty good I'd imagine, since they'd know beforehand exactly what direction it was going to fly off in after it dropped off the rover.
01:32pm 11/08/12 Permalink
3dee
Brisbane, Queensland
7093 posts
3D cross-eye stereo images!

http://imgur.com/a/Mc9OA
01:50pm 11/08/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19732 posts
Just looks like two pictures next to each other, no matter how much I cross my eyes :(
02:12pm 11/08/12 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
13566 posts
3D cross-eye stereo images!

http://imgur.com/a/Mc9OA

Those images have far too dramatic stereo effect since they are close up. They are basically useless as stereo images IMO - the cameras are too far apart and the range too close.

Anyway, use this Khel: http://stereo.jpn.org/eng/stvply/index.html

Select input Side-by-Side 50% and then go to Stereo-> Red/Cyan if you want to view anaglyph or you can try page flip mode if you have shutter glasses and nVidia 3DVision.
02:29pm 11/08/12 Permalink
parabol
Brisbane, Queensland
7185 posts
Below is an update video from the project leaders about the info they received from Curiosity and the orbiting satellites during and after landing. Good detail about what the flight hardware was doing and how well the location/speed estimates were throughout the descent, and how the videos/pictures correlate to what was going on.

Also details how the rover was launched with mainly flight software and minimal surface software (only enough to look around after landing and accept further software), and hey they're uploading more complete surface software remotely so that it can then drive around and use its robotic instruments.

Jump to 8mins if you want the intro. Or instead jump to 11mins for the technical part of the talk:



last edited by parabol at 15:41:09 11/Aug/12
03:39pm 11/08/12 Permalink
Insom
Canada
4051 posts
really? it sounds like they only put a few megs worth of storage in the thing, is it that hard to make Mars-ready storage that they prefer to do an apt-get across space?

still it's a cool video, it's interesting how they fine tuned the trajectory etc
09:14am 12/08/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15709 posts
it only has 2gb of flash memory. an iphone is more powerful than the computer on the rover.
09:36am 12/08/12 Permalink
E.T.
Queensland
4389 posts
it only has 2gb of flash memory. an iphone is more powerful than the computer on the rover.


But 11,000,000 times less reliable.
11:22am 12/08/12 Permalink
parabol
Brisbane, Queensland
7187 posts
is it that hard to make Mars-ready storage that they prefer to do an apt-get across space?

Yep it's that hard.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_hardening

You have radiation belts while leaving earth, cosmic rays and solar particles on transit and on mars, etc. They really mess with electronics, which is why they are usually made from specific materials, heavily shielded and also incorporated in redundant topologies (identical systems may 'vote' for a calculation result or have a backup kick in when something goes wrong).

That's only looking at radiation ... they have to operate in stupendously vast temperature ranges without missing a beat too. Very challenging stuff.
01:08pm 12/08/12 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
13567 posts
01:25pm 12/08/12 Permalink
Crakaveli
USA
6195 posts
that's pretty cool but whats with the big black boxes?
01:28pm 12/08/12 Permalink
parabol
Brisbane, Queensland
7188 posts
^ I'd recommend the white-balanced versions - they seem a bit more natural to the eye (well, mine anyway):

http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/676031main_pia16051-figure_2_brightened-portalfull.jpg
that's pretty cool but whats with the big black boxes?

They stitched images together. Black = missing tile (i.e. not included or not photographed).

EDIT: confirmed from: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/msl/multimedia/pia16051.html
"The black areas indicate images not yet returned by the rover."


last edited by parabol at 13:36:10 12/Aug/12
01:32pm 12/08/12 Permalink
Nerfy
Brisbane, Queensland
6326 posts
Need to put some streetview tech on the next rover, and create a drive-around-mars webapp..
04:11pm 12/08/12 Permalink
Tollaz0r!
Brisbane, Queensland
12947 posts
Imagine living in Facemans head, beliving with all your heart that this is nothing more than an elaborate conspiracy to essentially troll people.

Imagine not accepting this as an awesome RC Buggy dropped on a planet by a rocket propelled hovering skycrane on the surface of another planet.
06:04pm 12/08/12 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
13568 posts
that's pretty cool but whats with the big black boxes?

What parabol said - and if you want to see the unstitched images you can too: http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/multimedia/raw/

parabol, do you know how they balanced that image? Was it scientific in some way or just f*** with the colours until it looks more natural?
06:23pm 12/08/12 Permalink
Scooter
Brisbane, Queensland
5986 posts
White-Balanced is basically - Pick some thing you know is actually white, Auto-Adjust everything to suit.
So basically 'f*** with the colours until it looks more natural' as you're use to seeing colours with a very specific filter (Earth Ozone) and Mars has different 'filters'.

People do it all the time with Scuba photos for the same reason.
06:41pm 12/08/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15713 posts
that's pretty cool but whats with the big black boxes?


easiest method to remove alien structures from the photos.
06:45pm 12/08/12 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
13569 posts
07:02pm 12/08/12 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
21246 posts
Curiosity self-portrait
No duckface, I am impressed.
07:06pm 12/08/12 Permalink
dais
Brisbane, Queensland
9878 posts
Wow it's covered with crap. I wonder if that is because of wind or because it's moving so fast and kicking stuff up.
07:17pm 12/08/12 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
13570 posts
Wow it's covered with crap. I wonder if that is because of wind or because it's moving so fast and kicking stuff up.

It moves very slowly and AFAIK it has not moved at all yet The rocks and stuff would have been kicked up during the descent from the sky-crane - the eight sky-crane rockets created the four greyish indents in the surface on the above colour panorama.
Need to put some streetview tech on the next rover, and create a drive-around-mars webapp..

TBH the place is pretty freakin boring. I'd still volunteer for a manned mission though.
07:29pm 12/08/12 Permalink
parabol
Brisbane, Queensland
7190 posts
parabol, do you know how they balanced that image?

Have a look here:

http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/08/07/NASA-Curiosity-Rover-sends-back-first-color-images-from-Mars

The article goes into detail about the optics and photographic sensors on the rover and shows the white-balance/calibration target that's used for the adjustments. If you see really dull and orange images without any sort of sunlight "brightness"/glare, chances are it's a raw image that hasn't been processed yet.

Conspiracy theorists poop their pants every time 'processing' is mentioned, thinking there's some sort of coverup involved.

last edited by parabol at 20:20:00 12/Aug/12
08:18pm 12/08/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19735 posts
the martian sky is really blue and has oxygen


Thats just stupid, everyone knows we need to activate the ancient martian machinery buried beneath the surface before that can happen.
08:20pm 12/08/12 Permalink
parabol
Brisbane, Queensland
7191 posts
^ to be fair, there are conditions that would allow the martian sky to be some shade of blue - but that's only in a certain time of the day and only if there is no dust floating around and depending on cloud cover, etc. It's not like on earth where the sky is blue for 90% of the day ...
08:25pm 12/08/12 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
13571 posts
Cheers, nice article.

The martian sky is really blue and has oxygen

Yeah as blue as 650nm can be.

And Oxygen! Yep, it does. About 0.13% to be precise.
08:28pm 12/08/12 Permalink
Obes
Brisbane, Queensland
9779 posts
All those black rectangles in the NASA photos are covering up faceman's 911 bombers.
09:01pm 12/08/12 Permalink
Nerfy
Brisbane, Queensland
6328 posts
360 view, woo.

I really wish that we had another planet with large life to look at though... /never satisfied
10:53pm 12/08/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19736 posts
It still blows my mind that thats the surface of another world.
11:20pm 12/08/12 Permalink
parabol
Brisbane, Queensland
7192 posts
It still blows my mind that thats the surface of another world.

Oh yeah? How about the surface of Venus from 1982:

http://www.users.on.net/~deadsimple/images/venera.jpg
11:49pm 12/08/12 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
13572 posts
The later Venera missions were so awesome.
10:22am 13/08/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15714 posts
Oh yeah? How about the surface of Venus from 1982:


where are all the women?
10:37am 13/08/12 Permalink
eski
Perth, Western Australia
1022 posts
360 view, woo.I really wish that we had another planet with large life to look at though... /never satisfied



Why is there a joystick on it? So the martians can control it?
11:33am 13/08/12 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
7280 posts
Maybe the Martians don't have opposable thumbs.
Do you think they're more likely to closely resemble Pikmin, or Sauropods? :P
11:46am 13/08/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15716 posts
12:01pm 13/08/12 Permalink
eski
Perth, Western Australia
1023 posts
Awesome pic! Makes you think about how far we might go one day.
12:44pm 13/08/12 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
13574 posts
That's a great image, ravn0s.

Loving that 360' interactive pano as well. Really emphasises how desolate the place is.
03:48pm 13/08/12 Permalink
FaceMan
Brisbane, Queensland
9192 posts
All those rocks look so similar.
Im sure its just a coincidence.

09:13pm 13/08/12 Permalink
E.T.
Queensland
4390 posts
All those rocks look so similar.
Im sure its just a coincidence.


Stop trying to make the thread about you Faceman.
09:15pm 13/08/12 Permalink
no you hang up
Brisbane, Queensland
2206 posts
Go get 'em Faceman.
Seriously though, do you believe that this is has been faked?
09:19pm 13/08/12 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
13576 posts
12:41am 14/08/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4881 posts
Looks like they finished what they set out to do.
http://i.imgur.com/SQNcL.jpg
11:09am 14/08/12 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
7284 posts
Wow, this is freaking cool. Try it on a gyro-enabled iDevice.
http://www.360cities.net/image/curiosity-rover-martian-solar-day-2#71.00,9.30,110.0
09:00am 15/08/12 Permalink
mental
Brisbane, Queensland
3412 posts
http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/explore/freedrive/

I thought this was pretty cool, maybe I was just remembering texture loading with RAGE, either way.
04:26pm 15/08/12 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
13584 posts
Good idea, mental, but there's nothing to see. Would be better if there was actually stuff at the different sites to see. Even coarsely drawn, simplistic versions.
04:31pm 15/08/12 Permalink
mental
Brisbane, Queensland
3413 posts
Yeah :( I should have played more than two seconds before posting. Hopefully it gets better though.
04:45pm 15/08/12 Permalink
parabol
Brisbane, Queensland
7196 posts
04:51pm 15/08/12 Permalink
natslovR
Sydney, New South Wales
7883 posts
We're NASA and we know it: parody marries NASA and LMFAO for the best viral video you’ll see today.

01:30pm 16/08/12 Permalink
glynd
Melbourne, Victoria
749 posts
02:32pm 23/08/12 Permalink
Dazhel
Gold Coast, Queensland
5161 posts
We're NASA and we know it: parody marries NASA and LMFAO for the best viral video you’ll see today.


Heh, NASA surely just freed up their entire recruiting budget to go towards actual science because that YT should about do it to get the next generation of JPL techs. "We're f*****g awesome, come be f*****g awesome with us."
02:42pm 23/08/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15771 posts
saw that last night. it landed quicker than i thought it would. kinda cool that you can see the heat shield impact with the ground.
02:45pm 23/08/12 Permalink
Trauma
Melbourne, Victoria
2858 posts
Full entry vid is awesome. Watch in 1080p.
05:01pm 23/08/12 Permalink
Nerfy
Brisbane, Queensland
6350 posts
saw that last night. it landed quicker than i thought it would. kinda cool that you can see the heat shield impact with the ground.

Reddit claimed that it was 2x speed.
05:05pm 23/08/12 Permalink
Trauma
Melbourne, Victoria
2859 posts
Yea def sped up.
05:33pm 23/08/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15775 posts
they've got the balls done, now for the shaft.
09:09pm 23/08/12 Permalink
E.T.
Queensland
4396 posts


F*****G FANTASTIC VIDEO!

Thank you NASA.
09:28pm 23/08/12 Permalink
parabol
Brisbane, Queensland
7206 posts
Slower, more real-time version:

10:11pm 23/08/12 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
13634 posts
Amazing vid.

Loving the temperature data - was an absolute scorcher the other day! Went above 0'C!

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/7271/pia16081gomez3br2.jpg
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