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30,000 public servants axed
thermite
Brisbane, Queensland
9547 posts
Queensland Premier Campbell Newman has defended the removal of public servants employed on temporary contracts, arguing the state can no longer afford to keep them.

The public sector union, Together, says more than 30,000 of the state’s 250,000 public servants are on temporary contracts, with most employed in that capacity for numerous years.


http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/labors-cruel-trick-newman-defends-axing-of-temps-20120502-1xyav.html

Yay more unemployment, that'll be great for business.
09:41am 03/05/12 Permalink
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09:41am 03/05/12 Permalink
mental
Brisbane, Queensland
3036 posts
All at once? That's not good.
09:41am 03/05/12 Permalink
reload!
Brisbane, Queensland
6586 posts
good. im sure there's a few in there that may have copped a rough break but the public service is disgustingly overinflated with an awful sense of entitlement. if the same job can be done without you, tough s***. jobs for the sake of jobs is a load of s*** and ultimately extremely counter productive.

hopefully this might make some people actually try to put in more than the absolute minimum into their roles. unfortunately this is obviously bottom end s*** kickers rather than grossly wasteful high level bureaucrats but it's a good start.
09:45am 03/05/12 Permalink
trog
AGN Admin
Brisbane, Queensland
36118 posts
Yay more unemployment, that'll be great for business.
Not to nitpick but... isn't unemployment good for business, because they get access to a wider talent pool? Unemployment is bad for the state and the unemployed (and their families).

If this was a company that just laid of 30,000 workers, its share price probably would have just gone up because of the opportunity for increased profits. So, if you're a taxpayer (that isn't one of the affected workers), you could probably say this is a good thing as it will lead to less government spending, and thus close the gap on the deficit.
09:46am 03/05/12 Permalink
thermite
Brisbane, Queensland
9548 posts
Job seekers and people on welfare tend to spend less money is what I meant. Sure some businesses might see it as an opportunity to hire, but I question how common that would be.
Also the welfare bit... 30,000 people rocking up at centrelink on July 2.
09:50am 03/05/12 Permalink
Reverend Evil™
Wynnum, Queensland
20406 posts
So that's how Labor promised to find work for more people. They just doubled up on positions that were already taken.
09:52am 03/05/12 Permalink
Linker
Brisbane, Queensland
1613 posts
Yeah, it's a good thing until people start wondering why the government has stopped working. I'm a temp whose been working hard there for 4 years and it's quite worrying to hear from the inside just how badly our IT department is going to be affected. Let alone the stupid inconsistent processes they are using to decide who is cut.

I'm just glad I don't have a mortgage or family, but the job hunting market is going to be flooded come June 30.
09:53am 03/05/12 Permalink
step
Brisbane, Queensland
2451 posts
those on temporary contracts, who were not in front line or essential roles, were on the chopping block.

This will be the fun bit.
09:54am 03/05/12 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
6823 posts
If you're in any kind of business that sells products that are discretionary spending, then unemployment is bad.
Chocolate sales are usually the first sign of a recession.
09:59am 03/05/12 Permalink
trog
AGN Admin
Brisbane, Queensland
36119 posts
Job seekers and people on welfare tend to spend less money is what I meant. Sure some businesses might see it as an opportunity to hire, but I question how common that would be.
Orite. Yeh that makes sense.
10:00am 03/05/12 Permalink
hardware
Brisbane, Queensland
10201 posts
misleading title is misleading

30,000 jobs aren't being axed. Newman's policies are making life difficult for lots of temp public servants, but the net result is that the vast majority of those 30,000 are going to retain employment in some capacity in the PS.

The problem is, is that generally the dead weight staff members aren't temp, so it's hurting the new and un-complacent staff.
10:01am 03/05/12 Permalink
thermite
Brisbane, Queensland
9549 posts
but the net result is that the vast majority of those 30,000 are going to retain employment in some capacity in the PS.


What do you mean? The article doesn't say that?
10:09am 03/05/12 Permalink
casa
Brisbane, Queensland
4609 posts

The problem is, is that generally the dead weight staff members aren't temp, so it's hurting the new and un-complacent staff.

QFT.
My brother is the head of IT in some department and he said he cannot sack any of his useless staff because they hold permenent positions. He said, they don't even need to do any work and that isn't enough grounds for sacking. He said they would have to murder someone and get taken away in chains before they can lose their jobs.

And on the other hand, my cousin is a temp who has to re-apply for his job every 12 months, works his ass off and his position is more threatened than ever before.

Bad system is bad.

last edited by casa at 10:21:08 03/May/12
10:18am 03/05/12 Permalink
thermite
Brisbane, Queensland
9551 posts
Yeah that's where the problem is too IMO, I know people that work for state government departments, and there are some permanent staff that either lied their way into getting a permanent position and simply can't do the job, or are incompetent, or have been moved and hate the work and have become jaded and create dramas, or usually don't come in to work, etc.. etc.. and there is no way to get rid of them.
Those are the people I would be looking at to go, they are the pure dead weight.
10:26am 03/05/12 Permalink
danthepirate
Brisbane, Queensland
133 posts
My uncle has been doing the same job for the past few years and works as a contractor to the government. He does SAP development, specialising in the security side of it. Sounds like there is still work for him to do, but his contract will not be renewed and he will not retain employment in any form with the government.

Sounds like they are also replacing the high up managers with people who aren't really suited for the positions - "Jobs for the boys".

He has also commented that Campbell has stated in the media that certain departments need fixing with regards to efficiency but that in reality they are well organised and do employ good people, so they are just making changes for the sake of making changes so they can put a spin on it.
10:32am 03/05/12 Permalink
Chester
Queensland
56 posts
Moving from the Private sector into Goverment jobs recently it is ridiculous how many people say they are 'so busy' yet sit around and do nothing all day.

Government busy is a lot different to private sector busy. Government busy is 'I don't have enough time to get my tenth coffee for the day' private sector busy is 'I am sitting here at 6pm and I didn't even get time to eat lunch'.

The amount of money wasted on useless government employees is ridiculous. My current position is one of these money wasters. I haven't done a thing for the past 2 weeks. Sitting around waiting for next step of the project I am on to happen....
10:38am 03/05/12 Permalink
mission
Brisbane, Queensland
8486 posts
My wife works for Dept. of Communities and the last few posts above are dead right.

10:40am 03/05/12 Permalink
Clubby
Brisbane, Queensland
832 posts
This news makes me smile. Coming from a bank to work in a gov sector it is ridiculous how "enterprise" some small departments try and make themselves making stupid positions and implementing stupid amounts of governance frameworks, policies and procedures. This is like a holidays on double pay for me and I am considered a hard working employee.

It frustrates the hell out of me watching people sit on Facebook all day and not do a productive thing and then complain about working conditions and they don't get paid enough for this and that is not in their position description thus it is not their problem someone else can handle it.

I'd love to see government departments having to justify expenditure and produce profit/loss reports each quarter or something so the public can see just how much money is wasted (and it is a f*** load).

They want to create jobs etc I understand all that ... but create useful ones with some sort of benefit for the money they are investing from the tax payers (also coming from the most disadvantaged group for tax just enrages me more about this ... single, earning good money with no kids) ... not jobs for people to sit around and be slack all day.

Qld Government departments are a joke.
10:51am 03/05/12 Permalink
Twisted
Brisbane, Queensland
11646 posts

Sounds like a good move to me, they're contractors not perm staff.
10:53am 03/05/12 Permalink
Dazhel
Gold Coast, Queensland
4760 posts
Mate of mine said at the start of the year that he could point me towards some sweet govt IT contract work. I told him that it'd be absolute craziness to jump from the private to public sector in the middle of a done deal election campaign with the presumptive premier pledging to go on a cost cutting spree.
He gave me this kind of bewildered facial expression. :/
10:58am 03/05/12 Permalink
Clubby
Brisbane, Queensland
833 posts
Cause contractors get into positions like project manager and then get budget and need things like BA's etc so they just employ their mates on stupid money also. Hell I hope they fire half the perm staff from some departments.

Some examples I have seen from an IT department of 50 people in an organisation of 500-600 people are:

A "client relation manager" ... why can't the staff just talk to the business units?

A "procurement officer" to buy things?

A "Vendor manager" to interface with the vendors? A "resourcing officer" who manages an excel spreadsheet with resource requests from projects for the teams (I thought a team leader would do this)?

Until recently they also had a contracted position for someone to write process ... like how to answer the phone if you are on call and what you do if you have an "idea" to officially socialise the idea ....

And that's just to name a few.
11:05am 03/05/12 Permalink
Tollaz0r!
Brisbane, Queensland
12631 posts
Well, he was voted in with the promise of doing just this.

30,000 is a big chunk though.
11:05am 03/05/12 Permalink
thermite
Brisbane, Queensland
9554 posts
Mr Scott, who is seeking a meeting with the Premier, said that would call into question Mr Newman's pre-election promise not to have any forced retrenchments.

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/labors-cruel-trick-newman-defends-axing-of-temps-20120502-1xyav.html#ixzz1tlShO1Rp
11:07am 03/05/12 Permalink
Dazhel
Gold Coast, Queensland
4761 posts
A "client relation manager" ... why can't the staff just talk to the business units?


Because they don't have people skills damn it!

http://bbsimg.ngfiles.com/1/20197000/ngbbs4ada4a55a49a9.jpg
11:35am 03/05/12 Permalink
HERMITech
Brisbane, Queensland
7833 posts
What they need to do is look at getting rid of the lazy, inept and incompetent from the permanent employees, not the temp/contracters who are usually busting a nut trying to ensure they get renewed.

And stop hiring secondary school headmasters to run the IT Development of OneSchool....
Sure, bring em in as a consultant, let a proper f*****g Project Manager run the damned thing.

.don't get me started....
11:36am 03/05/12 Permalink
Clubby
Brisbane, Queensland
834 posts
Hahah Officespace reference :P ... it's funny cause that exact extract came up the other day when we were talking about something.

I HAVE PEOPLE SKILLS DAMMIT!
11:36am 03/05/12 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
18700 posts
before the government can create a job they must first tax businesses and individuals who would have done it more efficiently in the first place. The removal of these jobs will balance queensland's completely stuffed finances and allow business to pay a bit less tax.

We will survive without some boffins.
11:45am 03/05/12 Permalink
Clubby
Brisbane, Queensland
835 posts
If done properly I think this will actually improve government performance as a lot of the jobs that "should" go are those that are people just providing usually feedback or generating roadblocks to justify their own positions.
11:52am 03/05/12 Permalink
Reverend Evil™
Wynnum, Queensland
20411 posts
So why can't full time people get fired? If someone isn't doing their work properly they should be booted out after a warning.
12:00pm 03/05/12 Permalink
FaceMan
Brisbane, Queensland
8789 posts
Smaller Government = Lower Taxes.

Pretty easy to see where BlighTs jobs figures were coming from.
Would be interesting to see a graph of the growth in government jobs over the last 20 years.

12:01pm 03/05/12 Permalink
HurricaneJim
Brisbane, Queensland
1141 posts
before the government can create a job they must first tax businesses and individuals who would have done it more efficiently in the first place. The removal of these jobs will balance queensland's completely stuffed finances and allow business to pay a bit less tax.


What a total load of bulls***.

The private sector is no more efficient than the public. It's like stating that cooper wire is better than fibre optic. The private sector is there for profit where the government isn't, well not any more since it's all been sold off to inefficient private companies. Private enterprise doesn't build infrastructure they use and abuse it.

Private enterprise will only do the minimum for the maximum profit.

I'm quite sure that Tony Rabid would say that it's incompetence of Labor that causes this....
12:10pm 03/05/12 Permalink
HurricaneJim
Brisbane, Queensland
1142 posts
Smaller Government = Lower Taxes.


Why would smaller government mean lower taxes? You're sprouting right wing rhetoric not fact. With such a "massive" debt problem why would Newman lower taxes?

Smaller Government means less services.
12:17pm 03/05/12 Permalink
Raider
Brisbane, Queensland
3905 posts
most of the time it's the temps who work harder because they're job isn't as secure... i know a few people who work in the gov and just find it stupid the amount of nothing they do and meetings for nothing..

she reckons they'll have at least 1 meeting a day which can go for 1-2 hrs where nothing happens.. the salary of each person combined + food for it etc adds up to thousands.

12:24pm 03/05/12 Permalink
HERMITech
Brisbane, Queensland
7834 posts
i know a few people who work in the gov and just find it stupid the amount of nothing they do and meetings for nothing..

heh, when I worked at DET I swear that people held meetings to organise meetings...
How bout you just do some f*****g work...
12:26pm 03/05/12 Permalink
Clubby
Brisbane, Queensland
836 posts
The private sector is no more efficient than the public.


Bhahaha!! .... riiiiight.
12:31pm 03/05/12 Permalink
ara
Sydney, New South Wales
3484 posts
Why would smaller government mean lower taxes?
and then
Smaller Government means less services.


wouldn't less services mean less to pay for, ergo less tax required.

or do you think less services but same taxes and they just start gold plating everything?
12:37pm 03/05/12 Permalink
Jim
UK
12862 posts
The private sector is no more efficient than the public.
heh
12:39pm 03/05/12 Permalink
teq
Brisbane, Queensland
12910 posts
This is exactly what needs to happen, ALP spends too much and then it's up to the LNP to come in and slash budgets to get us back into the black


The private sector is no more efficient than the public.,


I want whatever it is that you're smoking.
12:48pm 03/05/12 Permalink
hardware
Brisbane, Queensland
10202 posts
wow you guys are so jealous of the public service. You all who slave away for heartless corporations, getting paid less than you're worth just so some fatcat directors and shareholders can make massive profits.

You all don't realise that if 30,000 people just got dumped into the jobseekers queue (which they didn't because the article is very very incorrect) then it'll suck for you guys, having far more people to contend with at job interviews etc etc.
12:48pm 03/05/12 Permalink
trog
AGN Admin
Brisbane, Queensland
36121 posts
The private sector is no more efficient than the public. It's like stating that cooper wire is better than fibre optic. The private sector is there for profit where the government isn't, well not any more since it's all been sold off to inefficient private companies. Private enterprise doesn't build infrastructure they use and abuse it.
If stories like casa's are true, then clearly the public sector has a massive problem. If people aren't accountable for their actions because they have some sort of magic job security that prevents them from being released when they're not performing, then that is a problem.

I am prepared to agree that not every public service sector is like that - I know a bunch of people that work in the public sector and they and their colleagues work their asses off just like I do.
My brother is the head of IT in some department and he said he cannot sack any of his useless staff because they hold permenent positions. He said, they don't even need to do any work and that isn't enough grounds for sacking. He said they would have to murder someone and get taken away in chains before they can lose their jobs.
This just seems mindboggling. What sort of condition is it that stops people in the public sector from being fired if they're not performing? Is it a contractual arrangement, or a nudge-nudge-wink-wink sort of arrangement with other superiors?
12:48pm 03/05/12 Permalink
TufNuT
I like eel pie
Brisbane, Queensland
3871 posts
wouldn't less services mean less to pay for, ergo less tax required.


those leaches would never lower taxes.
12:50pm 03/05/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12381 posts
This just seems mindboggling. What sort of condition is it that stops people in the public sector from being fired if they're not performing? Is it a contractual arrangement, or a nudge-nudge-wink-wink sort of arrangement with other superiors?

Public Sector Union is like a para-military organisation.
12:51pm 03/05/12 Permalink
hardware
Brisbane, Queensland
10203 posts
are you serious hoggy? We refer to the union here as the toothless tiger!
12:59pm 03/05/12 Permalink
DecayingCorpse
Brisbane, Queensland
1993 posts
If people aren't accountable for their actions

there's the thing. most people in government aren't accountable for their actions.

so if they're not accountable, they can't get sacked because noone can prove that individual f***ed up. and there has to be a paper trail of f***ups or hello unfair dismissal.
01:10pm 03/05/12 Permalink
taggs
5993 posts
The private sector is no more efficient than the public.


lol
01:12pm 03/05/12 Permalink
Clubby
Brisbane, Queensland
837 posts
I know a bunch of people that work in the public sector and they and their colleagues work their asses off just like I do.


Yeah they probably do ... filling out paperwork and following stupidly complicated procedures to do simple things including many under qualified stakeholders again just throwing in their 2 cents to been seen as "needed".
01:16pm 03/05/12 Permalink
HERMITech
Brisbane, Queensland
7835 posts
This just seems mindboggling. What sort of condition is it that stops people in the public sector from being fired if they're not performing? Is it a contractual arrangement, or a nudge-nudge-wink-wink sort of arrangement with other superiors?


Trog,
It's because they have a vertibal plethora of props that they can fall back on to avoid being held accountable for being lazy or inept such as yet not limited to:

Bullying - you make me uncomfortable the way you make me do my job and I don't perform as well as I could.
Insufficient Training - you haven't trained me properly in how to do that job so of course I'm underperforming

Stress - you overwork me and I make mistakes, I reported I was stressed to the mental health officer so you can't performance manage me during this time.

This last one is the worst as performance management is the only way to get rid of permanent employees...

The system is horribly, horribly flawed and serious review needs to be undertaken of how to manage and when required, the removal of lazy, inept & disruptive permanent employees.

Sure, Campbell needs to be seen doing something and I agree that the public servant office needs action

-HOWEVER-

Until they address the underlying problem of permanent fat cat public servants, Campbells axework now will be for naught as the problem has only been "spotlighted" with the pretence of being seen to be proactive when it is all nothing other than political point scoring at the expense of people's livelihoods’.

It's not the temps sector that needs thinning out, it's the permanent section.

01:18pm 03/05/12 Permalink
casa
Brisbane, Queensland
4610 posts

Dave, the most he said they ever spent on a project was $4,000,000, promoted 3 or 4 of their temps to permenant positions and hired 3 or 4 temps to replace the ones that got promoted, only to have the project axed and have absolutely nothing for these 6-8 people to do. Therefore, these pople have full time positions and no work so they don't even need to perform. He says this happens in all sectors as his crosses paths with pretty much all of them, though it's up to you if you believe that or not (I don't want to believe it).

He also told me it's not entirely their fault that they underperform, however the situation is the same accross the board. Whether they have work to do or not, and they don't do it, there are a bottomless amount of loop holes apparently to avoid getting sacked. You could say you're going through a personal emotional time and need some time to get over it.

I have another friend who just recently had her permenant position (again in IT, can't remember what sector though) made redundant. Her redundancy package? 10 months full-time pay PLUS super PLUS whatever annual and sick leave she would have accrued PLUS loading on these.

Came to edit my s*** spelling and grammar, better off saying Hemi is 100% correct and just read what he wrote.

last edited by casa at 13:28:27 03/May/12
01:24pm 03/05/12 Permalink
Clubby
Brisbane, Queensland
838 posts
I know plenty of contractors who don't work that hard and get paid a lot of money. Really they just create something which then requires them to support or extends to other things that they need to be resigned to complete (well in IT anyway).

The main problem I have experienced is that gov departments are "policy and process" driven instead of "performance".
01:27pm 03/05/12 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
20569 posts
Private sector _can_ be just as inefficient and wasteful as the public sector. Just look at this guy.

http://i.imgur.com/lXuQ6.jpg
01:31pm 03/05/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12382 posts
are you serious hoggy? We refer to the union here as the toothless tiger!

Dunno dude, when I was contracting at a certain local government the MIS blamed the union on why they couldn't get rid of a bunch of uselesss, argumentative, obstructionist f***wits. A few people ended up on "special projects".

IMO the real problem with the PS is that people are paid solely based on seniority grade rather than how well they do their f*****g job.

This is why all the technical / consultative people tend to be contractors. They like the PS culture and style, but get s*** pay if their only job is to execute wizardry rather than tell people to execute wizardry.
01:37pm 03/05/12 Permalink
danthepirate
Brisbane, Queensland
134 posts
Hogfather, you just described my uncle's situation. He worked for the government as a permanant employee for a long period of time (between 10 and 20 years) but pretty much hit a pay/advancement ceiling as his was a technical role. So, he started doing similar work but for a different department as a contractor and got a 50% pay rise.
01:52pm 03/05/12 Permalink
Minxy
Brisbane, Queensland
1450 posts
One of my friends who works in Adoption is going to be affected by this. Least she has two months heads up about it I guess..
02:03pm 03/05/12 Permalink
thermite
Brisbane, Queensland
9555 posts
I read that as "Abortion" and was trying to figure out if the 2 months bit was a joke
02:19pm 03/05/12 Permalink
Scooter
Brisbane, Queensland
5831 posts
+1 to all the people saying that they should look into the useless permanent staff, rather than just the Temp/Contract staff.
I would love to get rid of 3 people in my area. I think those 3 could be replaced by 1 other person (and me doing a little more.)

It's quite sad to see just how little work some people in the public sector do.
That said though, I know one guy who is/was just as useless in the private sector... It does seem like there is more here... but that's not based on hard evidence, only observation.
03:49pm 03/05/12 Permalink
Fish
Brisbane, Queensland
2980 posts
In my area we're going to be losing a whole bunch of good people who happen to be temps and contractors. Sure we lose a few useless ones in the process as well, but majority of the dead weight that need to be axed are permanent staff. But it seems that they're culling all the middle management positions.

It's quite sad to see just how little work some people in the public sector do.

Not only that, it's even worse when you see the quality of said work.
06:39pm 03/05/12 Permalink
HERMITech
Brisbane, Queensland
7837 posts
The number of times I saw peoples pay being f***ed up and not being paid correctly until the next fortnight owing to incompetant people not knowing how to change the print screen area of a spreadsheet, I mean really, w...t....f.....
07:43pm 03/05/12 Permalink
Fade2Black
Brisbane, Queensland
5017 posts
For a couple of years we had a guy in our section (private sector) who was absolutely useless. Yes he did some work but it seemed like facebook was open all day long, he got in at 10am most days and left by 6pm yet managed to go out every day for hour long lunches (40 hour week).

Pretty sure he only kept his job because we were very busy for that entire period. He wasn't even fired in the end, quit to move home to Holland.
07:49pm 03/05/12 Permalink
Tiny
Brisbane, Queensland
3244 posts
Tough but fair. Restructure to save money and begin to pay off the massive debt a wasteful public service has helped contribute. Hopefully the axe falls on the permanent staff sometime too.

@Clubby.

Perfectly put.
08:06pm 03/05/12 Permalink
jsme
Brisbane, Queensland
33 posts
Hey Hermi.

I work for DET, at regional level. Never seen the inside of the ivory tower though. Some of my mates are being affected by this and they're pretty hard workers.
09:00pm 03/05/12 Permalink
groganus
Brisbane, Queensland
2311 posts
I have just been made redundant (though they used the term "surplus to requirements") due to outsourcing. I have had a permanent position for nearly 5 years, have worked my ass off and been told countless times by upper management how useful I am.

I won't say who I work for, but I will say the company I work for has recently been running advertisements during prime time television spouting how they employee 10,000's of people all over the country and Queensland...

The outsourcing company is based in Japan.

The company I work for also was directly effected by the recent Queensland assets sale. The company I work for wen't from being government owned to listed on the ASX, a chunk split off and stayed government owned.

During separation staff were split between companies. What I consider to be dead wood wen't with the government owned.
What i consider to be hard working decent employee's went with the ASX listed company. There were still too many dead weights around... so sadly the ASX listed company got some of those aswel.

The ASX listed company then decided 12 months later that they were going to start making cut backs on all areas of the business that did not directly effect profits.

IT was first to be hit.

I firmly believe the real reason I am being outsourced is to get rid of all the deadwood.

It would not surprise me the slightest if the company I work for brings it's IT back in house after a few years.


My redundancy package is 3 weeks of pay for every year of service, pro rata of long service leave and annual leave.

(all of this has very little to do with C*** head Newman, but it is by certain a consequence of Anna Blights gapping big vag hole)
09:16pm 03/05/12 Permalink
WetWired
Brisbane, Queensland
6008 posts
09:18pm 03/05/12 Permalink
hardware
Brisbane, Queensland
10206 posts
09:33pm 03/05/12 Permalink
HurricaneJim
Brisbane, Queensland
1143 posts
Public Sector Union is like a para-military organisation.


http://www.clubcobra.com/photopost/data/3118/tactical_facepalm.jpg

You need some floaties Hog so you can rise above the bulls*** you're sprouting.
09:55pm 03/05/12 Permalink
Tollaz0r!
Brisbane, Queensland
12637 posts
Sounds like it was QLD rail?
10:05pm 03/05/12 Permalink
Scooter
Brisbane, Queensland
5833 posts
You need some floaties Hog so you can rise above the bulls*** you're sprouting.

Coming from the man who said;
The private sector is no more efficient than the public.


Although, I would have to say that the Union where I work is rather weak. That's because only ~60% of staff are actually in it.
Unions protect the slow and lazy. They once had a place when conditions were s*** and I thank them for the hard work they put in to get us to where we are now.
The unfortunate truth for them though is that they were too good at their job (in the past). Now they are a bloated waste and are nothing more than a sponge that feeds off the back of actual workers.
10:33pm 03/05/12 Permalink
Nukleuz
Perth, Western Australia
164 posts
Heh... my union is HSU *rolls eyes*. I'm not a member because quite simply they're a bunch of f***wits. At least I can add they're now a bunch of corrupt f***wits.

I sometimes worry when you see a government say that x number of jobs will be axed. They basically mean they don't renew contracts and then start offering golden handshakes. The useless c**** that have been there for 30 years jump for the golden handshakes and walk away laughing. The contractors that were doing their own work as well as the guy that just got the golden handshake are gone.
11:09pm 03/05/12 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
18702 posts
lol hurricane jim, you seriously try to assert that public servants spending someone else's (taypayer funds) will be more efficient and careful than a business spending its own money. you're way out there on the whacky scale.

it's not a competition with faceman, you know.
06:24am 04/05/12 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
33699 posts
The private sector is no more efficient than the public


haha

i cannot believe how lean my company runs, its to the point of being ridiculous

people get fired and let go all the time

we have strict kpis that must be met, else you get performance managed and if that doesnt fix the issue, let go.

in the age of GFC type finance events, i can't see how any organisation could run any different and prosper, unless you were still making fat loots like mining sector does.

i know plenty of guberment workers and their business's are not run like the private sector

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07:15am 04/05/12 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
20579 posts
HurricaneJim: No siree the army has not indoctrinated me at all (despite my avatar and sig being my army ribbons and insignia and posting videos of armed forces killing civilians and getting a hard-on over it)
12:41pm 04/05/12 Permalink
fade
Brisbane, Queensland
7406 posts
the real news arising from this thread: SPOOK IS BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
01:03pm 04/05/12 Permalink
hardware
Brisbane, Queensland
10210 posts
You're about two weeks late fade
01:06pm 04/05/12 Permalink
demon
Brisbane, Queensland
6813 posts
i worked in the public service for ~8years & the private for ~24years... i've seen more inefficiency & stupid spending in the private industry than in the public. i'm not trying to say that this is indicative of all areas of both sectors but that is my experience. anecdotal lols amirite!?@!

when i was in telecom (public service, before the sellout) there was tons of worker inefficiency.. ie: bludgers, but very little stupid spending. you had to fill out a million forms to request a new screwdriver ffs.

in my private sector jobs i have seen less blatant bludging but there are tons of people that still bludge bigtime. usually these bludgers are easily identified by their catch cry "i'm so busy!" or complaining at the photocopier how everyone tries to dump their work on them but they just have no time to do it !@#! but they never actually produce anything.
i see tons more bad spending... dork execs lounging it up in luxury apartments whilst o/s & the like. ceo's & gm's getting mad v8 "work" cars. execs upgrading their laptops coz they discover someone else in the company has a better laptop than them... so much bs.
01:31pm 04/05/12 Permalink
trog
AGN Admin
Brisbane, Queensland
36128 posts
in my private sector jobs i have seen less blatant bludging but there are tons of people that still bludge bigtime. usually these bludgers are easily identified by their catch cry "i'm so busy!" or complaining at the photocopier how everyone tries to dump their work on them but they just have no time to do it !@#! but they never actually produce anything.
That reminds me of this Dilbert:

http://dilbert.com/dyn/str_strip/000000000/00000000/0000000/000000/10000/2000/300/12391/12391.strip.sunday.gif
01:37pm 04/05/12 Permalink
Tiny
Brisbane, Queensland
3246 posts
If you are going to talk about private sector companies like Telstra and the big banks, that is a very poor example. They are extremely wasteful bureaucratic places to work in as well. This arises from the high number of employees and long termers. People work in banks for 20 plus years and do f*** all and get away with it also.

When you come into these organisations you get treated very poorly and your opinion is often overlooked and disregarded even though you are often trying to help improve processes and efficiency. There is a very poor culture in large organisations. I prefer to work for medium sized organisations. Your opinion is valued and appreciated if you can prove your ideas work. Try to help a bank change processes and you get treated like a lepper.
01:43pm 04/05/12 Permalink
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