agreed mental. i have seen nothing positive from labor. i have seen a couple of positive adds from the liberals plus some direct mail stuff detailing what they want to do. in the past i have voted based on which side better articulates what they plan to do, this time will be no different. i hate rewarding negative campaigns.
What are the bookies odds like on this one? I'd expect the highest prob outcome is LNP majority, with Newman losing Ashgrove and someone only politophiles have ever heard of being the QLD Premier next week.
I have a bunch of bets on various outcomes. In fact I have bet on Labor retaining several seats they are expected to lose. But overall they are gonna cop a pounding.
Yeah should be Tele, definitely on ABC 24. Can't wait to see Labor crushed, they should not be allowed to use attack ads just cause someone likes gays, utterly stupid. Will Newman win his Ashgrove seat though?
I think it will be even larger than 10%, I also think Katters stupid ad will mean the LNP will pick up those Seats too.
Labor has several high profile candidates leaving too.
Newmans got Ashgrove in the bag.
DONT YOU WORRY BOUT THAT
A mistake was made when John Howard was voted out. Don't make the same mistake for this one
Let me correct that for you. "A mistake was made when the liberals were voted out. Don't make the same mistake for this one"
The same mistake won't be made for this election because the liberals aren't in government thus cannot be voted out.
I don't know why people are so focused on leaders. The leader is only a small part of the overall success of a government. It's the party and the policies that matter.
Voting in a socialist government just screams "PLEASE TAX ME AND SPEND ALL THE MONEY TO CREATE DEBT"
polls mean shit, ABC612 has had a few people that have been called for polls, only to be asked if which age group they belong to, and having the call end (politely) if they have been over 35
wtf are either of them going to do about health, roads, power, the coal seam gas debacle, education, finance and water pricing to name a few?
both parties are too busy shitting in each others hat whilst not addressing ANY issues.
this isn't about labor vs LNP vs katter's nutters - who the fuck is going to create and display a good policy framework to address these issues?
i want a "none of the above" box on my ballot form.
wtf are either of them going to do about health, roads, power, the coal seam gas debacle, education, finance and water pricing to name a few?
both parties are too busy shitting in each others hat whilst not addressing ANY issues.
I've seen plenty of stuff ads and flyers from the LNP with positive stuff (as well as attack ads, of course), but I've seen NOTHING positive from anna or katter.
Roads/traffic are going to be fucked for years, they acted too late (both bligh as premier and campbell as mayor)
Eds that kinda a stupid statement to make. Blaming Newman and Bligh is wrong, it is bigger than the two of them as neither have been around long enough to take the blame alone.
Liberals have only been in power at Mayoral level since 2004 (8 years). Labor had it prior to them since 1991 (13 years). Also if memory serves when Newman was voted in as Lord Mayor, he didn't have a clear majority which made it difficult to do anything.
Where as at a state level Labor have held power for 20 of 22 years.
Combine the two and it is 33 out of 43 years of Labor leadership.
How is living in an imaginary electorate working out for you?
Dude, i dont give a fuck what electorate i live in. I got it wrong. Googled it, Petrie is electorate. I was thinking of council area - moreton bay. Why you ask anyway?
Since neither of them have bothered to tell me what they're going to do for me, only what the other party has done wrong, I'm just going to write something funny all over the ballot paper. Fuck it.
I got a positive LNP Pamphlet in my mail box the other day. The same day I got one from some mob that hates gays and was telling me that supporting the ALP (and their 'Gay Agenda') is the same thing as supporting child abuse.
Almost made me want to vote Labor just to spite those dicks.
Voting in a socialist government just screams "PLEASE TAX ME AND SPEND ALL THE MONEY TO CREATE DEBT"
How can the ALP be socialist when one of the major criticisms of Bligh's government is they sold off state assets? Oh wait, it's because you're just using socialist as a synonym for "bad".
How can Labor still be running the crime and misconduct adds after the commission came out and said he was cleared? Just saw one of the adds on channel 7.
Advert is abbreviated as ad not add for future reference.
He was cleared twice wasn't he?
I think last week was the last chance for you to enrol in time for this election Nerfy. Had to go into an enrolment office last time when they called it with very little notice and I had just moved :(
He has been cleared on everything that had been investigated. They just started a new one into the 7 x $10k donations from the same guy's companies though.
Unlikely the CMC will move fast enough to clear him of that before the election weekend.
obes n scooter article i read (both courier and bristimes) had quotes from cmc saying those donations will be investigated but newman himself has already been cleared regarding those donations too.
Labor is using The CMC as a Political tool to hack away at The LNP.
Thats not its job, certainly not during an Election campaign. If Labor had evidence it should have used it before the Election was called.
Labor should be punished for poor Government and this is just another example of it. You have to hold Government accountable, QLD cant afford even bigger failures in another Term.
Although, something to consider, Can-do will have a huge majority and anything they want will get passed because QLD doesnt have an Upper House.
Dude, i dont give a fuck what electorate i live in. I got it wrong. Googled it, Petrie is electorate. I was thinking of council area - moreton bay. Why you ask anyway?
Wrong again. Petrie is a federal electorate, this is a state election.
Last month, the CMC decided to assess seven different donations of $10,000 under seven different names made to Mr Newman's mayoral re-election fund by developer Philip Usher.
A week after the donations were made, Mr Usher had a development approved in Woolloongabba which had previously been knocked back.
"The CMC's assessment has determined that based on available information, there is no evidence of official misconduct against Mr Newman," the spokeswoman said.
"In particular, the CMC notes that a review of Brisbane City Council records including an audio recording of the relevant council meeting shows Mr Newman was not present when a critical vote was taken in council that approved the Woolloongabba development."
The CMC will launch a misconduct investigation in to the circumstances of the donations, but Mr Newman would not be involved.
Because Newman has said he'll follow the party line and repeal civil unions.
because that is what is party voted to do, not him. he has said he is not against it but was outvoted by others in his party. they are the ones that need to be protested against.
There's nothing stopping him from staying quiet on the subject before the election. He didn't have to say anything, but he's come out and said he'll support the party line.
The largest suburb in the electorate is The Gap, where I grew up, relatively christian area. By my count there are at least 5 churches. They changed the RSL into a church before I was 18, and the gym became a church also.
Plus a lot of kids in the area went to religious high schools elsewhere.
I don't understand why people would vote for Kate Jones. She is lightyears behind Campbell Newman when it comes to politics. If you're going to vote for someone who knows what they're doing then vote for Newman. Even if he wasn't running for Premier. He's still such a better choice.
I live in Ashgrove and I don't know a single person that would admit to voting for Newman. All my neighbours support Kate, my parents support Kate. It's got nothing to do with party support, Kate Jones is an awesome MP, the best we've ever had. We've had Kate as our MP, and Campbell as our Mayor. And Campbell is an absolute sk.
Unfortunately there are a lot of noobs who aren't involved in the community and have never heard of Kate. They'll vote for the celebrity face. And of course the religious fuckjobs will usually go for a liberal member. If they haven't worked out Jesus is fake, it's unlikely they'll work out Campbell is fake.
KAte didn't give a shit until Newman announced he was running for Ashgrove. In 2 years as a Cabinet Minister she made no mention of Ashgrove in any single speech in Parliament.
When Newman announced he was running for Ashgrove, she quite the Cabinet and suddenly had a strong focus on Ashgrove. (although her performance as Minister for Environment was piss poor anyway)
She is good for Ashgrove, I don't know what your speech metric there is all about... What is important is she gets things done, whoever she DOES talk to about Ashgrove its working.
Kate has dedicated herself to the electorate where she was elected, great. What did Campbell do? He up and quit the position he was elected into so he could climb the ladder and now there's some temp as lord mayor.
LOL you and your graphs. Do you live in Ashgrove? Have you ever spoken to Kate Jones about a local issue? Have you ever spoken to Campbell Newman about a council issue? Do you have a graph of that?
What the fuck does a speech on record about Ashgrove have to do with how effective someone is. Obviously the only reason it's brought up in parliament now is because of the state election. There is no need for it otherwise. Just do the job.
The people I have spoken to from Ashgrove love to say "oh but Kate Jones is such a nice person". Honestly who gives a shit if Cando is the biggest cunt on the face of the Earth a) he gets shit done b) ashgrove will be a huge benifactor from having cando there.
What will Ashgrove get from Katie Jones if they only have 12 seats in parliment?
meh, can-do is great at telling people what he is going to be doing
not so great at how he will do/fund it
how are those council taxes going brisbane, 7 years of can-do and 42% rate rises just think of the good he can do with a bigger budget/tax payer pool
I'll vote for labor or greens in my electorate (pine rivers)
the only good non labor person that was ever here was the old mayor Yvonne Chapman, who was a nat (and before my voting time)
all you campbell newman fans, quick poll, have you meet and spoken to the man?, I dislike him, he is a very spin oriented person, and comes across as someone with alot of pre-perpaired answers, and is not fluid with the off the cuff, he has great believe in what he thinks should happen, but no concept on how it will integrate, or people use it
yes he is an engineer, but he isn't good and reading/understanding human nature, and how that interacts with other things
Must suck to be gay then, the choice between horse-face and losing civil rights.
all you campbell newman fans, quick poll, have you meet and spoken to the man?, I dislike him, he is a very spin oriented person, and comes across as someone with alot of pre-perpaired answers, and is not fluid with the off the cuff
I was crook the other day and watched the great debate - this above is the biggest thing I noticed (the politics itself was very bland).
A couple of times Newman simply didn't have a prepared answer and literally just folded the question or remark - on the other hand horse-face was quick with a few vaguelly witty lines.
Just like how he handled the uproar from the Samford/Wardell St upgrade. A loud few had a whinge and got the media involved so Can-Do came up with an on-the-spot solution of putting in an overpass instead with no plan for how it would be implemented. Common sense says an overpass with on and off ramps will cause more disruptions to houses in the area compared to the few from the lane extensions - but he got his moment in the sun with the media lapping it up and Can-Do looking like a hero.
He has since found it just easier to abandon the whole project and stop Labors' plan because he thinks its a waste of money.
Personally I've found the left hand lane extension already completed has made a big difference during afternoon traffic and the regular weekend bottleneck. It still sucks in the morning though.
Its only one small thing but I'm sick of politicians going against each other for the sake of it and using ill-conceived ideas just to be different. Opposition should keep the government honest and fair but opposing everthing is counter productive. No one wins.
Must suck to be gay then, the choice between horse-face and losing civil rights.
I was crook the other day and watched the great debate - this above is the biggest thing I noticed (the politics itself was very bland).
A couple of times Newman simply didn't have a prepared answer and literally just folded the question or remark - on the other hand horse-face was quick with a few vaguelly witty lines.
hope you're feeling better, but listening to the debate on radio, (and the aftermath) newman points had an air of practice to them, but interesting poll post debate was people who watched the debate (on tv and RL) 60%~70% thought anna won/did better, where radio 60%~70% thought newman did better,
must mean one presents better, where one might make better statements
the thing about politics is that someone is always going to feel let down. no matter what idea a pollie comes up with, your idea is always better. and even when you are telling them how shit they are to their face, they have to smile and shake your hand otherwise it's another shitstorm they don't need.
who would ever want to be a politician, you would have to have rocks in your head.
Being a politician is an unqualified job, and you can go around saying "why don't they fucken do this, why don't they spend more money here, why don't they save the environment there, why don't they save these jobs, why don't they hire out bikes with a go card, why don't they build a tunnel" and when the experts tell you "GET FUCKED" you can go sooking to the press about how shit qualified employees are and that people should give you the power to let everyone eat pie in the sky when they die.
I prefer my politicians to be successful, experienced people. I don't care which side they come from, I'm just as disgusted that someonelike Wyatt Roy can be elected to Federal parliament as I am someone like Kate Jones can be elected to State Parliament.
At the moment, there is really only one side of politics that (more often than not) puts up decent cadidates wth real world experience and success. When given the choice between a party populated by people brainwashed in their teens who have done nothing but work for the party on campaigns and in electoral offices OR another party 'mostly' populated by experienced and successful people who have run a small business, worked to a high standard in the private sector, are sought for their expertise on operational and strategic matters in a variety of fields and have opted for a parliamentary role in an effort to actually get shit done, often to the detriment of their earning capcity, rather than seeking a fat paypacket - I know which one I'll vote for every time.
And Yes, I have dealt with both Campbell Newman AND Kate Jones in a professional sense, I have also done extensive work for Lisa Newman through her Lady Mayoress Charity functions.
Campbell Newman is generally a confident, borderline arrogant sort of bloke. Some people find him difficult to like, I found him tolerable without ever really warming to him. I did also deal with him briefly in a personal sense when I was cleaning out my flooded neighbours house and he was in there helping, refusing photo request just getting shit done, much like he did as Mayor. He did balance 7 straight budgets while delivering major infrastructure projects.
My brief dealings with Kate Jones were eye opening, she is a likable person, very likable. But its not about being liked. I'd probably prefer her as a family friend over the Newmans, but it was also like talking to a 19 year old girl with no fucking idea what is going on in the world, yet she was a cabined minister ffs! She constantly deferred to a bunch of dmiwitted advisors, who no doubt are just another bunch of hacks fighting for pre-selection somewhere and the brief involvements I had with her were a waste of time.
Spidz, what is wrong with putting in someone like Wyatt Roy? The old bludgers that are currently in politics seem to be screwing it up for the younger generations more and more. Would a younger person at least not have the knowledge of what is needed, and what can be better for our future?
I have to say I had preconceived ideas about Wyatt Roy however these ideas were laid to rest after listening to him speak. He's a very switched on guy.
His question that got him booted out during question time last year still makes me lol.
eorl, spidz said in the same post as he mentioned wyatt roy why he doesn't agree with electing someone like him. no life experience, or experience outside politics.
how would he necessarily have 'the knowledge of what is needed' (wtf does that even mean) just because he is younger? plenty of fucking stupid 20 year olds out there.
all you campbell newman fans, quick poll, have you meet and spoken to the man?, I dislike him, he is a very spin oriented person, and comes across as someone with alot of pre-perpaired answers, and is not fluid with the off the cuff, he has great believe in what he thinks should happen, but no concept on how it will integrate, or people use it
To be honest, every politician gets up and spins pre-prepared shit. IT goes with the territory, how can this be a basis of voting choice?
Anna Bligh " "I'm doing it for queenslanders" - What the fuck does that even mean by the way?
The people should weigh there vote against the policy action taken by the party after they win (so change your vote afterwards if you don't believe your party did right by you). They should also base there vote on the policy's the party put forward. Slander campaigns and bullshit ads are unfortunately what people seemed to get sucked in by. Either that or it gives labor voters something to cling to at the moment when it's fairly obvious the current government has failed these past 5 years (from what I can see).
eorl, spidz said in the same post as he mentioned wyatt roy why he doesn't agree with electing someone like him. no life experience, or experience outside politics.
how would he necessarily have 'the knowledge of what is needed' (wtf does that even mean) just because he is younger? plenty of fucking stupid 20 year olds out there.
There is also plenty of smart 20 year olds out there as well. What I'm saying is the younger generations, aka <30, have a lot more knowledge in regards to resources, technology and current ethics/perspectives. Sure they haven't fought in a war or have the senior knowledge of politics, but have we not seen time and time again that senior politicians are extremely out of touch? Just look at SOPA, the guy who created the bill didn't even know what it was about. I was watching the very first voting about it in their lowest house, and they had to call in "nerds" to tell them what the bill was about.
What I'm trying to say is life experience is good, it's a great thing to have, but you need more then that. You need knowledge of what our current world is about. We are the digital age now, and I know that's but a tenth of what politics is about, but you'll find younger people are starting to be more knowledgeable of past times as well as current. Especially when older generations are passing down their knowledge, be it good or bad.
what you've seen is that older generations are out of touch with what YOU think. this doesn't mean they don't represent others, or even the majority of their electorate in their views. you forget that we are actually an aging population, and i would say, with no research, that there would be plenty more people over 30 than under 30 in australia.
i don't understand how you can say with a straight face that people below the age of 30 have a lot more knowledge in any areas, especially resources.
we may have a better general grasp of technological issues (but would still need people who are experts in these fields to draft proposals and policies), and perhaps we are socially more liberal (gay marriage etc etc) but how does this constitute knowledge? how does this really help you govern?
I personally believe that gay marriage should be ratified and is a matter of human rights, a person should have the right to marry who they want, but in realistic terms this is a very small part of what a government does. an emotive part yes, but a small part.
people in their 30's, 40's and 50's should take issue with you claiming that under 30's have greater knowledge at all, let alone in those areas you have specified. i think your assumptions are being too greatly influenced by your own opinions, you are in your early 20's (i'm assuming) and think that someone who is 20 who knows more about technology would be better equipped to represent an electorate and run a state, and i really do not agree with this. they may represent you personally better, but that doesn't speak for an electorate, nor a state.
i agree with spidz, i'm all for people putting their hand up for politics (i would never do it myself) but i much much much prefer those who have experienced the travails of life and private enterprise rather than going straight from high school to politics, be it via a political machine or not.
Just heard anna blighs new radio advert (self spoken) she is really trying to scrape the votes, she says something along the lines of 'polls are showing the lnp will win a landslide vvictory, but neither labor or lnp should have too many seats, don't give the lnp too much power'
Just heard anna blighs new radio advert (self spoken) she is really trying to scrape the votes, she says something along the lines of 'polls are showing the alp will win a landslide vvictory, but neither labor or alp should have too many seats, don't give the alp too much power'
you know the alp is the australian labor party, right?
I assumed he meant LNP.
I'm seeing online ads along the same lines now as well. Newmans face on the body of a spider, with a web covering all of QLD and "Too much power is never a good thing. remember that when you cast your vote"
Sorry, was at the school picking up my daughters listening to a million children shouting loudly, my head pounds with that much high pitched squealing.
I assumed he meant LNP. I'm seeing online ads along the same lines now as well.
Yep, the ALP seem to have decided to give their concession speech early.
Here's some more grovelling for the pity vote in today's CM:
The interesting thing is trying to define "too much power" in a unicameral parliament.
There are no options for me in ashgrove i don't think..
At the face of it, campbell is using this area as a stepping stone to further his career.. I am yet to hear how excited he'll be serving the ashgrove community..
Sure labor has totally and utterly dropped the ball and kate jones will do anything to keep her place so all i can hear is how much she talks about the community and how she wants to serve it but she inversely offers no state wide picture of things.. no real direction to assure me that Qld will be ok
I'm not prepared to shelf either of those ideas and none of the candidates offer me a viable outlook. Compromise isn't good enough I don't think.
My options in Beaudesert Electorate are (In order of current polls) LNP, KAP, ALP, Greens, One Nation, Family First.
The only realistic option I have is LNP, the rest are all terrible.
McLindon for KAP is a fuckwad (yay scooter) and the ALP candidate isn't even trying.
KAP - bob katter - lol
greens - would have us living in the dark ages - crazies
family first - would probably ban contraception or something equally as crazy
‘We don’t support any stage of the uranium industry – uranium exploration, mining, trading, nuclear power or nuclear weapons. We certainly don't want to see Australian uranium involved in the next Fukushima, as it was in the last. It’s an expensive, toxic, dangerous and unnecessary industry.’
Two points:
1. The Fukushima plant was extremely outdated and should have been decommissioned long ago. Moderns plants are safe enough to survive what it went through and more. So no, Australia wouldn't be "involved in the next Fukushima" you alarmists.
2. The "unnecessary industry" quote sounds like nothing other than emotional hippie opinions.
At the face of it, campbell is using this area as a stepping stone to further his career.. I am yet to hear how excited he'll be serving the ashgrove community..
I just don't get this line of thinking.
An electorate needs to supply the Premier, just as a bunch of them need to supply the cabinet.
You think it would be a bad thing for the electorate to have a sitting PRemier as the local member?
Fucking pork barrel city from both sides of politics
The best rep an Electorate can have is a Leader.
You effectively have the loudest voice in Parliament.
Mr Newman's primary vote has risen to 49 per cent, from 45.4 in the last ReachTEL poll two weeks ago.
Ms Jones' fortunes have gone the other way, sinking to 40.8 per cent from 44.4.
People will wonder which contestant on Australian Idol Kate was.
The greatest irony of the whole thing is that the Greens are preferencing Kate Jones, despite her being the greatest environmental vandal ever to hold the position of Minister for Environment!
so far my misses has received 6 Letters from the LNP from the same candidate for pretty much the same thing a day or two apart, sometimes 2 letters the same day.
Antony Greens site will carry all the data he is working with including live updates and his own projections, you will be basically seeing what he is seeing as he sits on the panel with a couple of minutes delay.
http://blogs.abc.net.au/antonygreen/
For serious Election junkies The ABC prolly has the best coverage though channel 9s might be a bit more fun and entertaining:
ABC 1
Joining Kerry O'Brien on the TV panel for their analysis, will be Jeff Seeney (LNP), Member for Callide, (Leader of the Opposition, Shadow Minister for State Development, Shadow Minister for Infrastructure and Planning and Shadow Minister for Reconstruction), and Paul Lucas (ALP) retiring Attorney-General, Minister for Local Government and Special Minister of State and of course Antony Green.
SkyNews has a fairly weak panel but multiview will carry feeds from both partys
On Saturday, March 24, SKY NEWS’ election day coverage commences at 4.30am QLD (5.30am AEDT) with First Edition, including live updates from reporters Celina Edmonds, Laura Jayes and Tom Connell.
SKY NEWS political editor David Speers will anchor the election night coverage from 3.00pm QLD (4.00pm AEDT).
As the vote count gets underway, Speers will be joined by a panel of expert commentators, including Federal Trade Minister Craig Emerson, former Howard Minister Mal Brough, Anna Bligh’s campaign strategist Bruce Hawker and Liberal powerbroker Michael Kroger.
SKY NEWS chief political reporter Kieran Gilbert will be at the Brisbane Tally Room and SKY NEWS reporters will shadow both party leaders throughout the night.
Channel 9 prolly has the most entertaining line-up with a few characters
Only Nine News will be LIVE from the Tally room all night with Andrew Lofthouse joined by Australia’s foremost political commentator, Laurie Oakes and Queensland political specialist with over 47 years experience, Spencer Jolly. Jolly first broke the story about Newman’s bold state political aspirations.
Nine has Queensland’s number one panel of political experts including;
• Peter Beattie: former Queensland Premier and veteran of 4 successful election campaigns
• Lawrence Springborg: former leader of the Liberal National Party
• Bob Katter: leader of Katter’s Australian Party
• Madonna King: award winning journalist and Courier Mail columnist
yeah, i'm heading to an election party in the arvo, however i would say that the 'election' part of the party will be over pretty quick smart and we'll just be drinking then
Doing a night Dive down the GC, so I'll probably surface to a new LNP Government. Wouldn't have watched it if I was at home anyway, would probably check updates online during though.
I had a bad dream about Campbell Newman. It was election day, and I hadn't voted yet, and somehow me and a whole bunch of other people got taken to lunch by Campbell Newman... on a cruise ship. We were there for ages, and time got away from us, and by the time it was over it was 7pm and too late to vote.
That was Newman's plan all along, to prevent us from being able to vote. What a sneaky fucker, and spending all the money on a cruise too. Not surprising the lengths he would go to and how much money he would spend, even this morning I drove past a 6 metre tall anti Kate Jones sign in Red Hill, it looked very expensive.
For some reason swimming coach Michael Bohl was there too? In my dream, not in Red Hill.
While I usually prefer tuning in to Aunty on the one night of the year that they pull Antony Green out of the mothballs, I reckon Channel 9 is on to a winner with Beattie, Springborg, Katter, Laurie Oakes & Madonna King in the same room together.
So whats the best time to go vote i really dont want to waste to much of my own time fkn queuing up to fkn vote.. should of done a postal i fkn always forgot.
Holy shit... Channel 9 sounds like it's going to turn into a Jerry Springer episode :D
I'm a little embarrassed by how much I'm looking forward to this. Am thinking of having some mates over to watch the coverage. It's not quite as good as being in the tally room, but it'll have to do this time.
Also, my local polling place is going to have a jumping castle. Pity people my size can't really go on them. We tend to ruin it for others and risk obliterating small children :(
Also, my local polling place is going to have a jumping castle. Pity people my size can't really go on them. We tend to ruin it for others and risk obliterating small children :(
children cant vote.
therefore it is for you.
I had a jumping castle at my 18th, very fun.
Hahahaha got a home printed letter this arvo from 'the ashgrove community' basically saying we could have an opposition back bencher as our representative or the premier!
Hahahaha got a home printed letter this arvo from 'the ashgrove community' basically saying we could have an opposition back bencher as our representative or the premier!
Hahah gw ashgrove! Way to get behind your gal!
Incorrect letter is incorrect. She'd be in the Shadow Cabinet.
remember the last federal election where there was some kind of site you could punch in all of your opinions on certain policies and it would tell you who you should vote for?
Incorrect letter is incorrect. She'd be in the Shadow Cabinet.
Didn't she step down from her cabinet role because she couldn't handle it + campaigning for her seat? Or do you mean, that because there will be so few Labor members, everyone left will automatically have to be a shadow cabinet minister?
remember the last federal election where there was some kind of site you could punch in all of your opinions on certain policies and it would tell you who you should vote for?
trog made that, but he never quite finished it I believe.
Didn't she step down from her cabinet role because she couldn't handle it + campaigning for her seat? Or do you mean, that because there will be so few Labor members, everyone left will automatically have to be a shadow cabinet minister?
trog made that, but he never quite finished it I believe.
yeh I wanted to try to do one for this state election but alas, no time :( Will be dusting off soon for the next federal one though (will need some help though!)
I predict The Greens vote will decline
Labor to get 10 seats
Katter 2
I think Wellington and Dorothy Pratt are retiring so those two Independent seats will prolly go to The LNP.
Maybe 2 IND
The rest to the LNP.
It was a fucking pain in the ass. I get there and they don't have my name on the local role. Had my wife though and we sent in our forms at the same time....
I had to then line up for 25 minutes to absentee vote for my old electorate, followed by filling out another change of address form which I mailed off just then.
They better get it right this time because we've got the council elections in 4 weeks time and I really don't want to try to vote on the Gold Coast only to discover I'm still enrolled in Brisbane.
"About a week ago I realised that we've got a huge, powerful machine out there," he told AAP.
"Every poll that comes out, our vote has increased. There's some that have us on nine per cent, there's some that have us on 28 per cent."
"The important thing is to provide Australia with an alternative to the free trader or traitor policies of the major parties," he said.
This aint the Senate, you have to get to 51% to get the seat.
Did anyone get a recorded fone message from Peter Beatie yesterday? It started off something like "sorry to bother you". And then I hung up. That guy has some nerve.
Bligh is being a bit of a sore loser, moving her party to Labour headquarters. Ah well, apparently predictions are 13% swing with at most 10 seats for Labour.
They're confirming seats after about 2,000 counted votes. Surely that is a bit early.
They said at the start that people who want change vote early. Doesn't that indicate the potential for a late swing towards Labor if all the pro LNP guys voted early?
Voters wanting change vote early according to exit polls I'm guessing?
I don't think they're able to count the ballots in the order they're cast?
They're in a big box that gets jumbled up when it's emptied out onto a massive table.
I don't think they're able to count the ballots in the order they're cast?
They're in a big box that gets jumbled up when it's emptied out onto a massive table.
I can confirm this is correct. They don't start counting votes until after 6pm when the ballot box is dumped.
surely that box gets emptied a few times during the day.
It might get pushed down by the (A)EC(Q) official but it definitely doesn't get emptied as far as I am aware.
Where was the ballot to abolish ineffective state gov entirely :/
Unfortunately the state is the senior sovereign entity.
Australia is a federation of states, with out the states Australia ceases to exist. Needs a referendum first and we never vote Yes on them. I swear we are the most over governed people in the world.
surely that box gets emptied a few times during the day.
when i worked in a booth for the federal elec, (and is most likely the same case for this elec) if the box got full, it got replaced, and none (read NONE) of the boxes got opened till the poll was closed, and public was out (you need a fair bit of space to unfold all that shit)
We would have won more seats if my name was on the ballot paper as Katters Australia Party instead of Australia Party because we did so much promotion based around myself
so i'm usually pretty pro-liberal but i'm actually kind of wary of the massive majority that the LNP currently has - candy newman is just too much of a renegade and not conservative enough imo, and the joh bjelke-petersen era is still not far enough behind us.
so i'm usually pretty pro-liberal but i'm actually kind of wary of the massive majority that the LNP currently has - candy newman is just too much of a renegade and not conservative enough imo, and the joh bjelke-petersen era is still not far enough behind us.
Not conservative enough? First time I've ever seen that proffered as a negative.
I'm seriously shocked by the ego of Bob Katter. Even discussing the victory speech from Campbell Newman he tried to make it all about the Katter Party.
On the bright side, at least the Labor members can carpool to parliament. Save themselves some $$$ on petrol, and reduce carbon emissions in the process.
YaY a toll on every road.. the city is now a walking / cycling only zone.. FUCK.. i hate that cunt soo much don't really care about LNP vs. ALP i was just hoping that Campbell Newman wouldn't win his seat.. couldn't care less about the rest.
As for the 'Too much power.' It wouldn't matter if LNP simply held a majority, or a stupidly large majority (as is the case.) They would still have the majority. They don't have 'more' power than Labor had before them.
So fucking stoked that the Asshat McLindon lost his seat. I hope he runs for Local election and gets Shut the fuck down there too.
Why is everyone going nuts and thinking its the end of the world with LNP smashing Labor? Clearly they were doing something wrong, so wouldn't it be best to, I don't know, get rid of them? I'm sure if Newman fucked up Queensland that much we would go absolutely nuts and riot or rebel. Funny how everyone wanted LNP in and now they are like "oooo, did we do something wrong?"
i don't think it was any particular policy. You don't lose so epically from policy failure alone. Though, the privatisations probably hurt her. I think it was the incompetence and the corrupt nature of the government that got them done so hard.
she also made Mike Kaiser who was accused of electoral fraud her chief of staff (he could not be prosecuted because of the ridiculously short statute of limitations on electoral fraud. like 6 months!)
Mike Kaiser's stint in parliament would be a short one. He confessed to the Shepherdson Inquiry—set up to investigate electoral fraud—that he signed a false enrolment form in 1986.[5] He consequently resigned from the Labor Party in January 2001 to sit as an independent and did not contest the 2001 state election.
the queensland labor party has used the QPS as a spoils system and queensland has had to suffer corrupt and incompetent governance as a result. when you put party hacks and untrustworthy individuals like Kaiser in charge instead of people who are actually capable of doing a decent job then you get monumental fuckups like what happened to queensland health.
There was so many reasons to hate her where do you start but for me is was.
-Increased rego/power/fuel excise/general cost of living.
-Traviston dam
-Desal plant (doesn't work)
-Shutting down Cougar energy UGC plant at Kingaroy for releasing 2 parts per billion of benzene dispite origin energy having released in excess of 40pbb an having no reprocussions whatsoever. Also Anna's husband is the head of DERM which IMO is a huge conflict on interest.
-AFL stadium at the Gold coast.
-Water Grid
-loss of AAA credit rating
-The fact she was obviously against the carbon tax however didn't fight it.
The things she did wrong that didn't really effect me was
-Health payroll debarcle
-selling off assets (in fact I made a dollar or 2 off that)
Labor was always going to lose, but I think this sort of smashing should only be for truly corrupt governments, not just ones that made some controversial decisions
Labor wont even get 10 seats, the minimum to be recognised as a major party.
Libs had it worse in 2001 when they won 3 seats (Labor 66/Nationals 12). And at this point (if they can manage it), party renewal will probably be a good thing for Labor and eventually the electorate. A competitive political landscape hopefully will make both sides perform better, we sure know Labor has had no reason to exceed expectations when coasting to victories against the previously insipid Coalition/LNP in Qld, and their performance in the last couple of terms is the result.
What does this mean for government departments now? I happen to work for one, aside from our minister changing and some project funding being pulled, anything else to expect?
As for the 'Too much power.' It wouldn't matter if LNP simply held a majority, or a stupidly large majority (as is the case.) They would still have the majority. They don't have 'more' power than Labor had before them.
It's way worse if there's not even sufficient opposition numbers to form an effective shadow cabinet. I don't understand how even someone that agrees with 100% LNP policy could think that complete lack of debate and void of accountability could be a good thing for any governing body.
Maybe it had to happen this way to get the other side to wake up and smell their bullshit (I didn't vote 1 labor fwiw). But because of the extremity of this result it's still going to be a painful and damaging next few years for QLD.
It's way worse if there's not even sufficient opposition numbers to form an effective shadow cabinet. I don't understand how even someone that agrees with 100% LNP policy could think that complete lack of debate and void of accountability could be a good thing for any governing body.
Yeh that's the thing, they can still pass whatever legislature they want but with 6 people as the opposition (and a few random KAP lunatics) there isn't goint to be much review.
Its kind of like we've gone ultra super unicameral and done away with almost all the the opposition as well ...
I was under the impression the opposite side would always vote against whatever the current Government proposed or vice versa. So does it matter if the NLP have more numbers. It would be nice to see all parties werking together.
Dan / Hog I think you're both missing the real big picture.
Fact of the matter is a majority this big will take a minimum 6 years probably 9 just for Labor to be competitive. Natural attrition and time will result in some of the LNP marginal seats going back to Labor safe seats over the next two elections. But the LNP knows they can do a lot in the next 3-6 year window without risk of having a competitive election.
The danger is not in Labor not forming an effective shadow cabinet. Any danger lies in the LNP knowing they can do almost whatever they want without fear of losing at the next election.
At the same time though, this may not be a danger. Fact of the matter is that so long it doesn't take much of a swing to lose power both parties will act very conservatively and any major reforms that the state needs will not happen. If the LNP does things right this could be very good for the state.
BlighT ran amok after the last Eelction mostly because the NAts and Libs were such a terrible Opposition she prolly felt she could get away with anything.
Lets hope the same thing doesnt happen with the LNP.
Surely this has to send warning sounds to Federal Labor.
Theyve been smashed hard in NSW and QLD State Elections.
When Political leaders are allowed to get away with LIES they have to be punished hard or else they will all try it on.
Bit surprised at how well Katters mob did, many seats they finished ahead of Labor. I guess the Bigot Vote is a big pool, sad really.
There is a lot of reform and cutting that needs to be done to the government right now. the public service is badly bloated and all of the GOCs are filled with ALP cronies and seatwarmers.
I hope Campbell doesn't waste a day deleting all these rent-seekers and prunes back the Qld government so we can grow again. We have a $2b budget deficit, and that's BEFORE we find out what Fraser's black hole is going to be.
Dan / Hog I think you're both missing the real big picture.
Fact of the matter is a majority this big will take a minimum 6 years probably 9 just for Labor to be competitive. Natural attrition and time will result in some of the LNP marginal seats going back to Labor safe seats over the next two elections. But the LNP knows they can do a lot in the next 3-6 year window without risk of having a competitive election.
Oh so you're saying that there is a danger that the Government will be operating unopposed this term without an effective alternative for the next election? Which part of the picture was missed while we were talking about an ineffective and numbers-starved ALP unable to articulate a credible Opposition? Do you know what the job of the shadow cabinet is?
I sort of thought that was implied and that a 3-4 paragraph post was unnecessary to explain it. Guess I was wrong.
Yeh that's the thing, they can still pass whatever legislature they want but with 6 people as the opposition (and a few random KAP lunatics) there isn't goint to be much review.
My apologies hog, I suppose when you talked only about review and did not provide even a slight inference about the next election I was out of line for thinking that you were only thinking about the review process.............
Lets be honest though, with the people Labor have put up this election, even if they could field a full shadow cabinet they would be all but useless anyway. They couldn't even get their own projects/portfolios to work properly, why would you want someone who doesn't know anything being the person to pass judgement/review on it?
I'm definitely not saying that what the LNP will do is all going to be good (either implementation or personal opinion wise) but they will have the power to stick to what they want to do and hopefully can actually accomplish things. Rather then just fuck everything up, like what has happened for the last 10 years.
My apologies hog, I suppose when you talked only about review and did not provide even a slight inference about the next election I was out of line for thinking that you were only thinking about the review process.............
Well my focus was certainly on the legislature review process mate because I was making a point about unicameralism in QLD.
I just fail to see how it follows that I was missing your insightful 'big picture analysis' about the ALP being unlikely to retake Government at the end of the next term.
I suppose because I see the review process as more a here and now (one term) issue which will probably be resolved at the latest next election whilst the other is longer term 6 or 9+ year issue and hence big picture?
I suppose because I see the review process as more a here and now (one term) issue which will probably be resolved at the latest next election whilst the other is longer term 6 or 9+ year issue and hence big picture?
You don't know what unicameralism is then?
And apparently unless we're talking about the ALP's re-election prospects then we're missing the 'big picture'?
Will it just be the people in Bligh's electorate that have to vote again? I bet they're gonna love having to do that.
Yes..
You don't know what unicameralism is then?
Unicameralism is always bad because there is not possiblility of any check or balance. If Queensland had an upper house then it is possible to change goverment without the whitewash of a unicameral system.
To that extent it works both ways...Queensland swings to either Labor or LNP. Simply put one side is for building infrastructure and social programs the other is for small government and private enterprise. Either way a whole portion of society is effectively disenfranchised.
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On review of this thread it seems to me that most of the LNP supporter vote on personality rather than substance. Net effect they're arseholes like Tony Abbott etc.
On review of this thread it seems to me that most of the LNP supporter vote on personality rather than substance. Net effect they're arseholes like Tony Abbott etc.
Better then voting because a party that hasn't been in power in 20 odd years wasn't very good. And carrying that hatred towards a completely new and different party in the present day. I guess.
Also, lol if you actually think that people chose LNP over ALP in this election simply because of personalities.
The ALP vote might have been even lower if the media hadn't cropped out the sign language interpreter from all the press conferences where Bligh and Fraser announced the bad shape the state finances were in.
I didn't even get to vote due to not being on the electorate roll for some odd reason. However when I went to vote, I asked each party what their policies were on all that is needed, especially rates because I just borrowed $5000 and don't really want it to inflate. I also got to ask the groups on their stance with the video game industry because that's my industry. I'm not stupid enough to vote just on a face, and I hope others don't as well.
I think that the http://www.tattersallsclub.com/ (traditionally the home of both the National, Liberal {and Labour (barely)} elite) is finally near death.
I'm sure that in the days to come this historical landmark of Queensland will come alive again (Labour - this is one of your failings, though I praise Pete Beattie for his efforts).
It looks like for now - it will again be the home of Lib/Nat elite... so long as you have a Penis.
..just saying
hopefully we'll just do this exercise the once. I really don't want to have to grind through this stuff eh. This is politics - not a damn videogame.
The looney looney left has finally been killed in Queensland.
The funniest thing is that they are all scratching their heads wondering why they were destroyed. "LNP must have cheated some how! There was nothing wrong with us!"
Even Anna Bligh said "Labor has a record we can be proud of" at her conede speech.
You would have to be delusional to trumpet the achievements of your government when you have just been given a 16% thrashing. Get your head out of your ass lady!
Lol, she should have done that during the election, this is what we've done, this is what we want to do, instead of fuck cambell, fuck him in the arse.
The looney looney left has finally been killed in Queensland.
They just lay dormant until LNP screw up.
I found it a bit surprising the number of votes KAP won. Not many seats, but a lot more votes then labour or greens, some seats weren't too far behind LNP.
Labor scored the same percentage in the NSW Election recently.
When Rudd was king Labor was in power all over Australia.
5 years later only SA is Labor. (and NT)
Unless Abbott brings back Workchoices 2.0 or murders a baby he will be PM after the next Federal Election. Labor should have brought back Rudd, they have no hope with Gillard.
Any diehard Labor supporters here gave up on Bligh ?
do you feel similarly about Gillard ?
Abbott wouldn't murder a Baby, he's Pro-life. Which loses him votes :p
I'm interested to hear if Spook or HJ think that Labor should have wone this election in QLD, and if so why they should still be allowed to be in power.
I've been bent in double all day putting the engine back together on a Barina after a headgasket (my fucking back, ouch) and missed the news. Invoice her the bloody cost of this by-election after she told South Brisbane she would continue to hold her seat if she lost the premiership.
I'm interested to hear if Spook or HJ think that Labor should have wone this election in QLD, and if so why they should still be allowed to be in power.
Firstly, I'm not pro-Labor, I'm anti-Liberal. This is because in a country so large with so little population we can't maintain a standard for all without government constantly upgrading Infrastructure. The Liberals don't build things they destroy them.
Secondly, State governments are useless. We should only have Local and Federal Government. Local government deals with local issues like garbage collection, residential/industrial/rural development and local roads. Everything else is done Federally, Law, Defense, Health, Education, Environment, Customs, etc, etc. Unify the lot and remove the differences and duplication.
Ahh, you kinda come off as a Pro-Labor and LNP are the Anti-christ kinda guy.
I fully agree with the abolishing of the State, but as others have said, easier said than done.
Can-do seems to be fairly pro-infrastructure though, and giving what Labor did with our roads and assets, do you actually believe that a LNP government will be worse than that!?
The Liberals don't build things they destroy them.
No, The Liberals philosophy is to get Private Industry to build things and save Taxpayers money. Nothing the Government ever does is cheaper than what an efficient business model can do.
Ahh, you kinda come off as a Pro-Labor and LNP are the Anti-christ kinda guy.
There being no alternative to Liberal other than Labor people would think that. The Greens to me are like what the Democrats were.
Can-do seems to be fairly pro-infrastructure though, and giving what Labor did with our roads and assets, do you actually believe that a LNP government will be worse than that!?
I'm sure he'll keep it all within his family. BTW all the road construction going on in Brisbane atm is Federally funded by the Rudd/Gillard people, Howard never spent a brass razoo.
No, The Liberals philosophy is to get Private Industry to build things and save Taxpayers money. Nothing the Government ever does is cheaper than what an efficient business model can do.
Yes, thats right private industry isn't interested in building infrastructure. Hence why the ultimate result is destruction. Private industry would wait until everything is falling apart and then charge a premium to do the minimal. Profit is their lord god.
This is why the NBN will always be better than the pos the Liberals talk about. You know it as fact and therefore my case proven irrefutably. Now go away Faceman or I'll continue to prove you a fuckwit as normal.
Pretty sure the CMC cleared him of all the shit Labor were flinging at him, so far at least. So this seems like a baseless attack on his character, because of preconceived judgments on other Lib parties from when you were younger.
However, even if he does, you get the roads, probably cheaper and with less red tape. Win-Win. Unless you are viaing for the construction contract as well I guess.
Both Labor and Coalition governments have supported this agenda, at state and federal levels. It has become the common sense of policy-making. If something is a problem, apply market logic to it. If something is still wrong, apply more market logic.
No, The Liberals philosophy is to get Private Industry to build things and save Taxpayers money. Nothing the Government ever does is cheaper than what an efficient business model can do.
Right. Save "taxpayers" money at the expense of those very same people as consumers.
Sure private enterprise will almost always be able to build big things in a more cost-effective efficient manner, but they also require a far higher rate of return on investment, so it can end up costing the average citizen much more in the long run.
It's a question of ideals, but really, what's better: a larger capex from the tax take when a new bridge is builtt or a toll charge on it for decades after it's construction? (hint: A moderate's person's answer would probably be something in the middle).
Call me cynical but nothing will change. Prices will still up on everything, every department will still say they are under funded and politicians will still lie. Maybe I am getting old but I can't help but giggle when people talk about change. LNP or Labor, it makes no difference which turd is floating on top in the bowl.
BTW all the road construction going on in Brisbane atm is Federally funded by the Rudd/Gillard people, Howard never spent a brass razoo.
You have got to be joking. The whole Roads to Recovery program for the Pacific Highway was funded by the Howard government. On a excise to road funding comparison, the Rudd/Gillard investment in roads has fallen since the Howard Government, according to an RACQ speaker on 612abc the other day.
The great shame about the Labor attitude of building stuff through the government is 1) it lumps us all with massive public debt which we are taxed for generations to repay and 2) Labor fill all the GOC boards up with their crony mates (Mike Kaiser a convicted ALP vote rorter is a fat cat earning $400k in the NBN Co.) and 3) the government solution is always far more costly than if the private sector had done it e.g. school halls debacle, wheeling free money out into the street, pink batts debacle.
Thankfully Queensland is about to have at least 10 years of good prudent leadership, let's strip this public service back, get rid of all the waste and bloat that 20 years of Labor careerists who've never worked in the private sector has created.
This is why the NBN will always be better than the pos the Liberals talk about. You know it as fact and therefore my case proven irrefutably. Now go away Faceman or I'll continue to prove you a fuckwit as normal.
It's a question of ideals, but really, what's better: a larger capex from the tax take when a new bridge is builtt or a toll charge on it for decades after it's construction? (hint: A moderate's person's answer would probably be something in the middle).
Westminster democracy (at least in Oz) is flawwed, it relies "majoritarian cycling" to try an achieve a balance in the middle between 2 parties. In Queensland (and to a lesser degree Australia), we are resistant to change. So parties stay entrenched for far too long meaning the cycle goes to far in each direction.
It doesn't help that parties are changing what they stand for, but ultimately most voters don't get what the parties represent anyway and vote for the personality leading the party (which in and of it self breaks the Westminster system).
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