There ain't enough doom and gloom threads so thought I'd make one coz it's been far too long.
I was originally going to make it about Iran but I thought it would be good to include the scope of the whole thing. Things are ramping up over there, including the cut off by Pakistan of NATO supplies due to a border attack. Here's a bunch of crap about stuff.
William Hague has warned Iran it faces "serious consequences" over the attack on the British embassy in Tehran.
Hundreds of protesters surged onto two compounds this afternoon, putting the safety of staff at risk and causing "extensive damage" to property, the foreign secretary said.
"Clearly there will be other, further, and serious consequences. I will make a statement updating parliament on this tomorrow [Wednesday]."
Widely conflicting reports emerge of apparent explosion in the
north-east of Isfahan near where nuclear facilities are located
Conflicting reports have emerged from Iran over an explosion heard in the central city of Isfahan, close to the country's sensitive nuclear facilities.
Iran's semi-official Isna news agency quoted a judiciary official in Isfahan, saying that an explosion had been heard.
"We heard a sound similar to that of an explosion but we have received no reports about its causes and the consequences so far," said Gholamreza Ansari, in quotes carried by Isna. He said the explosion did not appear to be of any significance.
Apparently 12 CIA operatives have been caught in IRAN recently, most probably painting targets. More on that:
Influential politician says US spies had been gathering intelligence on military units and nuclear activities
Iran has arrested 12 people it claims were working undercover for the CIA inside the Islamic republic, further raising tensions in its already strained relationship with the US.
On Wednesday, the Irna state news agency quoted a senior Iranian official as saying that the spies it claimed to have arrested had been gathering intelligence from Iran's security and military units as well as its highly sensitive nuclear programme.
Iran threatens 150,000 missile response to Israeli Jerichos
Saber-rattling rhetoric in the Middle East is reaching new heights. Israel is reportedly deploying its long-range Jericho missiles around Jerusalem, while the Iranian defense minister threatened massive missile retaliation against Israel.
The threat to launch “150,000 or more” missiles was voiced by Brigadier General Ahmad Vahidi on Sunday as he was delivering a speech before army volunteers. Earlier Iranian officials threatened retaliation against both Israel and NATO, should an attack on Iran be carried out.
Meanwhile Israel is reportedly deploying its own missiles around Jerusalem and in the West Bank. The missiles carried into position by military tracks resemble the Jericho missiles, says Aaron Klein, head of the Jerusalem bureau for WorldNetDaily, citing several eyewitness accounts.
ELEANOR HALL: The Pakistani government further strained its relationship with the US overnight by announcing that it will boycott talks on the future of Afghanistan in protest over the NATO air strikes that killed two dozen Pakistani soldiers on the weekend.
It's just the latest deterioration in the once tight alliance between Islamabad and Washington.
The Pakistanis had already blocked all NATO logistical supplies that cross the border into Afghanistan, and it's given the United States 15 days to vacate an air base from which the CIA has run lethal drone strikes against militants in Pakistan's tribal areas.
Anyone who actually thinks Israel is better than any other country in the middle east is being ignornat and needs to read up on the crazy shit that Israel does, not only to it's own citizens but neighbouring countries.
yeah i've got a good friend in palestine at the moment, hope nothing goes down while he is in his last week or so there (has another week in palestine then a week in israel and then he's off) after he's spent 3ish months in the area.
Reposting from my superior and more popular thread to try to make sure this doesn't derail into a boring Israel vs Palestine thread. I think this is much more interesting:
ranian protesters stormed the British Embassy compound in Tehran on Tuesday, smashing windows and burning the British flag during a rally to protest against sanctions imposed by Britain, live Iranian television showed.
Protesters threw molotov cocktails and one waved a framed picture of Queen Elizabeth apparently found inside the compound, the state TV showed.
An NBC News cameraman at the scene reported that the protesters tore down the British flag and replaced it with the Iranian flag.
The Associated Press reported that the protesters, numbering in the dozens, were hardline students and that they clashed with riot police.
I don't know anything about international law, but I thought embassies were basically considered sovereign entities in their own rights - if you attack an embassy it is basically considered an attack on the country itself?
I especially think this photo is great, showing an Iranian cop standing around while looters take shit out of the embassy. Iran taking the security and integrity of the embassy extremely seriously at all levels:
fade pointed out in the other thread that embassy soil is NOT actually sovereign, it just gets some special privileges. So this isn't an "act of war", I guess, but it's pretty fucking weak of the Iranian government and shows how seriously they want to be a player on the world stage.
so they cracked it because Britain introduced economic sanctions because of the Iranian nuclear program?
to be honest, i don't see why Britain even has an embassy in Iran, given that Iran doesn't really have good relations with any western countries, outside of giving cover to spies and helping intrepid tourists avoid Iranian jail, what would the British embassy in Iran do?
AN IRANIAN nuclear facility has been hit by a huge explosion, the second such blast in a month, prompting speculation that Tehran's military and atomic sites are under attack.
on a semi-relevant note, i read a (possibly lame) joke about iran the other day on reddit:
All the intelligence agencies in the world decided to have a contest to see who was the best. In the end, it was a tie between the American, Russian, and Irani agencies. The final challenge was that they would release a bunny into the forest, and time how long it takes for each agency to find it.
So the first up was Russia. They release the bunny into the woods, and the Russians immediately set the woods ablaze. After a few days of raging fire, the bunny comes running out of the forest.
Next up was the USA. They release the bunny into the woods, and the Americans use all the latest and most advanced satellite and heat seeking technologies, by the end of the night, the Americans come out of the woods with the little bunny in hand.
Last up, the Iranians. They release the bunny into the woods, and 10 minutes later the Irani agent comes out of the woods with a Bear in handcuffs. The bear, with tears in his eyes, speaks up and says "I am bunny. My father was bunny, and his fathers before him were all bunny.
The Russians are now sending an Aircraft Carrier Group to Syria.
They already had a handful of Navy Ships off the coast of Syria.
Its quite likely Russian Subs are already off the coast.
There is going to be "something" happening there in the next 7 days.
Either Russia or America will have to back down.
Turkey in the last couple of days has said it will not support a No-Fly Zone over Syria nor will it support Foreign Troops in Syria.
Iran has told Turkey that it will target Turkish sites if NATO attacks Iran from Turkey. This wedges Turkey between NATO and the Iran-Syria alliance.
Jordan has moved its tanks and Aircraft close to the Syrian border.
Israel has moved its gear back up towards the border of Lebanon.
Lybia has offered to send Aircraft and Soldiers to support an invasion of Syria.
Iraq has refused to support the Arab Leagues sanctions on Syria as has Lebanon.
and thats all in the last few of days.
Russia will not allow an attack on Syria.
Russia and China want a UN Vote where they can veto any action.
America doesnt want The UN involved for that reason.
Then you have the Pakistan/Afghani crisis after NATO murdered 25 Pakistan soldiers. Pakistan has closed the NATO supply routes into Afghanistan
I think the clock just moved a little closer to midnight.
(taggs can you edit your post and include a quote from that site? just so we can keep a running commentary about everything) (yes i sound like trog and it feels good)
so they cracked it because Britain introduced economic sanctions because of the Iranian nuclear program?
to be honest, i don't see why Britain even has an embassy in Iran, given that Iran doesn't really have good relations with any western countries, outside of giving cover to spies and helping intrepid tourists avoid Iranian jail, what would the British embassy in Iran do?
They all have too much sand in their vaginas. They need to chill out and stop being so shitty at each other because of the shit in their crazy fictional text books (bibles).
Israel is just as bad as the rest of them. They're all shit. Except Egypt, they have pyramids. So they win.
Also big things happening with Syria and Russia...
Russian warships that have reached waters off Syria in recent days were carrying, among other things, Russian technical advisors who will help the Syrians set up an array of S-300 missiles Damascus has received in recent weeks, a report in the London-based Arabic language Al Quds-Al Arabi said Thursday. Citing sources in Syria and Russia, the paper said that Moscow sees a Western attack on Syria as a “red line” that it will not tolerate.
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The United States has decided to disengage itself from certain obligations on the Conventional Forces in Europe Treaty (CFE). In particular, the USA will no longer inform Russia about the plans connected with the redeployment of its forces. Those restrictions are not touching upon any other country.
Shit be going down. North Korean King Kim has been heavily suspected of meeting Russian diplomats during the year for 'trade talks'.
Russia seems to feel it can take on the US, certainly NATO at least. It just may follow up on their words if Syria is attacked. Who knows what that will spark with Isreal and surrounding enemies.
Will that be enough distraction for China to muscle its Will in the South China Sea and tell India to 'FOAD the oil is ours?'
AN IRANIAN nuclear facility has been hit by a huge explosion, the second such blast in a month, prompting speculation that Tehran's military and atomic sites are under attack.
Iran went into frantic denial yesterday as news of the explosion at Isfahan emerged. Alireza Zaker-Isfahani, the city's governor, claimed that the blast had been caused by a military exercise in the area but state-owned agencies in Tehran soon removed this story and issued a government denial that any explosion had taken place at all.
The craziest thing to me is that live foreign munitions have struck Iranian territory and all they can do is claim "we fucked up during a training session" or "not sure what happened?" - talk about getting your foot shoved up your own backside. Rather than risk a major conflict they are willing to look like a bunch of muppets while getting attacked just cause of the pressure of the situation. Sucks to be them.
A staunch anti-jew islamic extremist country such as Iran aren't going to admit they have been sucessfully attacked by TEH DA JOOOOOS OMG THE JOOOOOS THE JOOOS ARE BEHIND EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD!
Iran's military is about as technological as the last dump i took. They can't stop Israeli strikes, they know this, everyone knows this yet they try to pretend it's not happening so they aren't embarrased.
I know there are no saints in the middle east... but as i have said before and i will say again - where one side (claims) to say they will look for a peaceful solution and the opposing side says "we wont rest until you are all dead and your nation no longer exists", you have to go with the (sic) moderates!
Both side are idiots, complete and utter fuckwits. One side is ever so slightly less of a bunch of fuckwits though. That doesn't mean you should support them.
Both side are idiots, complete and utter fuckwits. One side is ever so slightly less of a bunch of fuckwits though. That doesn't mean you should support them.
This +1.
They're both as bad as each other. The only reason that Israel gets so much love is because western leaders (especially USA) are in bed with Israel.
man, i dunno whats going on in syria, but ive been watching probably the most fucked up violence ive ever seen on the intenrets (ok maybe not quite as bad as the columbian/mexican drug lords shit) coming out of it for the last month or so.
government troops killing kids, their own citizens in the street.
ridiculously violent shit that doesnt kill people, taking their eyes.
the most fucked up thing was an 11 yo kid getting sniped at the family dinner table by government troops and the family finding it and how they react. his sister paints anti government slogans in her dead brothers blood on the wall.
They only just left Iraq, I thought we'd get a break before more of this utter fuking bullshit comes back... WMD's? Bad dictator guy? they attacked a guard boat? Stole some agents? People have to be fucking retarded to fall for this crap again.
the most fucked up thing was an 11 yo kid getting sniped at the family dinner table by government troops and the family finding it and how they react. his sister paints anti government slogans in her dead brothers blood on the wall.
its extremist idealogy (islam) dictates jews as the enemy
Maybe Iran but Islam doesn't dictate that Jews are the enemy you fucking knob.
man, i dunno whats going on in syria, but ive been watching probably the most fucked up violence ive ever seen on the intenrets (ok maybe not quite as bad as the columbian/mexican drug lords shit) coming out of it for the last month or so.
government troops killing kids, their own citizens in the street.
ridiculously violent shit that doesnt kill people, taking their eyes.
the most fucked up thing was an 11 yo kid getting sniped at the family dinner table by government troops and the family finding it and how they react. his sister paints anti government slogans in her dead brothers blood on the wall.
shits crazy, you cant comprehend it.
Spook the murders have been going for every day for months but mainstream media would rather talk about Steve Jobs or some other asshole. Despite a Sunni majority in Syria, the Syrian government are of the Alawi sect to which the family of President Bashar al-Assad belongs. Basically Alawi's are an extreme form of Shias (although they claim they're not shias) who believe that Ali (the prophet Mohammad's cousin) is divine, kinda like jesus divine in Christianity. They're off their guts but also hate sunni guts and have no qualms spilling their blood any day of the week let alone over having their hold on power on the line. The shit i saw on posted on facebook alone left me disturbed for days..
Why does no-one give a shit that Russia is arming Syria with all sorts of gizmos, some of which are the most advanced anti-air missiles and system available? Possibly Iran too.
Russians have been getting real pissy about the anti-missile shield, more then their usual sabre ratling. They have basically said if NATO backed by US involvment attacks Syria then it's on.
its extremist idealogy (islam) dictates jews as the enemy
Maybe Iran but Islam doesn't dictate that Jews are the enemy you fucking knob.
yeah, cause fixah is tots open minded about the jewish state,
(I have noticed many a non iranian muslim pushing the hate, to the point where they refuse to drink coke because of jewish connections, so it is easy for someone on the outside looking in to think that muslims hate jews!!)
Maybe Iran but Islam doesn't dictate that Jews are the enemy you fucking knob.
It does. Do your research kid.
Did you think the average muslim hates jews just for the hell of it? Did you think that all the arab muslim countries (supported by most of the arab league) surrounding israel invaded just for "fun" ? Do you think that the 20,000 muslims drafted in the SS during world war 2 to hunt jews was a coincidence?
Try reading the Koran.
The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.
The modern Arab-Israeli conflict is the culmination of more than a century of hatred, arrogance and a near suicidal unwillingness on the part of Arabs to compromise with the existence of a Jewish state, despite the fact that the area on which it sits has been the ancestral homeland of the Jews since 2000 years before Muhammad was even born.In the 3500 years since the first establishment of Israel, many other empires have come and gone in the region, yet the Jews have always maintained a presence in the land that is sacred to them.At the beginning of WWI, most of the Middle East belonged to the Ottoman Empire. Muslim control of the region had been nearly constant since Mohammad’s armies subjugated the Jews and Christians in the seventh century – punctuated only by 150 years of Crusader opposition. In the three decades prior to the war, the population of the area known as Palestine was augmented by an influx of European and Russian Jews. This was the beginning of the modern Zionist movement, whose proponents believed that it was their destiny to reclaim the land of Israel.
You gotta hand it to Mohammad he was smart fella to think up this cult/religion. I reckon L Ron Hubbard was copying Mohammad's template for designing a cult and just swapped all the violence for ripping off peoples bank accounts.
Why does no-one give a shit that Russia is arming Syria with all sorts of gizmos, some of which are the most advanced anti-air missiles and system available? Possibly Iran too.
No real difference between that and the US arming Israel. And who thought the cold war was dead :P
The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.
The Christian treating of jews over history has been waaaaaaay more anti-semetic! Wasn't until the 60's that the Catholics didn't consider the Jews heretics:
There are a good number of Jews living in Iran, Real Middle Eastern Jews as opposed to the Zionist Jews that run Israel. Zionism is Irans enemy not Jews.
Not all Germans were Nazis not all Jews are Zionists.
You gotta hand it to Mohammad he was smart fella to think up this cult/religion. I reckon L Ron Hubbard was copying Mohammad's template for designing a cult and just swapped all the violence for ripping off peoples bank accounts.
The Constitution of Medina (Arabic: صحیفة المدینه, Ṣaḥīfat al-Madīna), also known as the Charter of Medina, was drafted by the Islamic prophet Muhammad.
The non-Muslims included in the ummah had the following rights:[21]
The security of God is equal for all groups,[22]
Non-Muslim members have equal political and cultural rights as Muslims. They will have autonomy and freedom of religion.[23]
Non-Muslims will take up arms against the enemy of the Ummah and share the cost of war. There is to be no treachery between the two.[24]
Non-Muslims will not be obliged to take part in religious wars of the Muslims.[25
So i had this long reply typed out to this Bonertron69 random and lost it all. Sigh.
It does. Do your research kid
No it doesn't. I've done my research. I'm a Muslim. Oh and if you think a 28 year old man is a kid then you must be one crusty old man, and it shows through your posts.
Try reading the Koran.
I've read the Quran and understood much more than you ever will in 10 life times. Since i'm bi-lingual I read and understand it (as much as I can) in its original Arabic text and have also read its translation in English and it's commentary (tafsir) by Ibn Katheer. I have no doubts that you're aware of the most well known and respected commentator of the Quran seeing how you're an expert on Quranic verses yourself. Right? Translating Quran from Arabic (from over 1400 years ago) to English is difficult and not one to be taken lightly nor is it for the average translators to decide what is meant by the words of God. Yet here we have our resident expert Mufassir (translator) of the Quran with no context or background info citing laughable sources such as thereligionofpeace and answering-islam that have been known for yonks to be fake and anti-islamic websites spreading not only misconceptions but total falsehood. Murder, rape, prostitution are advocated in Islam? Good one. Don't waste my time again unless you want to discuss the Quran in person. I can arrange a meeting for you discuss the aforementioned verses with a real expert who knows more than merely how to use a search engine. Until then you're a fucking joke mate and nothing more than a Krusading Keyboard warrior.
I've read the Quran and understood much more than you ever will in 10 life times. Since i'm bi-lingual I read and understand it (as much as I can) in its original Arabic text and have also read its translation in English and it's commentary (tafsir) by Ibn Katheer. I have no doubts that you're aware of the most well known and respected commentator of the Quran seeing how you're an expert on Quranic verses yourself. Right? Translating Quran from Arabic (from over 1400 years ago) to English is difficult and not one to be taken lightly nor is it for the average translators to decide what is meant by the words of God. Yet here we have our resident expert Mufassir (translator) of the Quran with no context or background info citing laughable sources such as thereligionofpeace and answering-islam that have been known for yonks to be fake and anti-islamic websites spreading not only misconceptions but total falsehood. Murder, rape, prostitution are advocated in Islam? Good one. Don't waste my time again unless you want to discuss the Quran in person. I can arrange a meeting for you discuss the aforementioned verses with a real expert who knows more than merely how to use a search engine. Until then you're a fucking joke mate and nothing more than a Krusading Keyboard warrior.
Arabs were sad that they hadn't been sent a prophet and had no scripture in their own language. I'd hardly call Islam it's own religion purely because it's a plagarism of jewish and christian scripture sent to the masses through chinese whispers.
"hey guys anyone remember what that loony tune was saying?"
Arabic wasn't even standardized at the time of it being compilated, even the dome of the rock has verses which differ from the Quran.
Sure is alot of alteration in the unalterable word of god.
Mohammed was lucky to have his mate ibn nawfal on hand when he needed some new material LOL
No it doesn't. I've done my research. I'm a Muslim.
Provide proof that it doesn't.
and Ah yes, the good old "i'm muslim on the internet, so im right" trick.
As for the other things you wrote, just from reading the first line i instantly knew you were a muslim apologist. You see, muslims and muslim apologists have a set list of games/tricks they play with people who confront them with the truth. Heres one of the games you played.
Translating Quran from Arabic (from over 1400 years ago) to English is difficult and not one to be taken lightly nor is it for the average translators to decide what is meant by the words of God
The Muslim Game:
The Qur’an can only be fully understood in Arabic. One cannot criticize Islam without knowing Arabic.
The Truth:
Although Muslims often tell critics of Islam to "read the Qur'an," they are usually unprepared for what happens when their advice is heeded. An honest translation of Islam's holiest book generally reinforces negative opinion. The fallback is to then claim that the Qur'an can only be understood in Arabic.
Of all the efforts to artificially insulate Islam from intellectual critique, this is probably the most transparent. Unfortunately, for those Muslims craving reassurance from the more embarrassing passages of the Qur’an and Sunnah, this cheap tactic of arbitrarily dismissing anything they disagree with still comes at a heavy price, since Islam cannot be protected in this way without sacrificing its claim to being a universal religion.
In the first place, it is fundamentally impossible for anyone to learn a language that cannot be translated into the only one they do know, which means the apologists who insist that “one must learn Arabic” in order to understand the Qur’an are committing a logical fallacy. Either the Arabic of the Qur’an is translatable (in which case there is no need to learn Arabic) or it is not (in which case it can never be learned by the non-native speaker).
Enter the skeptic. While every language has its nuances, how is that Arabic is the only one with words and phrases that are literally untranslatable? More importantly, why in the world would Allah choose to communicate his one true religion for all people in the only language that cannot be understood by all people? Even the vast majority of Muslims and their imams do not speak Arabic.
Even more suspicious is that this amazing linguistic “discovery” was only recently made – and that it corresponds quite remarkably with the contemporary rejection of Islamic practices that were considered acceptable up until the religion’s recent collision with Western liberalism. In fact, the argument that hidden and alternate meanings exist to unflattering Qur’anic passages (justifying slavery, the inferior status of women, sexual gluttony, holy warfare, wife-beating, and religious discrimination) corresponds quite precisely with the level of embarrassment that modern scholars have about the presence of such verses in the Qur’an!
"Those who believe, and the Jews, and the Sabi'un, and the Christians, who believe in God and the Last Day and do good, there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve." Quran - 5:69
"Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things." Quran - 2:256
The prophet had a Jewish wife called Safiyya.
The prophet had a jewish neighbour who used to constantly throw rubbish at his house. When the man fell sick the prophet knew and visited him. The man asked how he knew he was sick and the prophet said because days have passed without him throwing rubbish at his house. The man then became muslim.
Under Islamic rule Jews were entitled to protection and resources of the Islamic Ummah (commonwealth) and were never forced into conversion. They were free to chose their profession and flourished, particularly under the Ottoman Empire.
That's just off the top off my head. According to you, all of the above is hate incited by Islam. The rest of your post about the "muslim game' is rubbish and frankly have no interest in going into semantics with you. Just admit the fact that you posted up bullshit sources in the disguise of "proof" because of your islamaphobia. I'm still waiting for you to accept my offer and meet me in person to discuss this further, or are you scared of meeting Muslims in the face? ask the others who have met me and i'm sure they'll tell you i wont bite. I'm done with this clown and yet another thread turned into baseless attacks about Islam. Peace.
Unbelievers are described by Muhammad (in the Qur'an) as "the vilest of animals" and "losers." Christians and Jews are hated by Allah to the extent that they are destined for eternal doom as a result of their beliefs. It would make no sense for Muhammad to then recommend them to be taken in as friends by Muslims. In fact, the Qur'an plainly commands believers not to take unbelievers as friends.
The Qur'an:
Qur'an (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."
Qur'an (5:80) - "You will see many of them befriending those who disbelieve; certainly evil is that which their souls have sent before for them, that Allah became displeased with them and in chastisement shall they abide." Those Muslims who befriend unbelievers will abide in hell.
Qur'an (3:28) - "Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them..." This last part means that the Muslim is allowed to feign friendship if it is of benefit. Renowned scholar Ibn Kathir states that "believers are allowed to show friendship outwardly, but never inwardly."
Qur'an (3:118) - "O you who believe! do not take for intimate friends from among others than your own people, they do not fall short of inflicting loss upon you; they love what distresses you; vehement hatred has already appeared from out of their mouths, and what their breasts conceal is greater still; indeed, We have made the communications clear to you, if you will understand." This verse not only warns Muslims not to take non-Muslims as friends, but it establishes the deep-seated paranoia that the rest of the world is out to get them.
Qur'an (9:23) - "O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers" Even family members are not to be taken as friends if they do not accept Islam. (This is the mildest interpretation of this verse from the 9th Sura, which also advocates "slaying the unbeliever wherever ye find them").
Qur'an (53:29) - "Therefore shun those who turn away from Our Message and desire nothing but the life of this world."
Qur'an (3:85) - "And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers."
Qur'an (3:10) - "(As for) those who disbelieve, surely neither their wealth nor their children shall avail them in the least against Allah, and these it is who are the fuel of the fire." Those who do not believe in Muhammad are but fuel for the fire of Hell (also 66:6, 2:24. 21:98).
Qur'an (7:44) - "The Companions of the Garden will call out to the Companions of the Fire: "We have indeed found the promises of our Lord to us true: Have you also found Your Lord's promises true?" They shall say, "Yes"; but a crier shall proclaim between them: "The curse of Allah is on the wrong-doers" Muslims in heaven will amuse themselves by looking down on non-Muslims in Hell and mocking them while they are being tortured (see 22:19-22.
Qur'an (1:5-7) - "Show us the straight path, The path of those whom Thou hast favoured; Not the (path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who go astray" This is a prayer that Muslims are supposed to repeat each day. "Those who earn Thine anger" specifically refers to Jews and "those who go astray" refers to Christians (see Bukhari (12:749))
I'm still waiting for you to accept my offer and meet me in person to discuss this further, or are you scared of meeting Muslims in the face?
Of course i would be scared to meet up with you, especially after stating these facts about islam.
Muslims in general have a history of violence towards people who state the inconvenient truth, more specifically, murder. Theo van Gogh is one example.
Religion must be a fun hobby for people interested in the scripture i guess. If only there was a "haha told you so" after death. And if only i could be dumb enough to think i'd be going to a heaven or reincarnated or as many virgins as i desire after death.
Who the fuck believes this shit that religions throw at you?
TEHRAN - The Iranian Army's Navy has equipped its vessels with powerful anti-ship Qader (Mighty) cruise missiles, a senior Navy commander announced on Wednesday.
A cruise missile is a guided missile that carries an explosive payload and is propelled, usually by a jet engine, towards a land-based or sea-based target, according to Wikipedia.
Iranian new services are reporting (less than 12 hours ago) that a large number of such missiles have "already been delivered" to the Iranian naval combat units.
Iranian Navy is now using the new Qader as a "coast-to-sea" and "surface-to-surface" missile, and noted that in some cases the cruise missile can be mounted onto different types of helicopters as well.
The Iranian Navy has traditionally been the smallest branch of Iran's armed forces and is designed mainly for securing its own ports and coast. It is largely a defensive rather than offensive force. The new cruise missiles however could pose a threat to U.S. Navy ship and bomber pilots when the U.S. decides to arbitrarily attack Iran for any reason.
Speculation is rampant that the U.S. may attack either Syria or Iran within the next couple of days or weeks.
These cruise missiles could pose a serious risk to U.S. bomber pilots and ships involved in any kind of assult or attack on Iran.
Yep, somehow i knew you were going to quote the same verses every other hater quotes. Some of those versus do not relate to Jews directly but to those who are sinners and have rejected the message of monotheism. Other versus target a specific group of Jews at a particular time because after all there are versus in the Quran which tell a story that occurred in the past (where scholars interpret lessons from it for us today). Some verses were revealed in the form of instructions which were also established as law of the Islamic religion. It's just that you with your narrow minded bigoted way of thinking read something then jump to conclusions and ignored the other verses and facts I gave you. Again i say you don't have any background info or context and you're merely going off some islamphobic hate website. Hell you even admitted you're scared of me because of my mere beliefs. You're a coward, a disgrace and a disservice to this community, mate.
Yep, somehow i knew you were going to quote the same verses every other hater quotes. Some of those versus do not relate to Jews directly but to those who are sinners and have rejected the message of monotheism. Other versus target a specific group of Jews at a particular time because after all there are versus in the Quran which tell a story that occurred in the past (where scholars interpret lessons from it for us today). Some verses were revealed in the form of instructions which were also established as law of the Islamic religion. It's just that you with your narrow minded bigoted way of thinking read something then jump to conclusions and ignored the other verses and facts I gave you. Again i say you don't have any background info or context and you're merely going off some islamphobic hate website. Hell you even admitted you're scared of me because of my mere beliefs. You're a coward, a disgrace and a disservice to this community, mate. arc, the thread is all yours starting nnnnnnnow.
It's just a fictional book dude stop getting so up in arms about it.
Dude, believe what you want, i just ask that people learn to respect the belief of others. It's not hard. Otherwise, don't cry if you're being matched in intensity in 10 cities.
To all my fellow QGLites who did meet me in person irrespective of my background and belief: much luv.
TBH its about time someone attacked Syria, the government there is happily shelling cities.
Russias formal military support (as in, attack us we attack back, not just funding the local warloards) makes it a much bigger deal than invading Iraq though, so i doubt that NATO or US will attack without their hands being forced.
Sorry mate I don't respect things that are used to oppress human rights.
800+ Police and Soldiers have been killed in Syria.
This isnt just students demonstrating, this is Militias trying to take over from the Government. They want to turn Syria into another another Islamic fundamentalist state.
Syria is totally fucked up and I'm with spook about the violence.
I saw a video on live leak of this protester being carried after his jaw was blown off. When they got him away from the action, everyone ran over time him and started shoving mobile phones in his face. The footage was of him basically opening his 'mouth' and sticking his tongue out that was attached to this throat right at the cameras.. looked like he was trying to say 'allah akbar' or something while everyone around him is screaming and crying.. but the most important thing to them was trying to get footage of his face and trying to make him talk.. it was fucking horrid.
took me about 2 weeks to return to watchin videos on liveleak.. don't touch any syrian videos though.
Sorry mate I don't respect things that are used to oppress human rights. I'd just be lying to you & myself if I said I respect your beliefs.
Fine. I guess all i'm saying is, if you disrespect someone's belief openingly then don't be surprised if you get a bit of flack coming back your way. Talking shit and being disrespectful and on top of that expecting the offended person to keep his mouth shut is a cop out (and i'm not saying you are). Takes 2 to tango, 2 hands to clap and any other idioms you can think of. You know what i'm not even sure those idioms apply to what i'm trying to say but whatevz.
Dude, believe what you want, i just ask that people learn to respect the belief of others. It's not hard. Otherwise, don't cry if you're being matched in intensity in 10 cities.
To all my fellow QGLites who did meet me in person irrespective of my background and belief: much luv.
Starting nnnnnnnnnow.
Asking someone to respect a oppresive, violent, medieval social and political ideology parading around as a "religion" is a hard thing to ask.
It's like asking someone to respect National Socialist beliefs.
Fine. I guess all i'm saying is, if you disrespect someone's belief openingly then don't be surprised if you get a bit of flack coming back your way. Talking shit and being disrespectful and on top of that expecting the offended person to keep his mouth shut is a cop out. Takes 2 to tango, 2 hands to clap and any other idioms you can think of. You know what i'm not even sure those idioms apply to what i'm trying to say but whatevz.
Fine. I guess all i'm saying is, if you disrespect someone's belief openingly then don't be surprised if you get a bit of flack coming back your way.
The muslim version of someone disrespecting islamic beliefs is a person stating facts about islam that do not put islam in a positive light.
And we all know what happens when someone tells an inconvenient truth about islam. Bye bye.
It would be like a catholic saying "OMG YOU ARE INSULTING MY RELIGION BLAH BLAH RACIST RACIST!" because people state the fact that pedofile abuse is rampant in the catholic church.
No one is telling you to shut your mouth.
Get over yourself.
Exactly.
He is just trying to play the victim card.
Infact im incouraging him to keep talking, because i can debunk all his little games his lot play.
Debunk? haha yeah, clearly. If anything it's your kind that resorts to baseless attacks based on on a few fake and completely misinformed sites driven by hate. Inconvenient truth my ass. You're just an ignorant arrogant and shit scared islamaphobe that doesn't really deserve my time so all you're going to get instead are comments like this one. Read and debunk that shit til your heart's content ya fucking Munyak.
Debunk? haha yeah, clearly. If anything it's your kind that resorts to baseless attacks based on on a few fake and completely misinformed sites driven by hate. Inconvenient truth my ass. You're just an ignorant arrogant and shit scared islamaphobe that doesn't really deserve my time so all you're going to get instead are comments like this one. Read and debunk that shit til your heart's content ya fucking Munyak.
"baseless attacks"
lol please.
You're just an ignorant arrogant and shit scared islamaphobe that doesn't really deserve my time so all you're going to get instead are comments like this one. Read and debunk that shit til your heart's content ya fucking Munyak.
Only just 20 minutes ago you were saying everyone was telling you to "shut your mouth"
The shutting your mouth thing was in reference to spoon's comment about "stop getting so up in arms about it". My response to that was if you're going to get up in arms then so will I, so don't expect me to say nothing. Get over it, mate.
Something tells me you're a bitter crusty old carcass but with a name like "Bonetron69" i'm not so sure any more.
Ignorance (or witlessness) is a state of being uninformed (lack of knowledge)
Arrogance making claims or pretensions to superior importance or rights; overbearingly assuming; insolently proud: an arrogant public official.
Both describe your position quite well fixah.
shit scared islamaphobe
Bitch please no one is scared of Islam.
I mean I like the star wars movies but I don't get shitty and cry like a girl if someone points out plotholes in the story. That's why I'm saying stop taking it so seriously man, skywalker had a pretty badass speeder bike and I enjoyed the idea of it and I also enjoy the idea that mohammed had an x-wing horse which he ued to fly to space with. I like the idea that Mohammed is training with yoda right now. I love a good story.
I don't like when people roleplay star wars and pretend it's real though.
You see where I'm going with this? I don't really but take it ez bro.
I've read the Quran and understood much more than you ever will in 10 life times.
I've read 'A cat in a hat' more times than you, the difference is I am under no illusions that some fictional book has any relevance to anything at all.
It might explain certain behaviors because people chose to live their lives a certain way, believing it is true, but that doesn't make it any less fictional.
I never took you for someone who was really stupid, we have polar opposite views on certain things and we rarely see eye to eye, but I've gotta admit I just can't take you (or anyone else for that matter) seriously if you genuinely believe in religion/god/etc.
like not even internets joking around on here, I just can't imagine anyone with the ability to process rational thoughts can look at the evidence for/against religion and genuinely believe it has any factual basis.
Also, The world and certainly the middle east at the very least, would be a much better place without people acting in the name of their personal interpretation of religious texts.
People scream "OMG ISLAMAPHOBIA" because it's a fear word and they think it will stop people from speaking out. They think it will make the other person think "oh well i don't want to be called that name, i'll stop speaking"
never works.
As for religion in general, it's stupid but if it's harmless then ok, it is tolerated but if a religino is teaching violence and hate and millions of the adherents are acting it out, it must be stopped.
millions of the adherents are acting it out, it must be stopped
Millions of adherents eh.. and i guess i happen to be one of those millions because I'm a follower? if i'm going to be accused of violence i might as well be accused of wife beating, slavery and pimping!
I also have millions of pubic hairs on my left butt cheek but I don't classify them all as thick, curly and black.
Millions of adherents eh.. and i guess i happen to be one of those millions because I'm a follower? if i'm going to be accused of violence i might as well be accused of wife beating, slavery and pimping! I also have millions of pubic hairs on my left butt cheek but I don't classify them all as thick, curly and black.
He never said that you were one of those people and he never accused you of violence etc.
Hey Bonertron69, not taking a side here cos frankly I cbf reading the whole thread but if you want to be taken seriously you might want to cite your source instead of passing off stuff you cut and paste from another website as your own thoughts.
You wrote:
As for the other things you wrote, just from reading the first line i instantly knew you were a muslim apologist. You see, muslims and muslim apologists have a set list of games/tricks they play with people who confront them with the truth. Heres one of the games you played.
Translating Quran from Arabic (from over 1400 years ago) to English is difficult and not one to be taken lightly nor is it for the average translators to decide what is meant by the words of God
The Muslim Game: The Qur’an can only be fully understood in Arabic. One cannot criticize Islam without knowing Arabic. The Truth: Although Muslims often tell critics of Islam to "read the Qur'an," they are usually unprepared for what happens when their advice is heeded. An honest translation of Islam's holiest book generally reinforces negative opinion. The fallback is to then claim that the Qur'an can only be understood in Arabic.
You put the links in an earlier post but didn't make it clear that this wasn't your own work. The way you merge you comments and the body of text shows it's deliberate. I call that plagarism. And it's a known fact that all plagarists burn in the fiery pit of Hades while being poked with pointy sticks by Hitler and Ghandi.
PS War sucks and religion is the reason we are close to self destruction.
Get over it and lets build some space ships to get off this damn planet.
He never said that you were one of those people and he never accused you of violence etc.
I'm aware and that's why i used words such as I guess, if, happen to be in my response. Plus your millions of adherents figure is something you've pulled out of your ass, hence my analogy of the pubic hairs of my left butt cheek. It's brilliant, I know.
You put the links in an earlier post but didn't make it clear that this wasn't your own work. The way you merge you comments and the body of text shows it's deliberate. I call that plagarism. And it's a known fact that all plagarists burn in the fiery pit of Hades while being poked with pointy sticks by Hitler and Ghandi.
I thought I mentioned it several times that he was citing these baseless hate mongering sites all along. Just the typical anti-islamic bullshit you hear being circulated as "fact" among anti-muslim circle jerks and other low life 69ners.
ITT fixah cries about facts while believing in Mohammad and his Space Horse. derppppp
Yep, eventually that's what it comes down to doesn't it. Just typical.
Oh and IncrEdible_vEgetable, i see what you're saying in regards to his blatant plagiarism, check this word for word shit out:
Bonertron69:
The Muslim Game:
The Qur’an can only be fully understood in Arabic. One cannot criticize Islam without knowing Arabic.
The Truth:
Although Muslims often tell critics of Islam to "read the Qur'an," they are usually unprepared for what happens when their advice is heeded. An honest translation of Islam's holiest book generally reinforces negative opinion. The fallback is to then claim that the Qur'an can only be understood in Arabic.
Of all the efforts to artificially insulate Islam from intellectual critique, this is probably the most transparent. Unfortunately, for those Muslims craving reassurance from the more embarrassing passages of the Qur’an and Sunnah, this cheap tactic of arbitrarily dismissing anything they disagree with still comes at a heavy price, since Islam cannot be protected in this way without sacrificing its claim to being a universal religion.
In the first place, it is fundamentally impossible for anyone to learn a language that cannot be translated into the only one they do know, which means the apologists who insist that “one must learn Arabic” in order to understand the Qur’an are committing a logical fallacy. Either the Arabic of the Qur’an is translatable (in which case there is no need to learn Arabic) or it is not (in which case it can never be learned by the non-native speaker).
Enter the skeptic. While every language has its nuances, how is that Arabic is the only one with words and phrases that are literally untranslatable? More importantly, why in the world would Allah choose to communicate his one true religion for all people in the only language that cannot be understood by all people? Even the vast majority of Muslims and their imams do not speak Arabic.
Even more suspicious is that this amazing linguistic “discovery” was only recently made – and that it corresponds quite remarkably with the contemporary rejection of Islamic practices that were considered acceptable up until the religion’s recent collision with Western liberalism. In fact, the argument that hidden and alternate meanings exist to unflattering Qur’anic passages (justifying slavery, the inferior status of women, sexual gluttony, holy warfare, wife-beating, and religious discrimination) corresponds quite precisely with the level of embarrassment that modern scholars have about the presence of such verses in the Qur’an!
Although Muslims often tell critics of Islam to "read the Qur'an," they are usually unprepared for what happens when their advice is heeded. An honest translation of Islam's holiest book generally reinforces negative opinion. The fallback is to then claim that the Qur'an can only be understood in Arabic.
Of all the efforts to artificially insulate Islam from intellectual critique, this is probably the most transparent. Unfortunately, for those Muslims craving reassurance from the more embarrassing passages of the Qur’an and Sunnah, this cheap tactic of arbitrarily dismissing anything they disagree with still comes at a heavy price, since Islam cannot be protected in this way without sacrificing its claim to being a universal religion.
In the first place, it is fundamentally impossible for anyone to learn a language that cannot be translated into the only one they do know, which means the apologists who insist that “one must learn Arabic” in order to understand the Qur’an are committing a logical fallacy. Either the Arabic of the Qur’an is translatable (in which case there is no need to learn Arabic) or it is not (in which case it can never be learned by the non-native speaker).
Enter the skeptic. While every language has its nuances, how is that Arabic is the only one with words and phrases that are literally untranslatable? More importantly, why in the world would Allah choose to communicate his one true religion for all people in the only language that cannot be understood by all people? Even the vast majority of Muslims and their imams do not speak Arabic.
Even more suspicious is that this amazing linguistic “discovery” was only recently made – and that it corresponds quite remarkably with the contemporary rejection of Islamic practices that were considered acceptable up until the religion’s recent collision with Western liberalism. In fact, the argument that hidden and alternate meanings exist to unflattering Qur’anic passages (justifying slavery, the inferior status of women, sexual gluttony, holy warfare, wife-beating, and religious discrimination) corresponds quite precisely with the level of embarrassment that modern scholars have about the presence of such verses in the Qur’an!
Why would i write something out myself when a website has what i want to say written up nicely and extremely coherently and openly INVITES people to use the TRUE information they have compiled on their website.
I never once claimed that the writing is MINE and the sites invites people to use thier compiles of the information they have gathered from various sources, so no plagarourism at all.
Fixah thinks he can dismiss the information on the webiste as "false" because it is a website dedicated to exposing islam. No matter what website you go to, it will give out the same information BECAUSE IT IS TRUE.
The only good religion is no religion, you get extremists in all religions but generally musilms are a little nuttier since they are poor and uneducated.
The least you could do is link to the specific page rather than pass it off as your own in a feeble attempt to make yourself sound like you're knowledgeable and coherent. Not doing so makes you just the opposite, i.e. you don't know shit and you won't make sense even if you tried.
I never once claimed that the writing is MINE.
Wasn't it you who said this?
Infact im incouraging him to keep talking, because i can debunk all his little games his lot play
No YOU can't debunk shit. You're using someone else's material and claiming you're good at debunking when in reality you failed to cite that site as your source. It's also convenient that you listed 2 dozen links in your initial post but decided to omit the one that you're blatantly copying and pasting as your own.
Meanwhile spoon is butt hurt that his anti-muslim friend is making him look like a drop kick too, haha. Good show lads. You two should star in a reality tv show based on tag team wrestling. The twist is when one tag teams the other he knocks him out instead. In this instance Boner69ner4men is knocking spoon lawl.
Bonertron, that's sort of like how people recite passages from Koran.
Yes exactly.
OMG THATS PLAGERISM TOO IF YOU REPEAT IT!
. You're using someone else's material and claiming you're good at debunking when in reality you failed to cite that site as your source.
The "material" i am using IS fact and is compiled by this website. I am using it to nice and cleanly debunk your little muslim games that you have been playing. It is what the site is for.
So when a muslim is playing one of there typical tricks on you, you can easily go to the site, click on which game they are playing and have an instant answer that is NICELY compiled for you to post and the information is FACT, or i wouldn't be posting the information.
And no, i'm not just taking the sites word that the information is "fact" the information im posting is already widely known by me and everyone else. The site has just compiled it good in easy accesible sections.
It would be like going to a website which has compiled verses from the koran into easily accessible sections.
Meanwhile spoon is butt hurt that his anti-muslim friend is making him look like a drop kick too, haha. Good show lads. You two should star in a reality tv show based on tag team wrestling, the twist is when one tag teams the other he knocks him out. In this instance is Boner69ner4men knocking spoon.
Yep, eventually that's what it comes down to doesn't it. Just typical.
I honestly don't give a shit what the man has to say, I've had reasonable debates with you before about Quranic verses but tonight I felt like I wanted to troll a little and so troll I did.
Yeah thanks for spilling out the beans AFTER you got caught out. Otherwise you would have kept rolling with it and watching your e-debunking meter out grow your e-penis meter, haha.
p.s. While im here, be on the look out for your Combo Meter when the Combo Gaming site goes up! cuming soon! in your face!
Nope. I will continue to post the information from the site because as i explained, the writing is exactly what i want to say but the site has compiled it nicely and included all the facts in easily accessible sections. It's the whole purpose of the website.
Your argument that the information i have posted is not true and false because i have got it from a webiste and not written it myself is invalid and will always be invalid.
Not sure why you continue with your invalid argument. Not working buddy, just like the muslim games you try to play. You lose matey. Better luck next time.
I'm not saying your argument is invalid because you're using someone else's info (even though i disagree with what you're he is saying) What I am saying is that you were trying to sound like someone else because you yourself lack the knowledge and the ability to sound coherent. You get it now? Oh and you also sound like you have comprehension limitations as well, but who am I to criticise you, after all i'm just a kid who hasn't read the Quran and hasn't done any research. At least you realised later you were fucking with the wrong muslim. You should have just met me in person bro, maybe we could have achieved something. I guess you're usless without your handy debunking sites. Maybe Pinky can make you an app for that so you can debunk muzlimz on the fly LOL
Cant we just leave the thread as the OP intended for once, instead of this typical bullshit that seems to pop up from a couple of fuckwits here, just because the words, Middle East and Mulims are mentioned.....
All the Muslim people I know are well adjusted, productive individuals. Most are married to 1 partner, the others are single. None of them would condone slavery, wife beating, raping and all that rot no matter what their holy book supposedly says. The Bible speaks of stuff like that too, but you don't see the majority of Christians doing that.
So when a muslim is playing one of there typical tricks on you, you can easily go to the site, click on which game they are playing and have an instant answer that is NICELY compiled for you to post and the information is FACT, or i wouldn't be posting the information. And no, i'm not just taking the sites word that the information is "fact" the information im posting is already widely known by me and everyone else. The site has just compiled it good in easy accesible sections.
Sorry one last point on your "facts" - unless the website is peer reviewed and part of a respected academic study/document citing references and so on, you can pretty much wipe your arse with the "facts".
People who use Google, Wikipedia or some website that has been compiled by Joe Bloggs from Bumfuckville immediately and irrevocably fail at research and proving or providing "facts" in any sort of argument.
Particularly when the Joe Bloggs website in question is a thinly veiled Muslim hate site - See for yourself
I am not a Muslim but it does bother me that there is misinformed hate mongers like you who dance about calling on people to join them in them little hate cult without looking at both sides of the story. The way you say "typical [Muslim] tricks" reminds me of those old WWII announcements warning to "look out for Johnny Turk".
Just moronic 'us and them' bullshit in my opinion. If you aren't part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
Hmmm strange. All the Muslim people I know are well adjusted, productive individuals. Most are married to 1 partner, the others are single. None of them would condone slavery, wife beating, raping and all that rot no matter what their holy book supposedly says. The Bible speaks of stuff like that too, but you don't see the majority of Christians doing that.
Hmm strange.
No one said that ALL muslims subscribe to this sort of behavior. Thanks for your well thought out post and anecdotal evidence.
Spoon if i recall correctly you did say you'd blame both tool and the user when it comes to the lack of respect for one's belief. It's a bit of a fat brush if you ask me. At least you get some credit for attempting to base some of your posts on some facts. Unlike others WHO SHALL REMAIN SHAMELESS like fucking bonerMeSideways, who has been my night's entertainment during this shitty weather.
To the rest: i apologise for my antics in this thread but make no apology to those that instigated this bullshit. So i'm fo seriously out of this thread. Good luck and good night.
Yes I did say that and I stand by that I just can't make a rational post right now explaining why that statement holds true because my mind is full of fuck and valium. Ask me some other time because I can't get the words the way I want them.
Hang on, why do normal people worship a god who supposedly supports the murder of innocent people who decide being a muslim isnt for them?
Isnt there sometrhing that says a muslim who wishes to leave the religion has to be tortured or killed or something?
Its fucked up stuff like this that makes me object heavily to the existence of religion, and its tax free perks as well, for absolutely no greater good of society or the community, except for its own followers interests.
Saudi Arabia have been one of the most vocal critics of Syria so I wonder how Saudi Arabia is dealing with dissent at home ...
The last nine months has seen a new wave of repression in Saudi Arabia as the authorities have cracked down on protesters and reformists, Amnesty International said today as it published a new report on the issue.
In Saudi Arabia: Repression in the Name of Security, the organisation says hundreds of people have been arrested for demonstrating, while the government has drafted an anti-terror law that would effectively criminalise dissent as a "terrorist crime” and further strip away rights from those accused of such offences.
Amnesty said that since February, when sporadic demonstrations began - in defiance of a permanent national ban on protests - the government has carried out a crackdown that has included the arrest of hundreds of mostly Shi’a Muslims in the restive Eastern Province. Since March over 300 people who took part in peaceful protests in al-Qatif, al-Ahsa and Awwamiya have been detained, either at demonstrations or shortly afterwards. Most have been released, often after pledging not to protest again. Many face travel bans.
Elsewhere in the country, protests have been stifled by warnings from the Interior Ministry that the authorities would “take all necessary measures” against those who tried to “disrupt order”. Those individuals who have demonstrated have been swiftly arrested.
Suadi Arabia has also been sending troops to Bahrain and Yemen and some other Persian Gulf countries to "Fight Islamic Extremists" yeah right,they are called freedom fighters in Syria.
The Mainstream Media are telling you Syria is a bad place that persecutes its ppl whilst exactly the same thing is going on in other Arab Countries.
And Hitler was publicly a Christian, doesn't mean anything.
what?
He conferred with the churches because he feared their political power, I'm pretty sure he was never a Christian...
He got mad @ the catholic church because they didn't like his treatment of the jews... even though they had done the same thing for the previous 1500 years....
start of the document he signed in 1943:
Immediate and unconditional abolition of all religions after the final victory ('Endsieg') not only for the territory of Greater Germany but also for all released, occupied and annexed countries ..., proclaiming at the same time Hitler as the new messiah. Out of political considerations the Muslim, Buddhist and Shintoist religion will be spared for the present. The 'Führer' has to be presented as an intermediate between a redeemer and a liberator, yet surely as one sent by God, who has to get godly honour. The existing churches, chapels, temples and cult places of the different religions have to be changed into 'Adolf-Hitler-consecration places'.
I really liked the part where Fixah got cut because someone used texts from a webpage to critisise the text in his fave book
Then the follow up where he made it out like his argument was meaningless because he was reading it from somewhere, rather than coming up with it himself
Fixah is either a complete hypocrite or he wrote the Qu'ran
Immediate and unconditional abolition of all religions after the final victory ('Endsieg') not only for the territory of Greater Germany but also for all released, occupied and annexed countries ..., proclaiming at the same time Hitler as the new messiah. Out of political considerations the Muslim, Buddhist and Shintoist religion will be spared for the present. The 'Führer' has to be presented as an intermediate between a redeemer and a liberator, yet surely as one sent by God, who has to get godly honour. The existing churches, chapels, temples and cult places of the different religions have to be changed into 'Adolf-Hitler-consecration places'.
it's good forum etiquette to provide a link to your source when directly quoting something.
you should also have made it clear that this comes from a a photograph published in 1985 from an austrian author who claims it shows a document that hitler signed in 1943. there appears to be ambiguity about the authenticity of the photograph.
China 'hiding up to 3,000 nuclear warheads in secret tunnels'
An unconventional project by US university students has concluded that China's nuclear arsenal could be many times larger than current estimates, drawing the attention of Pentagon analysts.
The Washington Post reported on Tuesday that Georgetown University students under the instruction of a former Pentagon official have assembled the largest body of public knowledge yet about a vast network of secret tunnels dug by China's secretive Second Artillery Corps, responsible for nuclear warheads.
The 363-page study has not yet been published, but has already sparked a congressional hearing and been circulated among top US defence officials, including the Air Force vice chief of staff, the Post reported.
The students' professor, Phillip Karber, 65, spent the Cold War as a top strategist reporting directly to the secretary of defence and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Post said.
Karber said that – based on the study of the tunnels – China could have up to 3,000 nuclear warheads, far higher than the current estimates, which range from 80 to 400, according to the Post.
The Post also said the students were able to obtain a 400-page manual produced by the Second Artillery and usually only available to Chinese military personnel.
not really that surprising.. but there you have it
I dont wish to become imbroiled in this muslim vs jew (vs christian) "war" going on in this thread, except to say that Fixah has always seemed to me to be rather moderate in his views and extremely patient in his replies to the various persons who have provided comment on Islam etc in this forum.
Given that the extent of my "real life" interraction with members of the muslim community is restricted to Fixah and the neighbours of my parents, it is nice to have a more moderate reference point to the media portrayed images of "muslim extremists", thanks Fixah.
I also agree with Fixah that it is hard to achieve context on religious texts in some instances but I also find myself agreeing with portions of the cut/paste from Bone/Moist where they noted the logical fallacy involving the translation of texts etc.
Iranian media is reporting that its forces have brought down an unmanned US spy plane.
"Iran's military has downed an intruding RQ-170 American drone in eastern Iran," Iran's Arabic-language Al Alam state television network quoted an unnamed source as saying on Sunday.
The state news agency IRNA and the the semiofficial Fars news agency reported that the plane is now in the possession of Iran's armed forces. The Fars news agency is close to the powerful Revolutionary Guard.
Fars reported that the drone had been brought down through a combined effort by Iran's armed forces, air defence forces and its electronic warfare unit after the plane briefly violated the country's airspace at its eastern border.
The drone "was downed with slight damage. It is now under the control of our forces," Fars reported, quoting an unnamed military source.
Iran's response to the downed US drone's violation of its airspace will not be limited to the country's borders, a military source told state television.
"The Iranian military's response to the American spy drone's violation of our airspace will not be limited to Iran's borders any more," Iran's Arabic language Al Alam television quoted the military source as saying, without giving details. (Reuters)
Speaking of hilarious things in the middle east - am I the only one that finds it a little grimly amusing that Pakistan are bitching about us selling uranium to India? Pakistan, the country in which Osama bin Laden was hiding along with a billion other terrorists? Pakistan where their government doesn't seem to take any of that shit seriously at all?
Pakistan is an islamic country and we have to sell it to them otherwise we are islamophobic, racist, nazis white surpremecists and all the other pollitically correct left wing words i can't think of right now.
An order from Gen Mohammed Ali Jaafari, the commander of the guards, raised the operational readiness status of the country’s forces, initiating preparations for potential external strikes and covert attacks.
Western intelligence officials said the Islamic Republic had initiated plans to disperse long-range missiles, high explosives, artillery and guards units to key defensive positions.
The IAEA report said Iranian scientists had worked to develop a missile capable of carrying nuclear warheads. Security analysts described Iran’s missile advances as “a turning point” that had “profound strategic implications”.
Last week another mysterious explosion caused significant damage to Iran’s uranium conversion facility at Isfahan.
“It looks like the 21st century form of war,” said Patrick Clawson of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, a Washington think tank, told the Los Angeles Times. “It does appear that there is a campaign of assassinations and cyber war, as well as the semi-acknowledged campaign of sabotage.”
But with Iran showing no sign of backing down over its nuclear programme, there is growing concern that Israel will launch unilateral military action.
At the weekend, Benjamin Netanyahu, Israel’s prime minister, warned that he would take “the right decision at the right moment” if Iran continued with its uranium enrichment programme.
A senior Western intelligence official said: "There is deep concern within the senior leadership of the Iranian regime that they will be the target of a surprise military strike by either Israel or the US.
so... US and Israel are the aggressors because Iran won't submit? what can iran do to prevent the invasion or escalation of forces (or military strikes on facilities etc.)?
or is this another "hand over your WMD's" invasion?
But as it stands the Mossad are such bad asses that it looks like they may cripple Iran's entire nuclear infrastructure indefinitely without anything actually happening. All covert smoke and mirrors shit.
The decision to impose an EU oil embargo on Iran, agreed on Monday by European foreign ministers, sets a potential bomb ticking, timed to detonate on 1 July.
On that day, according to the package of measures on the table in Brussels, Europe will stop importing oil from Iran, about a fifth of the country's total exports. At about the same time, US sanctions targeted at the global financing of Iran's oil trade will also kick in. Iran could still export some of its oil to Asia, but at big discounts.
Unlike previous sanctions on Iran, the oil embargo would hit almost all citizens and represent a threat to the regime. Tehran has long said such actions would represent a declaration of war, and there are legal experts in the west who agree.
The strait of Hormuz is the kink in the hose of the Gulf's oil supply to the world. A small amount of pressure can have a disproportionate effect, sending world crude prices soaring and starving the world's oil-dependent economies.
BRUSSELS/TEHRAN — Iran has warned it could strike U.S. targets worldwide if Washington used force to break any Iranian blockade of a strategically vital shipping route.
The European Union banned imports of oil from Iran on Monday and imposed a number of other economic sanctions, joining the United States in a new round of measures aimed at deflecting Tehran’s nuclear development program.
In Iran, one politician responded by renewing a threat to blockade the Strait of Hormuz, an oil export route vital to the global economy, and another said Tehran should cut off crude shipments to the EU immediately.
A closed strait of Homus means no Tabouli for anyone.
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