Internet Industry now as large a part of the Australian economy as r...
Nerfington
Brisbane, Queensland
3750 posts
Pretty amazing if true. Makes the NBN seem even more worthwhile than I previously thought.
AUSTRALIA'S fast-growing internet industry now contributes almost as much to the nation's economy as the embattled retail sector, and its value is already as big as that of the nation's iron ore exports.
I guess that'd include groups like Ausgamers?
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What has the best job prospects in the industry atm? web dev?
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teq
Brisbane, Queensland
10987 posts
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Twisted
Brisbane, Queensland
11434 posts
 Makes the NBN seem even more worthwhile than I previously thought. Last time I checked, I didn't have any issues putting money into the Internet as it currently stands from my ADSL connection :)
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Nerfington
Brisbane, Queensland
3753 posts
Last time I checked, I didn't have any issues putting money into the Internet as it currently stands from my ADSL connection :)
But many do. ;) Besides, now there'll be even more ways! perhaps.
Anywhoo, mostly I just thought that it was a very interesting and Internet-denizen's-relevant news story, the NBN thing was just a minor side thought.
I thought about offering a serious reply but seeing how it's only you two in here, I'm just going to take a shit and leave
You truly are the hero that the Internet deserves. ^_^
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Scooter
Brisbane, Queensland
4748 posts
Besides, now there'll be even more ways! perhaps.
Umm... isn't the whole NBN based on the back of taking away most of those 'more ways' when it gets rolled out? Leaving us with less ways but for more people? As for NBN being a side thought... this is QGL, you knew it was going to quickly become the main issue in the thread.
I, for one, welcome our new Internet Industry overlords. Anything that creates more jobs / production is good in my mind.
How much was Australia's Internet Industry worth before the first Dot-Com burst? And is this $80bn figure based on the same things that Dot-Com figures were based on?
How many Billion dollars is Facebook worth these days, $50bn? It apparently had a 2bn revenue in 2010! o.O
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infi
Brisbane, Queensland
17514 posts
once they have that gbit wireless technology figured out in 5-10 years we will be wondering why we ran $50b in cable all over the place.
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m3nt4l
Brisbane, Queensland
1156 posts
Then five to ten years after that studies prove that the wireless signal turns people into zombies 28 days later style and we are all fucked? Or not, but I like what if's :P
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TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
7170 posts
What has the best job prospects in the industry atm? web dev?
I tried for 4 months to hire a .NET developer with a package of about $100k and couldn't. So job prospects are good if you're a good employee.
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natslovR
Sydney, New South Wales
7353 posts
Their definition of Internet Industry is far too broad.
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Dazhel
Gold Coast, Queensland
3722 posts
The majority of the .NET devs I've spoken to want to stay up here where it's warm Tic!
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Dan
Special Text
Brisbane, Queensland
12011 posts
Umm... isn't the whole NBN based on the back of taking away most of those 'more ways' when it gets rolled out? Leaving us with less ways but for more people? Man, don't give nerf yet another reason to go off on a ten page rant about how people misinterpret him.
I thought it was pretty obvious that he's talking about more potential for software innovation and entrepreneurship in Australia due to the soon to be available higher speeds and broader adoption of high-speed broadband here. Nothing to do with the variety of different physical ways that broadband can be delivered.
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trog
AGN Admin
Brisbane, Queensland
34137 posts
Does this take into account the ~$40b negative that the NBN would leave on the balance sheet?
/ducks
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Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
10303 posts
Does this take into account the ~$40b negative that the NBN would leave on the balance sheet?
/ducks
Well, Government says it will pay itself off well inside its lifespan.
A CBA would be nice though so that these arguments were more factual and less about the vibe of the thing.
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Dan
Special Text
Brisbane, Queensland
12012 posts
Bit of a silly troll question isn't it? Considering that the business model for the NBN has it's balance sheet net positive on its own back down the track.
Obviously there's still arguments worth having about whether or not the current NBN model is necessarily the best way to achieve the goal of ubiquitous high-speed broadband in Australia, but that's discussion for a different thread.
The point here is that the "Internet Industry" is supposedly now a significant earner for Australia so investing in our future in that industry seems very wise and increasing the proliferation of high-speed connections is a no brainer fundamental start to that imo.
When you look at big industries like manufacturing and support and how they're increasingly being outsourced to countries that can do it cheaper than us, it just makes a lot of sense to focus more on the things that we can do better than places with cheap labour, and technical innovation is at the forefront there imo.
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`ViPER`
Brisbane, Queensland
4017 posts
once they have that gbit wireless technology figured out in 5-10 years we will be wondering why we ran $50b in cable all over the place.
Ill eat my hat when Wireless technology is as good as fibre optic cable.
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trog
AGN Admin
Brisbane, Queensland
34139 posts
Bit of a silly troll question isn't it? Considering that the business model for the NBN has it's balance sheet net positive on its own back down the track. Is it? Considering that the entire stated premise for the NBN is "omg economiez" and here we are finding out that our digital economy is kicking ass all by its lonesome.
Also a business model without a cost benefit analysis that predicts it will make a return is not a business model, its wishing and hoping. The point here is that the "Internet Industry" is supposedly now a significant earner for Australia so investing in our future in that industry seems very wise and increasing the proliferation of high-speed connections is a no brainer fundamental start to that imo. yep, agree, but as always, I think the NBN is not the best investment that could be made, and so forth
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Dan
Special Text
Brisbane, Queensland
12013 posts
Is it? Considering that the entire stated premise for the NBN is "omg economiez" and here we are finding out that our digital economy is kicking ass all by its lonesome. So just because it's doing well, we should just leave it be and not actively work toward making it do even more well? Also a business model without a cost benefit analysis that predicts it will make a return is not a business model, its wishing and hoping. This "Wishing and hoping" is still based on many reasonable assumptions. Just because it hasn't been intensely analysed by a tailored report (which would mean even more expense) that doesn't outright disprove the concept, it just increases the investment risk.
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Farseeker
Brisbane, Queensland
1712 posts
Is the NBN going to help with our international data costs? surely the investment there makes a whole lot more sense. fibre to farmers != good investment
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fade
Brisbane, Queensland
6665 posts
Considering that the business model for the NBN has it's balance sheet net positive on its own back down the track.
What business model? This government has refused to release its evidence which, it says, supports the construction of the NBN
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natslovR
Sydney, New South Wales
7355 posts
The point here is that the "Internet Industry" is supposedly now a significant earner for Australia so investing in our future in that industry seems very wise and increasing the proliferation of high-speed connections is a no brainer fundamental start to that imo. If all it is doing is taking money away from B&M retail stores, and giving a bit of that to Australia Post then it's not achieving anything real
How much money is it creating, and i don't mean in the Kevin Rudd print and hand out cash kind of way, I mean in the way we dig up iron, turn it to steel and sell it overseas. Or grow rice and sell it to the Chinese. We've made something or done something with something else and exchanged it for money outside our economy.
Buying your groceries from Aussie Farmers Direct instead of your local Woolies doesn't justify billions spent on broadband infrastructure. It's not an "internet industry" as far as I'm concerned. It's just removing the phone call from a home delivery service.
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(which would mean even more expense)
hah, cmon.
it would but as a proportion of the total spend it would be peanuts.
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Dan
Special Text
Brisbane, Queensland
12014 posts
Wow, this thread is getting seriously off-topic. But I guess that was destined to happen as soon as the NBN word was dropped. If all it is doing is taking money away from B&M retail stores, and giving a bit of that to Australia Post then it's not achieving anything real Err, this is talking about the entire Internet industry, not just online retailers. This presumably includes all forms of web development and online tech innovation. If you want to figure out whether that's something that makes the country money, have a think about how many technology companies have an Australian presence.
it would but as a proportion of the total spend it would be peanuts. I never said I didn't agree that a CBA should be performed. But that's really discussion for an NBN thread. |
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
10304 posts
Buying your groceries from Aussie Farmers Direct instead of your local Woolies doesn't justify billions spent on broadband infrastructure. It's not an "internet industry" as far as I'm concerned. It's just removing the phone call from a home delivery service.
Bullshit! Online delivery of services is a distinct retail channel. Its reasonable to assume that it is a more efficient channel and thereby its usage and takeup delivers productivity gains?
How much money is it creating, and i don't mean in the Kevin Rudd print and hand out cash kind of way, I mean in the way we dig up iron, turn it to steel and sell it overseas. Or grow rice and sell it to the Chinese. We've made something or done something with something else and exchanged it for money outside our economy.
taggs is going to belt you about balance of trade if you keep that up. Economic growth != improvement of trade terms.
Is the NBN going to help with our international data costs? surely the investment there makes a whole lot more sense. fibre to farmers != good investment
"Fibre to farmers". What a load of bullshit, farmers that don't reside in a suburban area aren't getting fibre.
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I'd love a complete online listing of coles/woolworths stock, order it, their staff gather it for me, then i come pick it up at their dock, or with option for delivery.
Going through checkouts is so primitive nowadays~*!*! self checkout is the right thought but fuck i hate wandering around looking for specific items when i could just bang it into a search engine on a website
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oh hai, looks like we already got that... disregard haha
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Nerfington
Brisbane, Queensland
3755 posts
Wow, this thread is getting seriously off-topic. But I guess that was destined to happen as soon as the NBN word was dropped.
Yeah my bad, though without somebody able to comment on what the original information might mean (whether anything of value is actually being created, or what good/negatives might be worth considering), it was otherwise just a pat on the back for us netizens (with our frequent exporting of wealth to Valve and the like).
Though to make up for it >_>, a mod could always reduce my post limiter to less than 4 minutes, so that I can bring more fantastical threads of such natures. I promise to try to be baited less by people who make stuff up to then demean by that and people who want crusades to begin, despite it being incredibly fucking hard for a pedantic and anti-crusades fellow like me. :P
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Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
10305 posts
Though to make up for it >_>, a mod could always reduce my post limiter to less than 4 minutes, so that I can bring more fantastical threads of such natures. I promise to try to be baited less by people who make stuff up to then demean by that and people who want crusades to begin, despite it being incredibly fucking hard for a pedantic and anti-crusades fellow like me. :P
More free advice dude, this is not how one approaches the mods about their post limiter.
Q: I got banned/post limited, how do I fix it?
A: Read the rules. Carefully. Especially the bold bits.
http://www.ausgamers.com/forums/general/thread.php/1479971
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Farseeker
Brisbane, Queensland
1713 posts
It's a huge investment that is meant to boost our economy, especially our internet industry yes, but it isn't going to change a thing for me cost-wise launching a new web service in an Australian data centre. Am I wrong? Please say I'm wrong.
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Nerfington
Brisbane, Queensland
2474 posts
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FraktuRe
Gold Coast, Queensland
3412 posts
nearly everyone has a post limiter of some time.
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Mantorok
Brisbane, Queensland
6017 posts
once they have that gbit wireless technology figured out in 5-10 years we will be wondering why we ran $50b in cable all over the place. Nah, because over that same time period another bunch of boffins will have found a way to make 10Gbit over fibre available to everyone.
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Farseeker
Brisbane, Queensland
1714 posts
During the election, Labour was running advertising showing the globe with links between Australia and other countries. This isn't the case, correct? It's really just so we can peer stupidly fast? What a terrible investment.
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infi
Brisbane, Queensland
17515 posts
Nah, because over that same time period another bunch of boffins will have found a way to make 10Gbit over fibre available to everyone.
still, sticking up a few towers will kick the shit out of running fibre to every house in australia.
Also Trog, this whole thread should be locked. The original post is not even sourced, a report of some bullshit by Deloitte commissioned by google. Give me a fucken break. That's like the Treasury finding the school halls program was well executed - completely biased and invalid.
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Scooter
Brisbane, Queensland
4749 posts
I had some on-topic questions which were ignored :(
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Nerfington
Brisbane, Queensland
3760 posts
commissioned by google.
I noticed this, and shrugged it off, because google are awesome. :P
Was mostly just an interesting thing, pity that nobody is around who can provide much insight on this one, because I did wonder what it specifically meant in saying that the net industry rivals the iron export industry.
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kr0wb4r
Brisbane, Queensland
933 posts
nearly everyone has a post limiter of some time.
I don't... but with < 1000 posts in 10 years I don't need one :D
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simul
Brisbane, Queensland
1181 posts
once they have that gbit wireless technology figured out in 5-10 years we will be wondering why we ran $50b in cable all over the place.
Ill eat my hat when Wireless technology is as good as fibre optic cable.
I'll be off cruising in my rocket-ship or burning effigies of einstein...
Is the NBN going to help with our international data costs? surely the investment there makes a whole lot more sense. fibre to farmers != good investment
Farmers get wireless... fibre only goes to the locations where its feasible...
It's a huge investment that is meant to boost our economy, especially our internet industry yes, but it isn't going to change a thing for me cost-wise launching a new web service in an Australian data centre. Am I wrong? Please say I'm wrong.
Less bandwidth intensive sites/apps will eventually be fine to run directly off residential NBN (assuming static IPs or IPv6), which will then dramatically push down the cost of data centres in Australia - all predictive of course.
still, sticking up a few towers will kick the shit out of running fibre to every house in australia.
...they ain't running fibre to every house in Australia... a tower is more expensive than a cable (and the technology upgrade in a tower...is the tower - fibre its just the endpoints (or more fibre)).
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infi
Brisbane, Queensland
17518 posts
...they ain't running fibre to every house in Australia... a tower is more expensive than a cable (and the technology upgrade in a tower...is the tower - fibre its just the endpoints (or more fibre)).
wireless may never be as fast as fibre ever but if it can deliver 100mbit like LTE promises then surely that will suffice 99% of Australian users.
the cost of a tower as compared to rolling out fibre to all of the households that tower could service... that has got to be a no brainer. the fibre trunk is run only to each tower as compared to running it to every house in that neighbourhood.
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Murderer
Tasmania
1712 posts
Apparently within 4 years telstra will have a 60mbps wireless connection?
(cannot quite remember and i cbf going back to the text book i was handed at the tech bar training).
It won't be as fast as NBN but it will be faster than whats available now.
AFAIK, the Telstra Ultimate device within Capital Cities (CBD) goes off its face!
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simul
Brisbane, Queensland
1182 posts
wireless may never be as fast as fibre ever but if it can deliver 100mbit like LTE promises then surely that will suffice 99% of Australian users.
the cost of a tower as compared to rolling out fibre to all of the households that tower could service... that has got to be a no brainer. the fibre trunk is run only to each tower as compared to running it to every house in that neighbourhood.
LTE/Wimax 4G(ish) technologies are already implemented and in use in other countries, and the general consensus is they are, and still feel like wireless connections.
56kbps modems suffice'd 99% of Australian users 10 years ago. Its just moore's law in a different form. No matter what the technology, it needs to be upgraded again, and again, and again. The reason DSL is such an awesome technology over time is because you just replace the endpoints - not the stuff in the middle (which is ~50 years old). Fibre's going to cost more initially, but after that its as sticky as DSL, will be fine for the next 50 years, while wireless will change its entire infrastructure at least 10 times in that timeframe. PS I'm just giving numbers for the sake of comparison.
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NBN is going to be real useful when the solar flares come for us ;)
/troll
Wish i was in Aus to take advantage of this l33t fibre
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simul
Brisbane, Queensland
1183 posts
Apparently within 4 years telstra will have a 60mbps wireless connection?
meh
A 26 terabit per second fibre optic data transmission speed test which smashed the previous 10 terabit broadband speed record set back in 2010 essentially proves the decision was right to use fibre optic cable over other competing technologies for Australia’s national broadband network construction.
Scientists at Germany’s Karlsruhe Institute of Technology have finally given the Gillard Government and NBN Co chief Mike Quigley something to smile about when they set a new data transmission speed record that could effectively send the equivalent of 200,000 high res images, 400 million phone calls or 700 DVDs across 50km in one second.
http://broadbandguide.com.au/blogs/2011/05/26tbps-record-speed-proves-nbn-fibre-longevity/
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