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Motorcycle safety thread v2
joerocket10r
Brisbane, Queensland
67 posts
watch out their are muppets everywhere.
was on my way home from a ride to mt glorious via nebo and this f*****g retard pulls out, lucky the car in front had no one in the lane next to them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iV8d34QH_w
09:21pm 10/02/13 Permalink
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09:21pm 10/02/13 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
16632 posts
09:23pm 10/02/13 Permalink
Vash
3672 posts
This is part of the reason why i try to avoid riding on the road. fun to be had in the bush
09:25pm 10/02/13 Permalink
Whoop
Brisbane, Queensland
21348 posts
That's when you give their mirror the fist treatment. Also your mate is an idiot too (or maybe its you) for going down the middle of the cars stopped at the traffic lights. You did essentially the same thing to that black 4wd behind the silver ford / toyota / nissan / whatever the hell it is.
09:27pm 10/02/13 Permalink
Vash
3673 posts
There's absolutely nothing wrong with riding between cars that are stopped, at traffic lights. this is normal practice in many countries world wide, and is currently legal in Sydney, undergoing trial.
09:31pm 10/02/13 Permalink
Dodgymon
Brisbane, Queensland
2267 posts
Except for the fact is is illegal and you can be fined for it.
I had a mate get fined for it recently.
09:36pm 10/02/13 Permalink
Vash
3674 posts
Meh, legalities don't necessarily mean safety. I've been lane-splitting / filtering for 8 years as its been illegal, never been fined, nor had an accident.
Otherwise, theres no real point to commuting on a motorcycle, unless its a small scooter for cost savings.
09:42pm 10/02/13 Permalink
scuzzy
Brisbane, Queensland
15594 posts
Watching countless scooters filter to the front of traffic in Taiwan was nothing short of fantastic.
09:44pm 10/02/13 Permalink
Grimy
Brisbane, Queensland
452 posts
I like the part of the movie where you were clearly already riding like a d*** and your way of showing that Rav4 was to pass him still in the right lane and doing a maverick (flyby).

"There's absolutely nothing wrong with riding between cars that are stopped, at traffic lights." - You passed the green Toyota while braking for the lights (not stopped), again in the same lane.

Sorry dude, you're just another bike rider who rides to their opinion of the rules....Mate completed his qride a few months back and current law is under no circumstances are you to lane split (middle or sides), stopped/braking/accelerating.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and if you went back 30 minutes on the video, your trip through Nebo will be like the majority of people who go to the Nebo hillclimb.
09:48pm 10/02/13 Permalink
FaceMan
Brisbane, Queensland
9884 posts
Lift the camera up higher next time.

I hope you have 100% medical cover so my taxes arent paying for your death wish.
09:50pm 10/02/13 Permalink
joerocket10r
Brisbane, Queensland
68 posts
lane splitting may be illegal now but give it time for the authority's to come to their senses here in aus like Vash said it is been trailed in sydney; with positive results. i will always lane split legal or not as it is most of the time safer out front away from teh tin cans.
i have been lane splitting a couple of times and saw a cop up ahead so stop. both times they waved me trough to the front even they know its safer for bikes up front, sometimes you just get unlucky and a cop needs to fill his/her quota or they just don't like the look of you.
i really hope they pass the law nation wide.
09:56pm 10/02/13 Permalink
shad
Brisbane, Queensland
3879 posts
Knew this would turn into a lane splitting thread after getting 2 seconds into the video.
09:57pm 10/02/13 Permalink
hardware
Brisbane, Queensland
10464 posts
I like motorbikes

it's too bad 90% of motorcyclists give the rest a bad name
09:58pm 10/02/13 Permalink
joerocket10r
Brisbane, Queensland
69 posts
also for those people having a cry this vid was not about lane splitting it was about the muppet pulling out infront of the car ahead.
i will upload the rest of the vid later grimy so you can eat some pie.
10:01pm 10/02/13 Permalink
scuzzy
Brisbane, Queensland
15595 posts
it's too bad 90% of motorcyclists give the rest a bad name
Clever
10:06pm 10/02/13 Permalink
Twisted
Brisbane, Queensland
11821 posts
Looks like the guy on the bike is a bigger c**t than the guy in the car. Just goes to show, they're everywhere...oh wait...
10:07pm 10/02/13 Permalink
Grimy
Brisbane, Queensland
453 posts
FYI if something does happen like a car doesn't see you and runs over your face/leg, given the whole lack of law thing, you will be automatically at fault and a high chance an insurance issue for you. Certainly can't sue the other car.

I like pie, it's just 90% of riders who go the Nebo stretch with a dash cam are not filming a relaxing speed limit ride.
10:08pm 10/02/13 Permalink
Superform
Netherlands
7679 posts
as a tip... dont ride directly behind cars like that.. always ride in there side mirror...if that car decided to lock up rather then swerve.. you would have been f***ed..
10:15pm 10/02/13 Permalink
Mephz
Brisbane, Queensland
1308 posts
I lane split but my general rule is:
No car must be moving that I will be passing.
No bus/truck/medium sized vehicle in either lane I'll be splitting past.
Wide gap.
Only if I saw the light go red and know I can get to the front.

Splitting safely is probably about as dangerous as walking down a footpath in the middle of the afternoon.
10:22pm 10/02/13 Permalink
Mephz
Brisbane, Queensland
1309 posts
For what it's worth, I'd be more concerned sitting in a set of lights within the traffic and someone running up my ass than splitting stationary cars.

Another reason I sit far to one side of any lane if I am stopped in traffic - if I do get ran into hopefully not sandwiched.

I don't ride that often anyway. In the last 2ish years my bike has done ~1500 k's .
10:24pm 10/02/13 Permalink
Trauma
Melbourne, Victoria
3091 posts
Your bike sounds sexual.
10:34pm 10/02/13 Permalink
Obes
Brisbane, Queensland
9934 posts
Sorry but the motor cyclist lane split.... Don't.
10:36pm 10/02/13 Permalink
deadlyf
Queensland
2951 posts
Guy was clearly speeding at the end, uploading video now to police.
10:47pm 10/02/13 Permalink
Space Ninja
Sydney, New South Wales
3624 posts
I haven't ridden since I got cleaned up on NYE 2011 by a douche who 'didn't see me' - there's nothing wrong with lane splitting when cars are stopped, stop being idiots.
10:47pm 10/02/13 Permalink
joerocket10r
Brisbane, Queensland
70 posts
safe riding to the normal people who replied to this thread.
and the rest grab some kleenex. so i guess im a 10% c**t
ps im never posting another bike vid on here...i can't handle all the QQ
11:11pm 10/02/13 Permalink
mental
Brisbane, Queensland
3801 posts
I don't mind when they lane split when everyone is stopped. Doesn't happen often but I don't like it when they then proceed to take off very slowly. Had one try to merge into the side of me because he assumed he was miles infront.
11:18pm 10/02/13 Permalink
evıs
Brisbane, Queensland
6615 posts
Well done everybody.
11:21pm 10/02/13 Permalink
Trauma
Melbourne, Victoria
3093 posts
lol joe, sif make it private, f*** the whiners.
11:38pm 10/02/13 Permalink
JakeG
Thailand
1161 posts
I'm dead set on getting a motorbike for daily commuting when I get back this year. Getting fined for lane splitting stationary cars = lame.

When someone in a car sees a motorcyclist lane splitting stationary cars they should feel:

"He is saving me time by improving traffic"

Not

"I'm queuing here in traffic and this prick is skipping to the front"

PS. Could have go pro footage of me riding roads on Samui soon.

http://i.imgur.com/ClNBcWa.jpg
12:12am 11/02/13 Permalink
Dodgymon
Brisbane, Queensland
2268 posts
Personally I don't have a problem with it. I didn't even know it was illegal until I was told recently.
getting back to the OP I find weekends to be packed with crazy drivers.
I drive all week see no crazy drivers then come the weekend I can't go anywhere without encountering someone having a brain fart.
12:25am 11/02/13 Permalink
Dodgymon
Brisbane, Queensland
2269 posts
Guy was clearly speeding at the end, uploading video now to police.


Police can't press charges until it reaches at least 100k views
12:28am 11/02/13 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
6361 posts
also for those people having a cry this vid was not about lane splitting it was about the muppet pulling out infront of the car ahead
Yes, but on the other side of the coin is the bunch of cars who are uploading the video of you "Yet another lane splitting jackass".

No matter what you think a topic is, this is a forum, so you can't tell people just to sit and nod agreeance with you. Devil's advocate is usually post number 2. And thank god.
12:39am 11/02/13 Permalink
bepatient
Melbourne, Victoria
1153 posts
Private video :(
02:02am 11/02/13 Permalink
demon
Brisbane, Queensland
7081 posts
nice evasion work by the guy in the ford
09:42am 11/02/13 Permalink
glynd
Melbourne, Victoria
903 posts
Lane splitting while car in front still moving, overtaking a car using a single lane and then speeding. That just seems incredibly dangerous to me.
10:13am 11/02/13 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
35144 posts
i would like to complain about other people doing illegal things, while im doing illegal things, and then im outraged when people point this out to me and i think the law should be changed to allow me to continue to do illegal things.
10:17am 11/02/13 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
16633 posts
When someone in a car sees a motorcyclist lane splitting stationary cars they should feel:

"He is saving me time by improving traffic"


i see just as many mopeds as motorcycles nowadays and because they're slow pieces of s*** they slow everyone down when they lane split to the front.
12:05pm 11/02/13 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
6366 posts
When someone in a car sees a motorcyclist lane splitting stationary cars they should feel:
Sure. I'll agree there. I honestly have no ill intention on a motorcycle who ends up reducing congestion given it's perfectly safe and adds no 'cost' to me in anxiety or worry about having to brake if he starts to do it during moving traffic or when up ahead someone tries to kill him and i've got to do some kind of reactive shenanigan to give space or brake hard when s*** goes wrong.

It's happened before, and it will happen again, as everyone feels their roadrules are better than the real ones.
02:24pm 11/02/13 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
22225 posts
I was thinking of riding motorcycles but it looked a little dangerous. Instead I chose something slightly safer, so I now ride a hungry lion to work everyday.
02:27pm 11/02/13 Permalink
mission
Brisbane, Queensland
8769 posts
^ I suggest feeding him. This will cool his temper and make your journey even safer.
02:34pm 11/02/13 Permalink
qmass
Queensland
10512 posts
only idiots ride bikes to commute. even in a car, every other driver is out to kill you - the risk goes up exponentially on a bike.
02:55pm 11/02/13 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
35145 posts
my mum says im not allowed to ride a motor bike.
03:01pm 11/02/13 Permalink
DecayingCorpse
Brisbane, Queensland
2127 posts
i commute to work on my FJR1300 - overkill i know :)
the hours that i work means there is not much traffic and very little risk.

also i don't filter at all unless there's a massive prang and the bruce hwy for example is a carpark. i have too much bodywork to risk.
03:38pm 11/02/13 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
13466 posts
Why is the video suddenly private? Man the f*** up princess.
03:44pm 11/02/13 Permalink
maxe
Brisbane, Queensland
14389 posts
EMBRACE DEATH


04:11pm 11/02/13 Permalink
Vash
3675 posts
Biggest killer on motorbikes, over confidence, and not paying attention. That video from maxe, the first incident was unbelievable, i'd be on the brakes way earlier seeing that.
04:13pm 11/02/13 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
35146 posts
maxes video typifies everything wrong with riding a motor bike and listening to hip hop music.
04:51pm 11/02/13 Permalink
joerocket10r
Brisbane, Queensland
71 posts
sorry made it private casue of all the negative nancys knowing exactly who i am from watching a 30sec vid. uploading the entire vid soon.
also spook i never said i was not doing anything illegal i was just pointing out the muppet not looking. but hey cool story, next time can you add some dragons and wizards and s***. peace.
07:13pm 11/02/13 Permalink
mission
Brisbane, Queensland
8770 posts
pssst: qgl is down for dragons and ninjas, not so keen on teh wizards.
07:29pm 11/02/13 Permalink
Protius
Brisbane, Queensland
4485 posts
When did maxe become a poo-puncher?
08:38pm 11/02/13 Permalink
crazymorton
Brisbane, Queensland
3889 posts
Why is the video suddenly private? Man the f*** up princess.

I lol'd.

sorry made it private casue of all the negative nancys knowing exactly who i am from watching a 30sec vid. uploading the entire vid soon.

Dude is QGL, everyones an expert.

Will wait for promised full vid before cc
08:45pm 11/02/13 Permalink
Obes
Brisbane, Queensland
9935 posts
also spook i never said i was not doing anything illegal i was just pointing out the muppet not looking.


Soon as you lane split you became a muppet.

To quote a muppet "herdy gerdy".
08:46pm 11/02/13 Permalink
joerocket10r
Brisbane, Queensland
73 posts
heres the whole ride with added super fun happy lane splitting, edited out another rider casue i really cbf blurring that much of the vid.
so much hostility from half of the people here wtf
love you too obes

09:11pm 11/02/13 Permalink
meh
Brisbane, Queensland
26 posts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XihQeZpwqpE

gets aiight @ the 2 min mark :)
09:23pm 11/02/13 Permalink
crazymorton
Brisbane, Queensland
3890 posts
I couldn't watch meh's on my iPad so here it is.

09:30pm 11/02/13 Permalink
shad
Brisbane, Queensland
3880 posts
So much want for an R1.
09:39pm 11/02/13 Permalink
joerocket10r
Brisbane, Queensland
74 posts
now that guy is crazy.
this is what i normally do...spose you do gooders will have a problem with this too, but i really dont care what you think.
after this thread i have realised half of the peeps here are so awesome its blinding them

enjoy.
10:01pm 11/02/13 Permalink
Eds
Brisbane, Queensland
9969 posts
I ride to work everyday, I go riding on weekends (sometimes lol) and I used to do track days at QR as well.

Your still a d******* for riding so agressively. I agree, that bloke was not even looking at what he was doing but you do ride more agressively then most.....and please dont tell me thats how you have to ride to stay alive. I lane split as well, but I wait for the cars to be stationary.
10:13pm 11/02/13 Permalink
BOHEMION
Brisbane, Queensland
574 posts
Is that a group 2 session? Did they kick you up to Group 1 later in the day?
10:14pm 11/02/13 Permalink
joerocket10r
Brisbane, Queensland
75 posts
why would i say thats how you have to ride to stay alive? wtf that doesn't even make sense.
so was all the lane splitting aggressive in your opinion or just the last bit? the cars were stationary...then they moved...it was bound to happen at some point...lol
love you too eds

at QR they have slow, medium slow, medium fast & fast. that was medium fast.
11:12pm 11/02/13 Permalink
parabol
Brisbane, Queensland
7463 posts
the cars were stationary...then they moved..

Once you pop out of an advanced riding course, you realise two things: that after a near miss or an accident:

1. Arrogant / d******* riders blame the other car.
2. Better riders blame themselves for not anticipating the scenario and/or not being in a better position on the road.

Short of a car or semi flying across the road in the wrong direction out of nowhere and wiping you out without a chance to react, most near misses or accidents are your own fault. Almost every time.
12:03am 12/02/13 Permalink
qmass
Queensland
10516 posts
I still don't understand why motorcyclists expect anything BUT cars intentionally trying to kill them.

I don't ride but I have had jobs couriering and postie vanning, as well as loving to drive my own car and as a result of the uncountable numbers of stupid s*** I have witnessed, I won't even take off from an intersection with an approaching car using their indicator because I don't trust them to make the turn.

Nearly everyone on the road is f*****g incompetent. I would be scared s***less on a bike in traffic because I have had an obscene amount of cars change lanes on me without looking, to the point where I always have a finger on the horn when passing cars - I would expect it to happen every time I went out if I was on a bike and harder to see.

Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo I'm not really sure why anyone is surprised.

I wish I could ride a bike safely (ie. the f*** away from cars) because they look like crazy fun, but until I can afford to learn and exclusively use one on a track, I reckon Ill stick with cars. That and I am not beyond making a mistake and wiping myself out... at least I have a chance in a car :P
12:10am 12/02/13 Permalink
Herron
Brisbane, Queensland
180 posts
heres the whole ride with added super fun happy lane splitting,

That's it? S*** like that happens all the time, especially at that intersection. Look at how many accidents occur in afternoon traffic to see that people don't always think or concentrate on the road.
07:26am 12/02/13 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
35148 posts
i am all for lane splitting.
here is a video of me riding to work yesterday morning.
07:57am 12/02/13 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
16637 posts
that guy would have been f***ed if a car moved closer to the dotted line.
11:55am 12/02/13 Permalink
JakeG
Thailand
1162 posts
Check out the motorcycle safety in this vid

11:57am 12/02/13 Permalink
demon
Brisbane, Queensland
7086 posts
<3 iom vids :D cameron donald is a mad cainer.

one of my youtube favourites... jump to 5:00 for the epic !

12:14pm 12/02/13 Permalink
joerocket10r
Brisbane, Queensland
76 posts
yeah man love iom, saving to go there next year.
Cam is a bit of a legend. Guy martin is a funny f*****.
01:01pm 12/02/13 Permalink
DeadlyDav0
Brisbane, Queensland
3406 posts
Its always funny seeing the moto noobs who get done by the police where the bruce highway goes from 100 down to 80 @ carseldine heading south.
03:16pm 12/02/13 Permalink
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Gold Coast, Queensland
11 posts
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joerocket10r
Brisbane, Queensland
77 posts
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Jim
UK
13220 posts
except they don't actually show that it's safe and good. they just give completely anecdotal statements about why they like doing it, along with making several unsubstantiated claims about why it's necessary and safer
09:07pm 13/02/13 Permalink
Jim
UK
13221 posts
deniers gonna be deniers, and repeat dumb sayings that gloss over any ideas that don't agree with them


why would you link an article that asks motorcyclists what they think of lane splitting? could you be any less objective?
09:35pm 13/02/13 Permalink
DeadlyDav0
Brisbane, Queensland
3416 posts
Jims jelly.
09:46pm 13/02/13 Permalink
Vash
3676 posts
just look up motorcyclist crash statistics in countries which it's legal, and actually have people who follow the road rules (Asia don't apply)
09:47pm 13/02/13 Permalink
Jim
UK
13222 posts
you look it up
and while you're there, do it without applying filters that weight the result to your preference - that's just deluding yourself


I don't care either way, I'm just pointing out joerockets irrational behaviour
09:54pm 13/02/13 Permalink
DeadlyDav0
Brisbane, Queensland
3419 posts
Yup, jelly jim.

Probably rages every time some dude on a bike / scooter / moto etc passes him while hes stuck stationary in peak hour traffic.
09:59pm 13/02/13 Permalink
Jim
UK
13223 posts
what's peak hour traffic? I work from home

besides I live in belfast. you don't get stuck in traffic here cos everyone lets you in, and there's almost zero motorbikes on the road anyway


so, more irrational conjecture
10:05pm 13/02/13 Permalink
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Brisbane, Queensland
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Brisbane, Queensland
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10:42pm 13/02/13 Permalink
joerocket10r
Brisbane, Queensland
80 posts
"The study was conducted by the California Office of Traffic Safety. Two reports were issued, one that queried riders and the other than queried drivers" from that same article jim, you obviously did not read it properly. could i be any less objective...yes
if anything hopefully this will make you more aware that bikes share the road too
love you too
10:52pm 13/02/13 Permalink
Jim
UK
13224 posts
I did read that, and it's amusing that you think this makes you objective
I'm completely aware that al sorts of vehicles share the road, and I've never been anything less than completely considerate of other types of vehicles

leaping to conclusions about my motivation for commenting just continues to demonstrate your inability to be objective about the topic
10:59pm 13/02/13 Permalink
koopz
Brisbane, Queensland
9885 posts
two bits:


1./ never ride angry..

2./ Earn your place as a Ulysses member.


most can't because they're just consumers
11:00pm 13/02/13 Permalink
Vash
3677 posts
Lane splitting will never make riding as safe as a car, but it certainly weighs more in our favour, giving us our own little lane, some space where a car won't go because it leads to colliding with another car. We're more likely to be hit riding in a full lane, simply because our profile is much smaller, and we're less visible.

The only downside i can think of are stupid drivers opening their doors while they're stopped, ive seen this a few times. you'd be unlucky to hit one as it opens while you're travelling at speed.

Other is aggressive drivers who simply don't like being overtaken when they're stuck. I actually had one aim at me with his bullbar, and luckily i had a path to go between cars to get away.
11:45pm 13/02/13 Permalink
parabol
Brisbane, Queensland
7468 posts
joerocket10r, that was the dumbest video I've seen this year. Classic quotes:

"I've never not split lanes, that's been a problem with legality sometimes, it's just what motorcyles do, it's just how motorcycles operate."

That's how motorcycles operate? lol.

"everywhere in the world, lane splitting is legal"

That's an ambitious statement, which also happens to be false.

What you don't seem to get:

Safest way to ride a motorbike = when in the vicinity of cars or other bikes, follow road protocol (i.e. the road rules) so that people can [ideally] predict when and where you are going to perform an action, and also leave substantial space in front / behind / beside you. No sudden maneuvers either. It's about maximising your chances of being seen and not hit.

Non-safe way to ride = reducing your safety buffer by riding close to cars or out of a lane to overtake them, whether they are stationary or not.

You can go on all you like about how the cars are stationary while you split, but 50% of lane-splitting I see ends up with the light going green before the bike gets to the front, and then an awkward maneuver to remerge in the middle of the intersection (the worst place to be negotiating your position on a city road).
11:51pm 13/02/13 Permalink
Vash
3678 posts
Also, there is one incident i know, a guy i knew personally died when he was riding past traffic on the inside, between the gutter and the cars, at speed.
Poor decision, there was a drive way coming up and he didnt slow down, and a car pulled into a drive way knocking him into a telegraph pole.

So you always need to be aware, and assume you're invisible.
11:51pm 13/02/13 Permalink
Vash
3679 posts
Safest way to ride a motorbike = follow road protocol (i.e. the road rules) so that people can [ideally] predict when and where you are going to perform an action, and also leave substantial space in front / behind / beside you. No sudden maneuvers either. It's about maximising your chances of being seen and not hit.


Disagree.
Never, rely on other road users. Always assume that car you're looking at hasnt seen you, and will just pull in front of you at any moment. Always keep a finger on the brake.
I feel safest when cars are stopped, and im going between them, gaining ground to my destination.

Travelling along with traffic going 60+KM/H, feels less safe, than if the cars were stopped and i continued on.

It's also very uncomplicated to re-merge as cars begin to move again. If it looks awkward, the rider was inexperienced.
11:58pm 13/02/13 Permalink
parabol
Brisbane, Queensland
7469 posts
Disagree.

You disagree with leaving a buffer zone around you and not making sudden movements? Interesting.
Never, rely on other road users.

Who said anything about relying on other road users? I specifically said "It's about maximising your chances of being seen".
Always assume that car you're looking at hasnt seen you

Good assumption to make and I don't disagree. However, riding more predictably increases your probability of being seen and is a necessary first line of defence IMHO.

Probability: that's what riding on a shared road comes down to. You have to swing it your way as much as possible.
12:10am 14/02/13 Permalink
Vash
3680 posts
Sudden movements are also acceptable on a motorcycle, though it depends on the situation. It's saved my ass many times.

Maximising your chances of being seen is staying out of blind spots, there isn't much else you can do. Even when im driving, i find myself struggling to see certain motorcycles. Namely, dirt bikes. Extremely slim profiles. I tend to just avoid cars at any chance.

Some riders i observe sit on the arse of cars, or just have generally risky behavior. Personally i feel i can get away with a fair bit since i ride a very light, nimble and high bike that feels like a bicycle when ridden. Tend to chase the cyclists in the city through traffic, bit of fun.
12:22am 14/02/13 Permalink
parabol
Brisbane, Queensland
7470 posts
Sudden movements are also acceptable on a motorcycle, though it depends on the situation. It's saved my ass many times.

To avoid a collision, sure. But I'm talking about sudden overtaking/splitting, sudden accelerating + getting along side a car to make an angry statement (like in the first vid that went private), etc.
Maximising your chances of being seen is staying out of blind spots, there isn't much else you can do

If you truly believe that then I'd suggest taking any short advanced or defensive motorbike course.
12:30am 14/02/13 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
6373 posts
I'm sure parabol specifically is referring to the "There isn't much else you can do" because i totally agree with your "Maximising your chances of being seen by stying out of blind spots" is the number 1 most important skill, but not the only skill of being a motorcyclist.

Not to cut your grass, but i don't hate lane splitting when it's done in stationary traffic. but anecdotal evidence never looks at both sides, it looks as the biker's perspective saying "It's OK!" missing the caveat that every car driver says "I stay in my lane, never swerving and never doing anything unpredictable or sudden".

Honestly if you think that it's safe then you must be a sociopath, it's just the risk reward in many situations is often quite ok.

Then again most will say that jaywalking is safe, then have the caveat that they'll only do it when there's good visibility and clearly no cars for X distance so it's impossible for something to hit them. The law and the reality is often slightly askew but anyone who says jaywalking is always safe is a f*****g moron.
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