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Toyota 86 waiting lists?
Jerry
Queensland
4191 posts
Has anyone tried purchasing an 86 yet? The toyota site says there is an 18 month waiting list on the GTS model but doesn't say this for the GT model.

Also I heard the subaru version has a mammoth waiting list already also.

I've been looking at getting a new car for over a year and everytime I decide on something I then spend days researching it and change my mind - so I need to make a planned impulsive purchase before I change my mind (but a waiting list will also do this for me).

So just wondering if anyone has test driven it and tried to or has purchased one yet?
09:33am 22/07/12 Permalink
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09:33am 22/07/12 Permalink
stinky
USA
3725 posts
My local subaru dealer is selling them quicker than they can get them in. if I wasn't still fairly early in my lease I would serious consider trading in for one.

here's a pretty good youtube video showing it head to head with a mustang

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pD3hgleEOXA
09:43am 22/07/12 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
5822 posts
I could have rented one in japan, but i didn't bring my international drivers license because i didn't need it last time nor ever feel any need to drive in that country.

I kind of regretted it for a moment. I'm considering picking one up in the distant future, new if possible as my first new car.
10:08am 22/07/12 Permalink
E.T.
Queensland
4346 posts
I'm confused. Are they the same car?
10:28am 22/07/12 Permalink
Rdizz
Germany
2060 posts
yes. Personally I would wait for the TRD edition:

http://naritadogfight.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/dsc00849.jpg?w=950&h=535
10:40am 22/07/12 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
5823 posts
I'm confused. Are they the same car?

BRZ vs 86?

Essentially yes, minor differences :P
10:58am 22/07/12 Permalink
scooby
Brisbane, Queensland
4489 posts
this car is the best thing for the car market in agesss

these things are going to be everywhere - flooding the market because theyre so good and cheap

things like MX5s, s2000s and 350z's which are way overpriced will have their resale value drop HEAPS and their new sales hurt

so the result is, awesome, cheap RWD cars for everyone! its the renaissance
11:18am 22/07/12 Permalink
Ha
Brisbane, Queensland
267 posts
couldn't agree more scooby i have never, ever given a s*** about owning a new car. until now.
11:19am 22/07/12 Permalink
DK
Brisbane, Queensland
735 posts
How much are they in aus?
11:39am 22/07/12 Permalink
E.T.
Queensland
4348 posts
How much are they in aus?


The BRZ is $37,150 drive away acording to the Subaru web site
12:03pm 22/07/12 Permalink
hardware
Brisbane, Queensland
10292 posts
so the result is, awesome, cheap RWD cars for everyone! its the renaissance
good good
bring back non-massive rwd sedans too pls
12:23pm 22/07/12 Permalink
Whoop
Brisbane, Queensland
20274 posts
good good
bring back non-massive rwd sedans too pls

This. I went looking for another car last year or whatever, bugger all medium sized RWD cars.
01:27pm 22/07/12 Permalink
Deviouz
Melbourne, Victoria
250 posts
My brother is on a 3month wait list for a 86 GT with TRD(gts) pack. Test driving one was the greatest driving experience of my life!!!! ;p -Toyota fanboi
02:49pm 22/07/12 Permalink
evıs
Brisbane, Queensland
6572 posts
I wants. But I guess not anytime soon :(
03:21pm 22/07/12 Permalink
hardware
Brisbane, Queensland
10294 posts
there's only three medium sized rwd sedans i can think of whoop
lexus is250, merc c-class and bmw 3-series

i just want the days of old where you could buy an escort, torana, gemini, cortina, datto, corolla, centura or 808, all rwd. Sure they're all relics now due to the fact that they only had the technology of their day, but just something like a focus zetec rwd would be pretty nice.
http://liveimages.redbook.com.au/carnod/car/spec/FORD1508.jpg
for example.
03:51pm 22/07/12 Permalink
IVY_MiKe
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory
1162 posts
Took the only [demo] GT in the ACT for a test drive two weeks back.

Very 'precise' driving controls, low driving position and reasonable throttle response (was an auto :\ but was a 6 speed auto too...)
A little underpowered (for the look of the car), but a VERY good balance when it came to power to weight, and you could tell exactly the market this car has been built for.

The '86 is ~33k on road for the GT and $43 for the GTS, but yeah, order an 86 GTS now and it's well into April-May locally before it'll arrive.

I want to see/feel the extra's in the GTS, coz the interior for the GT was v.spartan.

I also want to see how many of the 90's tuning giants return and make basic turbo kits etc etc for it. Apparently Toyota (and by extension Subaru (and Scion in the US)) are all 'at work' to produce a model with forced induction, that car, will be a weapon, and a menace to tyres EVERYwhere :D
04:44pm 22/07/12 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
16983 posts
05:25pm 22/07/12 Permalink
Peeka
Melbourne, Victoria
340 posts
Saw one not long ago and was wondering wtf it was no badge on back cept a toyota one
06:20pm 22/07/12 Permalink
Rdizz
Germany
2061 posts
just fyi the gts is not the trd edition. the trd edition has nit been released yet and comes with waaay more goodies than the gts
06:40pm 22/07/12 Permalink
Skitza
Brisbane, Queensland
9800 posts
just fyi the gts is not the trd edition. the trd edition has nit been released yet and comes with waaay more goodies than the gts


Bets for 50k? lol

Do not want either. Could piss in a bucket with more power than this.
07:10pm 22/07/12 Permalink
IVY_MiKe
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory
1164 posts
It's not all about Power Skitza

Sure if you want to put it on a track, it's not going to rock your socks for hard G's pulled when stomping on the loud pedal.

It's about balance, and as a daily driver, I could get used to drivin it.

It'd be properly rage inducing for a commuter, but tbh I think I'd drive that like I ride my bike; have a destination in mind, but find as many twisty streets between here and there as I could think to ;)
07:34pm 22/07/12 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
3041 posts
18month waiting list is marketing crap, it is currently looking like most people will have no more than a 5 month wait (mate paid for his on friday and dealer is expecting it to land mid nov, so in his late late november, however they are ramping up the building, so the wait might be less

(the 18 month wait was working out on the pre-delivery build times, but as the line in getting into full swing the numbers being made now is much much higher)

also, beware of the different prices, the toyota come in two specs, while the subie come in one, and while the subie looks higher, that is a driveaway price, AND includes some servicing


some of the guys I used to race with had three 86's at mt cotton last week, and they could not speak, they are still most likely grinning ear to ear, it was (and i'l para phrase here) a f*****g hoot, so damn controlable, and nice to not have the idiot savers (aka all the electronics that control modern cars, and take the fun out)

one of the guys (whom i'll not name due to some damage to the car that no one would claim did it) took it dirt......it did really really well (for a rwd) so much so that he is thinking of competing in one once more spares come online (he drives rally) one comment was the ride was really good for a fun sporty car, and much better than he thought it would be off road so i can only guess that it will be rather good as a daily

none of them liked the back seat
08:15pm 22/07/12 Permalink
mental
Brisbane, Queensland
3357 posts
They are also in talks with BMW about bringing the supra back (yes talks again, but with the success of this looks promising). Would be an interesting partnership, with Toyota doing the Supra and BMW doing the Cressida styles (I would imagine).
08:20pm 22/07/12 Permalink
Timmeh
Brisbane, Queensland
2366 posts
I reckon wait 5 years when the second hand market gets a hold of them. prices will plummet and bring everything down as-well. there is talk of Nissan lowering the price of there 370 to compete with the ft/brz.
Also Mazda have just announced a partnership with alpha to make the ND generation of mx5, still going to be around the $45k mark. Which mazda believes is an affordable sports car. But in saying that Porsche think the Cayman is affordable too.
I have my roadster so its all good.
08:23pm 22/07/12 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
3042 posts
mazda's partnership is with fiat, it could be a hit or miss, (could be great, could need to be serviced every other day, or rust in a week)

fact is, there are more exciting cars coming, and more to the point, we are getting them in this country, and they are not grey imports!!!
08:40pm 22/07/12 Permalink
maRtz
Brisbane, Queensland
3720 posts
I've seen a couple of these on the road and they do look a lot better in person.

What do these things have that make em so expensive? It's a 4 cylinder na right?
09:46pm 22/07/12 Permalink
hardware
Brisbane, Queensland
10295 posts
probably the same thing that makes the 350z expensive martz
it's just a murano motor right?
10:00pm 22/07/12 Permalink
Whoop
Brisbane, Queensland
20278 posts
It'd be properly rage inducing for a commuter, but tbh I think I'd drive that like I ride my bike; have a destination in mind, but find as many twisty streets between here and there as I could think to ;)

I drive my evo to work some times, it handles better in stop start gridlock than my toyota corolla daily driver lolz.
10:03pm 22/07/12 Permalink
Sc00bs
Brisbane, Queensland
8911 posts
please mr toyota bring out a new supra!

im really hoping this new 86 (with how interested everyone is) will spark another 90's 180sx/rx7/supra era =)
10:38pm 22/07/12 Permalink
maRtz
Brisbane, Queensland
3721 posts
it's just a murano motor right?


dunno, maybe it is but they're not the same car, it's not just the engine. I know for sure it's the same motor as the G35's. But in all seriousness, you can't compare a 350z or a honda s2000 to an 86. You're comparing apples to oranges. But that's not too say the 86 is a bad car, I actually like it a lot, but severly lacks straight line pull (which can be corrected with some bolt ons ;) )

Oh I read somewhere that Subaru may be introducing an STI version, sounds exciting!
11:39pm 22/07/12 Permalink
Whoop
Brisbane, Queensland
20279 posts
What do these things have that make em so expensive? It's a 4 cylinder na right?

Is $30-$35k expensive?
please mr toyota bring out a new supra!

im really hoping this new 86 (with how interested everyone is) will spark another 90's 180sx/rx7/supra era =)

I don't care about another 90's car era, but I do hope it tells car manufacturers that everyone hates their godawful front wheel drive pieces of s***. Some of us want control. What happens when you lose traction in a FWD? No power and no steering = dangerous. What happens when the driving wheels lose traction in a RWD? FUN. That's what.
12:28am 23/07/12 Permalink
Jim
UK
12983 posts
What happens when you lose traction in a FWD?
you learn how to control a fwd
05:45am 23/07/12 Permalink
Sc00bs
Brisbane, Queensland
8912 posts
^ lol or u slide in a straight direction until the tires get grip
07:27am 23/07/12 Permalink
shad
Brisbane, Queensland
3770 posts
I thought understeer would be safer than oversteer. Unless you are a skilled driver or an internet user that is.
08:08am 23/07/12 Permalink
Rdizz
Germany
2064 posts
no, if you have understeer you pretty have much no steering because your front wheels have no grip. Oversteer you still have some control.
10:22am 23/07/12 Permalink
Strik3r
Brisbane, Queensland
2093 posts
FWD cars are easier and safer for your average driver.
11:10am 23/07/12 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
5826 posts
no, if you have understeer you pretty have much no steering because your front wheels have no grip. Oversteer you still have some control.

Not really, you can manage understeer much easier than oversteer, coming from a frontwheel drive car for 5 years i learned how much throttle to have the understeering fun while not losing all turning ability.

Of course oversteer allows you to ask the front end of your car in a direction but the bulk of it is going another. I've been driving a turbo rear wheel car for 3 years now.

I'd say understeer is safer because if i let off the throttle, then i have just as much grip as a rearwheel drive car and nearly never have the back out of shape pushing the body of the car the wrong way. It's easy to go too far on a frontwheel drive car and then just let off the power to get all your traction back.

Also, frontwheel drive allows you to put down a little extra power over nothing, to get that tiny bit more traction that you get from having wheels turning the rubber onto the ground. Of course AWD is best if you're talking about grip. So i suppose the question is moot.
12:12pm 23/07/12 Permalink
IVY_MiKe
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory
1166 posts
Grip doesn't necessarily equate to all out ideal 'handling characteristics' skythra.
I'm refering to cornering specifically, not 'straight line' performance.

FWD allows people to get away with murder (ie, enter a corner waaaay too hot and the outcome is very predictable) (I agree with Strik3r on this point, for 'everyday drivers' this is probably the safest and most predictable)
RWD allows for more 'fun' with the throttle (ie, enter slowly, hard exit will step the tail out, and 'on [but not over] the limit' this is where fun is had)

AWD allows for best 'all weather' grip, but when it comes to cornering, unless said A/4WD has an awesome Centre Diff or variable Diff they *tend* to understeer. Breaking traction in an AWD on roads otherwise (ie, enter a corner too hard, attempt to push car beyond limit and lose traction) will typically end up in far worse situation than someone 'playing' in a RWD.

Regardless of F/R/A/4 WD unless you've got some decent (read not cheap) rubber, well set suspension and a decent Diff it doesn't really matter. For 'everyday driving' it's a non-event, but for those who really enjoy driving for *drivings sake* most people tend toward RWD. (as I see it, there's the most room for 'finesse' with an RWD)

EDIT: re-reading that first sentence (of this post) and it looks wrong... I guess what I'm trying to say is grip only makes up one part of the equation when it comes to cornering. In moving a car through a corner at speed, there are a lot of factors to consider, weight (and its balance), where the power is coming from, and how you seek to apply it. I've got plenty of on and off-road experience, (not tonnes of track work, but enough I think) what I don't have in spades is the ability to quickly and concisely word it I guess :P
12:34pm 23/07/12 Permalink
DirtyApe
Brisbane, Queensland
964 posts
The 86 is very small on the inside. I am 6'4" and there is no way I could drive it comfortably. Looks nice though and would fun to drive. As far as I am aware work has sold every single one they got.
12:48pm 23/07/12 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
5827 posts
Scuzzy is over 6foot and drives a toyota sera, i think you'd feel more comfortable in a 86 than he does in that sera :P

And as for the AWD FWD RWD, i'm just meaning in safety on average user scenarios. When turning in a situation, around the streets or on the road, a FWD is going to have more meaningful grip. Although I didn't qualify that specifically.

For a sports car driver, safety isn't paramount to speed and function. RWD can at speed take a corner faster than a FWD. Hence RWD is better, you make up the safety part with skill.

Also all things being equal, obviously a slow rwd or a commodore without any suspension will roll badly and corner much slower than an integra with a turbo and coilovers despite being fwd.
12:51pm 23/07/12 Permalink
IVY_MiKe
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory
1167 posts
Ape you've clearly never sat in either a Supra or an '86.

looking at the seating position in the '86 reminds me a lot of the Supra (tho scaled down only slightly).

That car would readily seat someone 6'6"-6'8" I'd think. You'll run out of leg room before you'll run out of head space anyway, the driving position in the '86 is VERY low.

I'm about 5'9" and had quite a lot of space between my head and the roof, and a good, healthy amount of space to move the chair backwards from where I sat.

(there are rear seats in the car, but the only people you'll 'comfortably' sit in them, are children (read: under 10) or amputees)
01:49pm 23/07/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19612 posts
On the one hand, thats a pretty sweet looking car, I liked it when my brother showed it to me a few months back. But if its going to herald in a new age of people driving on the roads like idiots because they think they're badass race car drivers in their "sports" cars, then f*** that car, it can go diaf.
02:13pm 23/07/12 Permalink
maRtz
Brisbane, Queensland
3723 posts
18month waiting list is marketing crap, it is currently looking like most people will have no more than a 5 month wait (mate paid for his on friday and dealer is expecting it to land mid nov, so in his late late november, however they are ramping up the building, so the wait might be less


guy at gym ordered one, 15 month wait. might not be marketing crap afterall.
04:37pm 23/07/12 Permalink
IVY_MiKe
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory
1169 posts
I had that thought too Khel, if I were in the market to own one I don't think it would stop me, but yeah, the demographic of 'omogod eets fully schick' dudes that would own it (and the rapidly growing number of them that will be on the road) is a bit of a downer.

Overall I think the 'car market' should stand up and take notice tho, not everyone wants a massively heavy road car, or $50k+ sports car
04:42pm 23/07/12 Permalink
Netrosis
Brisbane, Queensland
2 posts
Has anyone tried purchasing an 86 yet?


I put in an order for a Fuji Red 86 GTS in the middle of May. I knew there was going to be a bit of a wait so I got in beforehand so that I wouldn't get stuck with a huge wait.

However I'm now expecting delivery in mid November or December. Oh well, more money for a deposit I guess.
04:56pm 23/07/12 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
3043 posts
lol's at people thinking that there is no control in a fwd car that is skidding

for the record a fwd is safer to control, if you start to understeer all you do is square up the corner, simple s*** that doesn't require you practice those skills (sure you have to know the skills in the first place) (controling a RWD car on the true limit, and regaining control is it steps out (not drifting, proper lose control) is much much hard in a RWD (and pretty much never ever going to happen in a 911)
09:04pm 23/07/12 Permalink
Rdizz
Germany
2068 posts
09:33pm 23/07/12 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
5829 posts
On the one hand, thats a pretty sweet looking car, I liked it when my brother showed it to me a few months back. But if its going to herald in a new age of people driving on the roads like idiots because they think they're badass race car drivers in their "sports" cars, then f*** that car, it can go diaf.


Right. Because all the people who can already get cars modified for far cheaper with more power to weight aren't already doing that.

You're just hating with no substance khel. Did you give up the internet just because d**** post all the time?
lol's at people thinking that there is no control in a fwd car that is skidding
I don't think even 1 person said that, but if you can quote and prove me wrong?

There was a brief difference of opinion of how much one was easier to manage in difficult situations. I can tell you that given pure aquaplane i've pulled grip by planting my foot in a frontwheel drive car but it'd be impossible to do that in a RWD. But again have to rest on AWD as being better for that situation although i can't say i've driven one in that situation (although i have driven both rwd and fwd cars in that situation).

Really tyres are more important than rwd vs fwd but it's kind of a dumb comparison anyway.
10:09pm 23/07/12 Permalink
IVY_MiKe
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory
1171 posts
That Peugot accident is due to entry speed (and probably descent in the road, it looks like it's on it's way down a hill) almost entirely.

I will state the obvious and say it didn't suffer understeer in that accident :P
12:52am 24/07/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19617 posts
You're just hating with no substance khel. Did you give up the internet just because d**** post all the time?


I'm not hating on the car, I'm just hating on wankers in general. And I'm worried this might become a wanker magnet, which would suck, cos I wouldn't mind one at some point in the future possibly.
01:53am 24/07/12 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
3044 posts
no, if you have understeer you pretty have much no steering because your front wheels have no grip. Oversteer you still have some control.



here be the comment
03:19am 24/07/12 Permalink
maRtz
Brisbane, Queensland
3724 posts
I'm not hating on the car, I'm just hating on wankers in general. And I'm worried this might become a wanker magnet, which would suck, cos I wouldn't mind one at some point in the future possibly.


I reckon every man and his dog will have this car. They're gonna be everywhere and more common than a corolla. I think the appeal will be shortlived. Because of this it should make your more expensive sports cars eg. 350Z more unique and desirable ;P

Oh and whoever said that because of the release of the 86, this might bring on the release of the next supra. I actually think the opposite, this has dampened the chances of such a thing!!

Having said that, seeing the succes of the 86, they might release a much more powerful supra to compete with the more expensive sports car market.

By the way, you can't compare the 86 to an mx5, the mx5 is a convertible meaning huge cost impact hence the price tag.

last edited by maRtz at 05:31:55 24/Jul/12
05:28am 24/07/12 Permalink
maRtz
Brisbane, Queensland
3726 posts
Mazda 3 mps 0-100 in 6.1 seconds turbo intercooled and the pricing is comparable to the 86 GTS. 86 GTS is 0-100 in 7.6 seconds i believe..

Only issues are that it's FWD and average looks but definitely packs a punch.
09:08am 24/07/12 Permalink
Jim
UK
12986 posts
7.6 rly? how come people are spooging about a car that's slower from 0-100 than a 2300kg bmw X5 diesel
09:26am 24/07/12 Permalink
Ha
Brisbane, Queensland
268 posts
because taking a firm grip of the steering wheel and steadily changing up through the gears is not how most people have fun in a car?
09:30am 24/07/12 Permalink
Jim
UK
12987 posts
derp
how about snappy acceleration, which 0-100 is a reasonable measure of for the australian market?
09:40am 24/07/12 Permalink
Rdizz
Germany
2070 posts
cant accelerate in australia, get booked for that.
09:53am 24/07/12 Permalink
Jim
UK
12988 posts
:(
not s***ting on the car in general, just surprised at the power given the attention it's getting
10:01am 24/07/12 Permalink
hardware
Brisbane, Queensland
10296 posts
jim quite simply it's the price. It's the only new rwd car you can buy under $50k that isn't a bogan boat.
10:47am 24/07/12 Permalink
mission
Brisbane, Queensland
8578 posts
How much is the X5, $50k more?

I would have thought 0-100 in 7.6 in more than adequate to zip around in :/
01:26pm 24/07/12 Permalink
Sc00bs
Brisbane, Queensland
8917 posts
cant accelerate in australia, get booked for that.

undue accelleration is classified as hooning now yay
dont be a bloody hoon and take off from the lights faster than the camry next to you or... hooning!!!
02:03pm 24/07/12 Permalink
Sc00bs
Brisbane, Queensland
8918 posts
pulled in behind one of the 86's today, looks sexy as, not much sound from it tho :( unless oldmate wasnt giving it any.
02:03pm 24/07/12 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
34021 posts
car is not about straight line speed, it is about balance and handling.

mps is a great comparison, much quicker in a straight line, terrible around corners, the 86 would destroy it around any race track
02:07pm 24/07/12 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
16991 posts
having driven a mps plenty of times i would call bulls*** on your statement spook, between the dynamic stability control and traction control i'd reckon a mps would hand this 86 a beating

the only failure with the mps is taking off from standing still it will torque steer a fair bit
02:21pm 24/07/12 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
3045 posts
pave, the 86 will have the MPS's measure I think

the big boon is will be mid corner speed, which it has in spades
02:37pm 24/07/12 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
34022 posts
yer, i read some wheels review on hot hatches and all the drivers said the same thing, the mps was great in a straight line, and s*** through corners.

the 86 definately seems under powered, but you cant deny its fast through corners, much faster than anything else in or even in most cases above its price range
03:36pm 24/07/12 Permalink
Jim
UK
12994 posts
car is not about straight line speed, it is about balance and handling.
it's about the right balance of both

I'm not saying it's all about straight line speed, just that 7.6 from 0-100 means it's pretty ordinary in the acceleration department and you still need acceleration/power for cornering. I was just surprised in the context of a riceburner thread that something that takes that long to get to speed was getting the wows, I thought you guys were all about the ~4 second 0-100's
03:53pm 24/07/12 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
34023 posts
theres a lot of people tracking these cars already and loving them, so it must be doing enough.

no doubt there will be a more hipowered version coming though
04:08pm 24/07/12 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
5838 posts
theres a lot of people tracking these cars already and loving them, so it must be doing enough.

no doubt there will be a more hipowered version coming though

I can't find the quote but i was reading a article on a mag which was saying that there was serious interest by TRD in making a stock optional supercharger.

That sounds like a fun little bolt-on. Obviously I prefer turbo's but there's never a downside with superchargers (except intake heat).
06:53pm 24/07/12 Permalink
Sc00bs
Brisbane, Queensland
8922 posts
7.6 is pretty weak 1-100 :/
first company to bring out a reasonably priced bolt on turbo/procharger etc will make a fortune.
07:06pm 24/07/12 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
5840 posts
Already there, although reasonable is all in the eye of the beholder:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?p=333062#post333062

That's all pre-installation cost of course. I have done a turbo on a car before from NA to Turbo, but considering it was a 1980's rb30 in a r31 skyline, with an engine bay the size of a boat, i don't think i could do the same to the cramped toyota..

Ooops that's america!
07:10pm 24/07/12 Permalink
maRtz
Brisbane, Queensland
3730 posts
That's a ridiculous price for a turbo kit. imagine that in aus dollars after importing + install..
10:27pm 24/07/12 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
3046 posts
TRD and STI have both said that they'll not be turbo'ing it not because the engine wont take it, but because the gearbox will lunch itself, (it is the same as in the MX5 and there are very few turbo'd MX5's for a good reason)
06:31am 25/07/12 Permalink
Rdizz
Germany
2071 posts
mmmm i dont know about that MPS comment. I drove a friends stock turbo 6 speed mps through glorious one night (trac on and off) and it was seriously quick around corners if you drove it hard. I have been up there in alot of different cars (mainly imports) and it was without a doubt the quickest car ive taken up there. Hell it would DESTORY my supra with almost everything done.
08:01am 25/07/12 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
34025 posts
mmmm i dont know about that MPS comment. I drove a friends stock turbo 6 speed mps through glorious one night (trac on and off) and it was seriously quick around corners if you drove it hard. I have been up there in alot of different cars (mainly imports) and it was without a doubt the quickest car ive taken up there. Hell it would DESTORY my supra with almost everything done.


professional drivers on a race track disagree with you
08:12am 25/07/12 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
3048 posts
quick, and feeling quick can sometimes be different

the MPS like all FWD cars hits a limit that all FWD cars do, and that it steering and feeding power thru the same tyres

two cars with like power and like tyres but different ends driving, the RWD will always be able to hold a higher top corner speed, the FWD will be able to get on the power a little earlier on exit, but it has to brake earlier and has a lower overall corner speed,

the 86 is faster mid corner despite having less tyre (width) than the mazda, and less power, but because of it's balance and low CG it will kill an MPS

I've seen a stock mx5 vs an MPS around lakeside 2 years ago, and the MPS while fast down the straight was caught up, and overtaken without fail by the eastern loop, (and once by the old bridge) yet the MPS is faster than an MX5
08:43am 25/07/12 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
34026 posts
yer, mx5's stock even are a weapon on the track due to their balance. they are far from high powered.

i remember an old boss took his missus's stock mx5 out to lakeside years ago and was doing super fast times.
09:02am 25/07/12 Permalink
orbitor
Brisbane, Queensland
8883 posts
86 vs MPS - it will depend on the track. Lots of slow corners and big straights will favour MPS heavily. Sweeping track will favour 86/BRZ cause it can keep the average speed up.
12:28pm 25/07/12 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
16997 posts
(it is the same as in the MX5 and there are very few turbo'd MX5's for a good reason)


only because mazda the pussies stopped making them
12:39pm 25/07/12 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
3049 posts
no pave, because they got to a point were the gearboxes couldn't take the extra power,
01:16pm 25/07/12 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
17001 posts
so make a stronger gearbox? how f*****g hard is it?

not very
05:26pm 25/07/12 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
3050 posts
er, it is about keeping the weight down,

stronger gearboxes are heavier, more weight makes the car slow, and the the handling pooer, adding a turbo isn't going to fix the degradation to the handling because of the added weight

also, stronger gearboxes add cost, (which is the main reason they have gone with the one in the 86/brz)

so it is f*****g harder
05:46pm 25/07/12 Permalink
Thundercracker
Brisbane, Queensland
3227 posts
I saw one of these getting around yesterday. Was I imagining things?

It's the only new rwd car you can buy under $50k that isn't a bogan boat.


Bogan boat ftw! (i have one)

I read an interesting question/answer thread by a guy who reviews cars for a magazine in europe and his favourite get-about car to dive was the mx5. Before that I always thought they weren't great.
06:40pm 25/07/12 Permalink
mission
Brisbane, Queensland
8582 posts
How much heavier would a heavier duty gearbox be?
06:44pm 25/07/12 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
3051 posts
40+ kgs, (which doesn't sound like alot, but it makes a big difference)
there is also the cost factor, one of the toyota reps answered the turbo question saying that it would be cheap and easy to do engine wise, cost only a few hundred, but a different gearbox would cost upto an extra $10 to the end user

fact is that the amount of power that the car makes is spot on for the amount of newtons the gearbox can take, and also the tyres, more power would mean less traction (using the current tyre size), going up in tyre size would add more and more to the over all cost and soon you'd end up with a 300Z, sure it was fast, but it cost heaps when new, and wasn't any where as much fun as a 180

it is also worth noting that this is one of the three planed "fun" cars from toyota, there will be two more, one a supra style, (bigger, faster, most likely a V6) and one smaller, which will no doubt be something like an old school starlet (smaller fwd, and fun)

I think anyone who want to turbo this, is missing the point of a fun drivers car, it would be like someone wanting to own a skyline when they could have a cataham 7, (as a fun car) because the cataham might not be all powerful, but f*** it is fun to drive (more so on a track than any stock skyline)
06:55pm 25/07/12 Permalink
Timmeh
Brisbane, Queensland
2369 posts
I saw one of these getting around yesterday. Was I imagining things?Bogan boat ftw! (i have one)I read an interesting question/answer thread by a guy who reviews cars for a magazine in europe and his favourite get-about car to dive was the mx5. Before that I always thought they weren't great.

Miatas are Great.

I recently bough one. (Grey)
Dad drove it for a while and then he bought one too!(white)
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/527020_4239538716954_1584005691_n.jpg
I have front and Rear sway bars, Full custom exhaust(cat back extractors etc) and king springs, so mine handles a bit bettter then his.

OT: Still if I was offered a FT 86 or a Ae86 worth the RRP of an FT, Id take the AE any day,
07:07pm 25/07/12 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
3054 posts
only downside to the MX5 is the cost, 51k drive away

15k less gets you a 86/BRZ, hopefully this will bring down the price of the MX5, (and some of the hot hatchs)

secretly I would love a good rwd revival, a little something from the VW group to compete with BMW,
08:22pm 25/07/12 Permalink
Timmeh
Brisbane, Queensland
2371 posts
only downside to the MX5 is the cost, 51k drive away15k less gets you a 86/BRZ, hopefully this will bring down the price of the MX5, (and some of the hot hatchs) secretly I would love a good rwd revival, a little something from the VW group to compete with BMW,

For a brand new NC model MX5.
Personally, I think they look like arse,
08:29pm 25/07/12 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
8132 posts
Saw one of these on the road today and looked pretty darn good.. then read here it does 0-100 in 7.6 seconds - how underwhelming for a car that looks as good as it is. For the asking price there's plenty of other cars out there that would out perform it (in all areas, not just straight line speed).

Edit:

While it promises to be fun to drive, the 86 is not a straight-line weapon, with a 0-100km/h time of 7.6 seconds for the manual. The automatic takes an extra 0.6 seconds.


8.2 seconds ... Miss Daisy would even get annoyed at that.
08:49pm 25/07/12 Permalink
Timmeh
Brisbane, Queensland
2372 posts
Saw one of these on the road today and looked pretty darn good.. then read here it does 0-100 in 7.6 seconds - how underwhelming for a car that looks as good as it is. For the asking price there's plenty of other cars out there that would out perform it (in all areas, not just straight line speed).Edit:8.2 seconds ... Miss Daisy would even get annoyed at that.

A 1989 MX5 can do 0-100 in 8.1, thats a 23 year old car.
09:13pm 25/07/12 Permalink
Jim
UK
13001 posts
stronger gearboxes are heavier

nah they don't have to be
09:26pm 25/07/12 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
17005 posts
40 more kgs? lol

09:46pm 25/07/12 Permalink
maRtz
Brisbane, Queensland
3733 posts

40+ kgs, (which doesn't sound like alot, but it makes a big difference)


well if your a fat c*** driver, how about shedding some kilo's too!
03:45am 26/07/12 Permalink
maRtz
Brisbane, Queensland
3734 posts
Wouldn't a heavier duty clutch and a stronger forged 1st gear be sufficient? Wouldn't turbo an auto though.
07:43am 26/07/12 Permalink
Rdizz
Germany
2074 posts
yes but you have to admit this is a car that has the aftermarket scene in mind also. Not every mid life crisis 40 year old woman that buys this thing would enjoy a heavy clutch with a notchy gear set..
07:53am 26/07/12 Permalink
arkter
Gold Coast, Queensland
878 posts
most important question.. will it sound like a wrxy if I put a cannon on it? bro? uleh?
07:59am 26/07/12 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
3056 posts
get a set of pea shooter and make it sound like a dak dak (beetle) that would be so much better
08:22am 26/07/12 Permalink
orbitor
Brisbane, Queensland
8884 posts
Why would toyota care about a turbo version? They're already selling these things like they're hotcakes. Obviously they've hit the right spot in the market.
12:45pm 26/07/12 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
17007 posts
that is the one draw back, apart from being slow

your car sounds like a vw under water if you put a bigger exhaust on it
12:49pm 26/07/12 Permalink
Ha
Brisbane, Queensland
270 posts
literally just got back from a test drive of the gts sports auto. it looks gorgeous, i've never liked automatics, but you can paddle shift the gears. the interior's leather is gorgeous. i'm six feet tall and had about 4-5 inches clear sitting in the bucket seat.

the handling is phenominal. the only thing i've driven that i can compare it to is the mx-5. and slow? i didn't notice. needless to say i'm buying one (manual though)

also, spoke to the salesman, toyota is collaborating with bmw for a 2 new sports cars, one of which is the supra. 2015 estimated arrival.
01:04pm 26/07/12 Permalink
Sc00bs
Brisbane, Queensland
8924 posts
the bmw supra is looking to be f*****g awesome.

Im hoping they dont use so much of the concept/bmw designs that ive seen and they use a more supra-like model
01:48pm 26/07/12 Permalink
Sc00bs
Brisbane, Queensland
8925 posts
dont see why they are bothering with a new mr2 tho, they where s*** back in the day and still are.
01:49pm 26/07/12 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
5871 posts
dont see why they are bothering with a new mr2 tho, they where s*** back in the day and still are.

They're not that bad i drive one occasionally, the old sw20 model. 2.0L turbo can't fit kids and has space in the boot and bonnet for your stuff.

Well the one i'm in has coilovers so it sticks well and wheels wider than your mum's arse so it's pretty stable, so i'm not sure if it's a good representation of stock ones.

God it's engine bay is s***house.
02:01pm 26/07/12 Permalink
Jerry
Queensland
4192 posts
went down to look at the car in person today..

yeah there's no way i'm going to be able to drive it and be comfortable. So while it looks cool - it's too far out of the practical barrier. I need the seat down to minimum height and fully extended to not have my head hit the roof or my knees hit the dash

if it was about 1.3x bigger it would be better for me
05:38pm 28/07/12 Permalink
Sc00bs
Brisbane, Queensland
8927 posts
:/ how gigantically tall are u jerry
06:44pm 28/07/12 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
5890 posts
If he's that tall, he's probably lost all the power to weight ratio anyway..
07:15pm 28/07/12 Permalink
Skitza
Brisbane, Queensland
9806 posts
Sat in a BRZ. It's so much better looking than the 86 lol

Also im about 185 and my head is very close if not touching the roof. Forget sitting in the back unless you are anorexic or a midget. Just getting into the back is a task. Gearshift is excellent, very low to the ground once inside.
08:40pm 28/07/12 Permalink
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