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F1 - Germany
Grimy
Brisbane, Queensland
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09:52pm 20/07/12 Permalink
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Nitro
Gold Coast, Queensland
2208 posts
I hate the gearbox rule. The FIA should penalize the team but not the driver's performance.
02:39pm 22/07/12 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
7212 posts
Why can't we just get away from all these bans on Aero development, gearboxes and engine caps, etc etc.
Make it a simple rule: The minimum weight of a car will be defined as 540kg plus 1kg for every EUR1m the team spends during that rolling year.
Teams can then go ans spend whatever the hell they want. If they think they can make a car competive by spending EUR400m, but which would require them to use a 940kg car - where we all know the fuel burn at a rate of 3kg per lap is worth about 0.3s/lap on most circuits - ie, it's a 0.1s/lap penalty per kg, then so be it.

Teams would very quickly find a balance performance and what they're willing to spend on development.
03:11pm 22/07/12 Permalink
scooby
Brisbane, Queensland
4490 posts
interesting raven, though surely all the expenses could just be laundered, so
a design company did X amount of aero development as a complimentary gift, just as a ferrari employee gave his 'friend' at the wind tunnel a gift of several million. lolz
03:39pm 22/07/12 Permalink
reload!
Brisbane, Queensland
6906 posts
Alonso on pole again!
Vettel/Webber 1/2 after his fezza breaks
07:35pm 22/07/12 Permalink
HeardY
Gaelic newb
Sydney, New South Wales
20735 posts
An FIA Technical Report on Sunday morning in Hockenheim has thrown the cat amongst the pigeons in F1 circles. The FIA Technical Delegate Jo Bauer reported that “having examinded the engine torque map of cars 1 and 2 it became apparent that the maximum torque output of both engines is significantly less in the mid rpm range than previously seen for these engines at other events”.

He went on “in my opinion this is therefore in breach of Article 5.5.3 of the Technical regulations as the engines are able to deliver more torque at a given engine speed in the mid rpm range. Furthermore this new torque map will artificially alter the aerodynamic characteristics of both cars which is also in contravention of TD 036-11.”

It is not clear what TD 036-11 is but one presumes it is a technical directive, or clarification.

Article 5.5.3 states that “The maximum accelerator pedal travel position must correspond to an engine torque demand equal to or greater than the maximum engine torque at the measured engine speed. The minimum accelerator pedal travel position must correspond to an engine torque demand equal to or lower than 0Nm.”

The FIA Stewards are now considering the matter.


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07:40pm 22/07/12 Permalink
scooby
Brisbane, Queensland
4491 posts
reload, webber 8th after gearbox change, youknowthis, sadface
07:40pm 22/07/12 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
7215 posts
interesting raven, though surely all the expenses could just be laundered, so
a design company did X amount of aero development as a complimentary gift, just as a ferrari employee gave his 'friend' at the wind tunnel a gift of several million. lolz

So just have independent valuations. Put in a rule that if I can't go out and buy whatever product or service for the same price they're claiming, they can't claim that price.
ie, it includes income from sponsorship.
08:55pm 22/07/12 Permalink
scooby
Brisbane, Queensland
4492 posts
holy smokes heardy - just found this

July 22, 2012 at 12:01 pm by Keith Collantine

Red Bull will not be penalised over their engine torque maps ahead of the German Grand Prix.

This article will be updated.


Good point raven. Would be cool. I liked A1GP for the fact that it was a spec chassis so the teams all had the same setup options to play with, made it a more even playing field for the drivers. but A1GP aint around no more :<
09:06pm 22/07/12 Permalink
HeardY
Gaelic newb
Sydney, New South Wales
20736 posts
09:12pm 22/07/12 Permalink
Python
Sydney, New South Wales
1566 posts
Alonso takes it!

11:43pm 22/07/12 Permalink
maryusdemetry
Sydney, New South Wales
20 posts
Well done Alonso for showing us once again why Australia's iWeb 2.0 does not deserve this year's title
07:45am 23/07/12 Permalink
reload!
Brisbane, Queensland
6907 posts
haters gonna hate
disappointing result although Alonso is really making a case for why he deserves it this year.
11:12am 23/07/12 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
16986 posts
it seems like the FIA should just develop 1 car and hand it out copies of it to all the teams
12:48pm 23/07/12 Permalink
Gesthemene
Brisbane, Queensland
1294 posts
Vettel's been punished after the race for that illegal overtake on JB. Has been slugged with a 20sec penalty that drops him from 2nd to 5th - http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2012/7/13629.html
01:36pm 23/07/12 Permalink
`ViPER`
Brisbane, Queensland
4129 posts
it seems like the FIA should just develop 1 car and hand it out copies of it to all the teams


I think they should just allow teams to sell car designs to other teams.

Would allow the smaller teams without the huge R&D budget to purchase a car from a well known team, like they do with engines.

I doubt the higher up teams would sell exactly what they use, but it would give the lower teams a good starting point.
01:50pm 23/07/12 Permalink
kappa
Brisbane, Queensland
1908 posts
it seems like the FIA should just develop 1 car and hand it out copies of it to all the teams

Yeah like A1 GP, and that's going great guns .....

There are plenty of cars on the grid this year capable of winning races. A lot more than previously.
02:22pm 23/07/12 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
7218 posts
I tend to agree they should be able to share and sell R&D, but on the proviso that anything sold can be purchased by any team at the same price.
Otherwise you'll end up with McLaren and Ferrari selling some fancy aero system to each other for $1, and charging $80m if STR want it.

I also believe the FIA should standardise the floors, front and rear wings.
I wouldn't be averse to them homologating the bodywork either. Back in the day, F1 development was supposed to promote road innovation. So much of what goes in to F1 no longer relates to road cars - it's money spent for the purpose of racing. That's not what F1 was supposed to be about. If what they're spending money on doesn't have a benefit to the automotive industry, it shouldn't be money needed to be spent.
02:34pm 23/07/12 Permalink
Twisted
Brisbane, Queensland
11715 posts
09:56pm 27/07/12 Permalink
Grimy
Brisbane, Queensland
431 posts
Cheers mate, great site that for live streaming.

Seems Web n Vet not happy with their cars, well off the pace...
08:59am 28/07/12 Permalink
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