A man handed around bourbon drinks while others pulled out spray cans and scrawled their grief on the footpath and tree stump.

i sped yesterday. pretty fast! i didn't die though so i'm wondering what i did wrong. no xr6 perhaps. if every k over the limit is a killer i'm just wondering where all the bodies are at? :D

speeding is likely to kill people other than just yourself.

innocent my arse, you get into a xr6 with an underage drunk roof tiler who aspires to be a rap-star, that has a recent speeding conviction, with FIVE OTHER PEOPLE, at a party, and then you hang out the window while he speeds along yelling and screaming and carrying on and doing the finger to the drivers behind you, you deserve what you get.

Young people are generally shit at risk assessment and evaluation. I remember some studies I found a while back about this but can't find them now.

The people in the OP are basically exact classic examples of all the things mentioned in this article

They are young and stupid, at that age they think they're invincible, there was probably a bit of peer pressure involved bla bla bla I could keep going on.. They don't deserve it..

There is a difference between young 17 year old inexperienced kids driving to that of much older experienced drivers.. I don't mind thrashing the old 350 around here and there, but I do it when I know it's safe to.

WTF, you can't have cars doing 80 on a highway, that would cause heaps of accidents.

I never drove with passengers in the car, I never even told anybody I HAD a car, I parked the motherfucker 3 blocks away.

There is a difference between young 17 year old inexperienced kids driving to that of much older experienced drivers.. I don't mind thrashing the old 350 around here and there, but I do it when I know it's safe to.

Isn't there already some curfew law that if you're on your Ps, you're not allowed to have passengers after like 10pm or something?

Also, that 'every k over is a killer' must be a QLD thing because I've never heard that and you guys are talking like you've been brainwashed. I like the road safety campaign in TAS - the slogan is , "Just like that". It goes along the lines of 'you do something wrong, you're dead - just like that'

and that's why you don't speed

How is that lol Jim?

You can't have cars driving on the same road but with different speed limits.

It might work on big 3-4+ lane highways, but 2 lanes... not a chance. I like to drive 100 in the left lane, so now I have to dodge a bunch of stupid P platers?

The left lane is 80km/hr, why would I move back into that lane?

but even as it stands right now there's always some wanker sitting in the right lane doing 100km/hr, it usually takes me a few horn beeps + high beams to get him to move but meh

There is a time and place for everything. As an ex-owner of a ~500rwhp supra (which i owned for 6 years 1.5 of which it was turbo and bought when i was 18),I only once had a close call and that was at 60km/h. It got from 0-200km/h in such a short amount of time I really had to think about where and when I wanted to give it the beans. The only time I really got to have fun in it was on midnight mountain runs and on the highway late at night. I would never open it up on roads with intersecting street where some dickhead could pull out while I'm on boost.

Just so you guys know, as a P plater, the one most dangerous thing that I do is get the shits when someone comes up my ass doing 20km/h above the speed limit. I panic, and have nearly hit the side railing twice on a curved road because when I try to get in the left hand lane I realise the cunt has already gone into that lane is accelerating again in my FUCKING BLIND SPOT so while I'm paying attention to that fuckwit I'm not focusing on the road ahead and my passenger is shitting herself as well and it's all a clutterfuck.

If I was forced to have people up my arse every 5 seconds I would crash the car in no time flat.

It's a stupid rule, and shouldn't be enforced.

Just think about that for a moment.

but even as it stands right now there's always some wanker sitting in the right lane doing 100km/hr, it usually takes me a few horn beeps + high beams to get him to move but meh

I panic, and have nearly hit the side railing twice on a curved road because when I try to get in the left hand lane I realise the cunt has already gone into that lane is accelerating again in my FUCKING BLIND SPOT so while I'm paying attention to that fuckwit I'm not focusing on the road ahead and my passenger is shitting herself as well and it's all a clutterfuck.

Also, that 'every k over is a killer' must be a QLD thing

Jim for your next drive just limit yourself to 80km.h and come back to QGL and tell us the huge success and how much more safe you feel, k?

there should be no "auto" license
if you can't drive stick, you can't drive for shit

I'm going to push you back into your own lane because at least in that scenario you're at fault and you have to pay to fix my car

Yeah well I reckon everyone should have to learn to drive a steam engine and be able to shovel coal into a furnace while they drive!

You're from the past dude.

There is no such thing as an "auto licence", my license is exactly the same as anybody else's. No I've never driven a manual, had access to one, or see any reason that the added burden of using old technology makes you better at driving, if anything it's just another distraction for you. Manual transmission, and the idea of gears in general, is a limitation of the technology, not an added benefit.

basically they should never be in a position to kill passengers for starters, and should only be allowed to drive during daylight. kids (anyone under 25) do not have spacial capacity and maturity to drive safely.

I have an auto license it was no easier, had to do the same test to get my lisense as others, I have a keen interest in cars drive a decent one and know all about its inner workings, Engine breaking? mine does it automatically.

Riddle me this, if you can avoid a crash with another car but it means that you yourself will have to potentially damage your vehicle, what would you do?

Hurts my chest just thinking about it.

1. Anyone who calls it "engine" braking is a poser who doesn't truly understand it. It's *compression* braking, not 'engine' braking.

No one's mentioned here but one of the most effective things drivers should be made to is a defensive driving course

two hands on the wheel buddy!

if it's just me i use the other hand for the wheel and one arm on the window, cool cunt style.

i disagree. memory retention of a two-day course is very low, and it just gives the driver the illusion that they know what they are doing.

Insurance companies have lowered premiums for those who take these courses (they don't do this unless it's warranted) and a quick google shows they have been linked to reduced accident rates.

1. Anyone who calls it "engine" braking is a poser who doesn't truly understand it. It's *compression* braking, not 'engine' braking.

that doesn't disprove what i said.

I hate those fucks who merge onto the hiway and are going well below the speed limit, even though there is a dotted line at the end of the merge lane meaning they need to give way, they bloody pull out anyway resulting on you slowing down to let them in going to slow...

In most cases this enables a driver to find a safe gap in the traffic and then change lanes into it. It is also common practice, and recommended by Queensland Transport, that drivers already on the freeway exercise courtesy and allow space for drivers trying to enter the freeway, either by adjusting their speed or changing lanes.

thats only a problem if you don't have a turbo

so why are you complaining about the tiny merge distances? :)

and during the time I drove it I sure learned to hate the fuck out of manual cars

Also, triptronic transmissions. that's hardly high tech, is it?

i'm pretty sure that driving retards will be driving retard regardless of transmission

the only time I was ever in the back of a police car, I wasn't handcuffed
hence, I'm awesome

is a P plater doing 80? Swerve off the road and hit a tree? Run up the P platers ass?

Oh and I think P-Platers should be restricted, just because you passed the licence test doesn't mean you can 'drive'. And pulling out the 'it's not safe for others' is a load of shit.

This paper presents evidence that speed laws should be viewed as devices for coordinating speed, not just limiting it. Both the slow driver and the fast one impose negative externalities on the median driver. Apparently, this is a novel conclusion: all current safety campaigns emphasise that "speed kills". They imply that the slower driver is the virtuous once and is helping protect himself and other drivers. It isn't so. To reduce fatalities, it is important that everyone drive at about the same speed. Thus the major consideration in choosing a speed limit is that it be obeyed. And the major consideration for the police is to reduce variance, not speed, because slow drivers are as much a public hazard as fast ones.

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Although I have found no statistically discernable effect from speed, per se, this does not necessarily imply that it is safe to raise the speed limit, for we do not know what effect a higher limit would have on the speed variance. In the twelve data sets examined, there is generally a negative correlation between average speed and speed variance (8 negative, 3 positive and one 0.0); but I take these correlations to be suggestive rather than predictive

this thread is so lol. i've seen a handful of reasonable posts

Ask yourself if there is a significant difference bewteen 80km/h and 110km/h.

120hours MINIMUM before you can go for your license, and for your first year you can't have anyone between 18-21 in the car with you after 8pm (or something along those lines).

Don't forget that it's velocity^2 in kinetic energy, so there's a huge diff.

The Peltzman effect may be true, but take a 17 year old who's going to drift sideways through an intersection, they're going to do it regardless if the car has airbags or not.

Contradicted yourself, sort of :) If the 17 year old is going to do it regardless, the research would suggest that they will take the corner slightly faster (for example) if they have an airbag.

Personally I think that awareness is to be practiced at all speeds. Limiting me to 80 will just restrict the amount of learning I can do, and make me a more dangerous driver once I get my Ps off. (ie; congrats, you've finished your Ps, now try and get on a 110 road and do something you've never practiced before!)

give us a reference for once.