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Can anyone recommend Network CCTV cams
do0b
Brisbane, Queensland
4410 posts

Hi as per subject i am chasing some IP cams, they need to be IR + POE and under $300

theres so many choices on google, ebay etc..

any products/places people can recommend?

tia
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Denominator
Brisbane, Queensland
950 posts
G for that price I would want ptz aswell.

I paid $150 for http://www.kiirie.com/Products.asp?id=81 a while ago the camera works they have cheaper ones too just email them for prices.
09:27am 29/08/12 Permalink
unclebobsticle
Sunshine Coast, Queensland
162 posts
Geovision and Vivotek are both sold by Altech, I have only personally used the Geovision ones. Cant complain about them at all. Had the usual faulty couple due t o water (bad installation) but that's about it. Not sure what they are selling for these days as I dont have an account with them any more.
09:54am 29/08/12 Permalink
foolix
Brisbane, Queensland
141 posts
also can anyone recommend any decent software to use with them?
09:56am 29/08/12 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
7323 posts
I'll be looking to buy a system to install in my new house as well, but when I looked at them at the home show there was a variety of options ranging from $1200 to $2500 for four-camera set-ups.

In addition to the cameras, does anyone want to recommend a dedicated DVR that also does the "normal" stuff these days like streaming to remote locations, remote access/viewing, tagging motion-sensed sections of video tracks, playback etc?
01:24pm 29/08/12 Permalink
parabol
Brisbane, Queensland
7216 posts
Hi as per subject i am chasing some IP cams, they need to be IR + POE and under $300

I use a Foscam FI8910W ($115):

http://store.mangocam.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=67

Not the highest resolution but can view live footage from my android phone, as well as have the motion detection feature trigger an email of photos, etc. Good for keeping an eye on the house, but it depends what your application is (the same site sells more outdoor-y units as well)

The 720p version is a day or two away:

http://store.mangocam.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=91

last edited by parabol at 13:32:40 29/Aug/12
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Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
13647 posts
Thanks for that supplier, parabol, looks good.
02:43pm 29/08/12 Permalink
greazy
Brisbane, Queensland
5542 posts
ask matchfixa lol
02:45pm 29/08/12 Permalink
Jerry
Queensland
4216 posts
Geovision and Vivotek are both sold by Altech, I have only personally used the Geovision ones. Cant complain about them at all. Had the usual faulty couple due t o water (bad installation) but that's about it. Not sure what they are selling for these days as I dont have an account with them any more.


in terms of IP cameras they still sell vivotek and geovision (and megapixel versions too) - between $250-$300 there is a few 2MP IP cameras or more 1.3MP ones below (just looking @ geovision/vivotek prices.. haven't used. - my CCTV setup is analogue, so no review here)

do0b, bear in mind that the MP ones are 30fps 1280 x 1024 res for 1.3MP, and 30fps 1920 x 1080 for 2MP - so you will obviously pay more for this than the <$100 0.3MP ones with 15fps 640 x 480. Deciding on which to get should be determined by what detail you need to capture and at what distance

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mental
Brisbane, Queensland
3466 posts
In addition to the cameras, does anyone want to recommend a dedicated DVR that also does the "normal" stuff these days like streaming to remote locations, remote access/viewing, tagging motion-sensed sections of video tracks, playback etc?


When I heard about the Raspberry Pi that was the sort of thing I would imagine it being great at.
05:40pm 29/08/12 Permalink
Jerry
Queensland
4217 posts
In addition to the cameras, does anyone want to recommend a dedicated DVR that also does the "normal" stuff these days like streaming to remote locations, remote access/viewing, tagging motion-sensed sections of video tracks, playback etc?
depends on budget and setup type (i.e. all analogue, all IP).

I used a geovision 8ch pci card + geovision's software 8 years ago running on a windows machine and it was great back then (ran it for about 6 years).. so it's probably much better now and they have Network DVR's (which support 3rd party cameras).

Eventually to reduce power consumption I got a 8ch DVR off ebay which can do most of things you described for $100. It is stable and works well, based on linux, the remote (activex browser controls) side of it is a bit s*** but does the job. But being a fully analogue camera setup I can only imagine that things would be much nicer with a fully networked (cameras+nvr) setup..

If possible i'd avoid any wireless cameras since they can be jammed. I would/did a DIY job on it too (rather than packaged) which can save you a lot of money if you have the time to research and setup.
06:04pm 29/08/12 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
7329 posts
Give some options. Considering I've been looking at $1200-$2500 anyway for a 4 camera system, I'm happy to look at options in that range.

Preference is to digital >=720p cameras. PoE is a nice-to-have.

I *do not* want a PC running sofware/cards to do the trick, I'll only look at dedicated hardware.
06:31pm 29/08/12 Permalink
Jerry
Queensland
4218 posts
Give some options. Considering I've been looking at $1200-$2500 anyway for a 4 camera system, I'm happy to look at options in that range.
Preference is to digital >=720p cameras. PoE is a nice-to-have.
I *do not* want a PC running sofware/cards to do the trick, I'll only look at dedicated hardware.


Note: I haven't listed any of the below based on personal experience with the specific equipment listed, just suggesting as ideas for raven to start looking.

Alright, rather than pricing up geovision stuff from altech I just did a quick ebay search for NVR and set it to >$100. With the NVR's I guess the biggest purchase risk over analogue setups is whether or not all IP cameras will be compatible - so find this out early on as your NVR choice may influence your cameras choice.

If I was setting up a system again i'd start compiling a list of whats available and compare the features for price. There is a some well known brands with NVRs in the >$1000 range (e.g. qnap, samsung). The thing with geovision is while they have hardware NVR's ready to go - it is easily cheaper to buy the software and put a pc together for it. Minimal price for their 'lite' NVR (hardware) would be $800~. Vivotek have NR8201, 4ch NVR around the $600~ range (altech).

In terms of cameras I guess you'd need to decide on what the chosen NVR will support and go from there. It seems that most megapixel IP cameras will support POE and you could get an injector cheap for them as required.

Exploring other NVR's to look into:

- $274 Compro 4-channel NVR Network upto720 only (ebay, au)

- $307 Edimax NVR-4 4ch (ebay, o/s)

- $611 Compro 8ch NVR H.264 upto 1080 (ebay, au)

- $600 16CH No-name NVR, 8@720, 4@1080 (ebay, usa)

- $650~ QSee QC804-1 4ch NVR (upto 1080) with 2x720 cameras (ebay usa)

- $700 AVerMedia EH1008H 8ch (ebay usa)

- $830~ QNAP VS-2008 8ch NVR (eyo.com.au)


- $1100 (6 camera+nvr kit) 6xAVN801 1.3MP cameras + 1xAVH306 NVR (upto 1080)
(ebay link)
and More info on AVN801 cameras
and More details and standalone price on AVH306
and More details and standalone price on AVN801


Oh and while you have a plan in your head, this is a good diagram to explain the outcome of setting up a fully IP camera setup (except where using a video server to convert analogue.. another option for camera choice):

http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp331/is410000/EDIMAX/NVR-4-2.jpg

last edited by Jerry at 22:23:55 29/Aug/12
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skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
6045 posts
Somehow having my NVR as my router to the internet doesn't make sense.

Just saying. My router will port forward my NVR's port to access it's precious stream from afar sure, but it itself isn't a router like your fantastic diagram suggests.
10:29pm 29/08/12 Permalink
Jerry
Queensland
4219 posts
I didn't draw it, but I think you'll find it's a simplified diagram as a router (or even modem) are not shown.

If you were being sarcastic then... haha
10:39pm 29/08/12 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
6048 posts
You sure got that right! But seriously, it doesn't sit between everything on my network and the internet. Just suggesting that it's mostly a pic for marketing which makes no real sense in a network topology.

Here's my pic

(PC)-----------------------|
(Tablet)- - - - - - - - - -|
(phone)- - - - - - - - - - |-[ROUTER]-> Internet
(NVR)----------------------|
(Webserver)----------------|
(printer)- - - - - - - - - |

Key:
- - - - - : has no external link (no port forward) through to external networks
----------: has external link (port forwarded) through to external networks
| : switch



Maybe..

edit missing the 'video server' which has to submit the stream it seems in my diagram :D
10:54pm 29/08/12 Permalink
Red
Sydney, New South Wales
1004 posts
Hah how funny that I see this thread AFTER buying one of these:

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/251039432044?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

Which I presume is a cheap chinese knockoff (since these are indeed made in china) of one of these:

http://store.mangocam.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=33&product_id=50

All I can say is, for the $57 it's not bad, but you can't watch live video while connected with wifi, the cpu can't take it and the camera crashes. Also the software is atrocious. But for a little bit of fun it was well worth it. I have been spying on the pets and maybe plan to mount it outside to watch the front yard but the requirement of a network cable is making me rethink that.
01:56am 30/08/12 Permalink
parabol
Brisbane, Queensland
7217 posts
All I can say is, for the $57 it's not bad, but you can't watch live video while connected with wifi, the cpu can't take it and the camera crashes.

The Foscam cameras are one of the most copied/cloned ones on the market. I'm almost certain you got a fake. Some of the fakes have even cloned the Foscam packaging - the only way to avoid one is to buy from a known official reseller (like Mangocam).

Last I checked mine had an uptime of over 3 months and was streaming over WiFi exclusively without missing a beat. One bug is that the camera stops responding to ARP packets randomly, so it appears to crash. However it's still working, but other computers don't know it's there. A quick fix is to add a static ARP entry on your router for the camera, and then all is well.
09:23am 30/08/12 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
7330 posts
It's more likely that I would put all the IP cameras on their own isolated physical network, with a single port allowed access to the 2821. The DVR would sit on the same side of that network, allowing it to be completely isolated from all other data and VoIP/SIP traffic.

In terms of cameras I guess you'd need to decide on what the chosen NVR will support and go from there. It seems that most megapixel IP cameras will support POE and you could get an injector cheap for them as required.

That's pretty cool - I'll keep that in mind... but I'll be running a Cisco PoE NM, so it will probably be largely unnecessary.
Matt is keen on using RouterBoard gear rather than Cisco though.

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10:06am 30/08/12 Permalink
Red
Sydney, New South Wales
1005 posts
The Foscam cameras are one of the most copied/cloned ones on the market. I'm almost certain you got a fake. Some of the fakes have even cloned the Foscam packaging - the only way to avoid one is to buy from a known official reseller (like Mangocam).


Don't get me wrong, I realised I was getting the world's cheapest worst knockoff, but that's ok.

It's quite interesting to watch the ping times go from 1-2ms sitting normally and then going up to 300-500ms while watching live video then about 40 seconds later, crash.
01:03pm 30/08/12 Permalink
HerbalLizard
Brisbane, Queensland
5584 posts
Highly recommend http://www.zoneminder.com/ simple and works

If money is no object then mobotix camera's are the go for sure
09:35pm 30/08/12 Permalink
do0b
Brisbane, Queensland
4411 posts
i need 2 cams that will plug into a raptor environet to monitor a server room in auckland so distance isn't as important as IR and probably 720p
06:20am 31/08/12 Permalink
Denominator
Brisbane, Queensland
951 posts
Raven

Just buy something like http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/HDC632-With-POE-with-SD-Card-Recording-Varifocal-Lens-2megapixel-IP-camera-resolution-to-1600-1200/608234_565366942.html

They do motion detection on set areas so you can point it out the front door and if it detect someones feet it will start recording, not every time someone drives past. On some of the cameras they have an alarm input so you can hook it up to the doorbell so it take a photo every time someone rings the door bell.

I have a couple of camera's from Kiirie you can stick a sd card on them and just have them record that way if you put a small ups on your poe switch and someone turn's your power off you will still get an alert. They also sell 4 channel pvr's for as little as $50. it all comes from china anyway so you might as well buy direct.
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