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My Thecus N7700 is no more. Recommend me NAS
Jimbo
Brisbane, Queensland
886 posts

So my s*** thecus n7700 has died and a quick bit of research reveals its not uncommon for the mainboard to get cancer and drown in a pool of its own faeces. The data looks like it can only be recovered by another thecus n7700 and that may not even work (exclusing the expensive guys in white lab coats). Please correct me if you know how to get my porn off these drives without investing in another piece of s*** n7700 that is only mildly more reliable than the queensland health payroll department.

Part the second: What is a good alternative for NAS? Im thinking maybe just runnin a box with a raid controller. Is this the way to do it? Are there better alternatives?

Thanks in advance.
03:01pm 15/08/12 Permalink
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Jim
UK
13040 posts
it's linux software raid - you can read the array from practically any linux box that has the ability to connect that many drives at once
03:29pm 15/08/12 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
8145 posts
Speaking of Linux software RAIDs I have a problem with mine. Under heavy disk IO the entire thing just locks up and I have to power cycle to get it back again. The RAID then also has to go through a rebuild..

Everything updated, CentOS 6, WD 2Tb drives and no errors in smartctl.
04:00pm 15/08/12 Permalink
Space Ninja
Sydney, New South Wales
3554 posts
I'm about to buy one of these http://web.qnap.com/pro_detail_feature.asp?p_id=212 with 4x 3TB HDDS - comes in at about $1250 delivered

I thought about doing the HP Microserver route and then decided to f*** that and go this way instead.
04:04pm 15/08/12 Permalink
boba
Cainer
Brisbane, Queensland
3725 posts
04:43pm 15/08/12 Permalink
IVY_MiKe
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory
1200 posts
I went the road of the HP Microserver and opted for 'storage pooling' instead of RAID.

It's made of win and excellence.
F*** storing 12+TB of storage at the whim of a RAID controller... if the HPMS dies tomorrow I can access ALL of my data spanned across 4x3TB disks. If I lose 1 of those 3TB's sure the data on it is lost, but I also have the option to 'duplicate' only data I consider essential across as few or as many of the physical disks in the pool as I wish.

It provides me a single target for storage that is as flexible as I want it to be, and provide me as much (or as little) redundancy as I want.

w/o HDD's it came to less than $300. Performance isn't break-neck but as it serves <5users this isn't an issue at all.
05:32pm 15/08/12 Permalink
BoDGie
Brisbane, Queensland
586 posts
+1 for HP Microserver

I've got 5x3TB + 250GB OS drive in mine
05:56pm 15/08/12 Permalink
thermite
Brisbane, Queensland
10018 posts
I also went down the proliant HP microserver route. I run freenas 8 with mirrored ZFS storage
06:09pm 15/08/12 Permalink
HeardY
Gaelic newb
Sydney, New South Wales
20787 posts
I bought my HP Micro Server months ago and still haven't bought drives.... I really should get onto that.
07:27pm 15/08/12 Permalink
DecayingCorpse
Brisbane, Queensland
2070 posts
qnap 869.

i've got two 859's. qnap's are good. buy one.
08:04pm 15/08/12 Permalink
HerbalLizard
Brisbane, Queensland
5572 posts
2 Micro servers left out of 3
1 runs Solaris SE11 with ZFS and 8GB of ram + napp-it
1 run clearos 6.2 community at work as my sneakernet nas

More than likey going to sell them all and get a couple of msa70 chassis for my main virtual host

08:47pm 15/08/12 Permalink
eXemplar
Brisbane, Queensland
2786 posts
If space or physical hardware features aren't what you require in a nas, I'd seriously recommend building your own with a mini itx mobo with a low end intel cpu and a hunk of ram, a case like this (with expansion slots for any raid cards), and using a distro that natively supports ZFS (tho I guess you're stuck with whatever raid you've got setup if you don't have any other drives you can get a hold of to copy stuff off).

Alternatively you could buy a qnap and replace the DOM to run your own distro, but it'll be a little pricy and a fair bit underspecced compared to the above (but it will still do the job unless you do anything demanding like transcoding).
08:57pm 15/08/12 Permalink
Crusher
Sydney, New South Wales
1176 posts
I stoppsed using Thecus, these days I sell synology and qnap
09:20pm 15/08/12 Permalink
Jayman
Brisbane, Queensland
738 posts
The Synology stuff seems to have an awesome ui/interface. I've been temped to get the 8bay one for a while. Rocking on with a Microserver atm though with 5x2TB and a 500g momentus XT I used to have in my laptop. I envy the expandability of the dedicated NAS boxes though. Is there anything that can expand raids to add new disks software wise as easy as the dedicated boxes?

That said... with an unlimited internet plan plus usenet + sick beard + couch potato, I just delete stuff if I need space and it's easy enough to get back what I want in no time if I'm missing it. I probably don't need more storage.
09:46pm 15/08/12 Permalink
Crusher
Sydney, New South Wales
1177 posts
Synology disk IO is pretty great for a small NAS, they are generally faster than teh equivalent qnap. The qnap iscsi implementation is more robust though, synology can be a little buggy.

I have a qnap 4 bay rack mount with 4 x 3tb in R10 in our colo rack, I can clone a 40gb VM onto it in about 3 mins.
09:59pm 15/08/12 Permalink
Crusher
Sydney, New South Wales
1178 posts
PS dont use WD non ES series drives in a NAS, they have error checking disabled and will error out of the array over time. Seagate or Hitachi drives instead.
10:00pm 15/08/12 Permalink
Mordecai
Victoria
1414 posts
04:32pm 16/08/12 Permalink
Skitza
Brisbane, Queensland
9816 posts
Synology or gtfo. hese things HAMMER! Will not buy anything else, ever again.

^ I have 5 of those seagates in my synology and they are awesome! Cannot go wrong!
09:15pm 16/08/12 Permalink
TiT
Brisbane, Queensland
5062 posts
QNAP and synology are pretty on par with each other but the snology is little cheaper going to be buying this bad boy very soon! http://www.synology.com/products/product.php?product_name=DS1812%2B〈=enu
10:07pm 16/08/12 Permalink
Skitza
Brisbane, Queensland
9817 posts
^ nice.

I have a Thecus sitting there doing absolutely zero cause its the biggest pos on earth.
10:26pm 16/08/12 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
13593 posts
I have an HP Microserver as well with four WD Caviar Blacks in it and the POS 250GB HDD drive that came with it still in there with Ubuntu on. Does the job, no complaints.
10:36pm 16/08/12 Permalink
Eds
Brisbane, Queensland
9945 posts
I have two QNAP 659 Pro's and love them.
One is loaded with WD green drives for storage and the other has hitachi enterprise disks for the esxi environment.
09:37am 17/08/12 Permalink
Superform
Netherlands
7495 posts
i'm about to buy 2 qnap 259 pro's for a thing i'm selling

they seem ok, the idea is one will be on site and the other will be off site and one will back up the office then rsync to the offsite one
04:12pm 17/08/12 Permalink
Jerry
Queensland
4202 posts
i just bought a

- ASRock / A75 itx m/b (4x sata 3, 4x usb3, amd FM1 socket)
- AMD A4-3400 Dual Core FM1, 2.7GHz, TDP65w
- 8gb ram
- Chenbro ES34169 Mini ITX Server Chassis with 4 Bay Hot-Swap
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All for less than the cost of a HP Microserver, and far more powerful.

Have 1 hdd in while installing, and power metre says 32w.
Installing linux as i write this..
only issue I had (others of similar setup also had) was with while trying to install the monitor kept turning off (some graphical bootloader and driver and AMD APU related issue.) - I switched from vga to hdmi (different monitor) and it works.

http://www.chenbro.com/assets/2012/07/31/systn4541142386.jpg
10:37pm 17/08/12 Permalink
TiT
Brisbane, Queensland
5066 posts
^^^ really cheaper then HP??? when i was looking that case cost $399 just for the case!
11:18pm 17/08/12 Permalink
Jerry
Queensland
4204 posts
^^^ really cheaper then HP??? when i was looking that case cost $399 just for the case!


cheapest I could find the HP N40L was $300+$15 post.

- The Chenbro case was the most expensive part of this at $140 (but included psu, so that lightens it a bit)
- The m/b is $65**
- The APU is $60
- 8gb ram $45 (could be less if used less ram)
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$310, no waiting on post
** i got the m/b on the cheap, add $25~ for normal price

The whole system could be another $50+ cheaper if the case wasn't a big factor (i.e. NAS-style front loading and super compact).
It is a really nice case though, cables all routed to mb area, easy loading of drives, has a tamper switch too which i'm going to wire to an alarm.

It has an inbuilt card reader in the front - but when considering running linux on SD or USB in that compartment, the door can't close/lock. So i'm just taking away 40gb from a 3tb hd for the system and home partitions.

last edited by Jerry at 23:53:12 17/Aug/12

last edited by Jerry at 23:53:48 17/Aug/12
11:46pm 17/08/12 Permalink
Skitza
Brisbane, Queensland
9818 posts
heh you noobs overpaid. I got all my N36L's for 199 delivered :P thaaaaanks HP

ps they are awesome.
01:12am 18/08/12 Permalink
Jerry
Queensland
4207 posts
yay, my server 'room' is looking more complete.

setup is getting around 100mb/s according to windows file transfer

http://def.net.au/stuff/svroom.jpg

http://def.net.au/stuff/svxfer.jpg

last edited by Jerry at 10:35:19 19/Aug/12
10:31am 19/08/12 Permalink
HerbalLizard
Brisbane, Queensland
5575 posts
Hey jerry if you ditch that switch and opt for something with lacp and get a couple of cheapo dual nics you could get that to well over 150

06:54am 20/08/12 Permalink
Jim
UK
13054 posts
pretty sure a *single connection* will still only traverse one nic with lacp, you'd need to use round robin bonding
09:14am 20/08/12 Permalink
Jayman
Brisbane, Queensland
741 posts
i just bought a

- ASRock / A75 itx m/b (4x sata 3, 4x usb3, amd FM1 socket)
- AMD A4-3400 Dual Core FM1, 2.7GHz, TDP65w
- 8gb ram
- Chenbro ES34169 Mini ITX Server Chassis with 4 Bay Hot-Swap
---
All for less than the cost of a HP Microserver, and far more powerful.

Have 1 hdd in while installing, and power metre says 32w.
Installing linux as i write this..
only issue I had (others of similar setup also had) was with while trying to install the monitor kept turning off (some graphical bootloader and driver and AMD APU related issue.) - I switched from vga to hdmi (different monitor) and it works.

http://www.chenbro.com/assets/2012/07/31/systn4541142386.jpg


Can that fit more than 4 drives? Microserver can fit 6x3.5 if you're not using the 5.25 bay. The extra grunt would be nice though.
04:24pm 20/08/12 Permalink
Jerry
Queensland
4209 posts
Hey jerry if you ditch that switch and opt for something with lacp and get a couple of cheapo dual nics you could get that to well over 150
sounds like more effort than benefit for home..


Can that fit more than 4 drives? Microserver can fit 6x3.5 if you're not using the 5.25 bay. The extra grunt would be nice though.


There is provision for a 2.5" and slim ODD also - which could probably be used for another 2.5" (there were some brackets with the case that may have provision for 3.5" there also). The board only has 4 internal sata3 ports so the case is sufficient. The board is capable of 5 sata3 devices though via 4 internal and 1 esata port, and x* number of 5bgps devices over the onboard 4xusb3 ports. * (i've had some usb3 cards die from heavily simultaneously using multiple drives on the same card so i'll limit this)

For now there is 2x2tb, 1x3tb internal and 1x(2x2tb)=4tb usb3 raid external on the icybox next to the case. I still have allowance for another internal and external sata drive as a minimum.
08:42pm 20/08/12 Permalink
HerbalLizard
Brisbane, Queensland
5576 posts
sounds like more effort than benefit for home..
Very true but where is the fun in that

08:45pm 20/08/12 Permalink
Whoop
Brisbane, Queensland
20454 posts
sounds like more effort than benefit for home..
so does that rats nest of wires there.

cable management. STAT!
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