jmr
Brisbane, Queensland
7251 posts
Anyone here interested in wiring a house with Cat-6 for a media setup?
Got a mate that needs someone
Gotta get in soon because the walls are currently exposed and won't be for too long
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Scooter
Brisbane, Queensland
4699 posts
If the walls are exposed it shouldn't be too difficult a task to do himself...
No, it's not illegal. If he was to try to connect it to the outside box/network, then it would be.
In-Home network you are allowed to do yourself.
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iTOM
Brisbane, Queensland
1055 posts
no walls? fuck yeha, easiest job ever!
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Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
5733 posts
Even if he can't get someone to crimp it and he's not confident there, get him to at least run the cable to where he wants it to go. Then someone can just come in and terminate the connectors if the walls go up at that point.
Also, make sure he runs more cables than he needs right now.
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Opec
Brisbane, Queensland
7287 posts
Run optical fibre everywhere, that way you'll never have to upgrade ever again.
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casa
Brisbane, Queensland
4195 posts
 Wired my house just recently with Cat6, was the easiest thing I've done currently in my renos (except crawling under my house) - still wasnt that bad.
Unsheeted walls are a real treat, too.
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teq
Brisbane, Queensland
11402 posts
just tell him to go to ideal electrical or haymens and pickup a box of cat6 solid core + cable clips (like this-> http://www.4cabling.com.au/product_images/v/352/nail_clip_2__94508_zoom.jpg <-)
run it himself, leave at least 50mm between electrical and his cat6 where ever possible, make sure he leaves enough of a loop for a pro to come in and terminate them onto krone keys later, 300mm would be heaps for the loop
when the plaster guys come in to do there thing they should punch the holes where the sparky has marked for electrical outlets, so just mark the data in the same way |
IVY_MiKe
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory
417 posts
no walls? fuck yeha, easiest job ever!
This.
Seriously, easiest fucking job ever, also, TAKE PHOTO'S OF THE ELECTRICALS IN THE WALLS BEFORE HE PLASTERS...
It makes for a boring but INFORMATIVE photo album should he want to modify anything down the line
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Obes
Brisbane, Queensland
9245 posts
Since you won't be doing it to cat6 standards.
Just buy cat5e and save money.
Cat6 has lods of requirements.
No more than 0.5" untwisted.
No plastic cable ties only fabric velcro or special plastic coated stables, supported at random gaps between 200 and 300mm.
etc etc etc etc
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Splash
Brisbane, Queensland
2672 posts
If the walls are exposed it shouldn't be too difficult a task to do himself...
No, it's not illegal. If he was to try to connect it to the outside box/network, then it would be.
In-Home network you are allowed to do yourself.
It is illegal actually.
http://www.acma.gov.au/WEB/STANDARD/pc=PC_300153
All customer cabling work in the telecommunications, fire, security and data industries must be performed by a registered cabler. This includes all fixed cabling that connects to, or is intended to be connected to the telecommunications network. All data network systems that connect to or may be connected in the future to the telecommunications network are included in this requirement.
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Ivonin
Brisbane, Queensland
667 posts
Since you won't be doing it to cat6 standards.
Just buy cat5e and save money.
Cat6 has lods of requirements.
No more than 0.5" untwisted.
No plastic cable ties only fabric velcro or special plastic coated stables, supported at random gaps between 200 and 300mm.
etc etc etc etc
Posting like FaceMan... <.<
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Scooter
Brisbane, Queensland
4707 posts
This includes all fixed cabling that connects to, or is intended to be connected to the telecommunications network.
Media, Home, Network.
Even if he was going to connect it to a router. He's connecting it to the router, it's the routed that's being connected to the telecommunications network.
Thanks for playing.
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Splash
Brisbane, Queensland
2673 posts
doesn't matter, it's still illegal
All data network systems that connect to or may be connected in the future to the telecommunications network are included in this requirement
I'm not saying he shouldn't do it, but he should be aware that it is illegal and can face pretty massive fines if ACMA decide they want to have a look at his house (unlikely) |
Boxhead
Brisbane, Queensland
12207 posts
Or his insurance could be ruled null and void..
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And good luck selling the house down the track if you have a savvy buyer
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deadlyf
Queensland
1904 posts
doesn't matter, it's still illegal "May be connected" is based on intent, i.e. if you run an extra wire that you might not need but it may be connected in the future. According to your assertions it's illegal to use cat 5 as speaker cabling or to hang yourself with because "it may be connected to the carrier network".
Also, probably because you signed a binding contract with Apple saying you wouldn't.
Also ACMA can't just decide to look in your house.
But if they did, I support your right to defend yourself and your property.
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jmr
Brisbane, Queensland
7261 posts
Well this has got out of hand hasn't it
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Zylox
Brisbane, Queensland
1479 posts
DecayingCorpse
Brisbane, Queensland
1823 posts
not long cabled my place with cat6, got my neighbour who is a licensed cabler and a leccy to run the cable thru walls and in the roof. that satisfied ACMA/insurance ect...
i terminated the leads coz my neighbour hates doing it, and i also cheated by getting dual wall plates and running the cat6 out thru the same holes as the aerials and phone points to minimize the holes chopped.
its prolly not cat6 certified, but i don't care. its a shitload faster than wireless and neater that running a lead along the floor, and 4cabling are cheap!@
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Splash
Brisbane, Queensland
2674 posts
You can interpret the part I quoted however you like, but the fact is it's still illegal.
If the cabling is run through a wall, ceiling, floor or crawl space, it must be installed by a registered cabler.
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DecayingCorpse
Brisbane, Queensland
1824 posts
also got a 4cabling 24port cat6 patch panel that i didn't end up using.
$20 and its yours :)
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teq
Brisbane, Queensland
11409 posts
And good luck selling the house down the track if you have a savvy buyer
as long as he follows standard practices, it won't be a problem
fwiw I'm technically an open reg cabler, I don't do it for a job fulltime or anything - I've done some for my boss and in my own home, but I went through the same course any tradie would do, trust me when I say it's a piece of cake to get it right
grab a copy of AS/ACIF S009:2006 and hit page ~123 for minimum separation distance between services, that'd be a good start
http://www.commsalliance.com.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0009/2421/S009_2006r.pdf
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TiT
Brisbane, Queensland
4313 posts
When attaching the network cord to the wall jack what standard do I use A or B?
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natslovR
Sydney, New South Wales
7350 posts
My quick googling before i wired mine up as B told me A is used on only a few very specific situations.
But since the wires are straight through it doesn't matter as long as you are consistent.
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HerbalLizard
Brisbane, Queensland
5076 posts
I always wire to A pin out
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Obes
Brisbane, Queensland
9267 posts
But since the wires are straight through it doesn't matter as long as you are consistent.
Why bother with more expensive cat6 cable and connectors if you are going to half ass it like that ?
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teq
Brisbane, Queensland
11429 posts
it would make 0 difference if he used the B standard assuming he uses it everywhere
also your chances of buying a cheap cat6 cable off ebay and it being A or B are 50/50, so really unless you make all of your own cables or buy them all from one source, you're going to run into that problem anyway
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Intergage
Brisbane, Queensland
596 posts
Is it just me or is cat6 way to expensive for what it does?
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natslovR
Sydney, New South Wales
7351 posts
Why bother with more expensive cat6 cable and connectors if you are going to half ass it like that ?
How is that half ass? I've consistently deployed cat6 'B' connections across my house. I went with the most common deployed standard (acc: google), and wikipedia recons there's no difference: "Connectors use either T568A or T568B pin assignments; the choice is arbitrary provided both ends of a cable are the same.".
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Red
Sydney, New South Wales
785 posts
What about the fact that it says "All customer cabling work in the telecommunications, fire, security and data industries..."?
Pardon my squirrelly ignorance but the way I read it if you're being paid by someone to install it and are unlicensed then it'd be illegal but if you're doing it for yourself, wouldn't that be ok?
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Obes
Brisbane, Queensland
9278 posts
assuming he uses it everywhere
Which he won't
How is that half ass?
A vs B your right it doesn't matter, and the patch leads don't really matter if they are A or B. But for a novice installing it, it is a very small leap from not caring if it is A or B to as long as the colours are the same at each who cares ??@!?@!
Is it just me or is cat6 way to expensive for what it does?
Cat 6 is a 20% premium compared to 5E.
And the real world benefit is ? ... "future proofing" and lets be honest what is the likelihood 10 gig in the home ?
Oh and you are aware there is already a 6A standard ?
ONLY if you follow the guidelines for installing it properly.
Otherwise you really are pissing 20% of your $s against a wall.
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