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Recommend me a NAS box...again
WetWired
Brisbane, Queensland
5531 posts
I think this is literally the 3rd thread I've made about this but with recent additions to the family and rearranging of computer rooms we're going to be in need of a NAS box to stream videos to the lounge room. I'm not after a massive one, 2TB is probably heaps, I just want something good quality, reliable and easy on the pocket.
09:00pm 18/05/11 Permalink
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Skitza
Brisbane, Queensland
9394 posts
Synology. That is all.
09:04pm 18/05/11 Permalink
WetWired
Brisbane, Queensland
5532 posts
Also what's the word on ethernet over power tech? is it still s***house?
09:08pm 18/05/11 Permalink
trillion
Brisbane, Queensland
2375 posts
i suppose if you want a consumer product something like a Drobo or something in the Synology series would be the best (and probably most expensive, but justified by quality of product) choices you could make.

or the hot potato among the geeks at the moment is the Proliant little NAS box that might.

http://www.wegotserved.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/hp_418.jpg

lower down the vertical you come to the Netgear / DLink / etcetera
09:09pm 18/05/11 Permalink
Skitza
Brisbane, Queensland
9395 posts
^ Or that if you can get one and want to run something yourself.

When was PoE ever s***?
09:10pm 18/05/11 Permalink
WetWired
Brisbane, Queensland
5533 posts
I'm currently doing some research on the case at the moment, I was under the impression 4 or so years ago PoE was s***, please correct me if I'm wrong and that's not that case as PoE would solve quite a few networking issues we currently have.

Also what's the WD My Book Live range like?
09:17pm 18/05/11 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
5416 posts
Get yourself a HP Microserver. If you ring HP direct, they have a 'special offer' on it for $199, including shipping. If they quote you $599, try, try again :P
09:22pm 18/05/11 Permalink
WetWired
Brisbane, Queensland
5534 posts
Those options recommended look a bit too hard core for my needs, both in price and functionality. I just want plug and play HDD, not interested in backups or RAID, it's just for storing and streaming TV and music.
08:10am 20/05/11 Permalink
jmr
Brisbane, Queensland
7170 posts
It's $200 not $2000
08:21am 20/05/11 Permalink
parabol
Brisbane, Queensland
6237 posts
I don't fully understand why so many people are grabbing NAS boxen.

I have a simple, quiet, dual-core xbmc box next to my TV with an 802.11n wireless stick. It streams from my main (download+games) PC over wifi - average speed of 10-15MB/s which is already overkill for 1080p. For situations where I have an insane amount of media on more drives than I have bays on my main PC, I use a good-quality SATA tray ($25), and use AHCI ejection so I can swap drives over at any time. The wireless connection is fast enough that I even do automated incremental backups over wifi daily to the xbmc box.

Are NAS boxen mainly used when you don't want your main/download box on all the time? If someone could explain this to me, that would be great.
08:50am 20/05/11 Permalink
Red
Sydney, New South Wales
754 posts
PoE != EoP

I've got a TPLink 200mbps ethernet over power setup running at home. It's pretty good considering the intertubes are only ~18mbps.

NAS boxes are good when you want everything online at once. Imagine sitting on the couch all comfy under your snuggie or some s*** and you think "hmmm, now I'd like to watch x. oh s***, it's on another disk! oh well cbf getting up and replacing." it's about as annoying as having all your media on dvd.

last edited by Red at 09:24:39 20/May/11
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parabol
Brisbane, Queensland
6238 posts
NAS boxes are good when you want everything online at once. Imagine sitting on the couch all comfy under your snuggie or some s*** and you think "hmmm, now I'd like to watch x. oh s***, it's on another disk! oh well cbf getting up and replacing." it's about as annoying as having all your media on dvd.

I'm not sure I follow. I have two hotswap trays on my main PC solely for streaming/storage media to other boxen. How does your average (expensive or slow, take a pick) NAS with the same number of bays benefit over this cheap setup?

If it's about having your main PC off most of the day I can understand. But most threads I read about NASs is that people seem to get them just for the hell of it?
09:32am 20/05/11 Permalink
WetWired
Brisbane, Queensland
5535 posts
It's $200 not $2000


Plus HDDs and time setting the f***** up

you can get 3Tb WD Book Lives for $300 and they're plug and play.

I don't fully understand why so many people are grabbing NAS boxen.


because we have 2 PCs, 2 TVs, a beyonwiz and an xbox, all of which are capable of streaming TVs to them over the network. we currently duplicate our music library on 2 machines so we can access them and if my wife wants to watch something over the network she has to turn on and wait for my machine to boot up before she can watch anything. A NAS boxes removes the need for us to replicate data on our network and give us an instantly accessible library of content from any outlet on the network.
09:38am 20/05/11 Permalink
parabol
Brisbane, Queensland
6239 posts
we currently duplicate our music library on 2 machines

This was the explanation I was looking for. I understand now, cheers.
09:44am 20/05/11 Permalink
Twisted
Brisbane, Queensland
11377 posts

So this HP Micro server. What does it come with? RAM, CPU? No HDD's I would assume. Or is it basically just the chassis and motherboard?
09:48am 20/05/11 Permalink
WetWired
Brisbane, Queensland
5536 posts
Yeah that's what I was keen to know, I don't wanna have to f*** around with setting a NAS box up, I just wanna get something with HDDs in it or get one that I can just throw HDDs without hassle.

Someone recommend something called a readyNAS from netgear that appears on the surface to do that, as well as having the option to access the NAS box over the internet somehow.
09:58am 20/05/11 Permalink
TiT
Brisbane, Queensland
4165 posts
I still recommend the QNAP server...
10:14am 20/05/11 Permalink
kappa
Brisbane, Queensland
1506 posts
I'm trying to decide between these two QNAP's. This is for streaming music / hd rips / etc to multiple htpcs.

TS-412 : 1.2ghz cpu and 256 ram
TS-419+ : 1.6ghz cpu and 512 ram

Could I get away with the cheaper one for what I need?
10:42am 20/05/11 Permalink
teq
Brisbane, Queensland
10934 posts

you can get 3Tb WD Book Lives for $300 and they're plug and play.


for $88 more you can get a full computer with a 3TB drive and a 250GB drive (the HP Microserver)
You can install windows or linux on it, it can be your media PC if you want it to be.

HP Microserver = $199
3TB Hitach Drive = $189
Total = $388
10:55am 20/05/11 Permalink
WetWired
Brisbane, Queensland
5537 posts
Installing windows and a full PC is exactly what I don't want
10:59am 20/05/11 Permalink
teq
Brisbane, Queensland
10937 posts
just install a livecd like ubuntu and be done with it
the point of the exercise is all the extra grunt you get out of the machine rather than having the ability to use it as a desktop

qnaps and a like dont offer you anything more than just storage (occasionally you'll get a bittorrent client etc)
they dont offer the same kinda read & write speeds you'll get out of the HP either
11:04am 20/05/11 Permalink
WetWired
Brisbane, Queensland
5538 posts
But that's my point, I only want storage. The only other piece of tech I might find slightly beneficial is the access via the internet thing that readyNAS box has. I'm pretty much coming at it from a consumer level rather than enthusiast.
11:13am 20/05/11 Permalink
kappa
Brisbane, Queensland
1507 posts
How hard is it to get one of those HP's up and running for someone with zero linux knowledge?

I'd like to get that HP but I need something idiot proof :S
11:16am 20/05/11 Permalink
Red
Sydney, New South Wales
756 posts
Chiming in with a hands-off option, mate of mine just got a Thecus n5200xxx for $709. Seems a good balance between capacity and capability. (plus drives but hey, they're cheap)

last edited by Red at 11:21:23 20/May/11
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Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
10099 posts
@parabol: we have a NAS for storing media to stream but also for our digi photos and normal saved documents and stuff. It's RAID-1 (mirror) so it has redundancy to protect the photos (which are occasionally backed up) whereas our desktop PC's just have single HDDs and we assume can die at anytime. Just keeps things centralised so we can both access photos or whatever when we need.

WetWired, if you want my suggestion (at the expense of the other guys about to laugh at me) go for a Netgear ReadyNAS or similar. Cheaper option, still reasonable features in the back-end to let you play around a bit. I have a ReadyNAS NV+ and have been very happy with it.
11:20am 20/05/11 Permalink
teq
Brisbane, Queensland
10940 posts
I'd like to get that HP but I need something idiot proof :S


Can you burn a CD? if the answer is yes, you can install linux.
Download "Ubuntu LIve CD", burn it and chuck it in, reboot, let it load up, then click "install"

voila

@WetWired fair enough, however unless you are going to do something like the WD Live (network ready hdd cady basically) you're going to be paying more for less
Those WD things are good, but they're pretty expensive for what you get

You could just buy one (or two if you wanted redundancy) of these

Shintaro Dock

http://i131.twenga.com/computers/hard-drive-dock/shintaro-usb-3.0-blazer-tp_3869123633100447554b.png

And stick two cheap drives in

Hitachi 2TB SATA III HDD Instock $99.00
or
Hitachi 3TB Deskstar 7K3000 7200rpm HDD Instock $199.00


Total price with 1 x 3TB + Dock = $230
Total price with 2 x 3TB + 2 x Dock = $460

Total price with 1 x 2TB + Dock = $130
Total price with 2 x 2TB + 2 x Dock = $260
11:33am 20/05/11 Permalink
jmr
Brisbane, Queensland
7172 posts
OK going to buy a video card for mine today teq head

1080 HDMI what should I get
12:42pm 20/05/11 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
10103 posts
OK going to buy a video card for mine today teq head

1080 HDMI what should I get

We should have a sticky thread called 'Ask teq tech'

I actually realised how I can make my own sticky threads on this forum by accident. Have been waiting for something good to make one just to demonstrate my h4X0r prowess. trog would just smite it with his infinite fury though.
01:02pm 20/05/11 Permalink
Timmeh
Brisbane, Queensland
348 posts
I think this is literally the 3rd thread I've made about this but with recent additions to the family and rearrangement of priorities we're going to be in need of a Sand box to keep the kids out of the lounge room. I'm not after a massive one, 2x4 is probably heaps, I just want something good quality, reliable and easy on the pocket.
01:10pm 20/05/11 Permalink
IVY_MiKe
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory
361 posts
for $88 more you can get a full computer with a 3TB drive and a 250GB drive (the HP Microserver)
You can install windows or linux on it, it can be your media PC if you want it to be.


Not anymore Teq, best I can figure the 'uber microserver deal' is all done and dusted... unless you bought a few spares :P

as I've stated earlier... monthly pay sucks the big one.

(I'm all ears if someone else has found somewhere to buy a 'HP Proliant MicroServer' for ~$200)
01:28pm 20/05/11 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
10107 posts
03:44pm 20/05/11 Permalink
WetWired
Brisbane, Queensland
5539 posts


I think I'm leaning towards one of these geezers now, with 2x 2TB drives is $380 for 4Tb (I wouldn't be needing RAID). Looks easy to set up but it seems to have some other options if I wanted to play around with it.
03:48pm 20/05/11 Permalink
WetWired
Brisbane, Queensland
5540 posts
Different model, with what appears to be a s***tier setup process and less features
04:16pm 20/05/11 Permalink
teq
Brisbane, Queensland
10945 posts
no idea jmr, i have a mac mini for my media box pc
I would just buy the cheapest pci-e card w/ hardware decoding and fits inside the enclosure
i dont imagine you would need to spend more than $80 to fulfill this requirement though

Related: http://www.catchoftheday.com.au/smallfish_info.php?products_id=29687


The ones in my link were cheaper :P
I've got 4 of those docks and none of them were more than $35 I don't think
05:50pm 20/05/11 Permalink
Infidel
Netherlands
3546 posts
wrong thread
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parabol
Brisbane, Queensland
6242 posts
You could just buy one (or two if you wanted redundancy) of these
Shintaro Dock

Don't buy the USB3.0 version, drives drop out.
06:11pm 20/05/11 Permalink
teq
Brisbane, Queensland
10946 posts
i've got 2 of the usb 3.0 versions and their usb 3.0 card, having a similar issue
we are having some problems when trying to copy HUGE amounts of data to the drives in one hit, the drives are overheating
ie transfer 3TB to a blank (brand new) drive and it would stop all the time, a quick refresh of the destination and source directories got it going again, but what a PITA


I dont think it's the enclosure though, because I dont have the same problem with different drives (WD 2TB Black drives)
06:17pm 20/05/11 Permalink
Infidel
Netherlands
3547 posts
same problem teq, but can't expect much of the usb drivers
11:06pm 20/05/11 Permalink
teq
Brisbane, Queensland
10956 posts
I think a simple fan blowing on the drive would solve the problem, but it would clutter up the caddy a bit
someone will figure out a way to incorporate a nice fan soon enough
11:14pm 20/05/11 Permalink
Infidel
Netherlands
3548 posts
I have one connected to an airport extreme and it craps itself if you transfer somenthing large
11:15pm 20/05/11 Permalink
HerbalLizard
Brisbane, Queensland
4925 posts
n36l
8gb of ram
4 drives that support 512k
solaris express + napp-it

goldern
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Jerry
Queensland
4070 posts
Don't buy the USB3.0 version, drives drop out.


i've got 2 of the usb 3.0 versions and their usb 3.0 card, having a similar issue


i've got a shintaro usb3 dock (2 drive version) - runs f*****g great with both Shintaro USB3 pcie card and Asrcok USB3 pcie card.

I bought the cards independently of the dock though (not the bundled version).

usb3 ftw, wouldn't look twice at usb2 gear anymore


oh, and im using server 2003 64bit as a fileserver atm (mainly for terminal services), am considering getting a WHS box though (unless WHS is s***?)

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