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HP microserver
HerbalLizard
Brisbane, Queensland
4914 posts
http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/13716_na/13716_na.html

Supports 4 drives
8GB of ram
1 x pcie 16x
1 x pcie 1x
And under $200

Awesome for a nas or even a media centre if you wanted

I'm going to be grabbing one or two in the next few weeks will make a great little nas for me running open filer
08:19am 07/05/11 Permalink
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hardware
Brisbane, Queensland
8933 posts
hmm, i'd be interested to see how loud it runs and how much power it consumes
08:28am 07/05/11 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
5368 posts
Set up OpenFiler on mine last night, have racing today but when I get home I'll be setting up transmission, Tomcat, JIRA, Apache, PHP, MySQL etc etc.

I'm running it with 4x2TB Seagate Greens, 1x 250GB Seagate 7200.12, 8GB RAM.

hmm, i'd be interested to see how loud it runs and how much power it consumes

Without drives it's quiet as hell - if you're asking if it would be a good media center box, the answer is yes.
It draws around 34W - google the reviews on it, some places did detailed power draw tests.

last edited by Raven at 08:30:39 07/May/11
08:29am 07/05/11 Permalink
hardware
Brisbane, Queensland
8934 posts
hmm, 34w. thats relatively acceptable, rather than the usual 140 or so from a desktop pc.
08:37am 07/05/11 Permalink
kos
UK
1734 posts
Is the sub-$200 price really for 8GB of RAM? Those specs say 1GB standard, 8GB max.
08:47am 07/05/11 Permalink
hardware
Brisbane, Queensland
8935 posts
I didn't read it like that at all kos
I read the OP as it supports 8gb of RAM for $200
09:08am 07/05/11 Permalink
teq
Brisbane, Queensland
10755 posts
got a link to the buy it now shop for under $200?
09:22am 07/05/11 Permalink
hardware
Brisbane, Queensland
8936 posts
megabuy
09:41am 07/05/11 Permalink
kos
UK
1735 posts
I didn't read it like that at all kos
I read the OP as it supports 8gb of RAM for $200

Well... I did. :\
09:48am 07/05/11 Permalink
HeardY
Gaelic newb
Sydney, New South Wales
19658 posts
Yeah what teq said

I am down for one.... still haven't bought myself a NAS ;p
11:06am 07/05/11 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
3616 posts
awesome.

what's the best linux for a htpc? (putting windows on that literally doubles the price)
11:29am 07/05/11 Permalink
teq
Brisbane, Queensland
10756 posts
11:56am 07/05/11 Permalink
59fifty
Brisbane, Queensland
806 posts
wow are these new?

I think I am going to be picking one up - cheaper than all the home nas products on the market!!!

Might replace my dell as my media pc.
12:20pm 07/05/11 Permalink
Whoop
Brisbane, Queensland
18418 posts
Does this thing have built in RAID? Does it come with windows server for $200 or is that extra?
12:23pm 07/05/11 Permalink
thermite
Brisbane, Queensland
7664 posts
http://media.bestofmicro.com/raspberry-pi,Q-H-291257-3.jpg

costs $25, 1080p HDMI output, and a USB port for controllers.

http://www.raspberrypi.org/
12:24pm 07/05/11 Permalink
Whoop
Brisbane, Queensland
18419 posts
but can you play cs on it?
12:30pm 07/05/11 Permalink
thermite
Brisbane, Queensland
7665 posts
With the size of video cards these days being like a double decker bus, it wouldn't surprise me if someone make a video card where you the plug the computer into it.
12:43pm 07/05/11 Permalink
trog
AGN Admin
Brisbane, Queensland
33611 posts
Wow, that looks pretty cool!
05:52pm 07/05/11 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
3617 posts
With the size of video cards these days being like a double decker bus, it wouldn't surprise me if someone make a video card where you the plug the computer into it.
What happened to the laptop external PCIE port for external video cards for gaming etc?
06:19pm 07/05/11 Permalink
Whoop
Brisbane, Queensland
18423 posts
my laptop has a pci-x port on it. On the outside it looks like a PCMCIA port, until I tried to plug a PCMCIA card into it and it wouldn't fit. Had a look inside only to discover the truth.
06:49pm 07/05/11 Permalink
DecayingCorpse
Brisbane, Queensland
1803 posts
nice little box
07:15pm 07/05/11 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
9972 posts
Yeah that's cool. Just for comparison I have a ReadyNAS NV+ which I have one of those meters on where you can measure power consumption and it runs at a steady 42W so 34W is nothing (although I'm dubious about that value, if you put a meter on it let me know).
With the size of video cards these days being like a double decker bus, it wouldn't surprise me if someone make a video card where you the plug the computer into it.

I lol'd at this.

More about thermite's pic: http://hackaday.com/2011/05/06/miniature-pc-packs-a-big-punch/
07:17pm 07/05/11 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
5369 posts
Is the sub-$200 price really for 8GB of RAM? Those specs say 1GB standard, 8GB max.

No, the sub-200 price comes with 1GB of ECC and a 250GB HDD.

The system supports 8GB, which you have to buy separately if you want that much.

awesome.

what's the best linux for a htpc? (putting windows on that literally doubles the price)

Take your pick really, it depends on your intended use.
Plenty of people are running Ubuntu on it. I'm running Openfiler.

Does this thing have built in RAID? Does it come with windows server for $200 or is that extra?

It does hardware RAID0 and hardware RAID1. For anything else you'll either need a specific controller card, or use software RAID.

but can you play cs on it?

I realise this question is probably taking the piss, but given how old CS is, the CPU and integrated ATI 48xx in it would likely be more than overkill for CS.
The 1.3GHz AMD Athlon II Duo in it scores roughly around that of a high end T28xx series Core 2 CPU, from memory. /var/cpuinfo says around 2600 bigomips per core.

With the size of video cards these days being like a double decker bus, it wouldn't surprise me if someone make a video card where you the plug the computer into it.

You'll need a low-profile card to power this. The PCIe-x16 port only provides 25W, so running a GTX580 in this is out.


If anyone has any queries, or wants any info pulled from a running OS, just let me know, more than happy to provide info. For the $170ish they're available for at a number of online stores, this is a bargain.
08:22pm 07/05/11 Permalink
`ViPER`
Brisbane, Queensland
3884 posts
Must resist urge to buy.

Dammit, this machine looks pretty dam awesome, I wonder how well it goes at playing HD content from MKV's etc.

I think you would need a PCI-e graphics card so you can output HDMI for video to make it a decent HTPC, but that would be $50 tops.

Wonder if the CPU would keep up with HD channels from a TV tuner, I know my older PC had a problem with HD channels, but it was a 2.4ghz p4, I think this would be faster than that.
08:43pm 07/05/11 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
5370 posts
I'm told the onboard GPU has hardware decoding, but you're right that HDMI would be nice. Same thing would apply though - whatever you use would need to make use of hardware decoding, as I'm told (but have not tested) that the 1.3GHz CPU can not keep up.

This benches about twice as fast as a 2.4GHz P4. I would like to find out if there is a way to use either of my existing USB DVB sticks top use commandline only and simply record files, not display - ie, use it as a network-attached PVR.
09:02pm 07/05/11 Permalink
hardware
Brisbane, Queensland
8939 posts
This benches about twice as fast as a 2.4GHz P4

Oh nice. My current server is this, with 5 drives.
09:38pm 07/05/11 Permalink
HerbalLizard
Brisbane, Queensland
4915 posts
No this unit does not come standard with 8gb of ram...it suppports upto 8gb and it supports ECC and comes with 1gb

If you get the idea that you want to put video card in it to hook it up by hdmi as an HTPC keep the following in mind, its got a 200watt psu

Apparently the connector used by the optical drive only suppports ide mode because of the bios. You can flash it so thats not the case.

I am thinking of using a sff-8087 to sff8484 to one of those 5 1/4 supermico sas bays things that hold 4 2.5 sas drives since I have a few sitting around the house.



10:59pm 07/05/11 Permalink
trog
AGN Admin
Brisbane, Queensland
33612 posts
Presumably you don't need a supermegahyper video card tho to use it as an HTPC - you just need something that can do hardware video/h264/whatever decoding reasonably well, yeh?
12:01am 08/05/11 Permalink
HerbalLizard
Brisbane, Queensland
4916 posts
Just getting in first
12:03am 08/05/11 Permalink
`ViPER`
Brisbane, Queensland
3886 posts
Presumably you don't need a supermegahyper video card tho to use it as an HTPC - you just need something that can do hardware video/h264/whatever decoding reasonably well, yeh


Yeah you'd just want a half height budget card, preferably passive cooled too, im sure such a thing exists.
11:03am 08/05/11 Permalink
hardware
Brisbane, Queensland
8946 posts
if this thing had raid5, i'd be sold.
09:04pm 08/05/11 Permalink
`ViPER`
Brisbane, Queensland
3894 posts
if this thing had raid5, i'd be sold.


Raid 0 and 1 I think.

Wonder if it does Raid 10, that would be pretty sweet over 4 2tb drives.
09:07pm 08/05/11 Permalink
hardware
Brisbane, Queensland
8949 posts
yeah raid 10 would be alright
09:10pm 08/05/11 Permalink
teq
Brisbane, Queensland
10773 posts
I'm doing a group buy tomorrow with a few guys at work, I intend to set mine up with raid5 on 4 x 3TB Hitachi drives
probably running http://www.openfiler.com/
09:49pm 08/05/11 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
5374 posts
teq, I've had to do a manual rebuild of mine using openfiler because it simply doesn't like the 4kb sector alignment. Keep that in mind when you do it - use parted from a shell.
10:10pm 08/05/11 Permalink
teq
Brisbane, Queensland
10775 posts
hrm, is that documented somewhere - what exactly happened?

my other option was a simple debian box with mdadm or freebsd with gmirror
the reason I was thinking openfiler is because its just going to be a nas, i dont really intend to run anything but storage on it
10:39pm 08/05/11 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
5375 posts
Frankly I'm not seeing the need or point of Openfiler given the way I'm using it. I'm not using any of the advanced iSCSI or cluster features, so it would seem that any linux install would have been fine - I just want to run JIRA (hence Java), MySQL, Apache and Transmission in addition to the storage side of things. Any kind of Debian or Ubuntu install probably would have done the job.
11:01pm 08/05/11 Permalink
teq
Brisbane, Queensland
10777 posts
yeah I was only thinking openfiler because we use it at work, I'm not in love with the idea
the only time i ever use iscsi is for virtual machines
11:18pm 08/05/11 Permalink
Nathan
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory
3794 posts
if this thing had raid5, i'd be sold.


You would be crazy to use the crappy "hardware" RAID on this level of device, linux software RAID is going to perform far better.
09:04am 09/05/11 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
5377 posts
The problem with hardware RAID, on any device, is you can't gaurantee how it's going to be stored. If your RAID card dies, you need to get another of the same. At least with software RAID you have a chance of rebuilding it if the need arises to shift those drives to another system.
09:11am 09/05/11 Permalink
ara
Sydney, New South Wales
3263 posts
i think if you buy a known brand raid controller you will find that all of their raid controllers use a common meta data for their raid sets.

so you might not be able to get the exact same controller but as long as you get the same brand you are fine.

Adaptec do this, HP/CPQ do this, Highpoint even do this.
03:37pm 09/05/11 Permalink
jmr
Brisbane, Queensland
7143 posts
So what kinda video card would people think would do the trick in this little thing
06:45pm 09/05/11 Permalink
hardware
Brisbane, Queensland
8958 posts
the integrated ATI 48xx?
07:16pm 09/05/11 Permalink
IVY_MiKe
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory
348 posts
So what kinda video card would people think would do the trick in this little thing


I'd be getting a passive half height nVidia 8400GS.
They go for around $40 and will easily pump out 1080P content.
07:34pm 09/05/11 Permalink
kg
Brisbane, Queensland
57 posts
lol, can't believe this thread exists. I sold close to 300 units today.

Is a good box for the price, only raid 0 and 1 support though.

Megabuy is out of stock now and it's off their website.
07:38pm 09/05/11 Permalink
teq
Brisbane, Queensland
10785 posts
yeah we bought 3 from megabuy today in a group buy at work
looking forward to playing with mine later this week


Hitachi 3TB Deskstar 7K3000 7200rpm HDD
Internet Price: $199.00


$177 + $800 for 9TB raid5

is nice.
07:41pm 09/05/11 Permalink
Splash
Brisbane, Queensland
2668 posts
lol, can't believe this thread exists. I sold close to 300 units today.


where do you work?
07:53pm 09/05/11 Permalink
hardware
Brisbane, Queensland
8959 posts
wow, this is now sold out from everywhere.
08:00pm 09/05/11 Permalink
HeardY
Gaelic newb
Sydney, New South Wales
19663 posts
F*** someone build me one with raid and stuff, I is too newb :(

make it heardy proof!!
08:10pm 09/05/11 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
5380 posts
Heardy, I'm about to blow away my Openfiler install and replace it with Ubuntu server. If you're not taking the piss, I'm happy to share any quirks and gotchas I come across...
08:13pm 09/05/11 Permalink
HeardY
Gaelic newb
Sydney, New South Wales
19664 posts
I am serious, I've never installed *nix, hell I barely know how to use windows!!

I am not called a newb for nothing ;)
08:15pm 09/05/11 Permalink
kg
Brisbane, Queensland
58 posts
distribution :D
08:16pm 09/05/11 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
5381 posts
HeardY, Step 1: Download the x64 server from here:
http://www.ubuntu.com/download
Step 2, burn a USB stick with the tool that's on that page with the image you've downloaded. Make sure you select server not regular from the drop-down, I made that mistake.
This is assuming you want to put the 250GB drive that came with it in the 5.25" bay so you have the 4 SAS bays free.
If you're happy to not use RAID and want a CD drive in it, do it that way and burn a CD instead of a USB stick.

Doing it this way is just to avoid device letters getting changed around if you swap where the HDD is physically connected after you've installed (ie, if you no longer want the CD drive after installing, so in this case you want to boot from a flash drive).
08:20pm 09/05/11 Permalink
teq
Brisbane, Queensland
10786 posts
I'm thinking something like 4x2GB usb sticks (have tonnes of identical ones from merchandise bags/suppliers etc) in software raid10, then do software raid5 on the 4xSATA bays
i have no idea if this will work but i'll give it a shot
08:25pm 09/05/11 Permalink
HeardY
Gaelic newb
Sydney, New South Wales
19665 posts
Nope, I'd go with the 250gb job as the 'boot' drive and 4 x 2 or 3tb in raid, but I don't know raid.

First, I need to get the unit. Need to try and source one. I'd be able to have a NAS including drives for the same price as just an enclosure from QNAP or Thecus.
08:52pm 09/05/11 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
3624 posts
I'm thinking something like 4x2GB usb sticks (have tonnes of identical ones from merchandise bags/suppliers etc) in software raid10, then do software raid5 on the 4xSATA bays
i have no idea if this will work but i'll give it a shot

More info pls. Also aren't most of those usb sticks really s*** for transfer speeds? Making even a POS hdd seem good?
09:05pm 09/05/11 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
5382 posts
Oh. If you haven't ordered one yet, you're basically up s*** creek. OCAU has wiped these devices clean of everyones inventory, there's a backlog of orders that can't be honored.
09:14pm 09/05/11 Permalink
ara
Sydney, New South Wales
3264 posts
Oh. If you haven't ordered one yet, you're basically up s*** creek. OCAU has wiped these devices clean of everyones inventory, there's a backlog of orders that can't be honored.


can't be honored? have HP stopped making these or something?
09:53pm 09/05/11 Permalink
HerbalLizard
Brisbane, Queensland
4919 posts
Meh unless you buy them from hp direct, then its not even remotely a problem
10:09pm 09/05/11 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
5383 posts
Ubuntu server: fail. Tried a heap of things before giving up and installing Ubuntu standard from a USB drive. Had no problems with standard.
10:41pm 09/05/11 Permalink
teq
Brisbane, Queensland
10790 posts
More info pls. Also aren't most of those usb sticks really s*** for transfer speeds? Making even a POS hdd seem good?


you're striping then mirroring, so you get double the performance of a single usb drive and then you mirror that stripe to get redundancy
mdadm should handle it no worries, as for reading/writing speeds you are only running the OS from the usb drives, so the disk access to SATA should be just as fast as if you were running off a sata drive
11:56am 10/05/11 Permalink
tspec
Melbourne, Victoria
3125 posts
For something classified as a server, no raid5 support is complete fail. I ordered one with 8Gb ram from Megabuy but will probably also get one of these LSI 9240-4i for the drives I reckon.

There's a thread here where someone's pulled one apart and has taken photo's:
http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1126552

Also a 4 part blog post here about running VMWare ESXi on one:
http://deludi.nl/blog/vbscript/various/various-how-to-build-a-decent-low-power-vmware-esxi-server-based-on-the-hp-n36l-microserver-and-the-hp-p410-raid-controller/

01:55pm 10/05/11 Permalink
Thundercracker
Brisbane, Queensland
2879 posts
I would be interested tspec if that card does the job for you. I have an old server that I would like to set up raid-5 in for the home NAS box, and that card looks pretty decent for the price.
01:59pm 10/05/11 Permalink
teq
Brisbane, Queensland
10798 posts
seems kind of like overkill for just a home nas, software raid isn't that bad if you're just talking about backing up your files at home?

For something classified as a server, no raid5 support is complete fail


it's <$200 .. I reckon it's complete win
Even $500+ Qnap enclosures don't use hardware raid (well, it's on the mobo .. but you get the picture)
02:04pm 10/05/11 Permalink
tspec
Melbourne, Victoria
3126 posts
Yeah, for under 200 I wouldn't expect true hardware raid or anything, just the ability to configure it in raid5 would have been nice. At least even with that raid card installed, it's still going to be a pretty decent little NAS for under $500.
02:50pm 10/05/11 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
9992 posts
What's the main advantage to h/w RAID? Faster?

I read once upon a time s/w RAID should be preferred over h/w RAID because if your h/w controller fails it's more difficult to recover the array.

I said that recently somewhere and a guy laughed at me though *shrug*
03:58pm 10/05/11 Permalink
Dan
Special Text
Brisbane, Queensland
11565 posts
^ I'd like to know also.

Does it go like this?:
proper dedicated hardware raid > software raid > hardware raid built into a cheap motherboard
04:07pm 10/05/11 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
5386 posts
Once upon a time XOR was an operation that used to take something stupid like 12 CPU cycles. Those days are long gone.
It's sorta like ARM9 CPUs not having FDIV. To do a floating point division, you had to convert everything to multiplication (eg, instead of '10.5 / 3.0', you'd need (double)(int)((int)((double)(10.5 * 10.0))/((int)((double)(3.0 * 10.0))) * 0.5 or something equivalent. Which is costly and slow.
04:23pm 10/05/11 Permalink
`ViPER`
Brisbane, Queensland
3901 posts
What raven was trying to say is that software raid has to use the CPU of the machine to do all the raid operations, like calculation parity for raid 5 sets.

Obviously a dedicated controller takes all the raid tasks off the CPU and just presents storage.

Raid cards also have read/write cache to speed up disk read/writes.

Do you need any of this in a home NAS, or even anything but high use NAS/SAN, probably not.

Hardware raid also things like easy to use interfaces for setting up/managing the Raid sets, like web interfaces etc for monitoring, but you can do this in software too.
04:30pm 10/05/11 Permalink
tspec
Melbourne, Victoria
3128 posts
What's the main advantage to h/w RAID? Faster? I read once upon a time s/w RAID should be preferred over h/w RAID because if your h/w controller fails it's more difficult to recover the array. I said that recently somewhere and a guy laughed at me though *shrug*


Yeah, comes down personal preference I guess. I prefer hardware raid but I have friends that prefer software raid (as long as it's done in linux). Friends that run software raid in linux say their performance is comparable to h/w raid. For me, I just prefer to keep my array independent of an OS.

Hardware failure is a fair point but to be honest, I've never had a dedicated raid card die on me at home or work (could be just lucky, dunno but I don't know anyone who's had one die either). I have seen motherboards die that have been configured to do raid which were pretty easy to get replaced (ebay). You would be up s*** creek if you couldn't find a replacement though but it's always good practice to keep anything super critical backed up somewhere else anyway regardless of whether you're running software or hardware raid.

On the flip side, I have seen instances where linux software raid has become completed corrupted, can't remember what the circumstances were because it was quite a while ago now. One thing about running an array off a card like Areca/LSI/Highpoint etc is the support from these companies is generally pretty good, I've logged a couple faults over the years and had pretty helpful responses.
04:39pm 10/05/11 Permalink
teq
Brisbane, Queensland
10802 posts
I had a raid fault this year that resulted in a 4 week wait for a supplier to re-issue the exact model card that failed
if it was software raid i could have just booted it from another system but meh, them's the breaks

in our big dedicated storage boxes we only use dual channel sas drives with dual controllers
they all have their ups and downs

you can't expect your data that is stored on a platter-based disk to be reliable even in raid with dual controllers etc
the redundancy is just there to keep the system running in the event of a failure, if you dont act fast it doesn't matter what raid level you run, you're at-risk
05:05pm 10/05/11 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
6922 posts
Dongs!@ I just found this thread and now DO WANT a micro server.
05:20pm 10/05/11 Permalink
HerbalLizard
Brisbane, Queensland
4920 posts
I had a raid fault this year that resulted in a 4 week wait for a supplier to re-issue the exact model card that failed if it was software raid i could have just booted it from another system but meh, them's the breaks
This +1 unless you have had to go through this process then keep opting for hardware raid and recommending it c****

Wait for the downtime and business owners after your blood, try hunting down a old arse controller that's a 100% match

Sure mirror sets on separate controllers no worries but until you have gone through this process a couple of times then you will certainly stop looking at hardware raid controllers, or at least think twice.

It comes from years of the XOR cpu cycle FUD that is truly dead these days, add a dash of windows fake raid and its a cycle if s*** that keeps on going.

mdadm + lvm or zfs raidz/2 variants are the way of the future - honesty I want the ability to chop the hardware and mount it on something else.

Anyway we got a whole stack of boxes at work but I am thinking of grabbing a couple more of these about 3 in total
08:18pm 10/05/11 Permalink
tspec
Melbourne, Victoria
3129 posts
Luckily we're still in a position where our server infrastructure is fairly new so we still have next business day replacement on everything, but we only run physical servers where we need to, maybe half a dozen. Mostly everything is on vSphere with vmotion backed onto a SAN so there is additional redundancy in that if a raid controller or any other piece of hardware dies in one of the VM servers.

Ticman, if you're interested in one of those HP Servers, I know a guy :) We buy all our office gear through a HP partner and I got an email off our account manager there yesterday saying he can get these at about the prices listed on those sites. I can pm you the companies details if you like.
09:32pm 10/05/11 Permalink
jmr
Brisbane, Queensland
7144 posts
I've bought one, which I would love to setup as a gigabit NAS with a Media Centre interface (ie HDMI out)

Having no experience with this, what linux distro etc should I be looking at???
08:42am 11/05/11 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
5389 posts
jmr, see my previous posts. I've ended up on Ubuntu after much screwing around.
08:44am 11/05/11 Permalink
jmr
Brisbane, Queensland
7146 posts
And what about MC interface? F*** probably need a remote or something too eh
08:46am 11/05/11 Permalink
teq
Brisbane, Queensland
10821 posts
run mythbuntu on it jmr, then check sites like this
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=800597

or google "mythbuntu remote" etc

you can stick a hdmi-capable video card in this machine for $70~
check out something like this -
Asus GT220 PCI-E 2.0 1G DVI/HDMI Internet Price: $77.25 (umart)

just double check the power requirements before buying, you've only got 25W on that PCI-E bus as discussed ^ up there
09:42am 11/05/11 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
6924 posts
Ticman, if you're interested in one of those HP Servers, I know a guy :) We buy all our office gear through a HP partner and I got an email off our account manager there yesterday saying he can get these at about the prices listed on those sites. I can pm you the companies details if you like.


PM sent!
10:33am 11/05/11 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
5390 posts
After much f*****g around:

/dev/md0:
Timing buffered disk reads: 746 MB in 3.00 seconds = 248.49 MB/sec

That's on Seagate Greens.

My brother bought one of these too, he's bought 4x2TB WD Greens and a 6x2.5" bay.
I think he's going to put some massive f-off RAID card in it, I suggest he puts Intel 510s in an array :P
10:48am 11/05/11 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
6925 posts
Everyone is quoting me $500 - was the ~$200 a typo and everyone jumped on it?
11:22am 11/05/11 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
5392 posts
It dropped to $168-$171 at about 6 small little places probably because it was a product which no-one ever bought and they never expected people to catch on or it to sell like hotcakes the way it did.

They're EOL so it was basically a clearance price.
11:28am 11/05/11 Permalink
`ViPER`
Brisbane, Queensland
3904 posts
Dont f*** around with linux for a media centre if you want it to actually work without f*****g around for weeks finding drivers that work, video cards that work, remotes that work etc etc.

Windows Media Centre, all the Remotes/Video Cards/Tv tuners are designed for it, and will just work.

Plus Windows media centre is just better.
11:29am 11/05/11 Permalink
jmr
Brisbane, Queensland
7147 posts
I am planning on delegating the configuration to raven hahaha
11:41am 11/05/11 Permalink
Sparky
Rockhampton, Queensland
14 posts
Are they still floating about, iv been looking everywhere and i cannot find the cheaper ones.. Only the expensive ones :(


12:19pm 11/05/11 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
5393 posts
I might write up a little mini-howto, as enough people have asked me (even though I'm learning this all myself as I go along). Would that be helpful if I did?
12:59pm 11/05/11 Permalink
teq
Brisbane, Queensland
10830 posts
yeah looks like they're all gone
just got my megabuy shipping notification today, should be here by Friday woot
01:03pm 11/05/11 Permalink
tspec
Melbourne, Victoria
3132 posts
I also got the shipped email from Megabuy this morning. Server turned up early this afternoon.
03:23pm 11/05/11 Permalink
teq
Brisbane, Queensland
10840 posts
yep just got ours too, awesome bit of kit I must say
04:08pm 11/05/11 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
3636 posts
you're striping then mirroring, so you get double the performance of a single usb drive and then you mirror that stripe to get redundancy
mdadm should handle it no worries, as for reading/writing speeds you are only running the OS from the usb drives, so the disk access to SATA should be just as fast as if you were running off a sata drive

Thanks guy, you sure gave me neat info. That, unlike an apple device, changes everything! (now considering some interesting pointless experiments with masses of otherwise useless sticks).
05:51pm 11/05/11 Permalink
teq
Brisbane, Queensland
10846 posts
downloading debian 6.0.1 to mine now ;)
waiting for wifey to pick me up from work because i dont wanna take it on the train
05:54pm 11/05/11 Permalink
Splash
Brisbane, Queensland
2671 posts
so I ordered two of these from dessytek on sunday night

got confirmation email saying it was processed at 1:50am monday

website showed it had been shipped, but no tracking info available

I emailed them today to find out where my order is, apparently my order has been put on backorder. However a friend that ordered AFTER me on the same night has already got his!

not. f*****g. happy.

they claim they'll know by monday/tuesday next week if they can complete the backorders... don't like the chances seeing as every where else in Australia is out of stock.
04:38pm 12/05/11 Permalink
teq
Brisbane, Queensland
10861 posts
just spec'd one of the three today with 5 x 3TB Hitachi drives

i'll stop rubbing it in now :p
04:51pm 12/05/11 Permalink
jmr
Brisbane, Queensland
7151 posts
whats that like 12TB? What the f*** are you going to do with that
04:58pm 12/05/11 Permalink
jmr
Brisbane, Queensland
7152 posts
I might write up a little mini-howto, as enough people have asked me (even though I'm learning this all myself as I go along). Would that be helpful if I did?


I think everyone missed this, defo do it

I will even host it for you
05:30pm 12/05/11 Permalink
HerbalLizard
Brisbane, Queensland
4921 posts
Host the review of the server on the server

We are waiting for the bosses to decide what's happening with the few we got in.

PITA
07:30pm 12/05/11 Permalink
teq
Brisbane, Queensland
10863 posts
What the f*** are you going to do with that


they're under $200 now

In the last 6 months I've put more than 44 of these 3TB drives into custom built storage boxes for work, we use them for all kinds of distributed storage where we focus on many slower disks with huge storage than less smaller/faster/more expensive disks

I bought one for myself this time because I've needed a new nas for ages
09:35pm 12/05/11 Permalink
jmr
Brisbane, Queensland
7154 posts
No I just mean how on earth are you going to fill 12TB
08:37am 13/05/11 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
5399 posts
Yeah, especially if you're on Optus now that they're blocking TPB :P
09:21am 13/05/11 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
6929 posts
I thought I couldn't fill 2TB but that only took about 8 months, now I'm down to only 1TB left of my 4TB and starting to think about upgrading :(

HD movies (the ones I make at home) take up a massive amount of space.
09:25am 13/05/11 Permalink
teq
Brisbane, Queensland
10866 posts
Sadly, I'm a media hoarder :~(
09:37am 13/05/11 Permalink
HerbalLizard
Brisbane, Queensland
4922 posts
Sadly, I'm a media hoarder :~(
Thinly veiled can I has the pr0n
08:31pm 13/05/11 Permalink
tspec
Melbourne, Victoria
3135 posts
Looks like there are some more in stock if anyone wants to jump on it now. Some guy on overclockers just bought one direct from HP. Details in his post.
01:52pm 17/05/11 Permalink
teq
Brisbane, Queensland
10901 posts
Look how beautifully this usb drive mounts inside the enclosure
http://jack.unix.org.au/~brett/images/micro/micro1.JPG

http://jack.unix.org.au/~brett/images/micro/micro2.JPG


booting off a single USB drive at the moment, but it's suposedly the "fastest usb2.0 thumb drive ever"
5 x 3TB SATA disks (1 is in the 5.25" bay)

love these things
03:22pm 17/05/11 Permalink
tspec
Melbourne, Victoria
3136 posts
Mine is in pieces atm, doing some firmware upgrades on a couple raid cards im going to ebay. It's good to know you were able to fit 3Tb drives in there though, I'd love to know what temp the drives are running at given they're practically pressed up against eachother in the case.
03:41pm 17/05/11 Permalink
teq
Brisbane, Queensland
10903 posts
the case actually appears to have pretty good ventilation
this is based purely on the suction I feel when I put my hand over the front panel in front of the drives
03:49pm 17/05/11 Permalink
Clubby
Brisbane, Queensland
565 posts
Teq's picture made me buy 2 .... :S ...
11:33am 18/05/11 Permalink
jmr
Brisbane, Queensland
7157 posts
So is booting of a USB drive ideal is it ?

And why does it matter how fast it is ? Isn't it just going to load a minimal OS then sit there idle >?
11:36am 18/05/11 Permalink
teq
Brisbane, Queensland
10908 posts
the usb stick is slower than booting off a hard drive, im booting off USB so I can allocate all 5 disks purely to storage as 1 large raid5 array with a huge single partition
the idea being if the operating system fails, I have a backup on a spare usb key sitting in the desk
all i have to do is pug it in and away it goes
11:40am 18/05/11 Permalink
Clubby
Brisbane, Queensland
566 posts
storage as 1 large raid5 array


What you using to do the Raid5 with? I thought the hardware controllers only did raid 0 or 1 ...
11:49am 18/05/11 Permalink
jmr
Brisbane, Queensland
7158 posts
It is software raid5 because the hardware controller is s*** anyway
11:50am 18/05/11 Permalink
jmr
Brisbane, Queensland
7159 posts
So the only real reason is to have the ability to keep the storage array discrete from the boot array.

The advantages are easier recovery from failed boot USB ?

I just don't 100% understand why you wouldn't just stick the OS on the RAID-5 array seeings it is somewhat redundant anyway ?
11:52am 18/05/11 Permalink
`ViPER`
Brisbane, Queensland
3919 posts
I just don't 100% understand why you wouldn't just stick the OS on the RAID-5 array seeings it is somewhat redundant anyway ?


allows you to rebuild the array or do a number of things without worrying about the OS.

Keeping OS drive and data drives on separate physical disks is generally best practice.
11:56am 18/05/11 Permalink
teq
Brisbane, Queensland
10909 posts
The advantages are easier recovery from failed boot USB ?


correct, if something f**** up it's a simple matter of replacing the USB key with a known-working bootable image

and yes it's all software raid because the "hardware" raid controller is poo, the machine has plenty of grunt to do software raid without batting an eye lid
11:57am 18/05/11 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
278 posts
because you can is the simple answer, because you can,

it also looks neat while getting all that space as just space, not OS in there, easier to swap out drives down the track too i would imagine
11:58am 18/05/11 Permalink
teq
Brisbane, Queensland
10911 posts
check it, building the array

root@micro:~# mdadm --create /dev/md0 --chunk=1024 --raid-level=raid5 --raid-devices=5 /dev/sda /dev/sdb /dev/sdc /dev/sdd /dev/sde
mdadm: Defaulting to version 1.2 metadata
mdadm: array /dev/md0 started.

root@micro:~# date ; time mkfs.ext4 /dev/md0 ; date
Wed May 18 12:51:19 EST 2011
mke2fs 1.41.12 (17-May-2010)
Filesystem label=
OS type: Linux
Block size=4096 (log=2)
Fragment size=4096 (log=2)
Stride=256 blocks, Stripe width=1024 blocks
732569600 inodes, 2930265088 blocks
146513254 blocks (5.00%) reserved for the super user
First data block=0
Maximum filesystem blocks=4294967296
89425 block groups
32768 blocks per group, 32768 fragments per group
8192 inodes per group
Superblock backups stored on blocks:
32768, 98304, 163840, 229376, 294912, 819200, 884736, 1605632, 2654208,
4096000, 7962624, 11239424, 20480000, 23887872, 71663616, 78675968,
102400000, 214990848, 512000000, 550731776, 644972544, 1934917632,
2560000000


this is going to take aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaages

It's been running 5 minutes already and it's only at 2400 / 89425
12:55pm 18/05/11 Permalink
jmr
Brisbane, Queensland
7161 posts
I estimate 186 minutes
01:06pm 18/05/11 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
5415 posts
Cat /proc/mdstat will tell you how long.
01:13pm 18/05/11 Permalink
teq
Brisbane, Queensland
10912 posts
yeah it's only going to be another hour or so, it's at about 50% right now
I'll post some speeds when it's done, I don't expect it to be off the charts but anything over a few hundred megabit would be fine considering it's a sub $200 machine ;)
01:57pm 18/05/11 Permalink
Clubby
Brisbane, Queensland
567 posts
did you put more memory in it Teq? I saw over at OCAU someone was doing a memory special in the thread.
02:21pm 18/05/11 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
6950 posts
Sif not XFS for large volumes*

* no scientific evidence available other than trog saying to use it.
02:36pm 18/05/11 Permalink
teq
Brisbane, Queensland
10913 posts
yeah I have 4gb of ram here for it, I just haven't bothered putting it in yet
the format just finished


Writing inode tables: rdone
Creating journal (32768 blocks): done
Writing superblocks and filesystem accounting information: done

This filesystem will be automatically checked every 20 mounts or
180 days, whichever comes first. Use tune2fs -c or -i to override.

real 147m10.672s
user 0m25.530s
sys 3m41.490s
Wed May 18 15:18:29 EST 2011
root@micro:~#



and the final size is...


root@micro:~# mount /dev/md0 /mnt/storage
root@micro:~# df -h
/dev/md0 11T 159M 11T 1% /mnt/storage


11 terabytes yo


as for speed


root@micro:/mnt/storage# for i in 1 2 3 ; do hdparm -tT /dev/md0 ; done

/dev/md0:
Timing cached reads: 1814 MB in 2.00 seconds = 906.48 MB/sec
Timing buffered disk reads: 716 MB in 3.00 seconds = 238.55 MB/sec

/dev/md0:
Timing cached reads: 1814 MB in 2.00 seconds = 907.27 MB/sec
Timing buffered disk reads: 780 MB in 3.03 seconds = 257.80 MB/sec

/dev/md0:
Timing cached reads: 1790 MB in 2.00 seconds = 895.27 MB/sec
Timing buffered disk reads: 788 MB in 3.00 seconds = 262.37 MB/sec
root@micro:/mnt/storage# bonnie++ -u root
Using uid:0, gid:0.
Writing a byte at a time...done
Writing intelligently...done
Rewriting...done
Reading a byte at a time...done
Reading intelligently...done
start 'em...done...done...done...done...done...
Create files in sequential order...done.
Stat files in sequential order...done.
Delete files in sequential order...done.
Create files in random order...done.
Stat files in random order...done.
Delete files in random order...done.
Version 1.96 ------Sequential Output------ --Sequential Input- --Random-
Concurrency 1 -Per Chr- --Block-- -Rewrite- -Per Chr- --Block-- --Seeks--
Machine Size K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP /sec %CP
micro 2G 360 97 29389 5 21204 5 2179 91 312308 33 554.3 20
Latency 22375us 529ms 471ms 38125us 136ms 98671us
Version 1.96 ------Sequential Create------ --------Random Create--------
micro -Create-- --Read--- -Delete-- -Create-- --Read--- -Delete--
files /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP
16 15980 41 +++++ +++ 21803 40 20097 51 +++++ +++ 23335 43
Latency 349us 797us 882us 333us 29us 63us
1.96,1.96,micro,1,1305690744,2G,,360,97,29389,5,21204,5,2179,91,312308,33,554.3,20,16,,,,,15980,41,+++++,+++,21803,40,20097,51,+++++,+++,23335,43,22375us,529ms,471ms,38125us,136ms,98671us,349us,797us,882us,333us,29us,63us
root@micro:/mnt/storage#


could be better but for a cheap nas at home I don't think anyone would complain :]
03:40pm 18/05/11 Permalink
IVY_MiKe
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory
358 posts
So... tell me folks, I understand that the one or two places that were selling these little gems are sold out...

Anyone know of an alternative source at the awesome (or similar) price??

Also... I F***ING HATE Monthly pay..
05:50pm 18/05/11 Permalink
hardware
Brisbane, Queensland
9008 posts
05:52pm 18/05/11 Permalink
HerbalLizard
Brisbane, Queensland
4924 posts
So this is the go

A specific hp supplier decided to drop the price on these units, two retailers decided to grab as many as they could and dump them at sub $200 (I am not going to name names) OCAU got wind and then built up

First up you guys need to know that hp have heaps of separate divisions which deal in several channels and one hand doesn’t always wash the other

Hp's server division have stated that the supplier did it on their own and had no idea how this had happened or how they acquired the stock so cheap. They have said that they can't supply at the special disty price since its below that division of hp's cost

In the interim Hp retail arm have had huggggge amount of complaints and response by selling through the call centre only for $199

Some f*****g retard keeping posting this onto ozbargin and similar site and further smashes stock levels across all the channels
07:55am 19/05/11 Permalink
jmr
Brisbane, Queensland
7162 posts
Who wants to make me a USB boot drive or two ?

Preferably something that can run a Media GUI with remote or something?
12:00pm 19/05/11 Permalink
tspec
Melbourne, Victoria
3137 posts
Which OS? If ubuntu, there are options and instructions about making bootable USB sticks on their download page:
http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/download
12:04pm 19/05/11 Permalink
kappa
Brisbane, Queensland
1505 posts
12:22pm 19/05/11 Permalink
teq
Brisbane, Queensland
10916 posts
dont use a live disc unless you're using the disc to "install" it to a usb stick or something
you want to be able to modify your filesystem so your changes stick
12:49pm 19/05/11 Permalink
HerbalLizard
Brisbane, Queensland
4926 posts
finally got hold of mine for the low low price of $155 through work just need another 2 now

Its sitting in the box and I honesty don't have the time to even unpack it at the moment it has to wait until after I get back from Malaysia before I can start playing with it

Plans are
4x Hitachi 2tb or 3's (512k model) have not made up my mind yet which one
8gb of eec ram
solaris express 11 with napp-it

I was going to use comstar but I thin napp-it will be fine for my needs
07:01am 21/05/11 Permalink
Skitza
Brisbane, Queensland
9398 posts
HL ^ If I give you 160 + something for your trouble will you buy me one? :) I can't seem to get one at the moment....
09:40am 21/05/11 Permalink
HerbalLizard
Brisbane, Queensland
4929 posts
Sorry matey we can't get any more in at the moment d***er are out ingram what the equivalent of the national deficit per unit.

I need another two total of three for what I am doing or going to do
02:27pm 21/05/11 Permalink
teq
Brisbane, Queensland
10960 posts
herbal have you tried calling HP directly?

also skitz they take 5 drives if you're chasing max storage and dont need a cdrom
03:52pm 21/05/11 Permalink
Skitza
Brisbane, Queensland
9402 posts
Thanks HL. Might have to call HP directly then..

Yeah I have 5x1TB drives sitting here doing nothing and this will be perfect!! ZFS or WHS.
05:22pm 21/05/11 Permalink
HerbalLizard
Brisbane, Queensland
4931 posts
yeah teq gots me the hp hookup but they can't get any more at the cheap price and now the retail channels stock as been raped too
07:53pm 21/05/11 Permalink
IVY_MiKe
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory
363 posts
Lucky find HL grats.

If anymore pop-up or are located... Please post it.

There are still a number of us keen on snagging one... they'd be a greay buy for >$200 but at $5/600 they aren't nearly as attractive.
02:06pm 22/05/11 Permalink
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