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Help choose Work/Gaming Rig
maRtz
Brisbane, Queensland
3154 posts
Hi fella's, pc at work s*** itself and I'm using an old slow arse laptop till I get something better. Looking for something that I can also play games on eg BC2 and future games. I know f*** all about that's out these days and what's compatible with what, I have picked a few bits to get me started please critique.

Case: Antec NSK4000B-II $63
PSU: Corsair AX-750 $217
CPU: Intel Core i7 2600K $335
Mobo: Asus P8P67 Deluxe V3 $325
Ram: Corsair Vengeance CMZ8GX3M2A1600C8 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 $165
SSD: OCZ 120G Vertex III Series SSD $339
DVD: Pioneer SATA DVR219L 24X $48
Video: Gigabyte GF GTX460 1G OC DDR5 $209
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trillion
Brisbane, Queensland
2258 posts
Case: Antec NSK4000B-II $63


I'd go with a Fractal Design but it's purely personal preference

CPU: Intel Core i7 2600K $335


fair enough, Intel still outperform AMD's Phenom's afaik

Mobo: Asus P8P67 Deluxe V3 $325


I'd choose Gigabyte, another decision based on good experiences I've had with the brand.

Ram: Corsair Vengeance CMZ8GX3M2A1600C8 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 $165


I suppose... DDR5 though if you're looking for lower latency timings

SSD: OCZ 120G Vertex III Series SSD $339


SSD mmmmmmmm yes please, no idea haven't seen any comprehensive benchmarks with these, they're still in high r&d development curve last I read (so hardware faults are more common I suppose)

DVD: Pioneer SATA DVR219L 24X $48


Yeah, ok. Plextor out of your budget?

Video: Gigabyte GF GTX460 1G OC DDR5 $209


This will do almost everything DX11 and OpenGL 3 spec without blinking. If you have the scrilla opt for 2 x 580's ?

for $1638 you've spec'd yourself a decent gaming rig. Can always upgrade as you need to later. Those look like Umart prices yeah? Can't go wrong with their warranties and customer service.
12:13pm 29/04/11 Permalink
maRtz
Brisbane, Queensland
3155 posts
Yeah that's all Umart, I order all the bits I want and get them to build it for me, easiest way..

Ram: Corsair Vengeance CMZ8GX3M2A1600C8 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 $165


I suppose... DDR5 though if you're looking for lower latency timings



I never heard of DDR5 ram, isn't it only DDR3? Also is triple channel compatible with this mobo? Cause a couple of the triple channel offerings from corsair say "for X58".. weird.
06:54pm 29/04/11 Permalink
Mantorok
Brisbane, Queensland
5795 posts
DDR5 doesn't exist yet. There's GDDR5 on video cards but that's different (and it's actually based on DDR3).
07:31pm 29/04/11 Permalink
Eds
Brisbane, Queensland
9778 posts
Can't go wrong with their warranties and customer service.


Oh yes you can, their after service is s***.
08:30pm 29/04/11 Permalink
ctd
Brisbane, Queensland
9412 posts
I think MSY charges less for build fee. If you are on a budget save some money that way.
08:31pm 29/04/11 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
2745 posts
I think for the SSD it's better to change to a Crucial RealSSD C300 128G. It's less expensive than your choice, and more reliable since OCZ has some issues apparantly.
08:37pm 29/04/11 Permalink
Rdizz
Brisbane, Queensland
1717 posts
you would probably find that this pc will do dx11 but it wont be the smoothest of things with any kind of AA.

my system has a average framerate of like 30fps with heaven benchmark at 1920x1080 with 4xaa and 8xanio
10:00pm 29/04/11 Permalink
parabol
Brisbane, Queensland
6181 posts
I think for the SSD it's better to change to a Crucial RealSSD C300 128G

I'd go the Vertex III only if daily automated backups are done and absolutely fast hard-drive speed is needed for everyday use. It's unknown yet if OCZ have learned from their mistakes with the Vertex 2. Don't want to backup? Cue "how to recover data" thread :)

My Crucial C300 is still performing well at >55% filled capacity, I still stand behind this drive:

http://users.on.net/~tricksandtraps/images/c300.png
12:18am 30/04/11 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
9897 posts
you would probably find that this pc will do dx11 but it wont be the smoothest of things with any kind of AA.

Did I miss DX10? Pretty sure I'm still using DX9.1c since my card doesn't even support DX10, haha.

plzexplain
12:40am 30/04/11 Permalink
step
Brisbane, Queensland
2249 posts
Video: Gigabyte GF GTX460 1G OC DDR5 $209
Would just get a 560 for the extra $50.
05:53pm 30/04/11 Permalink
EniGma
Brisbane, Queensland
5466 posts
Sorry to hijack thread but on the topic of PC parts.

I need a new PSU as my awesome Dell 475w one isn't coping.

In the market for 600-800w? Does that sound right?

OCZ Fatalt1ty 750W PSU $139
or
Enermax 800W Modular PSU 87+ $218.00
which is almost double.....
and
Corsair HX-650 $145

I got some mixed reviews on the OCZ PSU.

My comp isn't properly booting since I put 3 new HDD one of which was a SSD and my soundcard which now needs a dedicated 4pin molex (Dell PSU have 0 molex on them GG).

Thoughts?
06:22pm 30/04/11 Permalink
Infidel
Netherlands
3517 posts
I've been looking at getting a PC as I havent had one for about 5-6 years now, whats confusing is all these different sockets for the intel cpu's is it something to worry about or is the 1150 socket one good enough
06:45pm 30/04/11 Permalink
Infidel
Netherlands
3518 posts
ok ... found some differences and I guess the 1155 is the choice
03:46am 02/05/11 Permalink
Infidel
Netherlands
3519 posts
the video question also confusing, ATI or nvidia and which models ... ah too complicated now

6850, 6870 or 6950 if ati
03:54am 02/05/11 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
3589 posts
Just as a fyi- i replaced my enermax power supply when it exploded with a cheaper fatal1ty OCZ thing. It's damn stable though. Then again so was the enermax until it went up in a giant flash of light and smelling of burn. I had my feet on the case too, you know, as a footrest.

I like nvidia. Always. Just a personal preference but no matter the price performance ratio you think you're getting, i tend to find nvidia get s*** stable always. And by always, I mean as long as the card isn't defective.

I was going to grab like 2 570's, one now and one in a couple of months time, but picked up a 470 for 150 second hand so i'm running that and will search for a second one of those in the future. Goes great with the 2500k anyway. I went for the slightly cheaper sandy bridge. Overall my 3dmark scores went up lots.

I think 3dmark03 bugged, but i got a fairly high score on it
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg195/skythra/qgl/3dmark03.png
05:31am 03/05/11 Permalink
step
Brisbane, Queensland
2252 posts
I think 3dmark03 bugged, but i got a fairly high score on it
Try vantage at least.
07:47am 03/05/11 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
3590 posts
Try vantage at least.

Lol i did all of them i was just showing it for a laugh. Scores are pretty much medicore of what you'd expect with the system without overclocking maybe shockingly even a little lower,
vantage: 15761
3dmark11: 4337
3dmark06: 22340

Mild overclock gave 4508 3dmark11 scores

There is a nice comparison though, with the i5, i ran the test using both the 9800gx2 and the 470 to see how much performance the videocard money gave:

Vantage with 9800gx2: 12277
Vantage with 470 (above): 15761
28% increase with the 150 dollar second hand part so not too shabby.
12:09pm 03/05/11 Permalink
ara
Sydney, New South Wales
3258 posts
i just built a sandy vadge pc.

2600k with asus p8p67 mobo. runs win7 very nicely.

been playing with running snow leopard on it last couple of days for s**** and giggles.

pretty straight forward for the p8p67.
12:13pm 03/05/11 Permalink
Infidel
Netherlands
3521 posts
cheers ara, thats kind of the system I have but its still confusing, why is there three models of that mother board ...
02:31am 04/05/11 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
3597 posts
cheers ara, thats kind of the system I have but its still confusing, why is there three models of that mother board ...

There's like 3 models of every motherboard right now, check out what the extra's are. for mine it was the PCB was black and the coolers looked.. snazzier (avoiding the word cool).

The other similarities with boards with the same number with a bunch of tacked on -ltrs letters generally might imply things like, onboard vga, onboard wireless, extra ports, maybe something else too.

for example this is that motherbard in the enthusiest form:
http://lh4.googleusercontent.com/public/V7a1xioABdzZrHlUVKgqjrwYMiCRCXlGmpKfELGwkgz6ugP9IiQ7hS0KNltLuc3Lsgr2pHpjCuUa1kRBrqiYvurohVMNNoBO0xEtGGmF54Nqg_HIi9cFhedVZ_RiwE9O

This is another version which is not so enthusiest
http://lh4.googleusercontent.com/public/EF4R6zM2lOoXQn_llfesUskrbF-WvUK656phA0eAesynPLAhoyi3y7TlyrecU-1O-yvTSWz4NadNjMtEEUhKH5z2wQHTctNVzXLvp0N-kNAODxskaxok5HZME1QFddtYeKBb0zhvn4kv30hTFtYb_26mdFI

So what's different?

Well for example, the former has better sli capabilities, more bandwidth for when you add more video cards. Kind of useful if you're going to run sli.

Another difference is things like USB slots, one clearly has more than the other, etc etc.

Check out the manufacturer page really to find real details.
03:18am 04/05/11 Permalink
Infidel
Netherlands
3522 posts
thanks Skythra, I did check out Asus and Asrock. The p67 chipset seems to be the choice of the moment so its one of those several models.
04:22am 04/05/11 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
3600 posts
thanks Skythra, I did check out Asus and Asrock. The p67 chipset seems to be the choice of the moment so its one of those several models.

Don't forget to check out gigabyte, i moved over from asus to gigabyte a few years ago after 4 boards on my 4 machines previously faulted after a couple of years (forcing the upgrade).
I think each time i decided i just got unlucky, and i probably did. I've had friends with the oposite that gigabyte has had failures on them. But who knows. Electronics break sometimes.

But I'd stand behind gigabyte personally as being very good.
02:14pm 04/05/11 Permalink
ara
Sydney, New South Wales
3259 posts

yeah, they have more addons. asus have a nice feature on their website where you can check a few mobos and compare them.

i went with the standard one because it had everything i needed. the lower spec LE has a different overclocking/power system so i avoided it. the pro has an second nic (intel chipset) that i probally could have got but it wasn't worth the extra 40$.

when i first set up this hackintosh it only had intel nic support, which was annoying. the guy who made the boot disk had a pro. after a bit of tweaking i got the realtek nic working so all is good.
02:50pm 04/05/11 Permalink
Infidel
Netherlands
3523 posts
Haven't had a PC for about 6 years I think, ended ordering this today, stuck with ASUS for the intel NIC and it was confusing on how to pick the right motherboard on gigabytes site + lost patience, all up about 1000 euros

1 x G.Skill 8GB DDR3 PC3-12800 DC Kit 0 €79,50 RMA aanvragen
1 x Intel Core i5 2500K Boxed 1 €169,90 RMA aanvragen
1 x Asus P8P67 PRO Rev.3.0 0 €147,80 RMA aanvragen
1 x MSI N560GTX-Ti Twin Frozr II 1 €193,70 RMA aanvragen
1 x Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 SATA 1TB 1 €49,30 RMA aanvragen
1 x DELL U2311H 1 €209,90 RMA aanvragen
1 x Antec Three Hundred - EU 0 €55,80 RMA aanvragen
1 x Antec TP-650 EC 0 €97,80 RMA aanvragen
1 x Microsoft Sidewinder X6 Keyboard Win USB Port English International Europe CD 0 €57,70 RMA aanvragen
1 x Logitech MX 518 0 €29,80 RMA aanvragen
1 x Lite-On iHAS322 0 €19,50 RMA aanvragen
02:54am 10/05/11 Permalink
maRtz
Brisbane, Queensland
3161 posts
I would add a SSD as your windows/programs and games drive.
06:52am 10/05/11 Permalink
Infidel
Netherlands
3526 posts
probably can look into it later, still new to all this again, the ssd's again have lots of brands and different specs. Do you get PCIX or sata format etc
07:26am 11/05/11 Permalink
Rdizz
Brisbane, Queensland
1718 posts
pinky dx11 is the shiz
08:33am 11/05/11 Permalink
parabol
Brisbane, Queensland
6210 posts
1 x Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 SATA 1TB 1 €49,30 RMA

Would suggest frequent backups with this particular drive :)
08:33am 11/05/11 Permalink
Infidel
Netherlands
3529 posts
only going to be a gaming PC so dont need any backups, all my stuff is on macbooks. which drive would you have gone with parabol? i remember you saying something similar about OCZ ssd drives.
05:25pm 11/05/11 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
2770 posts
Try some Samsung 1TB Spinpoint F3's. They go for $60 each here at umart and according to their 98 positive reviews, are great drives.
05:33pm 11/05/11 Permalink
parabol
Brisbane, Queensland
6214 posts
which drive would you have gone with parabol? i remember you saying something similar about OCZ ssd drives.

Mechanical drive? Probably the Samsung Spinpoint 1TB as the [catastrophic] failure rate seems to be less than half of the Seagate's. I have one and they're very fast. Wouldn't bother with an SSD-only setup for a gaming rig unless you have a crazy amount of money to blow on a large drive or delete your games after finishing them to free up space on a less-expensive smaller drive.

Though if you play a bunch of games very frequently, it might be worth putting them specifically on an SSD (Steam games can be individually moved and sym-linked very easily and transparently) and keeping the less frequent games on mechanical, which is what I do. Saves on load times and general snappiness of the games and smooth dynamic loading of content.
i remember you saying something similar about OCZ ssd drives.

Only to stay away from OCZ for now :) Crucial (the C300) gets great reviews for good reason!

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step
Brisbane, Queensland
2258 posts
Crucial (the C300) gets great reviews for good reason!
They did.
Crucial have released the M4 version now.

Oh and the Vertex 3's are getting the rave reviews too.
05:54pm 11/05/11 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
2771 posts
I got a PC being built with my first SSD. Can anyone point me to a good source of info about what I should do to help improve the life of it? I know there is a bunch of things that should be turned off that are on by default in windows 7.
07:07pm 11/05/11 Permalink
parabol
Brisbane, Queensland
6215 posts
They did.
Crucial have released the M4 version now.

Oh and the Vertex 3's are getting the rave reviews too.

Of good performance no doubt. However neither have been out long enough to draw any conclusions about reliability, which was the main issue most people had with the Vertex II. That info will be clear in a few months, but hey if you back up regularly you might be fine risking that.
Can anyone point me to a good source of info about what I should do to help improve the life of it?

I can point you to a source you should not follow:

http://www.mydellmini.com/forum/windows-7/2441-windows-7-ultimate-solid-state-drive-speed-tweaks.html

Almost everything they list there is bad advice. Instead keep indexing on for fast searches (it's quick to index on ssd anyway, write cycles don't really matter in the real world), Win7 doesn't defrag SSDs by default so no need to touch it, leave write-caching alone, don't touch pre-fetch, don't for the love of god disable the pagefile, keep system restore cause you might need a rollback. Only bit of good advice on that site and the only thing I ever did for my SSD: disable hibernate if you don't use it.

Often no advice is better than bad advice.
08:48pm 11/05/11 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
2773 posts
Thanks para. I use sleep on my pc right now but for some reason can't get it to go into hibernation. I doubt i'll use it on my new PC though as booting will be faster. Also did they all just copy the original article that came out with those tips or something since everything i've found tonight says the exact same thing. Disable pre-fetch/super fetch, page file and all that stuff.

With the page file though it's usualy said to be what? about 2x your max ram isn't it or somewhere like that. What should it be set for in a SSD? i'll have 8gb ram in my new system. I never search for anything, ever, since I remember where everything on my PC is so i'll disable that.

Oh and what's this about switching from AHCI to SATA in the Bios?

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11:14pm 11/05/11 Permalink
koopz
Brisbane, Queensland
9359 posts
mixing work with gaming on the same PC isn't a sound choice I've found.



last edited by koopz at 23:54:57 11/May/11
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parabol
Brisbane, Queensland
6217 posts
I use sleep on my pc right now but for some reason can't get it to go into hibernation.

I gave up on that stuff a while ago. Random PCs I've built over the years: some could sleep but not hibernate, some could only do the inverse, some could do both, some none, some could hibernate then after a year randomly could not. Most of them with premium motherboards, which left me scratching my head.
With the page file though it's usualy said to be what? about 2x your max ram isn't it or somewhere like that.

I just let windows manage that. It just sits there at around 12GB on my system at the moment for my 12GB of ram.
Oh and what's this about switching from AHCI to SATA in the Bios?

Oh right. Yeah before you install Windows go into the bios settings and change your disk controller settings from IDE/SATA/whatever to AHCI. Then install Windows and I'd recommend sticking to the stock Windows 7 disk drivers (unless you have a specific reason not to) - they are pretty good and pass TRIM commands on most hardware.

If you've already installed windows but not in AHCI mode, if you change the setting to AHCI and try to boot you'll get a BSOD. There's an easy registry change that forces Windows to scan the controller settings properly on next boot to prevent that from happening.
12:04am 12/05/11 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
2774 posts
Ah ok so deffinatly change into AHCI mode. Gotcha. Thanks again.
10:05am 12/05/11 Permalink
ara
Sydney, New South Wales
3267 posts
that mobo is win.

i got the non-pro which wasn't a deal breaker but was just a bit cheaper. it auto overlocked my 2600k to 3500 with memory running at 2ghz. when turbo kicks in the cpu ramps up to 4.5ghz. this is all with the stock heatsink and the bios set to standard.

I got windows7 running on it nice and zippy, no problems. then set up macos via iboot on another drive. some guy has made a custom iboot cd for this particular motherboard so it is very straightforward. like installing windows on a machine that required a driver disk for an unsupported hdd controller back in the day.

macos is now my main work OS and then i boot back into windows7 when i want to game.

900$ for sandy vadge 4.5ghz 8gb mac. can't complain there.
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