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Geert Wilders on Islam
Vash
3682 posts
Here's my favorite bloke at the moment. I listened to a piece on Triple J hack with some Muslim moron inciting his views as hatred and racist, though i can't see any of his words as being racist...
Hating on a religion or ideology is far from racist.

Anyway, thoughts?

http://www.smh.com.au/national/islam-a-dangerous-and-totalitarian-ideology-wilders-20130219-2epx5.html
11:58pm 19/02/13 Permalink
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11:58pm 19/02/13 Permalink
cainer
Brisbane, Queensland
1873 posts
i haven't listened to him speak but in this day and age speaking the truth in a world full of PC gone mad and lies is outrageous. white guilt, the emasculation of men, islam being a religion of peace - can't speak out on any of them. taboo.

12:09am 20/02/13 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
22259 posts
Article was worthless so I wikied him.

Take a walk down the street and see where this is going. You no longer feel like you are living in your own country. There is a battle going on and we have to defend ourselves. Before you know it there will be more mosques than churches!

Islam is the Trojan Horse in Europe. If we do not stop Islamification now, Eurabia and Netherabia will just be a matter of time. One century ago, there were approximately 50 Muslims in the Netherlands. Today, there are about 1 million Muslims in this country. Where will it end? We are heading for the end of European and Dutch civilisation as we know it. Where is our Prime Minister in all this? In reply to my questions in the House he said, without batting an eyelid, that there is no question of our country being Islamified. Now, this reply constituted a historical error as soon as it was uttered. Very many Dutch citizens, Madam Speaker, experience the presence of Islam around them. And I can report that they have had enough of burkas, headscarves, the ritual slaughter of animals, so‑called honour revenge, blaring minarets, female circumcision, hymen restoration operations, abuse of homosexuals, Turkish and Arabic on the buses and trains as well as on town hall leaflets, halal meat at grocery shops and department stores, Sharia exams, the Finance Minister's Sharia mortgages, and the enormous overrepresentation of Muslims in the area of crime, including Moroccan street terrorists.
Yep! No islamophobia here!

No wonder a dolt like you would like him. You should stop blaming the world for you being a friendless creep who no-one likes and start looking at yourself a bit.
12:10am 20/02/13 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
22260 posts
white guilt, the emasculation of men, islam being a religion of peace
Islamaphobe, racist c***, men's rights activist, science denier and a lolbertarian. Let me guess, you post on reddit quite a bit don't you?

If you don't, can you point me in the direction of the echo chamber that made you the way you are? It's gloomy weather and I need a good laugh - infi's drivel didn't quite cut it today.
12:14am 20/02/13 Permalink
cainer
Brisbane, Queensland
1874 posts
So you are saying you have a problem with him because he is seeing the very culture his country has being slowly overrun with that of a foreign one ?

And I can report that they have had enough of burkas, headscarves, the ritual slaughter of animals, so‑called honour revenge, blaring minarets, female circumcision, hymen restoration operations, abuse of homosexuals, Turkish and Arabic on the buses and trains as well as on town hall leaflets, halal meat at grocery shops and department stores, Sharia exams, the Finance Minister's Sharia mortgages, and the enormous overrepresentation of Muslims in the area of crime, including Moroccan street terrorists.


It's been about since the 60s that it's been a cultural crime in western society to have a single bit of pride and value in it's self. There has been a systematic decimation since, allowing hordes of foreigners in, signing over rights to govern (regarding immiagration) to foreign entities (EU), pandering to minorities. Most of Europe has begun to lose it's own identity. Go visit London or Paris, spot whitey, the indigenous race. A minority in their own capital. The self hating whities of the world have a lot to answer for its just a shame they have gotten to positions of power where they can institute policies that none of the populace ever voted for in the first place. The UK government is too scared to hold a referendum to see if the population wants out of the EU. Wonder why?
12:25am 20/02/13 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
20662 posts
F*** off, cainer has to be a troll account, that can't be a real person's opinion surely
12:35am 20/02/13 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
22261 posts
So you are saying you have a problem with him because he is seeing the very culture his country has being slowly overrun with that of a foreign one ?
Yeah but the thing is, this isn't true. It's just total fear mongering targeted towards the credulous. Like, you say that white people are becoming minorities in their own capital. The ethnic Dutch population in the Netherlands is 79%. The total population of those that could be described as Islamic is 6.6%. The numbers are very similar to this in every country that is apparently being 'overrun' by muslims. All you have is a bunch of s*** you've read and swallowed in your safe little reddit echo chamber, but do you have a single statistic or (credible) article to back it up?

Anyway, you are pretty much patient zero when it comes to lolbertarian internet douchebag so I am looking forward to your cognitive dissonance laden response which may have a SHOCKING TRUTH youtube video attached to it for me to laugh at and ignore.
12:41am 20/02/13 Permalink
FaceMan
Brisbane, Queensland
9921 posts
Islam is Totalitarianism
it doesnt tollerate other Religions
It doesnt tollerate The Law
It is the law.
It defines the rights and social values of the people oppressed by it.

Moderate Muslims who accept other Religions and understand The Law is above thier Religion can live quite happy lives here and elsewhere, they are not who Wilders is talking about.

Those ppl protesting werent Muslims they were the lefty trash of the Socialist Alliance. I saw their banner on LateLine. I wonder why no Greens candidates were there ?
They were prolly at home crying over their break-up with Labor.
gee do you think they will ever get back together ?

12:41am 20/02/13 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
22262 posts
The total white population of London is 59.8% according to wiki. Sure sounds like a minority to me!

edit: also lol dailymail. You do realise that paper is considered the biggest joke in the UK and is only read by the most heavily clad in ADIDAS chavs right?
12:44am 20/02/13 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
19522 posts
the problem with islam is that it's a one way street. they get to hurl abuse about how intolerant aussies (or british, or americans ) are yet they are highly intolerant of other views themselves

it's very hip and edgey at the moment to ridicule those who call out anti-social behaviour so please excuse fpot.

Preytell do any of these Muslim countries have immigration/refugee friendly policies?

12:46am 20/02/13 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
22263 posts
the problem with islam is that it's a one way street. they get to hurl abuse about how intolerant aussies (or british, or americans ) are yet they are highly intolerant of other views themselves
One of our major political parties has a STOP THE BOATS campaign which is a policy tailor made to drum up support from the ignorant bigot crowd. There was that news article today about the dude in the turban and all of the comments in it were about muslims and how they won't integrate and go home if you don't like it! The man was sikh. You yourself believe that muslims are savages, and it is okay to lock them up because they might be terrorists and savage treatment is all savages understand.

Imagine for a second that there was an actual push to call Australia day Citizen's day and not just a made up one. Imagine the seething outrage as a million southern cross tattooed bogans cried out, and were suddenly silenced. There is no one-way street here. There is a large amount of intolerance and it is going both ways. You can either choose to be a part of it, or you can choose to be a man and not a f*****g baby and not take part in it. Is your solution to intolerance and hatred really to just add more intolerance and hatred? And you call me irrational. Irony and stuff.
01:00am 20/02/13 Permalink
cainer
Brisbane, Queensland
1876 posts
oh fpot, so the census data is manipulated by reddit ?

i'm not talking about muslims, i'm talking about foreigners. if you're talking about foreigners, then yes western countries are being overrun.

if you're talking about raw numbers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign-born_population_of_the_United_Kingdom

7.3 million foreigners legal plus 1-2 million illegal immigrants to 54 million indigenous.
up more then 50% in 10 years.

then you have immigration restrictions coming to an end in 2014 allowing the floodgates to open for another 1.5 million + polish, romanian and bulgarian immigrants.

this is all a bit outrageous though.
01:01am 20/02/13 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
22264 posts
What the hell? The very stats you are posting are making a mockery of your claims before that white people are becoming a minority in their own countries/cities.
01:04am 20/02/13 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
19523 posts
look at the TREND: 30 years ago, 20 years ago etc etc. cmon this is basic stuff.

Would Saudi Arabia permit it?
01:06am 20/02/13 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
22265 posts
So you are suggesting that the trend is completely linear? I highly doubt that it is.
Would Saudi Arabia permit it?
If anyone else said this I'd be confused at the point they are trying to make, but because it is you I think I have a pretty good idea.

No of course they don't. Saudi Arabia is a corrupt s***hole with misogynistic, xenophobic and at times sadistic practices carried out by the government. The point I think you are trying to make is 'well this country is terrible, so why do we bother being so nice?'. And as I type that out, I realise I don't actually see your point. What is it?
01:13am 20/02/13 Permalink
cainer
Brisbane, Queensland
1877 posts
fpot - just because you have the inability to perceive exponential growth doesn't mean it's not real
01:14am 20/02/13 Permalink
DecayingCorpse
Brisbane, Queensland
2130 posts
islam, like the other religions are a cancer on this planet that infect and destroy humanity.

religion is the problem, not where a person is from.
01:44am 20/02/13 Permalink
Superform
Netherlands
7682 posts
in NL he is considered a joke - but he was elected into parliament so i guess the o\joke is on the dutch

if he got into power i would have to go back to Australia apparently
01:50am 20/02/13 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
20663 posts
I don't get how being white equates to being british (or french or norwegian or any of the other places listed). Isn't someone who isn't white, but is born in britian, and grows up there and lives there just as british as the next person? I wasn't aware british culture revolved around being white, I thought it revolved around being british. So things are changing a bit and evolving, as one culture appropriates bits of another, cultures do that, its healthy, it ensures the group thrives instead of turning in upon itself and stagnating while the rest of the world over-takes it. Close-minded, bigoted, backwards 'white power' rhetoric on the other hand, serves no good at all.
02:01am 20/02/13 Permalink
Superform
Netherlands
7685 posts
his point though is deeper then brown or white - you have to understand that the dutch can have legal drugs and booze at 16 etc - it works because of the very strong family values - muslims come in and just run amok - cause crime and dont want anything to do with dutch culture - so ordinary dutch take great offense to this.. so d*******s like gert get voted in.

mostly its scare mongering though - although i did go to Utrecht the other day and they are building a f***** huge mosque in a very prominent part of the town - but in fairness its a mostly muslim neighborhood - but i can imagine its very confronting for ordinary dutch who have to drive past it every day
02:13am 20/02/13 Permalink
Zakson
Gold Coast, Queensland
367 posts
In all fairness, if Muslims didn't want people to hate them they wouldn't have such stupid beliefs.
02:29am 20/02/13 Permalink
Viper119
UK
1877 posts
The Daily Mail is indeed one of the most racist, bigoted and laughable media outlets the UK has, people don't generally hold it in high regard!

59.8% isn't a minority! You also have to factor that London is exceptionally different to the rest of the UK, much like New York in the USA and Tokyo, Paris, etc. I think you'd find the stats for the rest of the UK vs London would be rather different.

Also factor the UK has been doing large-scale and sustained legal (as well as illegal) immigration for well over a hundred years.

I've often thought this whole scenario of the re-setting of the balance of other races v whites in certain regions like the US and Australia is because these places were colonised by whites from Europe, they don't actually have white indigenous populations. So don't you think it normal that over time, the demographics would change back towards what they were based on the region and it's indigenous peeps? Look at the demographics of the USA and how much it's changed, a key aspect of which was the Republicans downfall, they lost the latino vote in a major way. I suppose this doesn't factor for the changes due to immigration from completely different regions.
03:43am 20/02/13 Permalink
kos
Germany
2513 posts
In all fairness, if Muslims religions didn't want people to hate them they wouldn't have such stupid beliefs.

fixed
04:02am 20/02/13 Permalink
SheerObesity
Melbourne, Victoria
31 posts
As predicted, the usual looney looney far left suspects have turned up, angry over the exercising of free speech.

Communist groups such as the socialist alternative/alliance turned up and began assaulting guests trying to enter the meeting. It's a sad state of affairs that people can't even enter a peaceful meeting without being assaulted because other people don't agree with the person speaking.

The protestors then clashed with police outside the venue while waving their red flags.

I would like to know where all these red protestors were when Taji Mustafa, a member of the executive committee in Britain of the sharia supporting, islamist supporting, terrorist supporting, global islamic caliphate advocating Hizb ut-Tahrir party came to Australia a couple of months ago and similar conferences?
04:23am 20/02/13 Permalink
SheerObesity
Melbourne, Victoria
32 posts
I also note that some people in this thread are desperately trying to link Geert Wilders argument to race. This is what the media and other opponents do so that they can create a narrative that Geert Wilders is a racist.

Race isn't even mentioned in Geert Wilders arguments so people who try to take the whole topic off course with talks of "race" are trying a one twosie.
04:29am 20/02/13 Permalink
qmass
Queensland
10524 posts
so hes not racist hes just a bigot?
04:37am 20/02/13 Permalink
SheerObesity
Melbourne, Victoria
33 posts
so hes not racist hes just a bigot?


Does being against an intolerant totalitarian ideology make you a bigot?
04:51am 20/02/13 Permalink
Nerf Lord
Brisbane, Queensland
7309 posts
Lol, I am super anti-Islam (and most religions/cults), but you demagogue-wankers (SheerObesity, infi, cainer, etc) are terrible at hiding your true colours.
05:16am 20/02/13 Permalink
SheerObesity
Melbourne, Victoria
34 posts
Lol, I am super anti-Islam (and most religions/cults),


So am i. So i don't see how i am different to you? According to qmass and others, we both qualify as bigots and racists for refusing to support totalitarian medieval cults that believe in an imaginary person that doesn't exist.
06:40am 20/02/13 Permalink
Nerf Lord
Brisbane, Queensland
7310 posts
Because, sheer, you've shown your true colours across the board by citing people like Andrew Bolt, with your typical demagogue political arguments, with your throwing around of words like "communists" and "looney left". You're not an independent thinker, these are just catch phrases from the lowest common denominator loudmouths within our society, who you've obviously been listening to (as did I, once, so there is hope for you).

Separate your criticism of Islam from all the random political flailing about things like boogy men communists, loony lefts, etc, which is a whole load of political baggage and unrelated ideologies, and make an effort to ensure that your cited stats and facts actually do reflect reality, and aren't just the quickest route to rage, anger, and hysteria.
06:57am 20/02/13 Permalink
HerbalLizard
Brisbane, Queensland
5723 posts
Does being against an intolerant totalitarian ideology make you a bigot?
In this case I think no, the guy has somewhat of a point. I think like all religions they are free to practice it, but they should keep it to themselves.
07:43am 20/02/13 Permalink
thermite
Brisbane, Queensland
10776 posts
The thing about muslims is... we spend our whole life getting used to foreign people, other cultures, and nobody ever hears of something called a muslim. Yeah theres Disney's Aladin, but I've never seen it.

And when you're growing up people from other countries are doing anything they can to fit in, to belong to our culture in a pro-active meaningful way. The only obstacle they have is ignorant people or racists.

Then suddenly 9/11 happened and here they are, and everywhere, and they don't just seem like they're from another country, but from another world entirely.

And they don't want to fit in. They want you to fit in.
09:44am 20/02/13 Permalink
SheerObesity
Melbourne, Victoria
35 posts
Because, sheer, you've shown your true colours across the board by citing people like Andrew Bolt,

Not sure what "true colours" these are. I haven't quoted or cited Andrew Bolt once on this board.

with your typical demagogue political arguments, with your throwing around of words like "communists" and "looney left".

Look at the photos of this protest and then look at the photos of similar protests and you will see the same people from the same groups. These groups are ultra left groups and include communist groups such as the socialist alliance, socialist alternative and the communist alliance(which is a registered political party) The only far left group missing was the Greens. I guess they didn't want to associate with the other groups who commonly assault people at the protests they organize.
09:44am 20/02/13 Permalink
Twisted
Brisbane, Queensland
11822 posts
Damn muslamics and their death rays!
10:04am 20/02/13 Permalink
Nerf Lord
Brisbane, Queensland
7311 posts
Not sure what "true colours" these are. I haven't quoted or cited Andrew Bolt once on this board.

Oh yes you have, you're just so wrapped up in that circle jerk of mixed ideological frothings that you don't even know what the sources are for some of your claims, such as this.

communist groups such as the socialist alliance, socialist alternative and the communist alliance

That you think that socialist==communist, only further makes it clear that you have been listening to some absolutely rubbish and overly-hysterical ideological demagogues. Furthermore, none of these groups have any relevance to mainstream society. They're just a sideshow compared to the ultra right wing groups such as the Australian Christian Lobby and Exclusive Brethren who have actual political pull.
10:12am 20/02/13 Permalink
eski
Perth, Western Australia
1397 posts
Far out, I didn't know this forum was so packed full of intolerant d***bags.
10:17am 20/02/13 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
19524 posts
And remember folks, if you don't agree with leftist Muslim apologists - you're a bigot. Haha f*** you Nerf. I am plenty independent thinker enough to figure out that these extremists love coming to our country telling us how to live our lives but we cannot do the same to them or else they will claim racism? Wtf
10:40am 20/02/13 Permalink
eski
Perth, Western Australia
1398 posts
Its more like, if you don't agree with one of the foundations of our society - Freedom of religion, then youre a bigot. You don't need to be so fearful, if it was up to you guys we would still be worshipping the Roman gods or some such bulls***.

There's a reason that certain of our society's ideals are held to be self evident - because legislating on which religion people can or can't choose, or who is or isn't welcome in our society - destroys the very values for which our society was created.
10:46am 20/02/13 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
7681 posts
so hes not racist hes just a bigot?

Not sure you understand the meaning of the word 'bigot'.
10:53am 20/02/13 Permalink
SheerObesity
Melbourne, Victoria
36 posts
And remember folks, if you don't agree with leftist Muslim apologists - you're a bigot. Haha f*** you Nerf. I am plenty independent thinker enough to figure out that these extremists love coming to our country telling us how to live our lives but we cannot do the same to them or else they will claim racism? Wtf


It's actually *if you don't agree with leftist Muslim apologists - we will assault you* oh wait, that's only if you show up to a protest involving the socialist alliance and co.

I think Nerf and co think that defending islam and whipping out words like "Racist" and "bigot" makes them "intelligent" while refusing to acknowledge any of the valued points brought about Islam being a backward, extremist, totalitarian ideology.

You are right though, they are apologists. They are too scared to go against the norm and political correctness.
10:56am 20/02/13 Permalink
Nerf Lord
Brisbane, Queensland
7312 posts
Nerf and co think that defending islam and whipping out words like "Racist" and "bigot" makes them "intelligent" while refusing to acknowledge any of the valued points brought about Islam being a backward, extremist, totalitarian ideology.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Let me repeat what I said: I am super anti-Islam. Yet you guys can only handle criticism of your rabid layering of political and idealogical messes and falsehoods together by crying "islamic lover" and "leftist". You're an idiot.

Just going to sidestep your citation of bolt I guess?

Haha f*** you Nerf. I am plenty independent thinker enough to figure out that these extremists love coming to our country telling us how to live our lives but we cannot do the same to them or else they will claim racism?

Can't even begin to dissect this f***ed up straw man of the criticism levied towards you.
11:14am 20/02/13 Permalink
Dazhel
Gold Coast, Queensland
5706 posts
In all fairness, if Muslims religions didn't want people to hate them they wouldn't have such stupid beliefs.


Hate is such a strong word, you shouldn't hate someone just because they talk to sky wizards.
Ridicule is probably a better word.
11:16am 20/02/13 Permalink
SheerObesity
Melbourne, Victoria
37 posts
Let me repeat what I said: I am super anti-Islam.


But you quickly back it up with "oh but i hate every religion" if it was just "i am anti-Islam" it would be "OMG RACIST, BIGOT" etc etc
11:27am 20/02/13 Permalink
Nerf Lord
Brisbane, Queensland
7313 posts
But you quickly back it up with "oh but i hate every religion" if it was just "i am anti-Islam" it would be "OMG RACIST, BIGOT" etc etc

Jesus. You're still refusing to answer the criticisms put towards you, and instead keep vomiting out these stock talking points of the ideologues who you're parroting, despite that they have no relevance to what was said to you.

I'll repeat my criticism of you. You throw in all these misdefinitions of socialist and communist around these discussions, for no particular reason other than it's a convenient fictional enemy, despite not having much relevance to real society. You espouse no original thoughts and just repeat the talking points of a few loud mouth commentators in society who can't get any other job, and you seem more interested in having a tribal pissing war with another identity than identifying any actual problems with Islam.

I am bigoted, towards stupid. Islamic and yours.

Let me sum up your position so that you don't have to repeat it: "Uhh, Islam, I don't like that, and communists!... and... socialists! everybody who doesn't agree with me is a communist muslim lover! My majestic intellect and insight is so oppressed by this out of control pro-muslim-communism, they won't even let me lie, nor play along despite my terrible job at hiding my primarily-xenophobic-driven motivations."
11:34am 20/02/13 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
20666 posts
I think Nerf and co think that defending islam and whipping out words like "Racist" and "bigot" makes them "intelligent"


Yeah, they're totally on the wrong path, its throwing out words like 'totalitarian' that make you intelligent, right?

I dunno why people get so worked up about it. I'm not religious, I don't believe in it, but I'm happy for other people to believe whatever they want as long as they aren't trying to force it down the throats or others or use it as an excuse to commit some kind of atrocity. Sure there'll always be the small extremist factions who'll do s*** like that, but white people have done just as much f***ed up s*** in the name of religion as anyone else, so they don't get a free pass if thats the angle you're attacking from.

It doesn't affect me or my beliefs or my life in the slightest if someone else wants to believe in Islam or Hinduism or Buddhism or Catholocism or Santa Claus, so they're welcome to it as far as I'm concerned. You don't have to support it, but you can still respect a person's right to believe in or practise whatever they want. By trying to force them to abandon their beliefs and conform to your white culture, aren't you just doing exactly the same thing that we hate religious people trying to do to us?
11:41am 20/02/13 Permalink
SheerObesity
Melbourne, Victoria
38 posts
than identifying any actual problems with Islam.


Rubbish. Everyone knows the problems with Islam, if you claim you don't, you are lying. I can get into it if you want, but i'd probably be here all day.

Islam is an ideology. It is not defined by what any Muslim wants it to be, but by what it is. No ideology is above critique, particularly one that explicitly seeks political and social dominance over every person on the planet. As an ideology, Islam is not entitled to equal respect and acceptance, because ideas do not carry equal moral weight. Islam is not simply a belief about God. Islam is a word that means submission. Islam is a set of rules that define a social hierarchy in which Muslims submit to Allah, women submit to men and all non-Muslims submit to Islamic rule.

Since we don't live in a Muslim country, where censorship, intimidation and brute force are employed to protect Islam from intellectual analysis, we should be free to openly exercise our right to debate the merits of the Islamic value system against Western Liberalism, instead we have a huge uproar when such a debate(Geert Wilders speech) occurs with threats of violence(far left wing groups) and criminal prosecution(police claiming they will monitor Wilders speech wording).
11:45am 20/02/13 Permalink
kos
Germany
2514 posts
As predicted, the usual looney looney far left suspects have turned up, angry over the exercising of free speech.

Aren't they just also exercising free speech?

Seems pretty convenient that when people you agree with express their opinion they are "exercising free speech" and when people you disagree with do it they are "angry over the exercising of free speech"...

The amount of political bulls*** rhetoric is too damn high!

http://o.aolcdn.com/photo-hub/news_gallery/6/9/697724/1292019225447.JPEG
11:49am 20/02/13 Permalink
SheerObesity
Melbourne, Victoria
39 posts
Aren't they just also exercising free speech?


Blockading the entrance to a venue, assaulting police, assaulting members of the public, destroying property, stealing peoples tickets isn't free speech.

They were physically throwing people to the ground just because they dared show up to hear someone speak..........
11:51am 20/02/13 Permalink
Nerf Lord
Brisbane, Queensland
7314 posts
Rubbish. Everyone knows the problems with Islam, if you claim you don't, you are lying. I can get into it if you want, but i'd probably be here all day.Islam is an ideology. It is not defined by what any Muslim wants it to be, but by what it is. No ideology is above critique, particularly one that explicitly seeks political and social dominance over every person on the planet. As an ideology, Islam is not entitled to equal respect and acceptance, because ideas do not carry equal moral weight. Islam is not simply a belief about God. Islam is a word that means submission. Islam is a set of rules that define a social hierarchy in which Muslims submit to Allah, women submit to men and all non-Muslims submit to Islamic rule. Since we don't live in a Muslim country, where censorship, intimidation and brute force are employed to protect Islam from intellectual analysis, we should be free to openly exercise our right to debate the merits of the Islamic value system against Western Liberalism, instead we have a huge uproar when such a debate(Geert Wilders speech) occurs with threats of violence(far left wing groups) and criminal prosecution(police claiming they will monitor Wilders speech wording).

Is it so hard to be honest about the criticism which was put towards you? Do you really need to make up this alternative reality criticism and oppression which you're responding to? Or are you not even reading, as I suspect, and just looking to regurgitate the latest talking points from andrew bolt & co's victimized drivel every time that somebody has criticized them?

Ironically, you're behaving in the exact same way that you are criticizing muslims of behaving.
11:52am 20/02/13 Permalink
SheerObesity
Melbourne, Victoria
40 posts
Sheer, is it so hard to be honest about the criticism which was put towards you? Do you really need to make up criticism and oppression to respond to? Ironically, you're behaving in the exact same way that you are criticizing muslims of behaving.


This thread isn't about me, it's about Geert Wilders on Islam.

Ironically, you're behaving in the exact same way that you are criticizing muslims of behaving.


Im not criticizing muslims......... And you claim im not reading what you are writing lol.

Do you really need to make up this alternative reality criticism and oppression which you're responding to?


I purposely don't respond to jibes like this where you pretend all of this is some sort of fantasy, like i'v just finished smoking bath salts and have decided to come post here. It's simply a waste of my time.
11:56am 20/02/13 Permalink
kos
Germany
2515 posts
Blockading the entrance to a venue, assaulting police, assaulting members of the public, destroying property, stealing peoples tickets isn't free speech.

They were physically throwing people to the ground just because they dared show up to hear someone speak..........

Ah, thought it was in reference to this thread. I agree that protesting violently is absolutely wrong.

I'd tell you to carry on but the fact that you use moronic terms like "looney left" leaves me thinking the point of my post still stands: how about an intelligent discussion instead of the spewing of s***** political rhetoric? This also applies to "lolbertarians", I'm looking at you fpot.
11:58am 20/02/13 Permalink
Nerf Lord
Brisbane, Queensland
7315 posts
This thread isn't about me, it's about Geert Wilders on Islam.

Why is you lot so bad and slippery when it comes to criticism? I'm not letting this drop until you man up and admit that you were talking hysterical s***, or explain why you're raving about communism and socialism and muslims and "our/their" countries and fictitious oppression of you brave ultra right wingers and the like.

Im not criticizing muslims

Oh I know that you're not only criticizing them, you're pissing everywhere trying to make it sound like you have a coherent argument, when you're really only parroting the incoherent web of positions of the ultra right wing xenophobic nationalistic mode of thought.

So again, for like the sixth time, are you going to explain why you're ranting and waving your hands around over communists and muslims and climate change conspiracies and the like, yet claim that you arrived at all of these exact positions by yourself independently? Or are you going to have another whinge about how you're oppressed by the muslim-loving communists because somebody called you out on your s***?
12:03pm 20/02/13 Permalink
SheerObesity
Melbourne, Victoria
41 posts
I'm not letting this drop until you man up and admit that you were talking hysterical s***


There was nothing hysterical in what i was saying.

explain why you're raving about communism and socialism

It wasn't raving at all. I simply noted the fact that groups protesting were pathetic communist groups/radical socialist groups. Research them, they are notorious in Melbourne.

and muslims and "our/their" countries.


Nope. None of this. You seem to LOVE adding extra things on the end,

Oh I know that you're not only criticizing them,


Then why did you say i was? And why did you just say above that i was raving about them too?

So again, for like the sixth time, are you going to explain why you're ranting and waving your hands around over communists and muslims and climate change conspiracies and the like, yet claim that you arrived at all of these exact positions by yourself independently?


That's your opinion. I'm doing no such thing. Oh and look added extra bits on again "climate change conspiracies" "muslims" despite 0 posts from me containing these 2 things in this thread.
12:09pm 20/02/13 Permalink
Dazhel
Gold Coast, Queensland
5708 posts
This thread isn't about me, it's about Geert Wilders on Islam.

Nah, I think this thread is about Vash wanting a spot on the pie chart.

I'm not letting this drop until you man up and admit that you were talking hysterical s***

Jesus Christ Nerfy

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12:13pm 20/02/13 Permalink
eski
Perth, Western Australia
1399 posts
Sheer - the irony is that the protesters were behaving in the same fashion as Wilders, trying to silence a viewpoint rather than letting the arguments stand on their own. Both factions deserve our contempt.

At the end of the day, Wilders beliefs end up breeding more extreme religious folk than if he had just kept quiet in the first place. I thought the crusades were over, but this is some f*****g middle ages s*** right here.

+1 dahzel.... again....
12:16pm 20/02/13 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
6406 posts
There's an interesting trend going on that we're so afraid of being proud of our own culture for fear of opressing others, that we lose our own identity making allowances of others.

This weird issue however seems to be breeding extremist white c**** who think that they're defending the cultural heritage of which they usually have little if any knowledge about. The hundreds of thousands slaughtered throughout history in the name of the lord, the horrible burnings in the name of our colour? That's our history.

Then we start saying s*** like "White people come from europe, and now that's being overtaken, the native white people are being opressed!" a massive f*****g irony to the rest of the world who was raped pillaged and formed as colonies of the empire.

Then one d******* yells louder than other d*******s and it divides people, some using pride to justify racism, others fearful of being proud and being associated with being racist, and the rest wanting to ignore the issue and hide their head in the sand.
12:21pm 20/02/13 Permalink
SheerObesity
Melbourne, Victoria
42 posts
Sheer - the irony is that the protesters were behaving in the same fashion as Wilders, trying to silence a viewpoint rather than letting the arguments stand on their own.


Damn, i was just about to write "please link to videos of Wilders assaulting people" until i read the second bit :P
12:22pm 20/02/13 Permalink
Nerf Lord
Brisbane, Queensland
7316 posts
There was nothing hysterical in what i was saying.

Between citing Andrew Bolt's outright lies, and having a whinge about communists oppressing your right to xenophobic tardary (which isn't even happening), yes, yes there was.

Nope. None of this.

This is a direct quote from the douchenozzle who you're defending: "Take a walk down the street and see where this is going. You no longer feel like you are living in your own country. There is a battle going on and we have to defend ourselves. Before you know it there will be more mosques than churches!"

Oh and look added extra bits on again "climate change conspiracies" "muslims" despite 0 posts from me containing these 2 things in this thread.

Except that wasn't my criticism of you now was it? I didn't say that you had posted these things in this thread, I said that you were evidencing a very clear ideological regurgitation across your posting history. And why are you so afraid of admitting the truth, that you had plenty of criticism of Muslims such as "totalitarian medieval cults that believe in an imaginary person that doesn't exist." ? It's not even criticism which I disagree with, but you're now insisting that you never said it?

Jesus Christ Nerfy

If they're going to play this stupid to their own actions after throwing all this bulls*** around, then I'm going to stick to them like glue, because that's the world that I want to live in.
12:30pm 20/02/13 Permalink
Nerf Lord
Brisbane, Queensland
7316 posts
If you double click post message fast enough, you can win the internet.
12:30pm 20/02/13 Permalink
SheerObesity
Melbourne, Victoria
43 posts
Between citing Andrew Bolt's outright lies


I haven't quoted Andrew Bolt in this thread.

and having a whinge about communists oppressing your right to xenophobic tardary (which isn't even happening), yes, yes there was.


You love exaggerating and making up things. You seem to do it in every post, adding on extra bits that haven't been said or mentioned.
12:35pm 20/02/13 Permalink
Nerf Lord
Brisbane, Queensland
7318 posts
I haven't quoted Andrew Bolt in this thread.

I just answered that, and explained what my actual criticism was, yet you pretend that the explanation didn't exist and insist that you're being criticized for something you explicitly were told that you weren't.

F*****g lame. Your entire ideology is a joke propped up by dishonest s**** like you.

that haven't been said or mentioned.

Except your whinge about your noble xenophobia being censored by the "loony left" is still there:
censorship, intimidation and brute force are employed to protect Islam from intellectual analysis, we should be free to openly exercise our right to debate the merits of the Islamic value system against Western Liberalism, instead we have a huge uproar when such a debate(Geert Wilders speech) occurs with threats of violence(far left wing groups) and criminal prosecution(police claiming they will monitor Wilders speech wording).
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I sense epic thread.
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