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Telstra to slow P2P downloading

glynd

Melbourne, Victoria

895 posts

http://www.theage.com.au/technology/technology-news/telstra-to-clamp-down-on-peertopeer-20130205-2dvus.html

Telstra is planning to slow the speed at which its ADSL customers download content through peer-to-peer (P2P) networks in peak periods as part of a trial.
P2P networks are commonly used to download pirated material such as movies, music and video games.
Telstra confirmed the move in a statement after a source contacted Fairfax Media, publisher of this article, to say the telco planned to introduce throttling as a "trial" that was likely to become permanent and which required users to opt out if they didn't want to take part in it.

The trial could begin as soon as this week, the source added.

You never go full retard ...

09:22pm 05/02/13 Permalink

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deadlyf

Queensland

2940 posts

One option being looked at was the shaping of specific services, including some peer-to-peer services, in certain circumstances and at certain times. The telco could shape such services using deep packet inspection (DPI) technology, which can identify the types of traffic flowing through a network and prioritise it accordingly.

What's the difference between DPI and wire tapping? I mean it sounds like something illegal but then maybe carriers are exempt from such laws?

09:32pm 05/02/13 Permalink

thermite

Brisbane, Queensland

10733 posts

Don't worry guys just use http://bigpondmovies.com/ only 6 bucks to 'rent' a movie

09:42pm 05/02/13 Permalink

groganus

Brisbane, Queensland

2483 posts

How exactly do the plan on shaping torrents....
Data appears completely random till it's all put together, blocking ports won't help since that can be easily changed.

Also what about all the P2P services that are completely legal, certain games use P2P clients for updates... It's almost as if ziggy has come back from the dead.

09:43pm 05/02/13 Permalink

cainer

Brisbane, Queensland

1870 posts

vpn, fixed

09:49pm 05/02/13 Permalink

ravn0s

Brisbane, Queensland

16608 posts

i guess it's a good thing i don't use torrents then.

10:09pm 05/02/13 Permalink

infi

Brisbane, Queensland

19496 posts

telstra cable BAM

10:17pm 05/02/13 Permalink

parabol

Brisbane, Queensland

7453 posts

How exactly do the plan on shaping torrents....
Data appears completely random till it's all put together, blocking ports won't help since that can be easily changed.

Not true. There are techniques that can classify P2P traffic based on statistical analysis. Things like data timing and behaviour, packet sizes, etc. They don't even care about the contents or exact ports.

vpn, fixed

Given the analytical programs don't really look at the payload, encrypting your traffic doesn't help. You'll have to employ special tricks like pushing blank or random data between "useful" data to throw off the analysis. However the traffic shaping program can just shape long-duration high volume traffic from non-standard ports if it wishes, "just to be sure".

10:25pm 05/02/13 Permalink

ravn0s

Brisbane, Queensland

16609 posts

telstra cable BAM

oh and that too.

10:29pm 05/02/13 Permalink

Whoop

Brisbane, Queensland

21297 posts

my router has some pretty badass QoS stuff that seems to have the ability to tell certain packets to GTFO and others to come right on in. Never actually used it though, never saw a need to.

11:06pm 05/02/13 Permalink

koopz

Brisbane, Queensland

9869 posts

telstra cable BAM

I don't have admin priv's on this forum so I can't nuke your post, though I'll pretend you didn't say that mate

plz infi - don't do that again.

it'll come back to bite you, and other's will copy your example

**will someone think of the ~~children~~ older folks**

11:15pm 05/02/13 Permalink

Trauma

Melbourne, Victoria

3075 posts

Optus and many other ISP's around the world have had this for a while, depends on the detection they use. I had huge issues with Rift on optus, 6pm on the dot ping would shoot up to like 30000, then disconnect. I used a tunneler as Optus were or course denying it. The tunneler fixed it.

11:15pm 05/02/13 Permalink

DeadlyDav0

Brisbane, Queensland

3394 posts

Fuck. North lakes here has fuck all adsl and mobile coverage so im with telstra for both. $130 per month for discounted 500gb adsl2+ and unlimited home phone with a max torrent DL speed of approx 600kps which then slows youtube and other DLs to a crawl. At least the $30 prepaid mobile is fuckloads for me.

Hope the opt out is easy enough.

Oh, my monthly broadband cap also includes uploads so i cant give back to the torrent community.

12:41am 06/02/13 Permalink

DecayingCorpse

Brisbane, Queensland

2119 posts

my router has some pretty badass QoS stuff

what rooter whoop?

also vpn +1

01:34am 06/02/13 Permalink

Dodgymon

Brisbane, Queensland

2264 posts

Whether ISP's openly admit it or not I was under the impression nearly all the ISP's shaped p2p traffic.

01:42am 06/02/13 Permalink

Whoop

Brisbane, Queensland

21299 posts

what rooter whoop?

also vpn +1

wrt54g, says so right in the top corner :) running tomato firmware

or a modified version of tomato anyway: http://victek.is-a-geek.com/tomatoen.html

02:00am 06/02/13 Permalink

Ronnny

17 posts

who uses overpriced telstra for adsl anyways..

02:00am 06/02/13 Permalink

Whoop

Brisbane, Queensland

21300 posts

people who can't get anything but telstra?

02:05am 06/02/13 Permalink

simul

Brisbane, Queensland

1504 posts

Given the analytical programs don't really look at the payload, encrypting your traffic doesn't help. You'll have to employ special tricks like pushing blank or random data between "useful" data to throw off the analysis. However the traffic shaping program can just shape long-duration high volume traffic from non-standard ports if it wishes, "just to be sure".

VPN should fix the issue because everything is coming from a single IP as far as the ISP is concerned?

WWW

02:25am 06/02/13 Permalink

Ronnny

6 posts

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Reason: Useless post

02:38am 06/02/13 Permalink

Saint

Cainer

Brisbane, Queensland

3242 posts

I use Telstra cable and it's awesome, just sayin.

WWW

08:17am 06/02/13 Permalink

Spook

Brisbane, Queensland

35111 posts

hope optus dont get wind of this.

my delicious torrents are still full speed even with constant 24/7 uploading.

08:24am 06/02/13 Permalink

infi

Brisbane, Queensland

19497 posts

I'll pretend you didn't say that mate

please stop overreacting. who knows how this limiting will otherwise affect innocent broadband users.

03:18pm 06/02/13 Permalink

hardware

Brisbane, Queensland

10461 posts

i <3 iinet
they go to court to protect my right to dl linux iso's!!!!1

08:55pm 06/02/13 Permalink

ara

Sydney, New South Wales

3579 posts

I have Telstra cable and it is awesome.

Back on topic, I find this kind of behavior a bit annoying. If they were offering unmetered quotas i could understand them doing this to stop people abusing it, but they don't anymore yet they are out there saying "20% of the people use 80% of the bandwidth", i just don't understand this.

What does this mean, that they are using their allocated quota? Does it mean 20% of the people are using 80% or more of their quota?

Or is it a case of using more than their quota while throttled and somehow end up making up 80% of Bigpond ADSL's bandwidth costs? I find that whole argument a bit confusing.

04:03pm 07/02/13 Permalink

Tollaz0r!

Brisbane, Queensland

13319 posts

Fuck. North lakes here has fuck all adsl and mobile coverage so im with telstra for both. $130 per month for discounted 500gb adsl2+ and unlimited home phone with a max torrent DL speed of approx 600kps which then slows youtube and other DLs to a crawl. At least the $30 prepaid mobile is fuckloads for me.

I'm in Kallagur, just next to Posh North Lakes and I'm using iiNet ADSL2+ and it runs beautifully.
Glad I didn't move into that North Lakes area. Cost-Co and Ikea are going in next to the Westfield there, Westfield apparently had a whinge to the courts about Ikea and lost.

04:50pm 07/02/13 Permalink

copuis

Brisbane, Queensland

3735 posts

oh yeah, cheap ikea food on the north side

04:57pm 07/02/13 Permalink

l3wd_5c0ff

Brisbane, Queensland

2475 posts

hope optus dont get wind of this.

my delicious torrents are still full speed even with constant 24/7 uploading.

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11:55pm 07/02/13 Permalink

arkter

Gold Coast, Queensland

1198 posts

Fuck. North lakes here has fuck all adsl and mobile coverage so im with telstra for both. $130 per month for discounted 500gb adsl2+ and unlimited home phone with a max torrent DL speed of approx 600kps which then slows youtube and other DLs to a crawl. At least the $30 prepaid mobile is fuckloads for me.Hope the opt out is easy enough.Oh, my monthly broadband cap also includes uploads so i cant give back to the torrent community.

Yeah have friends in North Lakes - I have to call their landline to get in touch with them. It's stupid considering the size of North Lakes...

10:11am 08/02/13 Permalink

l3wd_5c0ff

Brisbane, Queensland

2476 posts

Arkter. Something like sickbeard may be a better option for you.
Seedbox would help also.

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10:42am 08/02/13 Permalink

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