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Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
13883 posts
http://torrentfreak.com/imagine-bittorrent-group-sysop-speaks-out-as-he-heads-to-prison-130121/

I found this really interesting. Somehow he managed to sneak some comments out, possibly in advance of his sentence.

I tend to agree with a lot of his thoughts.

5 years jail, straight-up, does seem like a very hefty sentence. Go down to your local pub, smash a chair over some dudes head, and presuming you don't kill him you'll probably get less (or no time, for a first offense).

"Victimless crime" is obviously wrong. However, it is complicated. In an age where distributing media is extremely easy, and film and TV publishers continued to enforce release schedules from yesteryear, it's unsurprising that piracy is so common place.

In a globally connected world, here in a Australia we're expected to receive delayed (or worse, not at all) television shows while our daily social websites like Twitter and so on buzz with news of the latest episode which they have just seen.

I hope the environment changes soon.
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Whoop
Brisbane, Queensland
21195 posts
In a globally connected world, here in a Australia we're expected to receive delayed (or worse, not at all) television shows while our daily social websites like Twitter and so on buzz with news of the latest episode which they have just seen.

Even if everyone did like Dr Who and released shows globally at the same time (or near enough) you'd still have people pirating it because "they want to watch it when THEY want, not when the TV station says to watch it". There will always be someone justifying why they have to break the law.
11:41pm 22/01/13 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
20558 posts
The sooner tv moves to a subscription or "on demand" type model the better. Like I've said before, if I could drop say $20 on a 'season pass' type subscription for a show and get episodes of it available to watch in HD at the same time as everywhere else, I'd be all over that.
12:07am 23/01/13 Permalink
Viper119
UK
1833 posts
5 years in a maximum security prison for internet piracy!? I thought they had a thing where they don't put soft crime inmates with hard crime inmates? It's just unfair innit... internet and financial criminals in with murderers and violent offenders.
12:16am 23/01/13 Permalink
FaceMan
Brisbane, Queensland
9792 posts
For me Piracy is when ppl copy your work and make money out of it and you get nothing.

kind of like what the Music Industry does to 90% of its Slaves.

12:30am 23/01/13 Permalink
parabol
Brisbane, Queensland
7430 posts
If anyone finds these piracy sentences excessive, have a read of this article about how they treat big business in comparison:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/outrageous-hsbc-settlement-proves-the-drug-war-is-a-joke-20121213
12:59am 23/01/13 Permalink
deadlyf
Queensland
2918 posts
Yeah it's funny how it's ok for Nike to hire children to make shoes because it's in another country but if you do something that is really bad like not buy something from rich people they will pressure foreign governments to change their laws or just completely ignore them and arrest you anyway. I'm going to become a bank so I can destroy peoples lives by losing their life savings through illegal practices and not get in trouble for it because you can do that when you are a bank.

It doesn't pay to be poor. And by poor I mean not obscenely wealthy.

The sooner tv moves to a subscription or "on demand" type model the better. Like I've said before, if I could drop say $20 on a 'season pass' type subscription for a show and get episodes of it available to watch in HD at the same time as everywhere else, I'd be all over that.
You obviously don't have a Foxtel subscription. There are two things in this world I know are not real, Tuesdays and TV subscriptions that aren't mostly ads.
01:37am 23/01/13 Permalink
Cheez
Brisbane, Queensland
755 posts
Also when Firefly was on TV I had to watch it at 12:30am, who puts an awesome show like that at a time like that and expects it not to get canned.

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/attachments/piracy-discussions/197793d1287070003-piracy-theft-explained-legally-piracyjq1.png
06:53am 23/01/13 Permalink
Mephz
Brisbane, Queensland
1275 posts
"they want to watch it when THEY want, not when the TV station says to watch it".
That actually sounds like a pretty good reason to me.

It was never illegal to record TV shows with your VHS for your own viewing if you were going to be at work etc. So why should it be illegal to download TV shows for your own viewing.

As someone else said the sooner they move to on demand the smarter their business profile will be.
08:13am 23/01/13 Permalink
scuzzy
Brisbane, Queensland
15572 posts
Better start pirating "OZ"
08:50am 23/01/13 Permalink
simul
Brisbane, Queensland
1494 posts
Of course they have to start arresting hackers/piraters, how else is the US prison economy going to keep up with the rest of the world.

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/business2/business2_archive/2006/12/01/8394995/index.htm

"The nation's 2 million inmates and their keepers are the ultimate captive market: a $37 billion economy bulging with business opportunity."

09:06am 23/01/13 Permalink
PornoPete
Melbourne, Victoria
827 posts
Cheers for that article Parabol. The US needs to sort it's life out when it comes to corporate crime.

Rage is the only thing that comes close to describing it.
09:14am 23/01/13 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
20561 posts
You obviously don't have a Foxtel subscription.


Nah, I don't, when I was talking subscription I was thinking at a more fine grained level. Like, if I could subscribe to single channels on Foxtel I might, but I don't want their huge packages full of s*** I'll never watch. Even better though would be just being able to subscribe to particular shows you want to watch.

I guess kind of like how you can use set top boxes to record an entire season of a show, but instead you'd just pay an upfront cost (like you do if you watch an on demand movie or something), then new episodes of the show just get downloaded to your set top box as they're available and you watch them at your leisure.
11:39am 23/01/13 Permalink
Nerf Lord
Brisbane, Queensland
7182 posts
Global access to $20 seasons on a steam-like platform, pre-order discounts, access to creator/actor interacting forums, bonus content such as wallpapers, bam. Reckon it would be a major success for them.
11:42am 23/01/13 Permalink
trog
AGN Admin
Brisbane, Queensland
36685 posts
It was never illegal to record TV shows with your VHS for your own viewing if you were going to be at work etc.
You know they tried really hard to make it illegal though: Sony vs Universal in the fight for fair use.

Thanks Sony for fighting for our rights! What happened to you, man - you used to be cool.
11:45am 23/01/13 Permalink
eski
Perth, Western Australia
1362 posts
They used to make VHS gear.
11:57am 23/01/13 Permalink
IVY_MiKe
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory
1382 posts
“Pirating a federal offense? It’s beyond me how this has happened. Federal offenses were always the most serious of crimes. You tell me how copying a little audio or video has fallen into this category.”


In a place where 'wearing a seatbelt' or Firearms ownership aren't 'Federal law' infringement on copyright is.
Doesn't seem correct at all really.
12:27pm 23/01/13 Permalink
Monkeez
Sydney, New South Wales
168 posts
I've always wondered since Steam has started adding Applications whether they have been thinking about potentially adding movies down the line. It would really fit well with all the Big Picture Mode and Steam Box stuff they've been doing. I would love to purchase movies on Steam, you know they'd have good deals and sale.

I guess one reason they may not head this way is all the f*****g around with getting licensing rights in different countries, it seems like a real mission.
12:52pm 23/01/13 Permalink
natslovR
Sydney, New South Wales
8090 posts
You know they tried really hard to make it illegal though: Sony vs Universal in the fight for fair use.Thanks Sony for fighting for our rights! What happened to you, man - you used to be cool.


Using your VCR to record TV in Australia was illegal for most of the time that VHS's were popular. Changes were made in the last few years to allow timeshifting and format shifting but these rights are under threat. Both these exemptions to copyright have been challenged recently in the Federal Court and it found in favour of Copyright holders and against the public.

See background: Australia: Time shifting on the cloud - New copyright questions in Australia

Overturned:CLIENT UPDATE: TIME SHIFT EXCEPTION TO COPYRIGHT OVERTURNED - 1-May-2012

The Full Court of the Federal Court has unanimously upheld an appeal concerning Optus's TV Now online service. The court held that the TV Now service infringes Telstra's copyright in those television programs that it previously recorded and made available to its subscribers. The court found that the copies of the cinematograph films and sound recordings were made jointly by Optus and their subscribers, and that the 'time-shift exception' in s111 of the Act was not available on the facts.
01:04pm 23/01/13 Permalink
qmass
Queensland
10483 posts
This made me chuckle the first time I saw it, truly reasonable.

http://i.imgur.com/vyH9ijR.png
01:09pm 23/01/13 Permalink
arkter
Gold Coast, Queensland
1151 posts
Pirating a federal offense? It’s beyond me how this has happened. Federal offenses were always the most serious of crimes. You tell me how copying a little audio or video has fallen into this category.


This guy sounds like a bit of a f*ckwit... You can't really compare pirating copy written material to copying 'a little audio or video'.
01:17pm 23/01/13 Permalink
deadlyf
Queensland
2919 posts
Nah, I don't, when I was talking subscription I was thinking at a more fine grained level. Like, if I could subscribe to single channels on Foxtel I might, but I don't want their huge packages full of s*** I'll never watch. Even better though would be just being able to subscribe to particular shows you want to watch.
Being able to simply watch the shows we want to watch, when we want to watch them on what we want to watch them is basically what the entire consumer market wants. It really doesn't sound like that much to ask does it?

So the question becomes, why don't we have that? What are the barriers in place that stop us from getting what every consumer clearly wants?

IMO it almost completely comes down to licensing. Exclusive licensing means that companies like Foxtel can do whatever they want, like bundle channels in unattractive formats and have 90% of their content be ads while still having people pay them for the privilege. Most of us talk about being willing to pay for what we want but that's actually part of the problem, there are enough people that are not only willing to pay for what they want but put up with the inconvenience of restrictive and bloated subscriptions that Foxtel who has no competitors has no reason to provide us with what we truly want.

Restrictive licensing also means that providers that do have what we want are not available to us in Australia and when they do become available they are at twice the cost of the US equivalent.
01:18pm 23/01/13 Permalink
IVY_MiKe
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory
1384 posts
I've always wondered since Steam has started adding Applications whether they have been thinking about potentially adding movies down the line. It would really fit well with all the Big Picture Mode and Steam Box stuff they've been doing. I would love to purchase movies on Steam, you know they'd have good deals and sale.


Look around a little more mate, they've already got 'Indie Game: The Movie' up on steam. http://store.steampowered.com/app/207080/
The steam player is pretty baus, and the actual movie file is a plain ol avi sitting in your steamapps/common folder too.


...You can't really compare pirating copy written material to copying 'a little audio or video'.


I see your point, then again, I didn't read what they're actually charging him for.
(whether it was for mass copyright infringement or for something more petty.)

IMO it almost completely comes down to licensing.

Exactly.
On the other hand, how does iTunes manage it (as but one example). You can buy eps of shows on iTunes, does it then chock that ep full of ads while you watch it?
I think we're (read: the world, and if not, then def. Australia) ready for a 'TV Show/Movie' exclusive type service like this.
03:06pm 23/01/13 Permalink
TufNuT
I like eel pie
Brisbane, Queensland
4084 posts
I guess im just going to say what a lot of people here have already said. being able to see a show almost same time its released in the US is only part of the problem.

people want to be able to watch what they want at a convenient time for them, I am happy to pay a reasonable subscription fee to be able to stream my TV shows online to my PC any time I want.

I don't have a TV, don't want a TV, 90% of whats on TV is s***. I just want to watch the shows I want to see at any time and I am happy to pay for it, that service is available in the US so why not here??
04:15pm 23/01/13 Permalink
thermite
Brisbane, Queensland
10705 posts
It's not going to happen here anytime soon. Big companies are still putting in heaps of money to develop NEW infrastructure to sell DVDs at physical locations. For those who are unaware of what a DVD was, it was a type of optical disk developed in 1995 and commonly used to distribute 'motion pictures' as they were called then. See http://www.hoytskiosk.com.au/
04:25pm 23/01/13 Permalink
Nerf Lord
Brisbane, Queensland
7184 posts
I haven't had a working dvd drive in years, why do they not want my money in a more easy way? :/
04:32pm 23/01/13 Permalink
Cheez
Brisbane, Queensland
756 posts
Whats the full package on Foxtel / Austar go for these days ~$120, (guessing cause I dont have it) and thats a full package so you get all the channels with IQ for recording. Whats the chance it even has the new show you want, American Cable TV has it but Australian doesnt so you miss out on that, but pay alot for the spread to get the 5-6 shows you like spanned across 5 different channels each part of the different packages.
OR
A decent amount of download quota on a decent speed ISP is cheaper and you get all the shows any time you want them.

I'll choose door number 2 thanks
05:01pm 23/01/13 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
13886 posts
I think the on-demand avenues that we do have are taking the piss. Just looked on iTunes, for example, and Walking Dead Season 3 is $50. Steep for no packaging, etc. An old series like Firefly is still $50. That's just ridiculous. You can pick that s*** up in JB Hifi for $27.
05:36pm 23/01/13 Permalink
Ha
46 posts
you know i think they're just doing it to remind people that piracy is actually a crime.
05:56pm 23/01/13 Permalink
IVY_MiKe
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory
1386 posts
... avenues that we do have are taking the piss. Just looked on iTunes ...


Not that it's particularly 'straight forward' by any means, some quick sums might make the price difference for something like The Walking Dead S3 a far more reasonable price if you manage to catch your 'iTunes cards' at their staple 20% off...

FAR from convenient mind you, but that's not as silly an option as it might sound.
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