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Lance Armstrong has admitted to cheating
Reverend Evil™
Wynnum, Queensland
21197 posts
In news that will shock everyone, Lance Armstrong has finally come out and said he cheated.
Lance Armstrong ADMITTED to Oprah Winfrey ... he DID use performance-enhancing drugs during his pro cycling career to win the Tour de France ... this according to the Associated Press.

Lance wrapped up his one-on-one interview with Oprah just a few hours ago ... and according to the report, Lance finally 'fessed up to cheating ... the first time he's ever admitted wrongdoing during his professional career.

The way Lance worded his admission could have serious legal ramifications -- considering he's facing possible criminal prosecution and civil liability for allegedly lying about his PED use in a number of legal proceedings.

Stolen from www.tmz.com
04:05pm 15/01/13 Permalink
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FaceMan
Brisbane, Queensland
9772 posts
I saw a show on Doping in cycling a few years ago and its just out of control.
Some of them store their blood months before a race then train up hard then put that blood back in before they race.
the kind of foods they eat, drinks, tricks to remove traces of drugs.
Its almost Sci-fi.

The only way to stop it is to test more frequently but even then it can be difficult to find what you dont know they are using. Storing test and testing years later is kind of pointless.

You cant compete in Modern Elite Sport without having your own medical team.
04:10pm 15/01/13 Permalink
demon
Brisbane, Queensland
7035 posts
they need to have a full-on anything goes sporting league where any drug or cybernetics are allowed.
then maybe sport wouldn't be so fukn boring.
04:20pm 15/01/13 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
34974 posts
cycling fast approaching soccer for sports that are ruined.
04:21pm 15/01/13 Permalink
Zakson
Gold Coast, Queensland
343 posts
Would you stand your ground on that, demon?
04:23pm 15/01/13 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
16515 posts
just give drugs to all the cyclists.
04:24pm 15/01/13 Permalink
crazymorton
Brisbane, Queensland
3773 posts
just give drugs to all the cyclists

That would have to be administered by a new body to make sure they all receive the same type and dosage. Otherwise there'd be drug cheats among the drugged up athletes trying for that extra edge.

So they'd still have to be tested. Creates an interesting conundrum doesn't it. Where does it stop?
04:30pm 15/01/13 Permalink
arkter
Gold Coast, Queensland
1124 posts
they need to have a full-on anything goes sporting league where any drug or cybernetics are allowed. then maybe sport wouldn't be so fukn boring.
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04:40pm 15/01/13 Permalink
Scooter
Brisbane, Queensland
6163 posts
Let them fight it out with their own drugs. Then you can use those advancements in drug/performance and hopefully apply it to medical needs or normal people wanting to get a little bit fitter.

Like some performance/safety enhancements from the race cars eventually make their way into the design/performance of regular street cars.
04:40pm 15/01/13 Permalink
glynd
Melbourne, Victoria
870 posts
yep, cause nothing bad happened when drugs were allowed. nothing at all.
04:57pm 15/01/13 Permalink
Tiny
Brisbane, Queensland
3344 posts
cycling fast approaching soccer for sports that are ruined.


He must have really had the overwhelming sense of guilt playing on his mind. He must feel alot better telling the truth, does this mean he can be asked to pay back prize money or what?
05:08pm 15/01/13 Permalink
shad
Brisbane, Queensland
3864 posts
I'd assume pretty much rampant in almost every sport, just a matter of how well you time coming off it before the testing happens.

How many sports have random on the spot testing in off seasons?
05:29pm 15/01/13 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
34976 posts
its such a colossal fuck up though, its just wrecks events, chasing up prize money, re-awarding it, positions, updating everything.

05:52pm 15/01/13 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
7603 posts
I hope he gets sued for every sponsorship dollar and bit of prizemoney given such to a point he has to declare himself bankrupt.

Best case scenario would be if the tapes from the Opera show get subpoenas before they're aired or anything is destroyed and used to take him for perjury.

This guy and others have done so much to get us all painted as drug cheats - everyone in the sport. I'd just like to state right now, that as a board member and Cross Country Rider Representative of Mountain Bike Australia we have not, to my knowledge (and I believe this is correct anyway) had a single member been found guilty of performance enhancing drug use in the last ten years.

My understanding is that there's been about maybe 20 in Cycling Australia found in the last few years, but probably a similar period.
05:54pm 15/01/13 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
5103 posts
All the time, effort and money put into finding out if this guy cheated or not could be much better spent doing much more productive things, like maybe dealing with HSBC?
06:04pm 15/01/13 Permalink
TufNuT
I like eel pie
Brisbane, Queensland
4073 posts
I'd just like to state right now, that as a board member and Cross Country Rider Representative of Mountain Bike Australia we have not, to my knowledge (and I believe this is correct anyway) had a single member been found guilty of performance enhancing drug use in the last ten years.


Spoken like a true politician. no conviction only means you may have good cheats.
06:05pm 15/01/13 Permalink
Trauma
Melbourne, Victoria
3044 posts
I don't think any appearance/sponsor money should be paid back, this is basically advertising cash and the got what they paid for at the time. Performance bonus/winnings is another story.
06:10pm 15/01/13 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
7604 posts
I can't unequivocally say noone's done it - and you can be sure that if I did know anything I'd have to report it.

To be totally honest though, sandbagging is a much bigger problem at club level racing than doping and substance abuse.
06:10pm 15/01/13 Permalink
mission
Brisbane, Queensland
8703 posts
sandbagging is a much bigger problem


Is that similar to teabagging?
06:15pm 15/01/13 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
7605 posts
No. But teabagging is definitely a problem at Westgate Park, where we race. :/
06:18pm 15/01/13 Permalink
Trauma
Melbourne, Victoria
3045 posts
Sandbagging is when someone stays in a lower class when they know they are faster.
06:19pm 15/01/13 Permalink
Dazhel
Gold Coast, Queensland
5599 posts
All the time, effort and money put into finding out if this guy cheated or not could be much better spent doing much more productive things, like maybe dealing with HSBC?


Such a messy business prosecuting corporations though, it's much easier for the US DOJ to simply declare HSBC as being above the law.
06:41pm 15/01/13 Permalink
Superform
Netherlands
7657 posts
bah.. its stupid to suggest he should give money back

i watched the vid of the guy who outed him and he was asked if he thinks doping is still happening.. he said no..

his proof... look at the times... when doping kicked off times drastically reduced

back in lances day EVERYONE was doping.. lance was still best.. and the playing field was even cause everyone doped.. anyone who could stay with the peloton and said they didnt dope is full of shit.. it wasnt physically possible..

and times today are around the same.. so doping hasnt gone anywhere.. its just harder to detect..
08:04pm 15/01/13 Permalink
Linker
Brisbane, Queensland
1729 posts
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08:10pm 15/01/13 Permalink
reload!
Brisbane, Queensland
7098 posts
I think it's about time raven fessed up to how he really got that national title..
08:57pm 15/01/13 Permalink
Twisted
Brisbane, Queensland
11799 posts

they need to have a full-on anything goes sporting league where any drug or cybernetics are allowed.
then maybe sport wouldn't be so fukn boring.
Baseball is pretty close. I think steroids cheating is like a 1 or 2 match ban and a few bucks in fines.
09:25pm 15/01/13 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
17704 posts
I ride a bike does this mean i can take moar drugs?!?!?!?!

Srsly though what facey was saying is true and lance had the ultimate team of doctors and shit together to make it happen, apparently they would take the blood well in advance and everyone would be tested before the races to for blood count so they knew how much to put in without going over the threshold thst will get you busted

Apparently on the rest days during the tour his team would be whisked away by helicopter to some location where they would have blood transfusions
10:13pm 15/01/13 Permalink
Tiny
Brisbane, Queensland
3346 posts

back in lances day EVERYONE was doping.. lance was still best.. and the playing field was even cause everyone doped.. anyone who could stay with the peloton and said they didnt dope is full of shit.. it wasnt physically possible..


Sorry but that doesn't make it OK to let it happen and not try to stop it. What he did is wrong, end of story.
10:15pm 15/01/13 Permalink
Obes
Brisbane, Queensland
9900 posts
they need to have a full-on anything goes sporting league where any drug or cybernetics are allowed.

I am all for this.

Also it should be hosted in america and given the right to bear arms you should just be able to shoot people.
10:15pm 15/01/13 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
16517 posts
and they can call it the hunger games
10:19pm 15/01/13 Permalink
Viper119
UK
1819 posts
A sad day for sport.

What's the deal with HSBC?
11:05pm 15/01/13 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
16518 posts
i'll laugh if he admits to taking recreational drugs and not performance enhancing drugs.
09:25am 16/01/13 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
3668 posts
what this really shows is that the testing isn't working

was he caught cheating, no, and he must have been one of the most tested sports persons on the planet yet was never caught,

it took someone to talk before this all came out into the open (even tho many thought he was cheating), also, how many other cyclists in the last race have now gotten away without the press pressure?
09:35am 16/01/13 Permalink
Saint
Cainer
Brisbane, Queensland
3239 posts
Raven is angry because he dopes up before cycling.
10:01am 16/01/13 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
7606 posts
I think it's about time raven fessed up to how he really got that national title..

It was 46 degrees or something stupid and the guy leading the race pushed too hard and slashed both tyres open. Pretty simple really ;)

Haven't decided if I'll compete this year.

i'll laugh if he admits to taking recreational drugs and not performance enhancing drugs.

I've certainly raised a lot of eyebrows from stuff I've put on sical media with my pro-rec-drugs jokes. Even though I don't do anything myself, you'd certainly think I did from many of the comments I make. Don't worry, it's all BS and just for laughs though.
10:41am 16/01/13 Permalink
PornoPete
Melbourne, Victoria
819 posts
The St Kilda cycling club supposedly had drug testing going on last week. It was some sort of crit comp I think.

I find it hard to believe that doping is going on at Club level, but it shows the sport takes it seriously I guess.

I'm pretty bummed about armstrong. He was a pretty good poster boy for the sport, it's a shame it was all lies.
10:48am 16/01/13 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
7607 posts
The St Kilda cycling club supposedly had drug testing going on last week. It was some sort of crit comp I think.

StKCC had an Elite crit where all the big names were there. I believe even some riders in B and C grade were tested. Pretty infrequent occurrence though. It's rare as hell for anyone to be tested at a club crit.

Don't fool yourself about them taking it seriously though. I've been in the same room as the CA president and CEO talking about how seriously they're taking drug cheating, and frankly my impression is "not very".
10:57am 16/01/13 Permalink
PornoPete
Melbourne, Victoria
820 posts
Do you mean overall or at club level?

Club level doping seems so fucking retarded to me that I can understand not taking it seriously. But surely as you move into the elite ranks they must care a bit.
02:31pm 16/01/13 Permalink
Taqtik
Melbourne, Victoria
41 posts
Do you mean overall or at club level?Club level doping seems so fucking retarded to me that I can understand not taking it seriously. But surely as you move into the elite ranks they must care a bit.


You would be surprised to know that there are some people taking drugs at club level. Its so pointless though! I mean just to pick up your weekly pocket money by winning the weekly club crit? what a joke lol. I think at club level though you really have to worry about those dickheads that go for a suicide run on the inside of a corner or who sprint for 50th place.... Thank god everyone in A grade is usually reasonably safe.
02:42pm 16/01/13 Permalink
reload!
Brisbane, Queensland
7100 posts
given how long it has been going on at the very highest level, what makes you think that any governing body worldwide takes the issue seriously? their ridiculously boring sport has seen stratospheric popularity levels over the past decade+ based on some perceived level of excitement surrounding these superstar riders. your sport is suddenly inexplicably relevant and you're going to crackdown on the only thing making it so? I don't think so.
02:45pm 16/01/13 Permalink
PornoPete
Melbourne, Victoria
821 posts
Well the fact that over 7 years since his last tdf win the US anti doping agency submitted a report over 1000 pages long to prove Armstrong was guilty?

If they didn't care you would think they would just let it go. A lot of lawyers would have made a lot of money putting that case together.

@Taqtik, I wouldn't be surprised to find out some people are doing it, at club level, more the fact that anybody would bother to test B or C graders.

Fuck C grade just isn't that competitive, if you need to dope to be in it move on with your life, cycling wasn't your calling.
03:28pm 16/01/13 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
7608 posts
I have no words that adequately explain my reaction to this video:
01:27pm 17/01/13 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
16521 posts
what does he say? i have no audio at work.
01:37pm 17/01/13 Permalink
Splash
Brisbane, Queensland
2699 posts
02:10pm 17/01/13 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
7609 posts
The 'LOL' totally improved that re-re-repost.
02:30pm 17/01/13 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
20540 posts
So apparently Lance Armstrong drops fruit on the track that powers up other cyclists, and has a laboratory at home where he works on a serum to make the Hulk. I hope they touch on these things in the interview.
02:45pm 17/01/13 Permalink
TiT
Brisbane, Queensland
5323 posts
yeah love to hear the true story on all the shit he went thorugh would be interesting
03:40pm 17/01/13 Permalink
Whoop
Brisbane, Queensland
21152 posts
they need to have a full-on anything goes sporting league where any drug or cybernetics are allowed. then maybe sport wouldn't be so fukn boring.

That's what I say too. I say who cares, let all sportsmen & women go crazy with the drugs. Not sure on the cybernetics thing though, don't quite think we're at crysis nanosuit stages yet.
06:30pm 17/01/13 Permalink
Dazhel
Gold Coast, Queensland
5611 posts
It's interesting that Lance Armstrong's cycling fruit caused the other cyclists to power up instead of causing them to spin out like when fruit gets throw around the track in Mario Kart.
06:37pm 17/01/13 Permalink
PornoPete
Melbourne, Victoria
825 posts
That's what I say too. I say who cares, let all sportsmen & women go crazy with the drugs. Not sure on the cybernetics thing though, don't quite think we're at crysis nanosuit stages yet.


Maybe not nano suit but those swimming trunks got banned a few years ago.
07:49pm 17/01/13 Permalink
Jerry
Queensland
4267 posts
they need to have a full-on anything goes sporting league where any drug or cybernetics are allowed.
then maybe sport wouldn't be so fukn boring.


i read a little bit about the history of doping.. it would seem that it was not such a silly idea back a time ago - endure or die trying for the enjoyment of bystanders


if you had an official sporting even for people on drugs, then how do you decide who is allowed access to the drugs (or is that part of the competition - whoever can get their hands on the best gear?) - none of the 1st world country sports people would last more than a single competition without police on their tail



To make sport exciting, we need to bring back real gladiator competitions! Or just watch Spartacus instead of cycling
10:02pm 17/01/13 Permalink
Tollaz0r!
Brisbane, Queensland
13276 posts
I'd love to see a augmented olympics, just how far can people stretch their physical limits.
Unfortunately there are countries around the world that would severe hardship on their entrants.
10:29pm 17/01/13 Permalink
FaceMan
Brisbane, Queensland
9853 posts
anyone watching the 4 Corners story on Armstrong ?

he also bribed other riders to let him win races
paying them 50 000

he also tested to EPO and it was covered up, he made a secret donation of 50 000 to the doping commission.

They didnt want Armstrong busted because he was the face of cycling.

wow the Sport is just corrupted and like saturated with bribery and drugtaking.
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