We chat with Blizzard's Tom Chilton on all things World of Warcraft: Warlords of Draenor
Talking World of Warcraft: Warlords of Draenor with Tom Chilton
We take the open-world of fictional Kyrat for a spin.
Far Cry 4 Open-World Hands-On Preview
We take on the Dark Lord and his minions in Monolith's epic action-adventure romp
Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor Review
We go hands-on with Ubisoft's next Assassin's Creed game, Unity, to see what all the revolution fuss is about
Assassin's Creed: Unity Hands-On Preview
Sound Card recommendation
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
21994 posts
My sound card died a while ago and I have been using onboard sound instead and it is noticeably worse. For example it distorts during the loud bits of Dark Knight Rises and games just don't sound as good as they used to. I will be using a pair of Sennheiser HD280s so 15.1 surround sound isn't too important of a feature. My last sound card had some headphone specific post-processing effects (like Dolby Headphone) and I quite liked the improvement it made. I am looking to spend around $60ish. What do you guys recommend?
12:11pm 28/12/12 Permalink
system
Internet
--
12:11pm 28/12/12 Permalink
bepatient
Melbourne, Victoria
1128 posts
I just bought this one for my bro for xmas after reading quite a few reviews. He seems very happy so far
12:26pm 28/12/12 Permalink
do0b
Brisbane, Queensland
4484 posts
i ended up getting an external creative soundblaster 5.1 thingo connects via USB. Mainly so i can transfer between lappy and desktop. it rocks.

http://www.techbuy.com.au/p/164846/Creative/70SB109500001/details.asp
12:35pm 28/12/12 Permalink
Whoop
Brisbane, Queensland
21106 posts
I'm noticing a fair bit of distortion in my speakers lately. Don't know if it's my s***** onboard sound or my s***** speakers (always had issues with the speakers).

Would the USB devices have any disadvantages over PCI / PCIe ones? Would audio synchronization be an issue? I remember someone on here was having issues in recording audio or something.
12:51am 30/12/12 Permalink
csirac
Brisbane, Queensland
2805 posts
Look at the Asus Xonar range. They are tops. I'm not sure if they have a ~$60 card though.
01:07am 30/12/12 Permalink
Whoop
Brisbane, Queensland
21107 posts
I'm not sure if they have a ~$60 card though.
yep

another question about my needs. gigabyte have no brains, and have put a bigass heatsink right next to the PCIe x1 slot meaning you can't even use it at all (why include it?) so can you put PCIe x1 cards (little connector) in a PCIe slot meant for a video card? (long slot).
01:20am 30/12/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
20453 posts
I'd recommend avoiding the creative range if you're running Windows 8, because they still don't have official drivers for most of the cards yet, and the beta ones are s*** and buggy as all f***.
01:55am 30/12/12 Permalink
ctd
UK
10194 posts
F***en s***** creative never have up to date drivers. s***c****.
02:28am 30/12/12 Permalink
kos
Germany
2431 posts
I'd recommend avoiding the creative range if you're running Windows 8, because they still don't have official drivers for most of the cards yet, and the beta ones are s*** and buggy as all f***.

Seconded, Creative have really let themselves go recently. Their Sound Blaster Z range looks somewhat like a return to form, but their drivers for Windows Vista onwards have been an absolute pain. And their lack of proper Windows 8 support so far for their last good range of cards (SB X-Fi PCI-E) has been really frustrating.
02:30am 30/12/12 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
6280 posts
so can you put PCIe x1 cards (little connector) in a PCIe slot meant for a video card? (long slot).
Yes (although i think she won't be able to feel much)

Also yes to the pcie 1x into pcie 16x slot.



last edited by skythra at 02:32:38 30/Dec/12
02:31am 30/12/12 Permalink
IVY_MiKe
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory
1352 posts
...Creative have really let themselves go recently. ...
...their drivers for Windows Vista onwards have been an absolute pain...


I'm not sure where your definition of 'recent' comes from, but this is where Creative have existed for a number of years now.

The bit that REALLY bugs me about it is that throughout WinXP's early years, there was an epic soundcard battle, and creative edged out all of the [decent] competition, only to get to Windows Vista and claim (as MS had 'officially dropped support for the game port) 'We won't be writing drivers for any of our soundcard range that have game ports within the design spec' (effectively ruling all of their 'Sound Blaster Live' and 'Audigy' range obsolete).

They did eventually release beta drivers 4-5 months after Vista's launch, but not before being thrashed by the general gaming community.

I was pissed off enough that the 'Audigy' cards were the killing blow to products like Diamond's 'Monster Sound' range of cards (I recall the mx200 as having it's own sound processor on it!!) It was around this time that I switched back to the onboard chipsets for my audio. It's not as good as I recall having a sound setup, but be f***ed if I'm going to give a dollar to Creative, or anyone who's licenced any of their products (which is sad now that I think about it. I started out with a 'Sound Blaster' and the first optical drive I ever used was a creative too!).
08:12am 30/12/12 Permalink
kos
Germany
2432 posts
Isn't that basically just what I said? As you said, Creative were better than the competition throughout Windows XP and then sucked from Vista onwards?

And yes I mean recently as compared to the time 20+ years ago when I had my first Sound Blaster card in DOS and used to spend hours in Dr. Sbaitso (!!) up to Win XP.

Don't worry, though, I've been reading recently that Creative is now seriously struggling as a business thanks mainly to increased competition from greatly improving on-board sound devices.
08:47am 30/12/12 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
22000 posts
Ended up getting this one - http://www.asus.com/Multimedia/Audio_Cards/Xonar_DGX/

Pretty much perfectly suited to my needs.
11:02am 30/12/12 Permalink
Mantorok
Brisbane, Queensland
6723 posts
The bit that REALLY bugs me about it is that throughout WinXP's early years, there was an epic soundcard battle, and creative edged out all of the [decent] competition...
Pfft, the competition died in 2000 when Aureal won a patent lawsuit against Creative but was left crippled by the legal costs.
11:26am 30/12/12 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
22001 posts
I'm a talking parrot.
Please talk to me.
11:46am 30/12/12 Permalink
IVY_MiKe
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory
1353 posts
Fpot have you considered a DAC or/and headphone Amp?
(or are running one atm?)

EDIT: From what I've read, the reviews of the Asus Xonar gear give the impression that it's generally well received. I wouldn't touch ASUS gear, but that's just me. That link you just provided is a great example of why. Looots of 'dramatic' graphs with next to no ACTUAL information on it.
It looks like a great lesson in 'simple marketing' and seems baseless as far as providing any useful, or usable information.
11:48am 30/12/12 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
22002 posts
The card I bought apparently has a headphone amp.

Built-in Headphone AMP to power up every sound detail in gaming
3 headphone AMP gain modes for different usage scenarios - VOIP, pro-gaming, exciter
Doubt it is as good as the one recommended earlier by bepatient, but I am no audiophile and it sounds good to me. Certainly better than the onboard sound which was really pathetic.
12:01pm 30/12/12 Permalink
Obes
Brisbane, Queensland
9876 posts
Be aware that many PCIE sound cards are PCI sound cards with a PCIE-PCI bridge in them. Meaning ... the PCI version has less things that could mess up and is the same basic hardware.
12:56pm 30/12/12 Permalink
parabol
Brisbane, Queensland
7400 posts
Major lack of driver support aside, Creative are total f***wits that deserve to die off:
In 2005, Creative was losing what was once a death grip on the PC audio market. Intel had released the ‘Azalia’ specification for audio, now known as Intel HD Audio. This massive leap in integrated audio rendered discrete cards all but obsolete, so Creative needed to do whatever it could to promote EAX as the premium audio solution for gamers.

In aggressively pushing EAX, it inadvertently destroyed the remaining goodwill of gamers, already annoyed by the lack of easy access to drivers, and for those with longer memories, the death of the only serious competitor in the market, Aureal. Through a notorious act of patent-enforcing bastardry, it forced id Software to include EAX support in Doom 3, despite the fact that John Carmack already had a perfectly good software audio solution.

The patent in question involves techniques for the ‘z-fail’ method of computing shadow volumes in 3D graphics engines. This is a technique widely known as ‘Carmack’s Reverse’, named after John Carmack, who used the technique in Doom 3 to cope with the sheer amount of shadows going on in the game. Unfortunately, despite this widely accepted nickname, Creative held a patent from 1999 that described a similar technique.

So, id announced that it would be incorporating support for EAX in Doom 3, and Creative graciously allowed them to use the Carmack Reverse without paying for it

( Source )
01:54pm 30/12/12 Permalink
system
Internet
--
01:54pm 30/12/12 Permalink
AusGamers Forums
Show: per page
1
This thread is archived and cannot be replied to.