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RGCHarlequin
Melbourne, Victoria
4 posts
He. I know this is in the wong section, but I figured more people would notice and help me.

I plan to buy a computer from a place called PCMeal, and they will give me this -

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/INTEL-Core-i7-3770-3-4GHz-1TB-8GB-GTX660Ti-2GB-Gaming-Computer-Quad-Desktop-PC-/290773505257?pt=AU_comp_dekstop&hash=item43b37394e9

for close to $1000.

My main concerns are -
How well can I run Borderlands 2, Battlefield 3, Diablo 3, The Witcher and other I won't mention on Ultra.

A reply by tomorrow would be reat.

Thanks.
07:19pm 25/12/12 Permalink
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Tiny
Brisbane, Queensland
3339 posts
On ultra... I'm not sure but certainly would expect it to perform on high settings just fine. I basically have the same type of system but I use an older generation geforce gtx570. I run BF3 on high and get pretty good performance all round and in other games.
07:32pm 25/12/12 Permalink
Tollaz0r!
Brisbane, Queensland
13216 posts
OK just to let you know a similar priced PC from umart is about $865 (build yourself, easy as pie).

The GPU is only said to be a 660ti, not sure what model exactly I'm assuming a lower end since they don't specifically say what it is.


Keep in mind if you want to buy windows 8 with that PC you need the 64bit version otherwise 4gb of ram is wasted, so add $115 to your price tag (Their price). Unless you plan on getting if gifted to you.

You are paying roughly $235 for them to build it for you and send it your way without a real OS.

That PC should be able to play Borderlands 2 at max, BF3 at max, Diablo 3 at max Witch at max settings or very close to it.


07:36pm 25/12/12 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
34829 posts
pay me to build you a system, for $1000 i would give you a way better box.
07:43pm 25/12/12 Permalink
RGCHarlequin
Melbourne, Victoria
5 posts
Tollaz0r! - Can you give a link to that umart pc? And I intend to buy Windows 8 with another store, so I've got that covered.
07:49pm 25/12/12 Permalink
RGCHarlequin
Melbourne, Victoria
6 posts
Oh, and I have a budget of 1100 dollars to get something, so please send me any good ones that can run the games I mentioned earlier.
07:52pm 25/12/12 Permalink
Tollaz0r!
Brisbane, Queensland
13217 posts
That is buying all the parts separately and putting them together yourself not a 'package'. It was just to give you an idea on how much you are paying for someone to build it for you.

They do have package built PC's such as

This One for $679

Product Description:
1 Years return to base Warranty
Intel Core i5 3470 CPU - 3.2Ghz
H77 Motherboard
8G DDR3-1600MHz RAM
500GB 7200RPM SATAIII Hard Disk
22x DVD Burner
ATI HD7770 1GB Graphics Card
Thermaltake V4 Mid Tower Case with 500W PSU



08:04pm 25/12/12 Permalink
RGCHarlequin
Melbourne, Victoria
7 posts
I looked at uMart's stuff, and I can't find much to my fancy.
08:10pm 25/12/12 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
34830 posts
id make sure you had an ssd if i built your box.
08:10pm 25/12/12 Permalink
RGCHarlequin
Melbourne, Victoria
8 posts
An SSD. Hm. Great point.
08:15pm 25/12/12 Permalink
Rdizz
Germany
2247 posts
I looked at uMart's stuff, and I can't find much to my fancy.


wut? you can build whatever you like for cheaper and it would have a better case, more ram, and better graphics card and most likely a SSD for that price.

But if your one of these people that just want something now and cbf building a better pc then yeah just get something like your ebay link and pay the premium for a lower performing pc.


edit:as for performance from a 660ti I would highly doubt you will get more than 45-50fps on bf3 multiplayer on ultra with no AA. People with higher end cards that are getting 60 and over will get you every time in twitch based fights.


last edited by Rdizz at 22:07:46 25/Dec/12
10:02pm 25/12/12 Permalink
RGCHarlequin
Melbourne, Victoria
9 posts
It's not that I 'CBF', but this is great value (to me).

And I copied the computer from eBay's configuation to the builder on their site - it was more expensive.
10:29pm 25/12/12 Permalink
Rdizz
Germany
2248 posts
And I copied the computer from eBay's configuation to the builder on their site - it was more expensive.


yeah really? I did too, and I didnt even shop for the best deals I just clicked on the first half decent price for things, and ended up with the same pc but with a better case

USB2 Internal all in one Card Reader black $7.00 $0.64 $7.00
Seagate 1TB 7200RPM 32MB SATA3.0Gb/s NCQ Server edition (ST31000340NS $79.00 $7.18 $79.00
LiteON SATA DVD-RW 24X Black $19.00 $1.73 $19.00
Kingston 8G(2x4G) DDR3 1600MHz CL9 HyperX $55.00 $5.00 $55.00
CoolerMaster RC431 Elite Black with 500W $89.00 $8.09 $89.00
Asrock H77-PRO4-MVP 4 x DDR3 PCI-E3.0 4 x SATA3 4 xUSB3.0 HDMI D-SubDVI-D GLAN RAID QuadCrossFireX A $94.00 $8.55 $94.00
Intel Core i7 3770K/3.50GHz/8MB CACHE/LGA1155 Ivy Bridge $339.00 $30.82 $339.00
Gainward GTX660 TI Phantom2G 2D/H/DP $322.00 $29.27 $322.00
Total $91.27 $1004.00
10:53pm 25/12/12 Permalink
RGCHarlequin
Melbourne, Victoria
11 posts
Did what you did, and it still came up to $1266.

I think I will stick with a pre-built because of the value.
11:04pm 25/12/12 Permalink
Rdizz
Germany
2249 posts
did you just read my post the total was $1004..
11:07pm 25/12/12 Permalink
RGCHarlequin
Melbourne, Victoria
12 posts
I don't know what it is. Can you tell me how good the other link I posted was. Thanks for helping, by the way.
11:21pm 25/12/12 Permalink
Rdizz
Germany
2250 posts
just get the first ebay link
11:31pm 25/12/12 Permalink
RGCHarlequin
Melbourne, Victoria
13 posts
Sorry to be a pest, but can I ask the difference?
11:39pm 25/12/12 Permalink
Alize`
Brisbane, Queensland
1716 posts
Mate you can get umart to build it for you. I think they charge about $70 and you'd still be saving.
12:07am 26/12/12 Permalink
Rdizz
Germany
2251 posts
because it has the better card, then just later on get a ssd and if possible grlet another 660ti and run in sli
12:14am 26/12/12 Permalink
Whoop
Brisbane, Queensland
21064 posts
I love the smell of thinly veiled advertising in the morning.
12:31am 26/12/12 Permalink
koopz
Brisbane, Queensland
9814 posts
buy a laptop... throw it away in a couple of years.


Get an AMD.. they're cheaper and betterer.


Spooker... I suck at this 'salesman dodgey talk'... am I doing this right?


Man.. I should have paid more attention in IRC UNI and staff meetings at Harvey Nornam.. I don't hate ya dude, but I do wonder whether you'll cap out with some work or not

last edited by koopz at 02:07:19 26/Dec/12
02:05am 26/12/12 Permalink
kos
Germany
2422 posts
I think I will stick with a pre-built because of the value.

What value would that be exactly?

You would be a flushing money down the toilet by getting a PC from that eBay seller. Order the parts from somewhere like Umart and pay them the labour to put it together, it'll be cheaper every time.
02:43am 26/12/12 Permalink
Rdizz
Germany
2252 posts
yeah i agree whoop, after his last post i was like, man this has either got to be:

a) a complete f*****g retard
or
b) a sales guy trying to push his s*** on the sly, like a complete f*****g retard.
05:27am 26/12/12 Permalink
Whoop
Brisbane, Queensland
21065 posts
yeah i agree whoop, after his last post i was like, man this has either got to be:

I'm suspicious of anyone who drops the name of the store in the first post. Usually people who come here asking for advice on what to buy, don't even know where to buy. Otherwise you'd just go into the store (or contact the online seller) and ask them which games the system would be capable of running.

edit: In case it is a genuine post
I think I will stick with a pre-built because of the value.

Usually that "value" comes from using the cheapest s*** possible. Especially power supplies and motherboards. The two things you DON'T want to cheap out on.
06:33am 26/12/12 Permalink
RGCHarlequin
Melbourne, Victoria
14 posts
The value to me is pretty clear, and my selling point is a 2GB GTX 670, which to my knowlegde is better than the 660ti, and the
8-core processor. For $1,068 this is awesome for my first gaming pc. (Second if you count my utterly worthless Toshiba laptop running a 315M.)
10:06am 26/12/12 Permalink
Tollaz0r!
Brisbane, Queensland
13218 posts
1. It doesn't tell you exactly what that GTX 670 is.
- Umart ranges from $399 to $589 for different models. Chances are if they don't say exactly what model it is in the advertising then it is on the lower end of the scale.

2. It doesn't say what Mobo it is using.
- It classes Asrock as a big brand. Asrock is a biggish brand budget mobo, not dissing them but come on. It says a H77 'not cheap b75' Motherboard specifications should be based on what you need/expect not to have a bunch of unused features.

3. It doesn't say specifically what RAM you are getting, again the prices for the same amount of RAM greatly differ. Assume cheapest.

4. HDD model is not named, it could be anything. Prices once again range. What model is it? Does it have a higher than normal return rate?

5. 'Gaming PSU' What the hell is that? You can get super big 750 Power supplies that output a maximum of 300watts across all 12V rails, there is no way of telling without knowing the exact model. PSU's greatly differ in price, performance and utility.



Bottom line is, if you want to drop 1 Grand on what seems to be a impulse buy, at least know what the exact models of everything is that you are purchasing.

I'm sure the seller will be happy to tell you all the model names.

10:31am 26/12/12 Permalink
RGCHarlequin
Melbourne, Victoria
15 posts
Hard Drive - 3.5" 1TB / 1000GB SATA III 7200rpm HDD
PSU - Comes with case, so assume it's made by the case brand.
RAM - 8GB (2 x 4GB) Dual Channel DDR3 PC-12800 (1600MHz)
240-pin
Graphics Card - nVidia GeForce GTX670 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI-E 3.0
Base:915 boost:980/6008MHz, DVI / HDMI / Display Port,
DX11, Fan
Motherboard - All-in-one AMD 770/870G/880G Chipset

I can't make heads or tails of it, but is this good?
10:42am 26/12/12 Permalink
Tollaz0r!
Brisbane, Queensland
13219 posts
HDD what model
PSU What model
Ram What model
Graphics Card, What model 670
Mobo, What model

See the pattern yet? You will need to contact the Ebay Seller to get the exact models.

PSU's that come with the case are very often low quality PSU's they can be fine if you don't push them, don't expect to see 700 Watts out of them though.
10:58am 26/12/12 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
3554 posts
tbh, most of the new i5's, a gtx660ti, and a solid mb, and PSU, will solve all

Ram, 4gb will do just about all you need, i run 12, but I've had the my rig running on 4gb, and it is honestly all you'll need

a rig like that isn't going to cost much, and youre going to get more enjoyment imo gaming with the parts you see and touch

spendin $800 on a solid rig, and $400 on a monitor you'll have more enjoyment, because it doesn't matter how good the parts youre using are, if youre unable to enjoy it (i for one would had to go back to the old 19" monitor)
11:03am 26/12/12 Permalink
RGCHarlequin
Melbourne, Victoria
16 posts
tbh, most of the new i5's, a gtx660ti, and a solid mb, and PSU, will solve allRam, 4gb will do just about all you need, i run 12, but I've had the my rig running on 4gb, and it is honestly all you'll needa rig like that isn't going to cost much, and youre going to get more enjoyment imo gaming with the parts you see and touchspendin $800 on a solid rig, and $400 on a monitor you'll have more enjoyment, because it doesn't matter how good the parts youre using are, if youre unable to enjoy it (i for one would had to go back to the old 19" monitor)


I have a monitor. And surely what you listed (i5, 660ti,etc) isn't as good as the 2nd link I posted. But I see your point.
11:07am 26/12/12 Permalink
RGCHarlequin
Melbourne, Victoria
17 posts
HDD what model
PSU What model
Ram What model
Graphics Card, What model 670
Mobo, What model

See the pattern yet? You will need to contact the Ebay Seller to get the exact models.

PSU's that come with the case are very often low quality PSU's they can be fine if you don't push them, don't expect to see 700 Watts out of them though.


Research leads me to believe it's a Kingston RAM.
And a Galaxy GF GTX670.
And an AMD 8-Core Mobo( a motherboard I presume?).
I don't know what PSU. It's 700w.
And a 'Caviar' HDD.
11:22am 26/12/12 Permalink
slyin
Brisbane, Queensland
133 posts
8 CORES YOU SAY???
11:26am 26/12/12 Permalink
Rdizz
Germany
2253 posts
lol not one brand name listed.

Multiple people here have told you better options, you insist on getting one of these 2 rip off pc's from the same ebay store yet you come back with ignorance or stupidity and spaming these links.
So what you can now do is f*** off from this forum and buy either one of those pc's that dont come with a operating system eeven though the ad's are spamming the s*** out of microsoft logos.

Im done with this guy. Its gotta be a scam or some idiot trying to get traffic to his ebay stuff.


11:52am 26/12/12 Permalink
RGCHarlequin
Melbourne, Victoria
19 posts
lol not one brand name listed.

Multiple people here have told you better options, you insist on getting one of these 2 rip off pc's from the same ebay store yet you come back with ignorance or stupidity and spaming these links.
So what you can now do is f*** off from this forum and buy either one of those pc's that dont come with a operating system eeven though the ad's are spamming the s*** out of microsoft logos.

Im done with this guy. Its gotta be a scam or some idiot trying to get traffic to his ebay stuff.


I gave you brands before. It comes with Windows 7 too. I'm trying not to be ignorant. But my goal here is to get an opinion on the PC's that I have found and like.
11:54am 26/12/12 Permalink
Protius
Brisbane, Queensland
4471 posts
GET OUT THE BAN STICK!

No one here wants to buy your overpriced PCs.
11:58am 26/12/12 Permalink
Rdizz
Germany
2254 posts
how old are you?
11:59am 26/12/12 Permalink
RGCHarlequin
Melbourne, Victoria
20 posts
how old are you?

13.

And no. Call of Duty sucks, and my favourite game is Portal 2.
12:01pm 26/12/12 Permalink
Rdizz
Germany
2255 posts
ahhhh there we go that would explain it. well dude i highly recommend you find an older friendn or family member who has an idea about computers to help you
12:03pm 26/12/12 Permalink
RGCHarlequin
Melbourne, Victoria
21 posts
ahhhh there we go that would explain it. well dude i highly recommend you find anolder friendn or family member who has an idea about computers to help you


If that was the case, I wouldn't have made this post. Not a damn person in my family knows what OS stands for, let alone what I want in a computer.
12:05pm 26/12/12 Permalink
Rdizz
Germany
2256 posts
hmm well look for another ebay store and dont get sucked in by all the fancy colourful ads and cases, its whats inside that counts.
12:08pm 26/12/12 Permalink
RGCHarlequin
Melbourne, Victoria
22 posts
hmm well look for another ebay store and dont get sucked in by all the fancy colourful ads and cases, its whats inside that counts.


I know the scheme behind glorification via colorful ads. But the stuff inside the box seems pretty good to me.
12:12pm 26/12/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
8314 posts
Personally I think you should simply ask one of the locals here to help you build a parts list , just give them a cash limit and they'll most likely make something much better than these Ebay pre-built computers. It is very likely that the parts are the cheapest possible, and that they'll be putting a premium on the price for the "labour".
12:19pm 26/12/12 Permalink
Tollaz0r!
Brisbane, Queensland
13220 posts
No wonder you don't want to do the fairly easy work to save $250+, you are probably gifted the $1000 and don't fully understand how much that is, so pfft $250 right?

If no-one in your family knows about PC's then go to a shop like Computer-alliance or something and buy it from the store, that way your mum/dad can take it back to the store if there are problems. An Ebay seller probably isn't the best option if you have problems and have no idea.

12:24pm 26/12/12 Permalink
RGCHarlequin
Melbourne, Victoria
23 posts
No wonder you don't want to do the fairly easy work to save $250+, you are probably gifted the $1000 and don't fully understand how much that is, so pfft $250 right?

If no-one in your family knows about PC's then go to a shop like Computer-alliance or something and buy it from the store, that way your mum/dad can take it back to the store if there are problems. An Ebay seller probably isn't the best option if you have problems and have no idea.


Don't fully understand? What are you implying?
12:27pm 26/12/12 Permalink
Rdizz
Germany
2257 posts
I just realised I joined qgl when I was his age and now im nearly 27.. ive been here and had qgl forum as my homepage for 14 years!

anyway i agree with toll.
12:32pm 26/12/12 Permalink
RGCHarlequin
Melbourne, Victoria
24 posts
Anyway, today I have to order something. If anyone has something better inside the $1100 budget, speak now.
12:40pm 26/12/12 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
3555 posts
s***, when i was 13 my computer had a turbo button, pushing that bad boy to 25hz


you have a few options as I see, you can get an all ready to go system done

or you could spend big on a few key parts that will last you a number of PC builds, (I had a lain li housing my main PC for 10years, and about 6 builds, great value, and now n use housing a media PC)

think of it this way, have $1000 to spend on a new PC every 2 years you could build a good system now, that will run most things now

or spend big on a top shelf case, PSU, and SSD, and a HDD. these things should last you at least 2-3 builds more if your look after it, and youre lucky

the rest can be spend on descent parts that will blow a console out of the water,

next build if the CPU is still ticking along, you can blow all $1000 on video card/s, (fyi a current gtx690 will be good at running all the top level games for the next 4-6 years!)

and so-on, that way, when you hit uni, and will be poor and have not enough money for a upgrades, you'll have a really solid PC to see you thru till the money rolls in again
12:53pm 26/12/12 Permalink
RGCHarlequin
Melbourne, Victoria
25 posts
s***, when i was 13 my computer had a turbo button, pushing that bad boy to 25hz you have a few options as I see, you can get an all ready to go system doneor you could spend big on a few key parts that will last you a number of PC builds, (I had a lain li housing my main PC for 10years, and about 6 builds, great value, and now n use housing a media PC) think of it this way, have $1000 to spend on a new PC every 2 years you could build a good system now, that will run most things now or spend big on a top shelf case, PSU, and SSD, and a HDD. these things should last you at least 2-3 builds more if your look after it, and youre luckythe rest can be spend on descent parts that will blow a console out of the water, next build if the CPU is still ticking along, you can blow all $1000 on video card/s, (fyi a current gtx690 will be good at running all the top level games for the next 4-6 years!)and so-on, that way, when you hit uni, and will be poor and have not enough money for a upgrades, you'll have a really solid PC to see you thru till the money rolls in again


Hm. I see your point, and it's a good one. But I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.

eBay computer it is.
01:02pm 26/12/12 Permalink
Whoop
Brisbane, Queensland
21066 posts
hey guys I value your opinion so what do you reckon of this computer?

lol nah I'm 13 and I know everything, you old f*** know nothing, I'm getting it anyway
http://i.imgur.com/u03yh.jpg
02:24pm 26/12/12 Permalink
WirlWind
Central Coast, New South Wales
447 posts
For people saying the 660Ti is a garbage card, it's actually not. It out-performs a stock GTX580 by a decent margin in a lot of benches I saw on it.

I'm running an i5 3570k and an O/C'd GTX580 and easily get more than 60 fps @ 1920x1080 on BF3 ultra.

See here, it averages 68fps on 4x AA and ultra / DX11.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2012/08/16/nvidia-geforce-gtx-660-ti-2gb-review/5

::EDIT::

Also, gotta love people like that guy...

Me: "Oh hey, I just spent a good hour or so doing research and compiling a list for the perfect setup within your price range!"

Them: "Nah, s'all good, I just bought one from d***-smith LOOOOOLLLL"

Me: *Murder is wrong... murder is wrong... murder is wro.... F*** IT!*
02:51pm 26/12/12 Permalink
reload!
Brisbane, Queensland
7037 posts
wait wait wait wait wait

YOU CAN GET 8 F*****G CORES?????
03:29pm 26/12/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
20442 posts
Anyway, today I have to order something. If anyone has something better inside the $1100 budget, speak now.


Sounds to me like plenty of people offered suggestions for something better, but you're determined to buy from a dodgy ebay seller instead. Why bother coming to ask for advice when you've already made up your mind and aren't willing to listen to any suggestions?
03:44pm 26/12/12 Permalink
RGCHarlequin
Melbourne, Victoria
26 posts
hey guys I value your opinion so what do you reckon of this computer?lol nah I'm 13 and I know everything, you old f*** know nothing, I'm getting it anywayhttp://i.imgur.com/u03yh.jpg


I'm not surprised at the people that take me for granted. I genuinely value your opinion while you assume that I think that you're all 'old f***' and know nothing. From what I've seen, you guys know a considerable amount. So stop taking me as a d***.
03:45pm 26/12/12 Permalink
RGCHarlequin
Melbourne, Victoria
27 posts
Sounds to me like plenty of people offered suggestions for something better, but you're determined to buy from a dodgy ebay seller instead. Why bother coming to ask for advice when you've already made up your mind and aren't willing to listen to any suggestions?


I have looked at every suggestion, and It seems that the eBay one is better value. Can you suggest something?
03:56pm 26/12/12 Permalink
RGCHarlequin
Melbourne, Victoria
28 posts
Alright. I've opted for an MSY system, built to my needs. MSY is about 2 minutes from me.

i7 3770K - $332
ASROCK H77 - $94
Kingston 8GB (2X4) - $49
Seagate 1 TB - $73
Lite-ON disc drive - $19
Codegen 6220 CA w/ PSU - $35
GTX 670 2GB OC - $399
Windows 8 - $99
Wireless N card - $15
Card Reader - $7

Labouring charge - $70

Total - $1184

How good can this run Borderlands 2, Battlefield 3 and Diablo III?
06:21pm 26/12/12 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
21991 posts
It would easily run every game out and every game till the next generation of consoles I reckon.

edit: it is pretty much my machine exactly except I have a Radeon 7970 and I am very happy with the performance.
06:30pm 26/12/12 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
17627 posts
that will smoke every game available
06:31pm 26/12/12 Permalink
deadlyf
Queensland
2888 posts
i7 3770K - $332
ASROCK H77 - $94
Kingston 8GB (2X4) - $49
Seagate 1 TB - $73
Lite-ON disc drive - $19
Codegen 6220 CA w/ PSU - $35
GTX 670 2GB OC - $399
Windows 8 - $99
Wireless N card - $15
Card Reader - $7

Drop the i7 and get an i5 3570 for $202, you won't see much of a performance difference between the two processors and none at all in games.

With the money you save on that get a Samsung SSD, you will see a massive performance increase with an SSD. You only need one big enough to fit the OS and a few games on it, keep all your media files and porn on the 1TB HDD.
06:58pm 26/12/12 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
8379 posts

Codegen 6220 CA w/ PSU - $35


This case and PSU will probably be s***. I'd get an i5 and maybe a cheaper GPU in favour of a good case and PSU.
07:24pm 26/12/12 Permalink
WirlWind
Central Coast, New South Wales
448 posts
+1 on the i5 3570k. I have it in my PC, it runs a treat. Motherboards are generally cheaper for them too, make sure it's a Z77 chipset so you can overclock it if you ever need to.

And for gaming, it's just as good as a similar speed i7 and overclocks to semi-ridiculous levels.
07:52pm 26/12/12 Permalink
Tollaz0r!
Brisbane, Queensland
13221 posts
Excellent that you looked at MSY systems, well done.

I'd personally pull back on spending $400 on a video card and get a mid ranger at $200-250 range and get the i5 and save some more. That is a good $300+ savings that could go towards a Samsung 830 series SSD (excellent value, I got one). Then you have $150-200 to spend on a couple of games to play on your new rig or save for another day.

Getting high end computer parts is rarely cost effective, as is getting low end s***. Mid range is the best bang4buck.
09:52pm 26/12/12 Permalink
trillion
Brisbane, Queensland
2793 posts
yeah drop the i7 for an i5, an i7 is the one to get if you need to intend to apply it to compute intensive applications like databasing or rendering.

You might be able to run more inte background while you are gaming and with an i5 but how likely are you to really need to do that when it can save you that much?

also the good case, for access to the inner and placemet and spacing of all the components and decent psu abd worth spending a little extra on than totally cheaping out on them.
10:02pm 26/12/12 Permalink
Whoop
Brisbane, Queensland
21072 posts
I love my i7, so fast at d***ing about with HD video. Being able to play games at the same time is also a bonus.
10:06pm 26/12/12 Permalink
RGCHarlequin
Melbourne, Victoria
29 posts
Alright. Based on your recommendations, what to give, take, etc: I have come up with this:

i5 3570 - $202
ASROCK Z77 - $135
Kingston 2 x 4 (8GB) - $49
Seagate 1TB - $73
Lite-ON Disc Drive - $19
Thermaltake w/ 450w PSU - $69
GTX 670 OC - $399
Windows 8 - $99
Wireless N Card - $15
Card Reader - $7
60 GB SSD - $68
Labour - $70

Total - $1195

I have researched benchmarks and whatnot, and I am damn happy with this. Any other suggestions?
10:53pm 26/12/12 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
8380 posts
I still think you're spending too much on a GPU. I have a Radeon 5850 that is a year or so old and runs the games you're talking about without any problems at 1080p.
10:55pm 26/12/12 Permalink
RGCHarlequin
Melbourne, Victoria
30 posts
I still think you're spending too much on a GPU. I have a Radeon 5850 that is a year or so old and runs the games you're talking about without any problems at 1080p.


After researching benchmarks - 670 vs 5850, it seems that the 670 is superior.
10:59pm 26/12/12 Permalink
Mitch
Western Australia
529 posts
I have a 7950 and even that cops a hammering from Far cry 3. 670 is a solid card and will future proof you fairly well.

That being said for a little bit less a 660ti would be a good card aswell if you are running 1920 x 1080
11:12pm 26/12/12 Permalink
Whoop
Brisbane, Queensland
21074 posts
Getting high end computer parts is rarely cost effective, as is getting low end s***. Mid range is the best bang4buck.
I usually just spend a bit on it up front and then not have to upgrade for ages. Other people like to go the lower end stuff and do smaller upgrades as time goes by. I think in the end as long as you're not paying $10,000 for the PC then all is well (I've seen some people in games claim their PC cost that much).
11:13pm 26/12/12 Permalink
RGCHarlequin
Melbourne, Victoria
31 posts
I have a 7950 and even that cops a hammering from Far cry 3. 670 is a solid card and will future proof you fairly well. That being said for a little bit less a 660ti would be a good card aswell if you are running 1920 x 1080


I've even compared the 660ti and the 670, which was my first preference. I like the 670 better, because I've seen a man's Borderlands 2 gameplay with the 670 and said that his highest was 161 FPS, and lowest was 51. Seems pretty great.
11:26pm 26/12/12 Permalink
Mitch
Western Australia
530 posts
Borderlands 2 isn't the most depending game around. Cant read into that too much.
11:37pm 26/12/12 Permalink
RGCHarlequin
Melbourne, Victoria
32 posts
Borderlands 2 isn't the most depending game around. Cant read into that too much.

That may be, but it's one that I want real bad.
11:41pm 26/12/12 Permalink
WirlWind
Central Coast, New South Wales
449 posts
I would suggest a stronger PSU. If that's the one coming packed in with the case, chances are it might have issues with all the kit going in.

I'm using an Antec Earthwatts 650w and it does my old power-hungry 580 just fine, should be good for your setup. Bit more expensive for that, though someone else can probably recommend a cheaper and similarly suitable PSU for your rig.

Other than that, should be screaming fast :)
12:22am 27/12/12 Permalink
RGCHarlequin
Melbourne, Victoria
33 posts
I would suggest a stronger PSU. If that's the one coming packed in with the case, chances are it might have issues with all the kit going in.I'm using an Antec Earthwatts 650w and it does my old power-hungry 580 just fine, should be good for your setup. Bit more expensive for that, though someone else can probably recommend a cheaper and similarly suitable PSU for your rig.Other than that, should be screaming fast :)


I can't afford anything more. Even $1195 is stretching my budget. I am damn happy with it thoug.

And, how good can it run Borderlands 2 w/ PhysX, on Ultra?
12:28am 27/12/12 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
21993 posts
Cut down on something else to buy a better PSU. It doesn't give you extra frames in a game but it will make your machine a whole lot more stable.
01:22am 27/12/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
20444 posts
+1 to getting a better PSU. Its all good to be pulling 160 fps in Borderlands 2, but guess how many fps you'll be pulling when your cheapass PSU shorts out and takes the motherboard and/or video card with it?
01:45am 27/12/12 Permalink
Mitch
Western Australia
531 posts
+1 for better PSU. Its not really you wonna skimp out as your whole systems stability depends on it.
01:50am 27/12/12 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
3560 posts
i've got a GTX570, and i can run boarderlands 2 maxed out, and it looks pretty and smooth
03:43am 27/12/12 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
8382 posts

After researching benchmarks - 670 vs 5850, it seems that the 670 is superior.


No doubt, it's a generation or two newer. Point is you don't need to spend 400 on a video card to play those games at a decent rate. As khel said you're PSU is going to cause a whole bunch of stability problems and will s*** out with the possibility of taking other components with it.
07:33am 27/12/12 Permalink
RGCHarlequin
Melbourne, Victoria
34 posts
Alright - switched from ThermalTake w/ PSU to a SHAW 680 watt Gaming PSU and an Asus Vento TA_U11 case.

Should I be good?
10:07am 27/12/12 Permalink
Whoop
Brisbane, Queensland
21077 posts
an $18 power supply? Yeah I can't possibly see any problems with that.


(sarcasm)
10:38am 27/12/12 Permalink
RGCHarlequin
Melbourne, Victoria
35 posts
an $18 power supply? Yeah I can't possibly see any problems with that.(sarcasm)


I have a budget.
10:38am 27/12/12 Permalink
Whoop
Brisbane, Queensland
21078 posts
and a wish to see the computer go up in smoke it seems. Power supplies are the one thing you DON'T want to cheap out on. Hard drives die and take your porn with it, ram dies and crashes windows, video cards die and make everything look like candyland. Replace the faulty item and you're back in business reasonably cheap (usually).

Powersupplies die and they can potentially take out EVERYTHING.

Have fun with that.
10:43am 27/12/12 Permalink
RGCHarlequin
Melbourne, Victoria
36 posts
and a wish to see the computer go up in smoke it seems.


It's the only thing I can afford.
10:45am 27/12/12 Permalink
RGCHarlequin
Melbourne, Victoria
37 posts
What do you reccomend?
10:48am 27/12/12 Permalink
Tollaz0r!
Brisbane, Queensland
13225 posts
Cut down on your video card.
A GTX660, umart has Gainward Golden Sample for $235 and will please you very well.
the $165 savings on buying a $70 PSU.

Also what monitor are you using?
10:59am 27/12/12 Permalink
RGCHarlequin
Melbourne, Victoria
38 posts
Cut down on your video card.
A GTX660, umart has Gainward Golden Sample for $235 and will please you very well.
the $165 savings on buying a $70 PSU.

Also what monitor are you using?


A 27 inch that I play Xbox on.
11:37am 27/12/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
8321 posts
Here you are, something I whipped up. It is missing a SSD though so put whatever you want into it, however this will run everything at max or near enough.

http://i.imgur.com/wtd7Nl.jpg
11:54am 27/12/12 Permalink
RGCHarlequin
Melbourne, Victoria
39 posts
How about a Thermaltake V3 Black w/ 450 watt PSU?
11:57am 27/12/12 Permalink
Rdizz
Germany
2259 posts
you could even save $65 from that because he wont need that cooler unless hes going to overclock, which he wont need to do, and even if he does the standard intel coolers these days can handle a slight overclock with no drama.
11:59am 27/12/12 Permalink
stinky
USA
3751 posts
What about something like this it's got tons of good stuff inside and has grate value as prebuilt.
12:04pm 27/12/12 Permalink
RGCHarlequin
Melbourne, Victoria
40 posts
What about something like this it's got tons of good stuff inside and has grate value as prebuilt.


That was my original buy, but that come without windows and a Wireless N card. Even then, the 670 version of that is 30$ cheaper.
12:07pm 27/12/12 Permalink
deadlyf
Queensland
2889 posts
I don't see the problem with the PSU. 450 might be a little low but the nvidia cards are supposed to be really efficient and he isn't loading it up with a lot of HDD's or overclocking anything. It's a Thermaltake PSU so it's not going to be completely unreliable.

I'd probably spend an extra $3 and get Thermaltake VO700A1N3N Versa II USB3.0 Tower Case with 500W PSU for $72 for a larger PSU and USB 3 front ports.
12:08pm 27/12/12 Permalink
RGCHarlequin
Melbourne, Victoria
41 posts
I don't see the problem with the PSU. 450 might be a little low but the nvidia cards are supposed to be really efficient and he isn't loading it up with a lot of HDD's or overclocking anything. It's a Thermaltake PSU so it's not going to be completely unreliable.I'd probably spend an extra $3 and get Thermaltake VO700A1N3N Versa II USB3.0 Tower Case with 500W PSU for $72 for a larger PSU and USB 3 front ports.


Great idea. So it comes to $1188, which I think is a huge success.
12:14pm 27/12/12 Permalink
WirlWind
Central Coast, New South Wales
453 posts
I don't see the problem with the PSU. 450 might be a little low but the nvidia cards are supposed to be really efficient and he isn't loading it up with a lot of HDD's or overclocking anything. It's a Thermaltake PSU so it's not going to be completely unreliable.I'd probably spend an extra $3 and get Thermaltake VO700A1N3N Versa II USB3.0 Tower Case with 500W PSU for $72 for a larger PSU and USB 3 front ports.


The problem with the PSU is in almost every instance, the pack-in PSU's are barely a step above generics. There's usually a reason why they're happy to sell a case AND a PSU for the price of a decent PSU, it's because it's cheap.
12:38pm 27/12/12 Permalink
Whoop
Brisbane, Queensland
21081 posts
you could even save $65 from that because he wont need that cooler unless hes going to overclock, which he wont need to do, and even if he does the standard intel coolers these days can handle a slight overclock with no drama.

Trust me. You need an aftermarket cooler. I had the stock cooler on for about a day and even at stock speeds it's s***house.
12:47pm 27/12/12 Permalink
RGCHarlequin
Melbourne, Victoria
42 posts
The problem with the PSU is in almost every instance, the pack-in PSU's are barely a step above generics. There's usually a reason why they're happy to sell a case AND a PSU for the price of a decent PSU, it's because it's cheap.


Well, my budget isn't large enough for a decent PSU and case.
12:47pm 27/12/12 Permalink
RGCHarlequin
Melbourne, Victoria
43 posts
Well, my budget isn't large enough for a decent PSU and case.


How about a Mid- Thermaltake w/ 500w PSU. Comes to $1191.
01:22pm 27/12/12 Permalink
Enska
Sydney, New South Wales
1866 posts
I would hope that a 670 would come out in front of a 5850...
01:25pm 27/12/12 Permalink
RGCHarlequin
Melbourne, Victoria
44 posts
I would hope that a 670 would come out in front of a 5850...


Me too.
01:27pm 27/12/12 Permalink
Enska
Sydney, New South Wales
1869 posts
haha, then why even bother comparing the two if you seem to know what the f*** your on about?
01:33pm 27/12/12 Permalink
RGCHarlequin
Melbourne, Victoria
45 posts
haha, then why even bother comparing the two if you seem to know what the f*** your on about?


Because a poster said he was running one, so I checked it out.
01:37pm 27/12/12 Permalink
RGCHarlequin
Melbourne, Victoria
46 posts
I'm getting my PC today, but before I go, is there anything I've left out?
02:02pm 27/12/12 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
3561 posts
I'm getting my PC today, but before I go, is there anything I've left out?



coke, and M&M's, and to make sure that you have heaps of download allowance, and a steam account?
oh, a bean bags for relaxed gaming
02:42pm 27/12/12 Permalink
Dazhel
Gold Coast, Queensland
5532 posts
Well, my budget isn't large enough for a decent PSU and case.


You'd be forgiven for not giving a rats about the case, but the budget should always be large enough for a decent PSU. Definitely something to reflect on when you're sitting there after the cheap piece of junk blows and fries everything along with it.
02:50pm 27/12/12 Permalink
Rdizz
Germany
2261 posts
i want to see pics of this setup when done
03:54pm 27/12/12 Permalink
Enska
Sydney, New South Wales
1870 posts
Ticman wasn't posting to say that a 5850 would perform similarly to a 670, he was saying that a cheaper card would get you out of trouble..

why am I bothering, blow your money (ha) as you see fit.
04:28pm 27/12/12 Permalink
RGCHarlequin
Melbourne, Victoria
47 posts
I'm back, and f*****g exciting. It came out overpriced, but my mum gave in. The new PC is as follows.

Intel i5 3570 Ivy Bridge, 3.4/3.8 GHZ
AsRock Z77 Extreme4 Motherboard
Kingston HyperX 8GB (4X2GB)
Seagate 3.5 inch Barracude 1TB HDD
LG DVD RW - SATA
MSI GT670 OC, 2GB DDR5
64bit Microsoft Windows 8
CoolerMaster RC-371 case, no PSU
Thermaltake LitePower 700 Watt PSU
Wireless N Card
Intel 120GB SSD

All up to $1,301 dollars.

Did I do good?
04:34pm 27/12/12 Permalink
RGCHarlequin
Melbourne, Victoria
48 posts
Oh, and the case is the blandest piece of s*** I've seen, but nothing some Razer and BL2 Deluxe Vault Hunter's Edition sticker can't fix.
05:26pm 27/12/12 Permalink
Whoop
Brisbane, Queensland
21085 posts
bland is good. It's like the sleeper you pull up next to at the lights. Looks like a stock nannamobile, but under the hood it's all business.
07:30pm 27/12/12 Permalink
RGCHarlequin
Melbourne, Victoria
49 posts
bland is good. It's like the sleeper you pull up next to at the lights. Looks like a stock nannamobile, but under the hood it's all business.


Which is what matters.
07:37pm 27/12/12 Permalink
RGCHarlequin
Melbourne, Victoria
50 posts
It wall take until Thursday too.
07:38pm 27/12/12 Permalink
kos
Germany
2425 posts
Looks pretty good Harlequin! Glad to see you came around in the end.

Honestly though, find a friend or relative who knows how to put a PC together (or maybe even just find a bunch of instructional videos on YouTube about it or something), get them to take you through it once or twice and it'll open up a whole world of building, upgrading, overclocking, and best of all never having to pay for labour or overpriced pre-built systems ever again.
09:04pm 27/12/12 Permalink
WirlWind
Central Coast, New South Wales
455 posts
and best of all never having to pay for labour or overpriced pre-built systems ever again.


Or you can charge friends $70 to build their system :)
09:48pm 27/12/12 Permalink
RGCHarlequin
Melbourne, Victoria
51 posts
Looks pretty good Harlequin! Glad to see you came around in the end.Honestly though, find a friend or relative who knows how to put a PC together (or maybe even just find a bunch of instructional videos on YouTube about it or something), get them to take you through it once or twice and it'll open up a whole world of building, upgrading, overclocking, and best of all never having to pay for labour or overpriced pre-built systems ever again.


I must admit I am damn pleased with it. I may or may not switch from Xbox to PC. Goodbye 36190 gamerscore!
09:55pm 27/12/12 Permalink
Rdizz
Germany
2263 posts
good job there.

last edited by Rdizz at 23:45:00 27/Dec/12
11:43pm 27/12/12 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
19370 posts
the best thing about buying the parts and building from scratch is that you learn about PCs.

screw getting some kid to build your pc when you can build it yourself while drunk for zero dollars and 3 times the time required.

last edited by infi at 23:57:49 27/Dec/12
11:54pm 27/12/12 Permalink
trillion
Brisbane, Queensland
2795 posts
maybe you'll progress from being a gamer to working on developing the next-gen games if you have that interest?

Sure wish I'd have had the chance to get stuck into it with all the possibilities that the software and hardware nowdays seems to promise.

Have a look at something like the 'Make Something Unreal' promotions or just see if WetWired pops up every now and then around here to see what it's like getting creative work in games.

It's probably a bit OT, but it seems to me if you have the gaming interest from such a young age and you have a bit of creative nack you could really do well if you discovered development and not just gaming consumption (seems like you come from a console introduction to it)
12:36am 28/12/12 Permalink
Superform
Netherlands
7629 posts
double check that psu.. doest look compatible

edit.. nm it has a 6 pin and a 6+2

you should be fine
12:41am 28/12/12 Permalink
RGCHarlequin
Melbourne, Victoria
52 posts
maybe you'll progress from being a gamer to working on developing the next-gen games if you have that interest?

Sure wish I'd have had the chance to get stuck into it with all the possibilities that the software and hardware nowdays seems to promise.

Have a look at something like the 'Make Something Unreal' promotions or just see if WetWired pops up every now and then around here to see what it's like getting creative work in games.

It's probably a bit OT, but it seems to me if you have the gaming interest from such a young age and you have a bit of creative nack you could really do well if you discovered development and not just gaming consumption (seems like you come from a console introduction to it)


Well, I intend to become a games journalist, mostly because I think I am a good writer. I have a blog, which I haven't updated in a month because my laptop is mentally unstable with a BSOD. Here it is:

gameplayrebellion.blogspot.com.au

Oh, and my 3 favorite games ever in order, are Portal 2, L.A. Noire and Mirrors Edge.
01:02am 28/12/12 Permalink
konstie
Melbourne, Victoria
2037 posts
why are they your favorite games
01:35am 28/12/12 Permalink
RGCHarlequin
Melbourne, Victoria
53 posts
why are they your favorite games


Portal 2 for it's dark humor, pacing, voice acting, clever puzzles and co-op.
L.A. Noire for it's non-linear interrogation, realism towards 1940's L.A., and MotionScan. (And it was made in Sydney)
Mirrors Edge for it's strong use of bright colors, smooth running and melee, and surprising replayability.
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