http://www.parliament.qld.gov.au/work-of-assembly/petitions/e-petitions

I'm from VIC so I can't do much, but you guys should take 5 secs to complete the ones that matter to you.

Those against same sex unions are outvoting the gays 2-to-1. It's a bit of a blow out.

Thanks Pinky, done, but it seems my choice has been balanced out by AndrewB

haha airsoft legislation

that brings back some memories of awesome qgl times

Subject: Defending marriage in Queensland Eligibility:
Queensland residents Sponsoring Member: The Clerk of the Parliament Principal
Petitioner: Wendy Francis 53 Prospect Road GAYTHORNE QLD 4051

teehehe she hates the gays but lives in gaythorne.

Anyone can criticise, infi. Providing simple, viable alternatives is the actual challenge.

Electors of Bundaberg draws to the attention of the House that there are insufficient air services to the growing population of Bundaberg to secure the economic future of the Bundaberg region and ensure residents have access to regular and affordable air services.

Your petitioners, therefore, request the House to support the introduction of Jetstar and Virgin Blue services to Bundaberg.

What

If prostitutes can marry then why not gays?

That Confucius one makes no sense. They are upset that they don't allow discussion of China's human rights violations in the classrooms and therefore claim it is propaganda by omission and our children need protecting from the communists.

But they are classes held in Universities, so you have to actively apply and I'm guessing it'd be adults and it would also assumedly be about Confucius theology so they probably don't want to talk about shit not related to Confucianism. It's seems kind of ironic that they want the Government to oppress something they don't agree with.

just because andrewb doesnt think gay people should have teh same rights as us straighties (and he wants to burn all their houses down) hes not a homophobe!

I have always found it interesting that people want to keep marriage traditional as in a man and a woman, but the first recorded marriages were Mesopotamian and same sex marriages were allowed then and there and later in Ancient Egypt, Greece, etc.

Maybe you can sway the rest of us with your arguments about why marriage needs "protecting"?

in a few decades everyone who was "anti gay" will be thought of in the same way that we think of racists now
it used to be hip to discriminate against black people marrying whities, now you're just a cunt if you do it

I'm not ant-gay, i'm anti-gay marriage. Theres a difference, but people assume you are anti-gay before you don't support change in the institution of marriage.

Homophobe is the new the racist if you haven't already noticed. In a couple of years, everything in the know universe will be "homophobic" just like everything in the known universe is "Racist" today.

It's sad that in todays society that we need to come up with fear/bully words in order to force people to support things. That's basically what these labels are used for. "Well i don't want to be called a racist, i better not support this or say this or speak out again this"

Support the NT intervention? You're a White supremacist
Don't support Gay marriage? You're a Homophobe
Don't support people risking their lives and dieing by coming in boats? You're a Racist
Don't support a new tax? You're a climate change denier.

The list goes on.

I sympathise with the point, but the argument that same sex marriages was acceptable to ancient collapsed civilizations probably isn't a productive one for the cause. Don't the opponents of same sex marriage keep ranting that it will bring about the downfall of everything?

Not my argument, just something I find interesting.

I signed the airsoft one as my brother got raided by the cops for having one in his car, cost him $300 and a court appearance, with 6 month good behavior. Also signed same sex union as best mates brother is gay and they should have same rights as anyone else.

Don't support Gay marriage? You're a Homophobe
Don't support people risking their lives and dieing by coming in boats? You're a Racist

precisely

I'm not ant-gay, i'm anti-gay marriage.

care to state your case for your stance? I'm genuinely interested

my case in support is simply I don't see why it is even an issue. if two consenting adults want to marry let them.

(pssst, AndrewB is banned account DocterMoist/Door and he is a C grade troll. You probably shouldn't bother talking to him)

also thanks fpot. suddenly it all makes sense. i'm out!

I am not against gay marriage. I don't care what gays do but I do think the institution of marriage should be protected.

Becuase people want to know that they are engaging in a solemn undertaking between two people who love each and respect each other. I don't want people marrying a dog or tree or anime body pillow.

Becuase people want to know that they are engaging in a solemn undertaking between two people who love each and respect each other. I don't want people marrying a dog or tree or anime body pillow.

So you're comparing gay couples who want to get married to marrying a dog, tree or anime body pillow...

Just to be clear on my stance: I'm for equality.

Ideally I would like to see equality through the removal of the concept of marriage, but since the world is not ready I will settle for equality through making marriage available to everyone.

I've been with my partner for 10.5 years and we're not married.

infi logic: Homosexuals aren't people.

infi logic: Homosexuals aren't people.

Infi logic:
Person:


Homosexual:


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I always love watching gay marriage debates/discussion. Pro Gay Marriage people always get to emotional and worked up when someone dares disagree with them.

As opposed to vice-versa.

People who allowed to marry have 'something'.

People who are not allowed to marry have 'nothing'.

Those who prevent people who are not allowed to marry from marrying are called "bigots".

Those who promote equality are called "good people".

Unfortunately for you, AndrewB, you're a bigot.

infi is special alright.

fpot you call next to everyone "door"

Not sure what your obsession is with that person. Get a new line.

Gender re-assignment is not a mental illness.

Yeh, and i'm the reincarnation of Jesus Christ.

Thinking you are another gender is completely normal and sane? Some people, seriously..........

Gender identity disorder is a mental illness.

What is your obsession with making new accounts and trying to outdo yourself on every one on how retarded you are? That's the real question. The only people who have been called Door lately is your AndrewB, Schultzy, mrdamn and DocterMoist accounts. You are a really sad and presumably lonely fuck. I'd feel sorry for you if you weren't such a dick.

Becuase people want to know that they are engaging in a solemn undertaking between two people who love each and respect each other. I don't want people marrying a dog or tree or anime body pillow.

So allowing two people who both can give consent to a legal binding contract pave the way to legal binding contracts between one person who can give consent vs. inanimate objects and animals who can't give consent.

Perfect logic.

This whole argument is based on the idea that desire = love = therefore must be legal.

Some will argue that sexual orientation is something you're born with.
Some say you can be born an animal lover.

So, by legalising same sex marriage,

it can then be legal to marry an animal, but you're missing the point.

If you're straight, and you desire the opposite sex, that makes you the same as a gay person desiring the same sex.

So what makes your desire to love another of the opposite sex more important and politically and religiously correct?

Answer me that.

FUCK OFF I said i don't care what gays do and they can get married for all I care, they are people too. stop being retarded.

I'v seen fpot respond to your posts with this line alot "Not only do you think it is okay for people to be tortured based on the colour of their skin"

I think he must be a troll, you made your point pretty clear, he ignored it and kept trolling. best to ignore him.

edit: for that matter, how can it be normal for someone to think they are another gender, when they are clearly not, but it is not ok for them to think they are jesus christ or an alien rock star from mars.

Excellent point. I made a near same remark in another thread. If i claimed to be batman, i would be deemed insane, but if i claim to be another gender i am aided in my endeavor to become another gender usually with government assistance.

It's about enabling, that's for sure. Also you'll find that people who go to these clinics actually have to have therapy first before the operations. If it's normal and not a mental illness, why would that be required?

haha infi, Door is cheerleading you. Those alarm bells must surely be deafening.

Here's a mental illness you should be well aware of Door: narcissistic personality disorder.

edit: ahhh I see you want to do both. You want to reword and pretend you were taken out of context. Ever notice how you do that a lot infi?

I still can't believe we're debating this bullshit.

homos are people too

CAN I BE ANY CLEARER I SUPPORT GAY MARRIAGE I JUST DONT MAKE A BIG SONG AND DANCE ABOUT IT, AND GO ON FESTIVAL FLOATS N SHIT

Hey yeah man I hear you. And those transgender people, they're the same as people who think they are jesus and aliens and stuff right? Would you like to have a little meltdown and backpedal about that one too?

Anyway, ignoring C grade trolls, let's move on to A grade morons.

i giggled.

Yeah man, posting a few words on a forum about how I feel brown people shouldn't be tortured, how gay people should be allowed to marry and pointing out that comparing gay people getting married to animals getting married is really dumb, and posting about how people who are transgendered deserve to receive treatment in the form of gender reassignment surgery due to the overwhelming evidence that it is a real condition and requires treatment is POLITICAL CORRECTNESS FAUX WANNABE SOCIAL HIPSTER GONE MAD.

anyaways back in the real world people are worrying about employment and how they pay their kids school fees.

This reminds me of that time a bigot used this as a smoke screen to hide their bigoted opinions and try to divert attention away from the fact that they're an utter piece of shit.

It's called empathy. I know bigots and hardcore libertarians such as yourself see it as a negative trait and hate how it lowers your internet edgy score on the stormfront forums but perhaps you should you know, get some?

People who are transgendered will suffer from real emotional problems with their condition. Their quality of life would be shit going through life in the body of a male but with a female identity and vice versa. If the state doesn't pay for it, how do they get better?

Even if your little fantasy idea of it being a mental illness is true, the state should pay for that treatment as well. I wonder what the cost of intensive psychological care for an extended period of time is versus the surgery?

You're right there. Living every minute of your life in a male body yet identifying with yourself as a female and dealing with the surely trivial social and emotional impacts of that is utterly insignificant

Sounds like you know from experience.

Sounds like you know from experience.

If your aim is to make each post more bigoted than the previous then it's working.

Stupid old story book.

I support gay marriage because the idea supports the fact that Politics should not base decisions on religion, nor should religious opinion form any weighting over anyone else's opinion on these decisions. The fact that I have to hear about 'the church of *** hates this and therefore it's a bad idea (or caused an 'outcry')' is bs.

Religious people are ok with marrying inter-species?

I don't see why everyone thinks the opposition to gay marriage is because of religion. 95% of people i know who don't support gay marriage aren't religious.

Why shouldn't polygamy be allowed? What's wrong with it? Let me guess, more biblical arguments?

Yeah I don't understand that either. There is nothing stopping anyone from having multiple consenting partners at the same time, yet marrying them all is outlawed. Apparently there is a community of 40,000 fundamentalist Mormons in America still living the dream.

Gender identity disorder is a mental illness.

How about you keep your idiotic diagnoses to yourself until you have some sort of qualification in psychology. You are messing with established medical science that you clearly know next to nothing about.

Here is my uneducated opinion - this all boils down to one thing: people are naturally afraid of the unknown. Homosexuals, transgender, hermaphrodites and AIDS in blood transfusions. I'm sure that if fundamentally religious people (or just your run-of-the-mill bigots) actually got to know some homosexuals, people who they could trust and count as friends, their fears would be alleviated. I have three gay buddies, one I have known since primary school, one since high school and one I got to know more recently. I also had a lesbian friend for a while and have been to gay nightclubs on a number of occasions (with my pals and some fine ladies) and they are some of the friendliest people I have ever met.

I'll add that I have also had an excellent doctor for the last ten years who happens to be gay. He is the best medical professional I've ever been to and I trust his judgement completely.

At the moment he is wearing a "commitment ring".

remains unanswered AndrewB while you bicker with fpot. care to enlighten us yet?

I'v already explained my stance mate. Refer back to previous posts.

I'll add that I have also had an excellent doctor for the last ten years who happens to be gay. He is the best medical professional I've ever been to and I trust his judgement completely.

I don't think anyone has mentioned anything about gay doctors being untrustworthy or crap.

why did everyone skip over my post when it's the most accurate

why did everyone skip over my post when it's the most accurate

Marriage is a man-made pile of nothing.

I don't see why everyone thinks the opposition to gay marriage is because of religion. 95% of people i know who don't support gay marriage aren't religious.

Rumours about the rising power of the Christian Right within the LNP were given extra fuel today when Queensland PM Campbell Newman announced that he will amend the states’s new laws on civil partnerships to exclude same-sex couples. He did so in a demonstration of "good faith" to Christian churches.

now fuck off

I don't see why everyone thinks the opposition to gay marriage is because of religion. 95% of people i know who don't support gay marriage aren't religious.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking_(fallacy)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy

Literally, a fallacy is "an error in reasoning that renders an argument logically invalid".

Troll is bad but I enjoy it:

Marriage is a union.
Synonyms: blend, merger, unity, oneness;
It's like when positive and negative unite.
See how positives and negatives attract to create unison? Well that's what marriage is like. Man and women, etc.

marriage |ˈmarij|
ORIGIN Middle English : from Old French mariage, from marier ‘marry.’

marry |ˈmarē|
ORIGIN late Middle English : variant of Mary

Mary |ˈme(ə)rē|
Mary, mother of Jesus; known as the (Blessed) Virgin Mary, or St. Mary, or Our Lady. According to the Gospels, she was a virgin betrothed to Joseph and conceived Jesus by the power of the Holy Spirit. She has been venerated by Catholic and Orthodox Churches from earliest Christian times.

In other words, the word marriage was derived from Mary who was a virgin and conceived Jesus with the help of god and therefore marriage is actually the union of God and Women.

Yes this makes sense.

An argument I like to bring up is if we're going to bend to a minority for gay marriage, why don't we bend to a much larger minority of muslims who would like to have multiple wives/husbands? That's one law that I would support.

It's simply editing the other part of marriage : ONE man and ONE woman to the exclusion of all others.

If a small percentage of homosexual people can get the man and woman changed to person, surely the muslim community can get the other part changed. That's the good think about muslims, they don't try and impose their beliefs on the countries they reside in. They just live happily.

Well I agree, let's add multiple wives and husbands. I have no problem with it. It's just some silly religious virtue that prohibits it.

But I reckon western families making use of that particular new piece of legislation would be pretty rare. Now Door because of how you thought that little magnet pic was actually a decent attempt at a troll, I am going to assume you have an almost autistic knowledge of how human relationships actually work. I will try to explain it in a context that even you won't have a problem understanding.

Let's say you are posting with your new alt here carter and that signifies the single life. Now you have to be careful not to bring up old forum drama that carter wouldn't know about, you'd have to remember to stay consistent with the lies you have told, all pretty easy stuff for someone like you. But having just carter isn't enough. You feel kind of alone and exposed so you need someone to lean on. Due to your high levels of social retardation, the only solution is to create another account to agree with and share the occasional circlejerk. A buddy to ask you to post pics and stuff so your image spam doesn't seem so obnoxious. Let's call this person 'Shlater'. Now all of a sudden things become more complicated. You have to make sure to reset your router everytime you post so your IP addresses are different (remember when you got caught out on that one?), you have to remember even _more_ lies. Basically at the expense of some companionship, life becomes a lot more difficult. In my experience and I am sure many others have felt the same way, one companion is enough. It only takes one person who you share some values with, to share some understanding and to enrich your life.

So bring on multiple wives and husbands, same sex, different sex who cares. People who want to use it can and it doesn't affect anyone else.

What I don't understand is, even if you're against gay marriage - why would you spend any energy trying to stop it? You won't even know it's happening.

You won't know it's happening until your dinner party guests start to announce their spouse has special dietary requirements of either PAL or CHUM.

That already happens when teq brings his wife over for dinner parties, though.

Such a fgt greazy