Here's one for Faceman.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/story/2012/06/15/tech-mysterious-object-baltic-sea.html

A crew of Swedish divers scavenging the Baltic Sea for treasures has shared new images of their baffling discovery — a large disc-shaped object settled on the seabed.

In a press release that sounds as if it were inspired by the underwater sci-fi film The Abyss, the unidentified object is described as circular, with rounded sides and rugged edges.

"The object had an egg-shaped hole leading into it from the top, as an opening," the release said, drawing comparisons from several media outlets to the fictional Millenium Falcon spacecraft featured in Star Wars.

Older article: http://edition.cnn.com/2012/01/28/world/europe/swedish-shipwreck-hunters/index.html

Deep down on the bottom of the Baltic Sea, Swedish treasure hunters think they have made the find of a lifetime.

The problem is, they're not exactly sure what it is they've uncovered.

Out searching for shipwrecks at a secret location between Sweden and Finland, the deep-sea salvage company Ocean Explorer captured an incredible image more than 80 meters below the water's surface.

At first glance, team leader and commercial diver Peter Lindberg joked that his crew had just discovered an unidentified flying object, or UFO.

Damnit, beaten by Raven.

USO, Unidentified Submerged Object.

its a bit big to be a Nazi saucer.
the scrape marks nearby are interesting.

there is a lot of underwater UFO reports.
not surprising considering 70% of the earth surface is water.

One of the most significant cases reported by Sanderson is the oft-repeated incident involving a U.S. carrier group involved in the "Springboard" military exercises in the waters off Puerto Rico in March 1963. The Cuban Missile Crisis had occurred only a few months earlier and the Cold War between the superpowers was at its peak, so the need to prepare for a future "battle of the Atlantic" was paramount. At least four submarines equipped with the latest electronics of the time formed part of the exercises (including the SSN-585 Skipjack); in the skies overhead, Grumman S-2 antisubmarine aircraft practiced shadowing and detecting the "enemy".

But something unusual occurred: one of the subs broke away from the exercise to pursue what it considered to be "an unknown object." The fleet was unsure if the object was a decoy meant to form part of the exercise or not, but there was clearly something strange about it--the alleged decoy was moving at the unheard-of speed of 150 knots an hour. At the time, the maximum velocity for a submersible stood at 45 knots.

Communications were hindered by the fact that each of the warships was trying to advise the command ship--the carrier Wasp (CVN-18)--of the strange event. Thirteen captains would enter the incident in their ships' logs.

Sanderson notes that the technicians aboard the vessels informed COMLANT that the object not only traveled at the aforementioned speed but that it was also propelled by a single screw. Was this the real-life counterpart of Jules Verne's Nautilus?

The intruder made its presence felt for four long days, plunging to tremendous depths (27,000 feet); despite the Navy's best efforts in ascertaining its identity, the strange object vanished after 96 hours and was never seen again...

some more stories:
http://www.theufochronicles.com/2012/03/ships-and-saucers-ufos-at-sea.html

And the true story is revealed in the last spoken sentence of the video on that news story. "Peter Lindberg is even preparing a submarine for tourists and private investors for a closer look at what really lies beneath".

having not read the article, i was just thinking to myself, if they don't know what it is, what's stopping them from bringing it up? its not like other large objects haven't been recovered before... but now i see they make more money by peddling shit than actually trying to find out

Aircraft carriers are 333m long and weigh about 100,000 tonnes.

it's probably just a giant rock dumped there by a glacier hundreds of years ago.

Yeah the glacier thing seems to be the leading theory.

The Abyss, such an incredibad movie.

what? the abyss is a great movie.

Maybe sponge bob had enough of his pine apple and built a new pad.

Will be interesting to see what comes of this although we still know so little about the depths of the ocean I would be surprised if it was "alien" to this plant and of a structure that wasn't naturally occurring.

Damnit, beaten by Raven.

Woah, I can tell you had a seriously bad day :/

So much wrong in this thread, The Abyss was great

Yeah people assume that everything out there that might be capable of travell to have a similar life span etc. Some insects live out their whole life in a day, it's not too hard to imagine a being out there that might live for thousands of years for their normal life span.
That and stasis chambers etc

Another article: http://www.thelocal.se/41494/20120617/

They still need enough energy/food to last them 1000s of years.

In other news - Rock found under water, are we really alone in the universe? Find out more at 7.

Travelling through space at a significant portion of c your chances of death are almost at 1. All you need to do is hit a tiny piece of space dust and due to your velocity whatever craft you are in will be obliterated. The slower you go the more energy/food you will have to carry. It may as well be impossible.

Because fpot says so? Fuck off, because we can't defeat these challenges now doesn't make them insurmountable.

Every single time some arseclown in history has said 'that's impossible' we did it anyway.

You also ignored unmanned interstellar travel for some reason. If we had the motivation we could probably put a probe into Alpha Centauri within a century or two using best-of-now tech.

^

I'm pretty sure he's trolling actually, but at least its an interesting point to discuss.

I'm pretty sure he's trolling actually

Always assume fuckpot is trolling.

I foresee space travel being a large number of high-speed jumps as opposed to one high-speed movement from one position to another. Also eventually we will probably have some sort of shield that will obliterate any minor debris before it touches the hull.

Scientific and technological advancement requires thinking outside of the box.

Lol @ physicist fpot

Abyss is also a good movie. Lastly, I hope Shaw has something to eat on her journey in the alien spacecraft to the engineers planet.

aliens huh! they unravel the mysteries of the universe, beat the time/space problems of inter-stellar/galactic travel, they have ftl or maybe wormholes... but then they crash into the ocean n sink.

Maybe :)

Personally I think that at the moment we are bound by our understanding of the universe which is incomplete.

Consider a very long piece of string that follows a long winding path and ends up almost back where it starts from. A creature living in the string unaware of anything outside the string would find it a very, very hard task to travel from end to end. The string is annoying to move through and as far as the people living inside it are concerned you can't get around the basic fact that travelling the string is a long process.

The Universe imo is a lot like that. Our understanding of spacetime is as elementary (and a subset of the whole story) the same way that Newtonian physics is a primitive subset of relativity, focused on the local reference frame on Earth.

We need to find the way outside the string. We can only do that by studying the string and trying to overcome its limits and better understand the 'real' universe beyond it.

Speculation!

IMO instant travel between any two points in spacetime is more than possible, from the frame of reference of the traveller. This means that you could wormhole, warp or whatever a very long distance, but doing so propels you forward in time from the frame of reference of origin and destination relative to the distance travelled, also neatly avoiding causation problems.

If you're following, that means that time travel is possible, just only forward :) Which kinda explains the Fermi paradox as well - all the interstellar travellers are deep in the future, by the very nature of their travel!

Would kind of make meeting up for Christmas dicey, though.

Hitting objects the size of dust at incredibly high speeds isn't some problem that I came up with on my own. It is a real problem that physicists have come up with that I have read about and am just mentioning here.

Also eventually we will probably have some sort of shield that will obliterate any minor debris before it touches the hull.

See things like this are just dumb. I know it is cool to imagine things but when you are realistically talking about whether something is possible or not you have to take things like physics and thermodynamics into account.

Oh and hey, carter, another troll account. I wonder who you could be?

Every single time some arseclown in history has said 'that's impossible' we did it anyway.

Everytime? I don't think so. How about the thing we have previously discussed, like travelling at c. How about creating a perpetual motion machine? How about creating matter? How about creating a 100% rigid and unbreakable material? There are plenty of things that are impossible.

What do you mean when you say you can simulate gravity Hog? Does that mean you can use it to alter your course?

Oh I thought he meant simulate gravity to affect the movement of the ship.

Everytime? I don't think so. How about the thing we have previously discussed, like travelling at c. How about creating a perpetual motion machine? How about creating matter? How about creating a 100% rigid and unbreakable material? There are plenty of things that are impossible.

Yawn, your troll is showing. You know what I meant and I'm not wasting more time on your sillies.

So Door are you literally going to start up a new account every few weeks, have a little meltdown, abandon the account, and then start another one? Because damn man, it's getting old.

I guess I am trolling a little, but these interstellar travel threads aren't really good for QGL because you just get a big pile of speculative hyperbole like you have posted. Get a somethingawful account or read some of those threads on reddit where people who actually know what they are talking about discuss it. The only solutions we can speculate to solve the problems with such long distance travel are 'magical sc-fi things that aren't even close to being invented yet' so it is just as boring as fuck.

Actually it's the opposite. People smarter than us think that it is impossible and that is who I am parroting here.

edit: 'impossible' without 'magical sci-fi thing that isn't even close to being invented yet' just to be clear.

Because unmanned space travel is boring as fuck :P How does unmanned space travel help _me_ get to the Andromeda galaxy... huh?

I guess with robots you'd still run into the energy problem. How do you power the ship for course corrections and stuff. How do you transmit instructions to the robot and receive feedback when it is light years away. Things like that.

^ lol

Except we've been to the bottom of Challenger Deep in a manned submersible much bigger than a rock :P

. I have played with a 400ms ping before but 4 light years might be pushing it for realistic usability.

At least you'd be long dead and decayed before you even heard the cries of "BS you shot me!" :)

Another link for FaceMan: http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/06/18/swedish-scientists-reveal-findings-deep-sea-alien-hunt/

I guess they could be from a lot closer than we otherwise might have thought.

It turns out that Jupiters moon Europa holds more than twice the amount of water found on the whole of earth.

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap120524.html

More info:

http://english.ntdtv.com/ntdtv_en/news_europe/2012-06-20/mysterious-baltic-sea-object-raises-more-questions-.html

There are visible formations on top of the object, which are set at a 90 degree angle and look like passageways or walls, as well as something that looks like it could be a staircase.
“We looked at our dive computer, the deep sea diver computer, and it said minus one degree that’s pretty cold for a diver it should really be impossible to have that cold water it actually turns into ice at zero degrees but that could be explained by the movement of the water.”

Also, some strange phenomenon occurred…

A main objective of the dive was to film the object, and yet the camera stopped working when they approached the object.

[Stefan Hogerborn, Professional Diver]:
“Why isn’t anything working, anything electric out there and the satellite phone as well stopped working when we were above the object and then we got away about 200 meters and it turned on again and when we got back over the object it didn’t work so that’s kind of strange as well

LOL Khel WTF that just made my Monday morning!

Maybe it's the space jokey's ship.

Dont you even mention the space jockey in here!!! the engineers and their work are only for the elite.

if it's got stairs, it sounds like something that was built thousands of years ago by egyptians lol. for example, if we can make a sphynx, then I don't see why we can't make a round oval shape thingy. sif aliens used stairs. regarding the cameras going out, not too sure but there's probably some logical explanation for it.

Heh just reading through this thread and saw this comment

So Door are you literally going to start up a new account every few weeks, have a little meltdown, abandon the account, and then start another one? Because damn man, it's getting old.

I should become a psychic. Wonder how long till he is back this time?

I reckon these guys are pretty smart. Finding physical anomalies, creating some mystery about them and then charging people money to see a UFO is a pretty original idea. They might be stepping close to fraud territory with their cameras stop working close to the thing claims though.

XaartaX made one didn't he?