I got some 2D gold class tickets for tomorrow night, fuck this 3D shit.

I didn't realise it had already started though, thought it didn't start till tomorrow! If I'd realised that I would have gone tonight

Without actually spoiling anything big, can you definitively say whether its part of the Aliens universe? Like a prequel or whatever? Cos Ridley Scott doesn't seem capable of giving a straight answer to that question.

3D advanced screenings tonight, just got back from carindale.

I'll be waiting for your thoughts Khel.

I despise 3D but it had some good moments in this film. I would love if it was 2D and 3D could just pop out at certain moments. 2 pairs of glasses at one times sucks balls.(normal pair and 3D pair)

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Going to see it Friday nite in gold class 2D. Been reading mostly negative things about it over at IMDB but that could be just fanboys getting their pantys in a bunch.

I wanted to read the reviews on imdb but 80% of them completely lay out everything that happens in the movie so I quickly stopped. Too much complaining. One guy said that it was as bad as Gladiator... I quite liked that movie. I think it's one of those movies you just have to watch yourself.

:-(

Uh oh... here... I was hoping... nnnnnnooooo

Maybe the batman movie will save the year....

trog you really make me not want to waste my money on tickets for it at all... I recently watched all the Alien movies, and have been watching old school sci-fi in hopes I'd get some good new stuff... Guess not.

Bummer, I might wait until DVD/bluray release.

Spoiler:
So its not a prequel to Alien then? That ship isn't the ship out of Alien? I guess knowing that I can go in not expecting it to be an Alien-related movie and should enjoy it more

This movie fucking sucks. Don't waste your time. I was seriously ready to walk out after; only grim morbid curiosity to see if there was any redeeming parts at all kept me in my seat. But there aren't. It sucks right until the last few minutes.

If you want to avoid extreme disappointment, light spoilers: Spoiler:don't go in expecting anything from the Alien universe at all. Think of it just like a separate sci-fi/horror movie and you might find it entertaining. That wouldn't have done it for me; it was just so goddamn boring with these useless plain completely unmemorable characters. Half the scenes made me think Ridley was wishing he'd made Aliens - driving in a fucking APC into a humid room while someone watches them on their suit cameras from command? Didn't we do that already?

Very disappointed.

edit: To be fair: Spoiler:I am a big Alien fanboy and assumed, wrongly, there would be some semblance of Alien-stuff given that it was set in the Alien universe - Weyland Yutani, droids, space ships, scary stuff. If you go in with a different mindset it might be vaguely enjoyable, though I still don't see how.

Dude, Ridley Scott has stated that there will be two more movies before it links up with the Alien movie. How you can say there was no semblance of Alien stuff if you are a fan of the alien movies is astounding.

Spoiler:
The whole race you see in this movie that they called engineers appears in the aliens movie, especially in the directors cut, as well as the spaceship that crashes. Leads me to believe you haven't seen the aliens movies recently??

I am a little worried but I will keep an open mind. I will be waiting for the bluray release to watch it though, stuff the cinema.

I have become a fan of the ALIEN and ALIENS in recent times. The first one is the best I think, 2nd one is cool because it was a little different, They went for a "combat movie" feel to it but still kept the alien feel to it. The movies afterwards are not good, watchable but no where near as good.

If this is the first of 3 it may be too soon to judge, Next one might provide some more clarity and that good old ALIEN feel.

So far I've only heard reviews (and bad ones) of this movie from fans of the Alien movies, and people who were expecting another Alien movie. Most of those bad reviews seem to whinge on the basis that it's not an Alien movie.

At this point I'd be keen to see a review from someone who's never seen an Alien movie.

Dude, Ridley Scott has stated that there will be two more movies before it links up with the Alien movie. How you can say there was no semblance of Alien stuff if you are a fan of the alien movies is astounding.

I meant Spoiler:
literal Alien stuff - i.e, actual aliens. The Aliens-wannabes that they had were boring and uninspired and lacked ANY of the awesome Giger-ness that make the originals so terrifying. Instead we get super-snake and mega-squid.
. There is heaps of shit from the "Alien universe", like the stuff I mentioned above.

The first 1/3 to 1/2 of the the movie feels like a crappy remix of Alien + Aliens. There's so many dumb choices made for the purpose of plot devices - and poor ones at that - that it was just boring.

I didn't know there were two other movies but that doesn't excuse what was, for me, a completely unenjoyable experience.

I think Ridley, and the film people, made it pretty clear this wasn't an Alien prequel or sequel, just a universe cannon film. So if the reason everyone thinks its shit is because it's not specifically about Alien or Aliens, I think that's a bit lame.

I was aware it wasn't technically a prequel. It was just a BAD MOVIE.

That said... it is obviously a prequel. I won't explain why but a few people have touched on it above. If there's two more movies its prequel-ness makes much more sense to me, especially given how the movie ends.

I almost couldn't sleep last night because all I could think about were all the things that pissed me off. Unfortunately I didn't keep a list but here are a few things off the top of my head:
Spoiler:
- really? you're going to land on a new world and go into a mysterious constructed place and then take off your mask? Such a contrived plot device to make them vulnerable to whatever is in there.
- Old Weyland looked stupid. Why not get an actual old person, instead of Guy Pierce in a crappy rubber mask?!
- Why, at the end, did they bother making her run out of oxygen? She's alone, she's just survived major surgery and all this other horrible shit - I think the drama is high enough already without having to suddenly make those suits completely fucking useless (suits that were previously fine to let people camp out overnight in the cave WHILST SIMULTANEOUSLY SMOKING IN THEM).
- All the characters were flat and uninteresting, with the possible exception of David, the robot. Maybe I have over the top empathy to androids. But did anyone give a SHIT about any of the other characters? I can't even remember any of their names, except David and Vickers. Compare that to the handful of characters in Alien and how bad it was watching them slowly get picked off one by one, or the marines that you came to know and love in the fucking 10 minute introduction scene while they awoke from cold freeze.
- The response "because I choose to believe it is so" when asked the reasonable question "what makes you think these people made us and thus, why the fuck are we here?" was stupid. The ENTIRE premise of the trip is founded on a star map and some pictures of big people and the rest of it seems like wild-ass assumptions that are never explained or fully grounded.
- By the way, why is the alien DNA exactly the same as humans but they are like twice as tall as us?
- OK seriously I get that you always have to have characters running away from something. But in the last scene when Vickers and whatsherface were running from the giant rolling-like-a-wheel spaceship, they both ran in a straight line directly in the path of its roll. Then eventually whatsherface fell over and rolled literally 3 feet sideways and was safe. Vickers fell and sat there and watched it crush her.
- The ship has no weapons? But they have handheld weapons, and people there for "security". They flew a billion miles towards a probably alien civilization and figured that the only fight they were likely to get into was a minor firefight with weapons, that as it turned out couldn't even stop one crazed infested humanoid?
- Speaking of that one crazed infested humanoid. Probably the highlight of the movie was that guy folded up at the door of the ramp. Except then he turned into a zombie. That would have been a billion times scarier if he'd just been left there dead.
- Why in the fuck was the autodoc configured to only work on men? It was in a lifeboat where the intended passenger was a woman.
- Why in the fuck does the autodoc not have a proper anesthetic? WORST FUTURE DEVICE EVER.
- I was probably rolling my eyes so might have missed something here, but didn't she just get sutures from the autodoc after her MAJOR STOMACH SURGERY? After 30 seconds of running around her guts would have been bleeding and flapping open all over the place.
- Why were all these aliens connected to their host by a placenta and umbilical cord? The entire Alien universe is based on these things being these horrible parasites, right? The humans that host them are NOT pregnant. They're infested.

I know the obvious answer to all these is "just shut the fuck up and enjoy the movie" but they just make the whole thing seem silly and inconsistent and I can't relax and enjoy anything when there is all this lame stuff happening.

I certainly wasn't expecting it to be Alien/Aliens, but I just found it to be too close to both of those movies in a lot of parts without capturing any of the good stuff of either of them. I am happy to concede a lot of this might just be fanboy rage but really I just thought it was a poorly executed movie in general.

Before I go and read too much into trog's review I need to know one thing: how awesome did you think The Dark Knight was?

The dark knight was boring. What's that got to do with this movie?

Before I go and read too much into trog's review I need to know one thing: how awesome did you think The Dark Knight was?

It was pretty good but not fully awesome. Certainly better than 95% of the shit that I've seen in the last few years but I could still pick a few holes in it. (I love Batman AND Aliens)

How the hell do i do spoiler tags I can't remember!!

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If you want to read a review that is less foamy and frothy at the mouth that is basically what I am saying, this is a good one that pretty much matches what I think: "In Space No One Can Hear PROMETHEUS Disappoint".

holy shit, just checked IMDB and it has currently got a rating of 7.9/10. The way you lot are carrying on I thought it'd be lucky if it got a 6/10.

I almost couldn't sleep last night because all I could think about were all the things that pissed me off.

Pretty much the only thing that I read in this thread, and amused me immensely.

I dunno, The Avengers was pretty freaking awesome. Do you really think it will top that?

The Avengers was flashy entertainment and really really good but The Dark Knight (and Dark Knight Rises hopefully) is Goodfellas and The Godfather levels of awesome. If The Dark Knight Rises lives up to its hype it will make Nolan's Batman trilogy the best trilogy ever.

The Dark Knight is runner-up MOTD for me. There Will Be Blood just has it beat.

I just discovered that one of the writers of Prometheus was a writer on Lost. So that explains a few things. If you like the sort of bullshit that they do in Lost you might find this more entertaining.

Reading positive reviews on my lunch break to find out why people liked it, but I can't reconcile any of their positive points with the movie I saw, with the exception of David being the best character, which I mentioned above.

I presume best trilogy apart from back to the future, am I right?

you saw the second and third moofies in this series right?

Lord of the Rings

hhahaha, you are hi-larious

godfather is only two movies?..

just because ffc fucked up and made a shit third movie doesnt save the first two.

hard to see how nolen could possibly fuck up this third one but I would say bourne trilogy also comes pretty close to perfection. for its genre of course.

What do you mean doesn't save the first two? Godfather and Godfather Part II were utterly brilliant. Godfather Part III was just so meh. I knew it was shit the second it started of with a voiceover. I mean a voiceover? In a Godfather movie? :(

I have only seen the first two Bourne movies. They were good but there was nothing particularly memorable about them imo.

Everyone in this thread has terrible taste in movies because they are different from mine.

Fuck this, I got gold class tickets for Tuesday. I should of stayed away from this thread (regardless that people are using spoiler tags). Now I have doubt until next Tuesday :(

oh just that you can't claim it's not a trilogy just because number 3 sucks. first two are ok.. I guess :p

Hell must have frozen over as I agree with fpot. haha

Spoiler:

1. Why did Weyland bother faking his own death to even show up at the end? Completely pointless to me.

2.Why was Vickers even in the movie, her character brought nothing to the story apart from telling us Weyland was her father.

3. Why was David never questioned about any of his motives? Is it because he was made to be more human so everyone else was like "We'll just ignore what he's doing beccause he's being a human"

4. David roofied holloway then holloway roots Shaw. Shaw becomes pregnant while Holloway starts to turn. David wasn't suprised at either of these incidents, it's like he expected it. Did he know something?

5.When Shaw is on the table and medics are in radioactive suits she fights them then gets c-sec. She re-appears and no ones asks why all the blood and staples and no wearing radioactive suits.

6.David studied many languages in the hope of communicating with the engineers. But how did he know exactly what to say or even to press to activate doors and the crappy static holograms. Symbols would have changed quiet a bit over time, bloody good guess by a droid to be spot on first go.

7.How did the facehugger at the end become the size it was?

8. Captain and co-pilots were more useless characters. "Oh hi, we'll just sit in the background entire movie then at the last moment we'll sacrifice ourselves to save humanity."

Damo - hell yes to your points 7 and 8. I forgot about them.

There Will Be Blood is MOTY noob.

Apparently there was 21 minutes of footage cut from the theatical release presumably being saved for a bluray director's cut. Question is can an extra 21 minutes of footage pull the story together?

I would agree with most of the question raised above, couple things I picked up on:

Spoiler:
How do Milburn and Fifeild manage to get lost when they decided to head back to the ship when the others had no trouble in their 15 minute mad rush and the mapping devices had all mapped out all the tunnels that lead them up to that point


Spoiler:
When the ship comes crashing back into the planet towards the end of the movie, surely the shear impact of that thing hitting the ground would have knocked both Vickers and Shaw on their asses. I'm being nitpicky there though, shaw do a single roll to avoid being squashed was much more ridiculous given the size of that ship.


It was a visually stunning movie and dare I say if you've got the money splash and a couple free hours, it's worth seeing just for the visuals on the big screen. The scene's in space looked pretty rad in IMAX.

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tspec - your first point reminded me of another one: Spoiler:
Why, when they go back in looking for those two deadshit characters that got stuck in the thing, do they have to run in there yelling "HEY WHERE R U?" They have everyone's position on their fancy pants 3d mapping system - you see several times that they have that tracking in real time. Btw that sort of system sure would have come in handy on LV426.

Spoiler:
Why would they experiement with an alien (humanoid) head completely unprotected? Seems more logical to have them at least suited up or working remotely with robotic arms with the head contained in a sealed room. It was also far fetched they were able to get that kind of response out of it just by jolting an electrical current into it after it being dead for 2000 years regardless of how well it was perserved. Though the head was contained in a helmet, it would have still been exposed from being decapitated.

Spoiler:
True, no contaigens in their database though you could argue they're dealing with a completely unknown elements their scans may not detect :) but yeah, that's probably getting a bit nitpicky again as I would normally lookover that type of thing in any other movie.

It's not fairing too badly on Rotten Tomatoes, 75% - http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/prometheus_2012/

If his past films are anything to go by, usually his directors cuts are a lot better as the studio makes him cut out stuff he doesn't want to cut.

Trog is very bad at movies.

From Khel:Spoiler:
"David says theres other ships, which implies there is also other facilities. "

We know immediately that there are other ships, because they land on LVsomethingsomethingsometihng, right - i.e., not LV426, the scene of the other movies.

"Look, Aliens rreference!" moment for the fans, just wasn't necessary, because that wasn't what the movie was about."

I thought there were way more Aliens references elsewhere. I was already catatonic by that point so that scene (which was clearly just trying to link the biowarfare stuff we'd already seen with the eventual thing that Aliens ended up evolving into)

Trog is very bad at movies.

I have high expectations when people are getting paid millions of dollars to write scripts. I'm sick of hundreds of millions of dollars going into these things and billions of dollars getting made out of them when there are so many obvious criticisms that can be made about how thoroughly terrible they are.

It's basically a series of bad decisions that you have to suspend your disbelief about long enough to forget the last one happened and thus create a series of events that seem to tie together logically. I no longer have the capacity to do that unfortunately.

I agree with Khel that it was visually awesome. I heard an interview w/ Guy Pierce on JJJ where he said apparently Ridley still goes old school and assembles all the sets; there was very little CG stuff in that area. I thought all that stuff looked fantastic, though I would have liked to see some more Giger (e.g., those weapon canisters - could they have been any more boring? Totally out of place with the rest of the space jockey stuff.)

I more or less agree with Khel. Most of what's being complained about here seems really nit-picky to me, and didn't distract me at all from the film. Yeah, it did cross my mind that the big face-hugger thing seemed to get absurdly huge without any apparent food/whatever to make it grow. And yeah, the two guys who got lost did act like cliché movie fodder just for the sake of tension, but whatever, it's a movie, and I don't feel it really detracted from anything in the end. It was a cool sci-fi action film with some obvious nods to the Alien universe, and it left me wanting to know more.

Went and saw this tonight. It's not a bad flick. It's certainly not an Alien film but is in the canonical Alien universe and so can't avoid comparisons with the franchise. It doesn't hold a candle to the original two Alien movies, but nowhere near as bad as some of the posts above would make it seem. I think it fares well against Alien 3 or any of the later ones, but that's not saying much really.
Sure, the screenplay is quite bad and nonsensical in places, but the visuals are superb and many of the actors do a fine job considering the script they were handed, particularly Michael Fassbender.

The main problem is the writing, and seriously way, way too many characters to give a shit about. They should have fired Lindelhof, got someone else to do a rewrite to tidy up all the bullshit plot holes and ran with the result. I doubt 21 minutes of footage on the cutting room floor could save the story.

I walked out after the movie thinking WTF did i just watch ?? i havent been this disappointed in a movie since Dark Knight..... 3/ 10 from me crap plot and useless characters.

How was TDK disappointing?

I can certainly imagine people being able to watch it and enjoy it if they can suspend their disbelief at stupid plot elements and sheer terribleness. If you're capable of ignoring those things, you'll probably have a blast. It's visually spectacular and Charlize looks great in a jumpsuit.

I enjoyed the movie but I too have been left thinking WTF? Somethings I can only explain by assuming? so these are all assumptions that make sense to me.

Spoiler:
It was explained that the MedLab was installed for bypass surgery, obviously with Weyland on board it was for him as it when Shaw sees it for the first time, queen mega bitch says 'Its expensive and only 12 in the world blah blah blah', and she can obviously run after having her stomach ripped out because she was doped up on meds and I'd imagine medicine 80 odd years from now would be quite advanced!.

As for the Alien inside of her having a umbilical cord remember she fell pregnant with it when Holloway fucked her when he was infected, hence why it was more of a child birth instead of the traditional parasite in the Alien movies.

Where did the Professor go who had the broken hand, I can't recall seeing him again? The Zombie dude was the rock man who had his face burnt off with acid, I'll assume the parasite took control of his brain perhaps hence he seemed to have similar movement to a Alien/Xenomorph the way he was climbing up vehicles and banging heads in.

I don't understand why the engineers all ran into the egg chamber during the holofootage, why run in there when it's what kills them? and what were they running for? and why was there another 'Tomb' that the guy doctor (holloway) found with a picture of an Alien Queen on the front?

The final scene when Shaw was in the lifeboat taking off her helmet and she can hear the banging in the Med Bay felt just like Alien all over again. When Ripley had to suck the Alien out into Space.

Trog, the majority of your comments weren't about the story being terrible or whatever, half of them were just nitpicking at the smallest of things. I agree with you somewhat about the characters being a bit flat. Also, half of the things you nitpicked at could be easily explained away if you weren't already so enraged about the whole movie.

my comments are EXACTLY about the story being terrible! That is what most of the movie critics on RT are picking apart too.

I can appreciate that they seem small, but for me its the small things that matter, especially when there's just so many of them. Even people who enjoy the movie can admit that it has a lot of really dumb things that the characters do.

It creates this massive feeling of inconsistency that makes me feel like they were just throwing ideas at a dartboard to decide what should happen as the plot progressed.

If you're looking for gaping plot holes, watch The Legend of Chun Li. This movie just has some things added purely for suspense and left other things unexplained. It's not a "walk out of a film" bad. Even Aliens has it's inconsistency.

Sick of using spoiler tags, if people are reading this far into the thread and haven't seen the movie then they're stupid!

I don't understand why the engineers all ran into the egg chamber during the holofootage, why run in there when it's what kills them? and what were they running for? and why was there another 'Tomb' that the guy doctor (holloway) found with a picture of an Alien Queen on the front?

Yeah, that struck me as a bit weird, I figured they were probably infected though, and running in there to seal themselves in before they turned or spawned xenomorphs or whatever, cos it looked like that last dude collapsed as he got to the door so I figured he collapsed from being infected.

There were definitely inconsistencies and stupid character moments, I guess I was just able to overlook them cos they didn't really bother me. Like how the scientists dudes somehow got lost trying to find their way out, or how the biologist guy kept trying to play with the angry alien snake that was obviously aggressive towards him, or how everyone just took it so calmly in their stride when Shaw turns up at the end covered in blood and slime with a stapled c-section wound, but tbh they didn't bother me more than a few seconds while I thought "ok, thats a bit far fetched", then I was back into the movie.

Also, why was the biologist guy so quick to leave when they found the body of the alien? Wasn't he like a xeno-biologist or something fancy? Wouldn't that be like the most amazing discovery he could ever hope to find? I would have thought he would have been super excited to examine an alien corpse, but he was all "Fuck this I'm outta here with the crazy rock guy who until 5 minutes ago hated my guts".

I mean, it was stuff like that which definitely kept it from being an all-time classic for me, but I still thought even despite that stuff it was still pretty good, above average for sure, just not a classic.

In fact, the biggest inconcistency that almost spoiled the movie for me was one that wasn't actually true. Because I couldn't remember what the designation of the planet in Aliens was, I just assumed Prometheus was happening on the same planet, and I was thinking "this is bullshit, are they expecting me to believe when the people find the ship in Alien and Aliens they didn't see the huge open hangar in the ground, or the wreckage of the Prometheus scattered all around?", and it wasn't till I got out of the movie that my brother told me it was a different planet.

This is a leaked early plot synopsis for what was supposedly Prometheus, but then a few months later was changed to not resemble it at all.

I desperately want to see a movie made of the below synopsis, as it sounds awesome:

Earth. Year 2058. Archaeological digs in Africa reveal alien artifacts that humans were genetically engineered by a advanced alien race (space jockeys). These “Alien Gods� also terraformed Earth in order to make it habitable for their human creations. Amongst finds are coordinates to the Alien God’s home-world, to Paradise. Months later the Weyland Corp launch the spaceship PROMETHEUS and his crew, into deep space to make first contact. Thanks to faster than light travel a few years later the PROMETHEUS enters the Zeta Riticuli star system. Humans are greeted by their makers, then transported further into space to a scary yet fascinating world. The Alien Gods are proud of their “children�, their first creation to reach such levels of intelligence.

As a reward they share bits of their astonishing bio-based technologies with the humans. But for one crew member of the Prometheus it’s not enough. In a treacherous act he steals the “bio-source code� to Terraforming, a technology at the origin of all Gods’ power, that could make humans equal to the gods. The Alien Gods may be scientists but are also ruthless conquerors, destroyers of worlds who will not accept humans as equals. They unleash on the escaping human crew their favorite bio-weapon, a creature used to “clean up� worlds before colonization. But something goes wrong in the process and humans manage to turn the bio-weapon against their makers. Giving birth to a smarter, nastier, bigger breed of gut eating creatures. Creatures that will be the demise of Paradise. What’s left of the Prometheus crew manages to escape the doomed planet.

On their trail a survivor Alien God in very familiar ship with one ultimate mission. Bring the wrath of the Gods to Earth.

Time to apply the test: Spook what did you think of TDK?

sorry, missed this.

i only just saw it recently.

i thought it was excellent, surprisingly. (in that i wasnt expecting it to be so awesome)

I didn't think it was too bad. Character building was shit, plot was pretty cool, overall didn't leave the the cinema feeling sour or anything.

it's pretty hard to top bad ass dialogue like this.

Trog
It's not an 'Aliens' movie (read, xenomorph that features in 'Alien' and then goes on to appear in Aliens, Alien 3 and Resurrection)
Sure there are some 'tarded plot points (completely agree with some of the 'discovery' scenes, and there wasn't enough shown before they just attempted to 'kick-start' that 'space jockey's head, maybe that's some of the 21 minutes of footage on the floor (coz it sure seems a prime example of a scene that would be better fleshed out in a directors cut (ESPECIALLY if any of Ridley's other DCs are anything to go by)))

I was already catatonic by that point...

You should go and see the movie again, and take in a camera... not to bootleg the movie, but to capture some of the rage expressed in this thread, in facial expressions... I wanna see THAT as a Picture-in-picture option on the Blu-Ray release!

I have high expectations when people are getting paid millions of dollars to write scripts. I'm sick of hundreds of millions of dollars going into these things and billions of dollars getting made out of them when there are so many obvious criticisms that can be made about how thoroughly terrible they are.

I wasn't aware that you invested in Hollywood movies, how much did you invest in this?
(I see your point, don't get me wrong, but you make out like it's your dosh they're using. I think a LOT of rubbish is flowing (and now being horrendously re-made and re-made and re-made) from hollywood, but this movie just isn't that rubbish.)

...though I would have liked to see some more Giger (e.g., those weapon canisters - could they have been any more boring? Totally out of place with the rest of the space jockey stuff.)

This got a mate of mine really out of place (he read that Ridley pretty much 'shelved' H.R. Giger's work) and on one hand I agree, but the plot ISN'T to do with the xenomorphs. (I know Giger had a hand in the design of the SJ's too, but I'm just sayin)
As for the weapon canisters, I think they worked from a viewer's perspective (e.g. I KNEW when they walked into the room full of thousands of the canisters that it was essentially a 'magazine' loaded to the hilt with munitions; simply by the resemblance they had to current munitions.


Damo
Your 5th point (Lead character, Post surgery, no-one even flinches) was one GLARING omission I noticed, everyone just glanced at this 5ft woman in 'bandage loin cloth and bra combo' covered in blood and was like 'not a single fuck was given'


Dahzel:

I doubt 21 minutes of footage on the cutting room floor could save the story.

Have you seen any of the other Alien franchise movies and then gone on to see the 'Directors cut' versions?
Sure it's not going to turn the plot on it's head, but I think you'd be surprised what losing 21 minutes of footage does to a movie (much less one directed by Ridley Scott).


Khel:
I saw the same movie you did, and certainly not the one Trog went and saw, and I too thought the Alien busting out of the Space Jockey was well retarded and totally "Look, Aliens refference!"

Like how the scientists dudes somehow got lost trying to find their way out

Does no-one remember the scene where the Geologist talks about 'making money' or remember how 'driven' other characters from the movies are? (think Burke in Aliens for example)
Everyone has their own agenda.

I don't know (and right now CBF'd scrolling up to find it) but I was a little dissappoint about the token 'evil android' tho perhaps this was BEST defined as far as the Alien movies are concerned. David as mentioned early in the film seems to be 'the first of his kind' and in Weylands words 'as close to a son' as he'll have. Even David makes reference to being 'put to work' by Weyland later in the movie. There's also little/no tribute put to Isaac Asimov's 'Three Laws' (not until Aliens from memory, I seem to recall Bishop mentioning it) in this movie.
I guess it's resolved once Weyland dies and they leave the planet, but that bugged me whilst watching it.


Raven
I sincerely hope that leaked plot synopsis is related to the 'story arc' for the planned trilogy. (I didn't realise that Prometheus was going to be another trilogy, I figured Ridley would leave it at a single film. I HOPE That Ridley Scott is the director for the next two (and hope they both go ahead, tho they'd wanna get a move on, Ridley isn't getting any younger))


Slaps_Forehead:
I LOVE the dialogue from Aliens (and fuckin love that film) but you can't really relate any of the rest of the Aliens franchise to the levels of bad-assery that goes with being, as James Cameron put it, 'The Viet-Nam war, in space'


As for the 'Post Credits': there was no extra scenes, but at the end of the credits a large Weyland Yutani logo scrolls onto screen and announces that the 'Previous Footage is the property of Weyland Corp' and then goes on to point out the date of "10.11.12" which I assume to mean the 11th of October this year, so keep an eye out for some news on their website I guess.

And why the hell don't they ever program their androids with some idea of empathy or ethics or morals in the Aliens universe? I guess by the time they got to Bishop they had it right, but fuck me they spent a long time making sociopathic androids that have no problems killing people before they got there.

Anyone who enjoys this is brain dead.

Hehe, some of that reads like very wanker-ish bullshit, but I warmed to it when I got to

Yeah. The reason the Engineers don't like us any more is that they made us a Space Jesus, and we broke him

Its an interesting read but I think hes completely on the wrong track about a number of things.

And why the hell don't they ever program their androids with some idea of empathy or ethics or morals in the Aliens universe? I guess by the time they got to Bishop they had it right, but fuck me they spent a long time making sociopathic androids that have no problems killing people before they got there.

So the other thing I didn't get about David is that his motivations are never really quite clear, even after you find out ole Weyland is still alive. He's just like a wild card doing random shit all over the place.

Like... what exactly is his motivation for "poisoning" Dr Blandy McForgettable in the first place? Obviously the high level answer is "to see what the black goop does", but is that all there is to it? His "secret mission" as far as I can tell was to find a live alien and basically just make sure Weyland had the opportunity to talk to him to ask him the all important "mommy, where did I come from?" question, and with the exception of the Weyland but, it's not like that mission was exactly at cross purposes to, you know, the entire real point of the mission. Did I miss something there?

He's just like a wild card doing random shit all over the place.

Yeah, that was a bit random, like when they go inside the dome thing and hes just wandering around pressing buttons, and the chick is like "No don't open the door" so he opens the door with an exaggerated "Oh, WHOOPS, I totally didn't mean to do that, I guess I just slipped and figured out how to open the alien door after you told me not to".

It seemed at times so blatantly clear that he didn't care about any of the people there and what happened to them, I did wonder a few times why they didn't pick that up and get a bit wary of him.

That trailer makes me wonder why we're arguing why this is so bad, when all I can think of watching it is 'WHY THE FUCK DID CAMERON RUIN AVATAR WITH SUCH SIMPLE BULLSHIT'.

Fuckin 'Unobtainium'.... KILL ME NOW.

*Sends IVY_MiKe into a Trog-rage-quits-on-Prometheus bent*

Like... what exactly is his motivation for "poisoning" Dr Blandy McForgettable in the first place?

Yeah that scene was a little painful. His finger was stuck out the entire time, so it's obvious he's got the goo still on it and he's trying to roofie the doctor

It seemed like David waited until the very last sec to decide to infect him. Because he just asked the dude what would he do to find the answers he was looking for and the guy said something like "anything and everything". So David just prolly figured well he's willing to do anything so I'll infect him and then he'll get his answers. Plus, it was more fun seeing his finger waiting to go into the glass instead of him having already done it offscreen.

Good movie but there are too many questions left unanswered so...
Hell I didnt even realise this was an aliens prequel till someone told me after the fact... Fml.

The black substance in this movie made no sense whatsoever. It goes from being a genetic solvent/life starter, to being a mutator (mutating those worms into face huggers), to being a zombie agent, to being a weird virus thingy that gets shaw pregnant and finially to being a fucking biological weapon.

Makes no sense and is my biggest gripe of the movie.

I think the writers were starcraft fans. The engineers are the Xel'Naga, the Aliens are the Zerg and the humans are the Protoss. In the game the Xel'Nana create the Protoss, their first creation. After a while they are unhappy with them and go on to create a new life, the Aliens/Zerg. They turn on them and result in their fall.

Here's an interesting take on things:
http://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html

Good read, tied things together in a very loose way. Still doesn't explain the black stuff. If the black stuff moldes itself to thoughts then why use it as a weapon? Why would it mutate worms into face huggers? It's as if the black goo is a deus ex machina, and the authors use it to solve script problems. We need these worms to mutate BLACK STUFF! We need to make this guy go made BLACK STUFF.

Fuck Lost and all its writers.

I watched this last night in Gold Class and I loved every second of it! Was visually epic and I let my self get immersed in it, was awesome!

i reckon it looks sort of like the avatar setting but sort of the opposite with nothing there on some moon/planet

Lol NdGT is awesome

The black substance in this movie made no sense whatsoever. It goes from being a genetic solvent/life starter, to being a mutator (mutating those worms into face huggers), to being a zombie agent, to being a weird virus thingy that gets shaw pregnant and finially to being a fucking biological weapon.

Yeh, I wasn't sure if we were assuming the black stuff later in the movie was the same as what the guy in the first scene drank. TBH I didn't even realise that guy was on Earth (he was on Earth, right?) until later in the movie when they talk about how they seeded the Earth with their DNA.

That's why I'm wondering if that black stuff WAS actually the same as the bioweapon stuff. Because if they were trying to seed the earth with their DNA, one would think that drinking a horrible bioweapon that causes epic mutation would probably not be the best way to go about that.

Its the beginning of a trilogy, so I wouldn't expect to get all the answers in the first movie

yeh, but who knew it was part of a trilogy? It's not at all obvious that it is. I certainly didn't know until someone pointed it out in this thread. It's not like Star Wars or the Matrix where you watch the first movie and are stuck with a billion unanswered questions and inconsistent sequences of events. I shouldn't have to come out of a movie and go "ok that made no sense, I guess I'll just have to wait for movie #2 to explain it". You might recall the 2nd Matrix movie was exactly like that, especially towards the end (I still have massive nerd rage at how the Matrix series ended up after the first movie).

Also, haha @ NdgT.

I rewatched Aliens on Saturday night just to make sure that my memory of it was accurate and it is a great movie, and it still is. It stands the test of time in almost all areas - there's a few visual effects that look a bit lame but the story is awesome and generally consistent, and holy fuck ALL the characters are interesting. ALL OF THEM!

Even the ones you don't see! While watching I was reminded of the site Weirzbowski Hunters - one of the first sites I ever saw on the Internet, I think, back in my early uni days. It's a site dedicated to finding frames of the marine Weirzbowski, who barely gets any screen time.

What does it say about a movie which is full of so many other awesome, unforgettable characters that people still have the attention span to focus on a guy whose name is only mentioned like twice and it's when he's getting killed or captured?!@#!@

Well it might not have been obvious its a trilogy, but surely it was obvious they were setting it up for a sequel with the whole "We're going to their home planet now" and flying off into the sunset. I didn't know it was planned as a trilogy till I got home either, but it was still obvious to me there was plans for at least a sequel.

I think it still stands alone fine by itself though, it doesn't have to answer everything and wrap up neatly to still be enjoyable, sometimes a bit of ambiguity keeps it feeling mysterious and keeps you thinking about it, and promotes discussion on internet forums!

Like Rev said its not really destined to become a classic, but I certainly wouldn't lump it in with the shite that was Matrix Reloaded/Revolutions.

Screw you guys! I'd been successfully repressing the memories of Reloaded & Revolutions for years until this thread.

Yeah saw just this and I'll say that it is 'okay' not great and not exactly 'bad either just ... meh.

Good:

* Effects are tops
* The acting is ok
* Even though there is some silly stuff going on it's never boring.


Bad:

* The dialogue is pretty bland there will be no famous quotes from this movie.
* The main characters are interesting but the secondary characters are just generic random crew members.
* Could someone tell Noomi Rapace to pick an accent and stick to it.
* The Flute was stupid. They could have had an Alien voice command that David could have mimicked instead.
* The Captain and his mates seemed overly keen to sacrafice themselves. Why not program the ship ram the Alien spaceship and jump in the escape pod?
* I thought the whole bit with Shaw operating on herself was just over the top. Especially how she spent the rest of the movie running and jumping around after she's just had an squid the size of a football cut out of her.
* The bit with Weyland at the end was highly derivative of 2001. It's best to stick to the one franchise.
* The final scene was incredibly lame. The alien looked like a cartoon. That scene took a big shit on the franchise.

Overall it was better than most of crap shovelled up as sci-fi recently but there is no escaping the fact that the dialogue was bland, the characterisation was poor and the general plot was not up to the standard many would expect from a High Grade Production helmed by Ridley Scott. He didn't do a 'Lucas' but the movie could have been classic with a bit more focus on the simple stuff.

6 out of 10

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The Captain and his mates seemed overly keen to sacrafice themselves.

Yeah, this bit that stuck out badly for me too. I don't think there was an absolutely clear convincing indication that the aliens were planning to wipe out Earth or whether it was just a wild assumption from the protagonist, but whatever, I'll go with it.

If it was just the captain dude that decided 'fuck it, there no autopilot but Shaw's convinced me the Earth is in danger and I'm all that stands between it and them so lets ram this sucker' I'd probably be ok with it.
When it's three dudes that seem to be in complete agreement that they all need to die in order to stop the ship taking off is where it starts to go silly. They should have folded those multiple character's lines and actions into one character - why did those other two guys even need to exist?

WRONG. It was David, the basketball and the bicycle piloting the ship.

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Haha, BillyH found this: http://digitaldigging.net/prometheus-an-archaeological-perspective/ - its a sort of pseudo-review in the form of a play-by-play of the movie. It's fucking hilarious.

So they land the SBS on the planet. Moon. Whatever. After hitting the cloud layer the captain asks what the atmosphere is like. Fortunately for everyone on board, the reply isn’t “astoundingly fucking corrosive.� They could have performed a spectrographic analysis from a safe distance, but whatever. I’m surprised he asked at all. He was probably in a hurry to see if it was snowing, what with it being Christmas and everything.

Once again I find myself wondering if people saw the same movie I did, because the one I saw was nothing like Event Horizon.

Spoiler:
It was a movie where you have a crew on a spaceship (with a black captain, I might add), and one by one they get killed off after finding a ship/planet that appears to have no life forms aboard. In the end the ship blows up, and to top it all off, the movie was more or less shit.


That pretty much summarises Event Horizon, doesn't it?
To fill in the gaps, see the plotline of Alien.

Has the person who wrote that ever actually watched any sci-fi ever? Complaining about faster than light travel in sci-fi is like complaining that theres too many explosions in an action movie.

Kinda the same as those picking at the most minor details about the film. I'm unsure if they've ever seen sci-fi or even comprehend it.

I tried to stay away from this thread before seeing it, by god I wish I didn't. Movie sucked, hard!

Kinda the same as those picking at the most minor details about the film. I'm unsure if they've ever seen sci-fi or even comprehend it.

You're sorta missing the point of sci-fi. It's SCIENCE fiction. The universe created in a sci-fi world needs to have some measure of internal consistency - otherwise it is fantasy.

There is no problem having FTL travel in a movie, but if it's not dealt with in a movie in a way that makes sense then it is a dumb script error.

I fully admit to being completely obsessive about this sort of thing because I read a lot and 99.9% of what I read is science fiction.

(There is a whole class of these sorts of errors - commonly called continuity errors. Wikipedia says on "plot errors":

A plot error, or a plot hole as it's commonly known, reflects a failure in the consistency of the created fictional world.

That is what you are calling "picking at minor details of the film". )

I'm happy some people can forgive and ignore these mistakes in the production - mistakes which almost everyone is conceding took place. But there are those of us that hold production to higher standards, to the point where it makes a film much harder (or in this case, impossible) to enjoy.

Anyway, it's not even the outright errors that are really irritating. They're just a part of it.

I saw this in gold class last night and loved it. Like the guy who reviews movies on jjj said... Its the kind of movie that you walk away from asking so many questions that make it a great movie. That's exactly what is going on in this thread regardless if you love it or hate it.

I never got this attitude. I'm watching a movie for a story. If I have to go away and make up the rest of the story in my head, I think the story teller failed. (I realise you are possibly saying that this is just an awesome setup for a sequel, but again I refer to Star Wars which didn't have this problem - the feeling at the end was "I can't wait to see what happens next!" not "what the fuck just happened? I hope they have another movie to explain everything." See: Matrix Part 2)

If you can't understand what's going on in the film then there's something wrong

I understand what's happening, I just have very little idea why

ISWYDT.

I found myself going, 'WTF ASIF' wayyyy to often.

Scientists taking their helmet off in an alien environment. Nobody with even an ounce self preservation and a basic understanding of biology would do that. Regardless of a wrist computer saying it is OK based on the knowledge of Earth pathogens..

How could a bunch of people on a ship possibly never have met each other prior to going into cyrostasis?

Those 2 co-pilots are so eager to sacrifice themselves based on the ramblings of a madwomen, who is currently under the influence of some pretty hardcore pain killers. I'm pretty sure most people would at least be skeptical and pretty anxious of the situation, not laughing merrily all the way to their death.

The big blue alien, having identical human DNA (wtf in itself), somehow manages to breath the atmosphere that would kill a human. As he appears in the life pod near the end, ok sure maybe he held his breath.

Did not ONE person writing/directing the movie think that 2mins is an awfully short time to be running the entire distance from the crashed alien ship to the life pod, uphill, disregarding a pretty traumatizing bout of abdominal surgery?

How does a small boulder resists the crushing weight of a intergalactic space ship?

Why the fuck would 2 presumably highly intelligent people, 1 with an extremely high sense of self-preservation, run ALONG the length of the rolling ship when clearly running sideways was a superior option that even a guinea pig would take?

No one gives a shit that a women covered in blood with staples across her stomach came stumbling into a room. Meanwhile zombies and all sorts of shit are killing people. Again, basic self-preservation would make you ask why she was covered in blood, because you know it could be after you next. The android is the only entity that makes sense not to ask.

The least human crew member the show was also the by far the most believable character.

Why did these people risk their life rushing back to the ship during the storm, very closely escaping death, do so when the storm was going to pass in a few hours? Surely would be (as scientists no less) much more inclined to stay in the ruins study the alien stuff. Or if you MUST leave the ruins, everyone get in the APC and park it next to the wall.. It has been standing for 2000 years at least, so it would be safe to assume the storm wouldn't be knocking down the wall.

Why didn't they send the mapping units in first? Again no self preservation what-so-ever.

I can only assume the male main scientist archeologist guy was very, very bipolar. As he went from exuberant, extreme risk taking to alcoholic depressed man in the space of hours. Just the sort of person you want in small enclosed spaces many billions of light years in deep space.

Why did Wayland even bother taking the 2 archeologists anyway. The Android had, by far, greater knowledge of the situation then these 2. In fact, those 2 archeologists bring nothing to the expedition that the android couldn't cover. 1 of them being a massive risk taking manic depressive.

Why was Wayland's daughter even on board? Just so he could take a dump on her?

The list could go on for a very long time.

The characters were incredibly unbelievable and not very memorable. I only remember 2 names, Wayland and David. The story made you make far too many assumptions to make even the most shambling of story lines work.


It is a pitty, the story could have been so much better if they didn't bow down to the Hollywood business. I'm sure many of the criticisms of the movie where not from the script writers or the directors, but born from making a movie that has a big opening day and call sell a computer game and other random things.


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Nah, they're not good questions though like "Was Deckard a replicant the whole time or not?"

Wouldn't that be a bad question though if you have to ask is he or isn't he? Just like the stuff you're getting upset about with Prometheus.

The PA comic goes better with their comment in today's post:

If I tell you that it is bad, which is something I genuinely believe, it will inoculate you against it; no matter how bad it might be, it won’t be as bad as I said it was, and your moviegoing experience will be improved. I’m only too happy to provide this service, as someone should be able to enjoy this movie, even if it’s only as a result of these quantum-cinematic abstractions. Gabriel and I tried to figure it out most of the flight home, only to realize that even if it we did figure it out, what would we have then? Sometimes you get to The Emerald City, like, all the way there, but it is only a Sizzler someone has painted green.

Seriously if you're not reading the PA commentary, you're missing out.

oops sorry, I tried to link to the exact article but i can't figure out the direct link to "today's", so it's just http://www.penny-arcade.com/ for the one associated with the comic, and http://penny-arcade.com/2012/06/11 for the one that I got that quote from. It sounds like the PA guy feels exactly how I do:

People get way crazier about movies than they do about videogames, any day of the week; it usually isn’t wise to insert coin into these kinds of conversations. But, good God! This movie makes me want to fight someone, and I know exactly who.

Even Avatar, which drove me to frothy-mouthed paroxysms, didn't piss me off as much as this movie. I can't figure out if I'm more pissed at the movie, or more pissed that there are people out there that actually enjoyed it. I don't want people to do things and not enjoy them, but I can't help but feel depressed that the bar has been set so, so low for movies that something this clearly flawed can actually make people come away feeling anything other than like they just dropped their money into a vat of Alien acid

I loved this movie. And I loved Alien. I think if you are going into this movie with certain mindset it'll really upset you. I on the other hand on the day was fairly relaxed and ready to watch something entertaining etc so maybe that's why I enjoyed it. I didn't going thinking it's going to be another Alien, or anything really that related to Alien franchise and came away thoroughly enjoyed it.

Clearly there are plenty of flaws if you logically pulling at it - not many movies that can stand up to the scrutiny of the reality of actual scientific experiment and space exploration (maybe 2001 Space Odyssey is the only one that may live up to this). I agreed with most of the flaws that people picked out but IMO the movie was very good.

what else is there?

- Interesting topic matter in regards to the whole creation storyline and its parallels with humans creating robots; but as an avid sci-fi reader it probably seems less interesting to you than your average Joe.

- Mystery, albeit poorly implemented in a Lost-style manner that goes nowhere.

Its enjoyable enough as a movie. I will go back and watch Alien every few years. Will I ever watch this again? Maybe once on Blu-Ray to see the director's cut, but its clearly a looong way from being a classic which I guess is ultimately what many of us hoped for.

hah, I hadn't even considered until now, but how come the creationists aren't all up in arms over this movie?
But yes, I liked the David parallels, and what Weyland says in the TED astroturf - "We are the gods now".
I've always said this and have done so since I was young - that really, we as humans are just as capable of creating life through scientific processes, and so therefore aren't we too, by definition, gods?

I still think that original synopsis for the movie would make an awesome movie, and I hope it's actually being considered by a studio.

Sure there are some annoying bits but overall as a sci-fi movie it's breaking new ground and opened up a whole plethora of questions and ideas.

I'm not sure what you mean by breaking new ground, the questions and ideas brought up in Prometheus are hardly original. While I did enjoy the movie I think it's pretty laughable to say that it's breaking new ground.

And as for David, best quote from the movie: "Doesn't everyone want their parents dead?"

Breaking new ground?

Seriously though, what was the most recent "new"(ish) idea for a movie that hasn't, ultimately, been rehashed over and over before (and I don't care about obscure B-grade, foreign versions of the same thing - if noone's actually seen it, noone cares): Limitless, Inception... The Matrix...?
There really isn't a great deal else.

Yeah I wouldn't go so far as to claimed Prometheus breaks any new ground. The concept that earth was seeded by alien or other being has been around since the 50's. As for the playing god bit well that's been around forever.

It's a good sci-fi romp as far as I'm concern, trying to make it any more than that is IMO, what makes it shit for some people. It's not exactly in the same league as say Inception in terms of "woah" and makes you think and mind fuckery but it's still cool. Certainly better than MIB3 LOLz.

And Khel, just coz you've enjoyed some movies over the past few years doesn't mean they are worthy of anything or that Prometheus wasn't breaking new ground. Nice leap of logic there.

You were saying its one of the only compelling sci-fi movies to come out in the past 15 years, I was saying theres plenty of compelling sci-fi movies that I've enjoyed even in the past couple of years, so your statement is clearly bullshit.

I agree with Opec, don't make it more than it is. It was an enjoyable movie with an interesting premise and fantastic visuals, its not a ground-breaking masterpiece of cinema, its just (at most) an enjoyable way to spend a couple of hours. Theres really nothing to flesh out, any questions that arise from the film are either the result of poor script-writing or obvious hooks for a sequel.

Like Daz was saying, its not like Bladerunner where you can have an interesting discussion about whether Deckard was a replicant or not, or Inception where you can think about whether he was in a dream the whole time or not. I didn't come out of the movie with my mind buzzing with the possibilities and questions like I did with either of those movies, I just came out thinking "Well, guess theres going to be a sequel then".

What did David say to the engineer to make him rip his head off?

I can't remember what he said or if he said anything at all that was worth noting. It looked like he was in awe of the engi but the engi saw him as some abomination and killed him. Anyone remember it differently?

I can't remember what he said or if he said anything at all that was worth noting.

If I recall he spoke to the Engineer in their language which really pissed him off to the point of ripping his head off.

Ah, that's right. It's been a while since I've seen the film. Forgot he did that. lol

Well, for a start, thats not the mural people are talking about when they say "the mural". The mural was the paintings on the roof that started decaying when they let oxygen in, that thing there was a sculpted wall at the back of the chamber. Personally I don't see any great questions or answers there, just some cool visual hooks that are all part of the movie's style and a Xenomorph looking thing to get people excited with a link to the Aliens movies.

Theres just not enough information in the movie to start a discussion, any discussion about answers to questions would just be pure fantasy invented by fans, for that matter, most of the questions I've seen posed seem to be pure fantasy. The movie just wasn't that deep.

- The planet at the start, is that Earth? If not - is it implying the Engineers seeded life on earth?

Ridley Scott himself said in an interview that it doesn't matter if that planet is Earth or where it is or what it is, its just meant to be an introduction to the engineer dudes.

- Why are there cave paintings pointing to their military base planet.

Because the script writers didn't think it through properly.

- What does the mural in the goo chamber mean?

It means the movie has cool visuals.

- Is the Deacon (alien at the end of the film) a prototype xenomorph or is it a different species?

Its blatant pandering to the Aliens fans who wanted the movie to tie in and probably wont ever show up again since they've left that planet now.

- Why were the Engineers coming to Earth 2000 years ago? Does that have something to do with Jesus christ?

To kill everyone. Why? Obvious hook for a sequel since those are the exact questions the main character yells at the engineer and then jets off at the end to find answers to.

- How was the Deacon created via sexual intercourse between humans and then the engineer? was this part of their plan?

More problems with the script.

- Why was the Engineer escaping at the end heading for earth?

To finish killing everyone, as to why, see previous answer about a sequel.

Breaking new ground?

Seriously though, what was the most recent "new"(ish) idea for a movie that hasn't, ultimately, been rehashed over and over before (and I don't care about obscure B-grade, foreign versions of the same thing - if noone's actually seen it, noone cares): Limitless, Inception... The Matrix...?
There really isn't a great deal else.

District 9?

watch it today enjoyed it. watched alien and aliens on the weekend love them.

didnt answer alot but still was a pretty good movie

He even said in an interview "Everything done in the film was done with purpose"

That may be true, unfortunatly that 'purpose' was to get as much box office $'s as possible.

Can you give me a better purpose then that for the scene with the giant rolling crashing spaceship and 2 highly intelligent characters running along the length of it? Yer 'everything done with purpose' I'm sure.

Besides, even if somehow it all does magically make sense due to the next movie he still failed pretty bad with this movie from most peoples accounts.

The problem I'm trying to say is because the move had So Many 'WTF? That is stupid!' moments any part that has a 'purpose' you can't really debate because you don't know if it is yet another WTF that is stupid moment or not. Therefor movie = fail.

That's a pretty awesome mural.

Wow, you really are a spastic Khel.

The space jockey in Alien was created by Gieger which had it's own history and biology prior to the making of the film. It's not something that was 'hey that will look cool, lets make it look like that'. It was scupltured and painting by Gieger, which even caused budget issues but they didn't compromise the design as it was what the universe was about.

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It's not a fantasy world I've built, it was built by Giger.. Ridley wanted to make a story about an alien - which is what he did. Giger created the creatures from the ground up. Alien wasn't about the space jockey so of course they didn't really incorporate it's background story into the movie and how it fit in. It was meant to be a horror film that just happened to be science fiction. I'm glad they didn't go into it to much in the movie coz it left a strong sense of the unknown. It did raise a lot of questions though which are explained a bit in Gigers books. Don't sue me coz you're ignorant.

I'll break it down for ya all.

Giger created the Alien universe back in the 60 and 70s. A lot of it's biology was documented.



There is a facehugger and engineer - from 1977. This shit isn't being made up as they are going on along, it's his entire creation.

Fast foward to 2012 and Ridley got these writers from lost to pen some of the script - which as you can say has a lot of nonsensical bits in it.

That doesn't detract from the overall theme of what is happening.

Basically if Ridley got Giger to pen the script, what we would have is the real deal. However, I don't think Hollywood would let anything like that near the big screen. Hence the waterdown Lost script writers appealing to the masses and doing it badly.

It was designed by Giger, visually, and thats where his involvement starts and ends. The design for the Alien was based on one of his paintings, Necronomicon IV, but its not like he wrote the story for everything that became part of the Alien story. He had absolutely nothing to do with writing the script and the story behind Alien, just the visual designs of the Xenomorph, the ship and the "Space Jockey". And he had absolutely nothing at all to do with Prometheus. In fact, the script for Alien was already done by the time they brought Giger on board. They were trying to decide what the Alien looked like, and one of the script writers had seen Giger's Necronomicon IV painting and was like "It should look like that!"

So yes, anything beyond that is fantasy, or trying to jam a square peg in a round hole. Giger may have written all this fiction about the creatures he designed, but its not part of the official canon. I think you're getting events mixed up, sure, Giger may have written all this fiction about his creations, but its not his fiction that they wanted for the Alien movie, they just saw his art and said "We want our aliens to look like that", doesn't mean any of the supplementary materials he may have developed along with the paintings they saw has any relation to the film.

Imagine one big circle that represents Giger's fiction and the world he created, and another big circle which represents the Alien franchise, and a small area in the middle where they intersect and inside that little sliver is the visual design of the Xenomorph, the Space Jockey, and the ship. Thats all thats shared.

You guys probably were writing all of that stuff out before my last post, so I'm just gonna leave it at that

You're missing the point. Swap my comment from 'alien' universe and 'xenomorph' if that explains it better.

He created the biology of the xenomorph, engineers, eggs, face huggers, jockey ship, the whole deal which is more important than the story about ripley fighting an 'alien'. Just coz they wanted a script about an 'alien' and used Giger to create the visuals doesn't mean anything other than they found the right artist impression that would make the audience take note. To me, it's more about the biomechanics of his universe that really turned alien into what it is and what it does is open up a lot of avenues.

Wait till the second film when they go to the engineers planet - you'll see what I'm talking about. It's going to be a dark nasty place with penises and vaginas and general weird shit from Gigers 'universe'. It's much more intriguing than say than your usual star wars / star trek shite.

The lack of Giger stuff really did piss me off aswell. Infact what I believe is going to happen in the 2nd film is more a long the lines of what I thought would happen in Prometheus. I think Prometheus just sets a basic platform without too much hoo-har going on and still leave people talking about it. Sorta like slipping into it very slowly and then ramp up everything in the next two.

In regards to Gigers involvement in Prometheus - this is from Ridley:

I brought him in, I showed him what we were doing, showed him the story and he liked it a lot. So he's doing a little bit of work for me. He's been doing some murals, big murals, which we'll see in almost one of the first chambers we encounter when we land where we're gonna go.

Obviously he has nothing to do with the script at this stage but he lets his art do the talking, thats for sure.

Hopefully he would be a lot more involved in the next couple and that's when this story arc will really start to shine.

Prometheus is far from the classic I was hoping for but it's definitely keeping the dream alive.

Carter, a couple of things.

If you want to look it at the way you are saying then the whole Alien/xenomorph thing is chiefly about Oral Rape, almost always phallic in nature and directed towards men. Xenomorphs are really just oral rape monsters.

Also:

de·tract/diˈtrakt/
Verb:

Reduce or take away the worth or value of.
Deny or take away (a quality or achievement) so as to make its subject seem less impressive.

What you are saying the shitty script writing certainly did detract from the story line you are making up.

It's alright guys, I've totes watched this now!

Overall I enjoyed it, but I definitely felt the demarkation point about halfway through that the OP talks about, its basically after the main character Shaw gives herself surgery. What it does seem like though, is that there were a bunch of conversation/filler scenes that we didn't see, which is why it all seems a bit strange. E.g. No-ones surprised to see Shaw all fucked up, no-ones talking about the zombie thing that killed like 5 people, and the captain is suddenly prepared to sacrifice himself, etc.

I mean out of all the holes which various people pick out, the biggest one for me is no-one stopped and assessed that zombie dude killing half the crew scenario!

Many of the flaws discussed about black stuff etc I think are misplaced. The questions to me seem to be:

What was the black stuff? Perhaps its a biological weapon? E.g. It can weaponise any DNA, that's why they transform and create strange things.

The starfish thing obviously wasn't a face hugger but was similar. As Khel said, it's heavily indicated the engineers have multiple DNA scenarios going on, who knows what random shit they're creating?

It also seems like the creation of the xenomorph at the end is totally by accident, perhaps it evolves itself into the aliens we know in later films?

Few peeps have also already explained some of the other holes picked out.

I saw it at imax and the visuals were stunning, lots of interesting questions (If they don't turn out to be bad writing).

Plus, I think Trog should probs just stop watching movies, think your views/expectations are a bit warped - or at least don't let it make you so angry!

Edit: This is pretty funny! http://m15m.livejournal.com/23209.html

Miss Vicker's surgery machine is only built for males?

Well, noone's really supposed to see it. And noone's supposed to know that Weyland is on board. Having now pointed that out, should it not now be obvious who it was intended for?

Basically if Ridley got Giger to pen the script

Giger is an artist/set designer... not a writer. You generally want people who can actually write to pen scripts.

Giger is an artist/set designer... not a writer. You generally want people who can actually write to pen scripts.

Most visual artists are creative enough to write and someone of his caliber would easily be able to create a script or at least lay a solid foundation behind the visuals.

but to assume that someone who doesn't have a single writing credit to their name

But he has.

Do you normally just blurt out a bunch of bull crap to try and create an argument? OH..

So you've gone from 'Writing Credit' to screenplay and novels now? These books are even more of a reason for him to write a script (I suggest you read them) and then come back tell us how it's 'odd' to even think he could pen a script about HIS OWN CREATION.

Giger Alien Movie Design Giger's Alien

By: H. R. Giger

Paperback

Publisher: Morpheus Intl; (1994)

This book takes you through the filmmaking and art design process, and describes how Giger's artistic vision differed from the film's actual outcome. Giger's Alien includes everything from preliminary artwork to the exciting final creature designs.

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Species Movie Design & Species Design

By: H. R. Giger

Publisher: Morpheus International; (1995)

In the official companion book to the major motion picture, the film's artistic designer traces the development of his horrifying sets, special effects, and animatronic puppets.

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H.R. Giger's Film Design HR Giger's Film Design

By: H. R. Giger

Publisher: Morpheus Intl; (11/1/1996)

H.R. Giger is an artist of uncompromising vision who gives free range to his brilliant, often bizarre imagination. In this collection, Giger takes readers on a tour of his fantastic designs, from genesis through gestation to birth, for such films as Alien, Alien 3, and Species. 200 photos & illustrations.

Doorcarter posts a bunch of picture books

Yeah I am aware of them. Steve Waugh wrote a book about his cricketing career as well. Doesn't mean he'd be able to write a novel or screenplay about it. Books containing his art and Giger writing explanations of his art is completely different from creating a work of fiction. From what I've read about the man, he is a massive sperglord and pretty much wouldn't have the right mindset to develop a bunch of characters and give them motivations. Because you know, that is actually pretty essential to creating a fictional story. There is more to it than 'cool aliens and their wacky backstory maaaaan'.

Basically this has just been another thread of you crapping on and pretending to know what you're talking about. It's actually really funny.

If you're going to create an argument keep it thorough.

fpot said he doesn't have a single writing credit to his name.

I simply showed you 3 writing credits and now it's getting twisted back on me. These three writing credits contain his views and thoughts on the exact subject matter we're trying to discuss, but hang on.. It's odd to thinking that this guy could write a script?

Prometheus has plot holes that a 10 year old might possibly make but now I'm getting inundated with fpots drivel about Giger not being able to create a script. You're a funny (albeit sad) guy.

What's this door shit anyway? Did you get your cock stuck in one?

I edited that quote out because it seemed a little obtuse, doesn't take away the fact that you have no idea what you're talking about.

Edit: I'm glad you caught that ninja edit - just goes to show what they of person you are. Sitting there refreshing the screen waiting for my response so you can pounce on it immediately with your childish responses that have no real reason to be said other than creating an argument to fill your ego's need. I guess you mustn't get much satisfaction at home?

Stick to making chilli mate.

haha nice try failpot

TDK = Great movie, terrible choice of batman. his voice in batman suit is so ridiculous i cant take him seriously :(

Prometheus, enjoyed it. I'm a tech nerd and loved all the techy awesomeness in the ship, especially the surgery machine, that was cool. But all the gore in that part not really...

Just got back from seeing it. I found it to be enjoyable overall. I didn't care about the characters all that much but I did care enough to engage myself with the storyline. Definitely looking forward to the next one.

Door's comments about how Giger should have written the screenplay are still hilarious.

Prometheus is set in 2089 (or something I forget exactly) and Blade Runner is set in 2019.

I've never seen blade runner so idk. Should watch it, I have it but just never loaded it up.

Also, replicants don't appear to be constructed out of jelly and tubes full of milk like the androids in the Alien movies.

Execution was probably wrong with Blade runner, but i love that futuristic hong kong type feel of the movie, harrison ford is so dreamy, and that was enough for me to enjoy it.

Well, not a remake, but Ridley Scott's next project is going to be another movie set in the Bladerunner universe (sequel or prequel is anyone's guess atm)

They should get the guy from Lost to write the Bladerunner follow up, he's been doing some bang up jobs lately.

The Engineer was of the first generation, and lo, did he or someone equally bald beget humanity in the second, because he could. Humanity made the third-generation android because they could, and the android created a fourth generation of life because he had daddy issues, and then the fourth generation created a fifth generation born of the fourth generation made by the third generation using the womb of the second generation created by the first generation, and thus did it crawl out from under that starfish pancake of a facesnuggler.

And lo we were all severely screwed.

Don't want to get into a discussion of Lost but "they were all dead and in purgatory lol" wasn't the ending anyway, you should read less internets.

Also, looking at those pictures, it made me think, did anyone else feel kind ripped off by the reveal that the huge big "space jockey" thing from the chair in Alien, that everyone has been wondering around for 30 years, turns out to just be a dude in armour? I was hoping for some awesome new creature design, and all we get is big blue dudes in armour, I felt a bit shortchanged by that.