been thinking about this a bit, if I was in a situation where I couldn't run away and had to defend myself, what style of fighting would be best to defend against a guy or most likely a guy and his friends? Boxing, muay thai?
It's not really the style but the experience. One decent hit and you go down (and them likewise). As fpot said, if it's you vs many then you're stuffed pretty much. Other thing to remember if, the person you're against isn't necessarily going to fight barehanded either. Knife, gun whatever.
Imo, run/scream and/or give them your wallet. Much safer.
It's very rarely one on one, protect your head and strike for weak points, you get knocked out they'll stomp and kick you in the head, make sure you don't get knocked out and keep striking. Worked for me, well kind of.
Yeah I would of thought it's really length of experience in the style for it to be any use at all, that and just keeping it super super simple. Last thing you want to do is try a mad round house kick and fuck it up.
I've seen single dudes take out groups of dudes in fights, most people are rubbish fighters and nearly all (especially those in groups where they're not the main instigator) hesitate quite a bit.
Style choice wise I'd go straight boxing for most effectiveness in street/bar fights.
well it is pretty simple, it is all practice, how many people "fight"
those that dont know how to fight will break hands etc, make silly mistakes, even those that do have a fighting skill, or a skill based on fighting will make a mistake, basically because most fighting styles have set plays, eg, I learned how to fight with a sword and shield, net and trident, and dagger, this doesn't me I will do well in a fist fight, (however would do much better than a bareknuckle boxer in a knife fight)
I was food shopping, waiting for some fat chick to move so I could get what she was blocking from the shelf, her husband/bf yelled what are you looking at and punched me in the side of the head. I burst out laughing and he fucked off, someone psyches themselves up to punch, if that effort is laughed at it breaks them.
If that doesn't work punch them in the throat and leg it, if there are a heap of them and they keep dragging you to the floor/kicking your legs out/etc protect your head, get up as quick as possible and kick and punch as many of them as you can.
Most people forget what they are taught when in an actual fight anyway.
yeah, got to say that if that dont get the reaction they expect, most leg it
got smashed over the head with a vacuum cleaner, and because I didn't drop to the ground kocked out, or ran away or what ever he was expecting, just stood my ground (and yelled he was going to fucking get it) he ran, fast, as fast as his little druggie legs could take him (cops collected him before the ambos arrived, also, 7 stitches, and a broken hand bone (he swung the metal wand first which I grabbed off him, and took away, stupid me batted away with the back of the hand first (which collapsed my knuckle and caused the break) the grabbed)
I did this for a few, with a huge russian bouncer who was an ex-special forces. Nice guy but would have hated to have been on his bad side...systema
That or a heavy caliber revolver,so the shell casing dont full out ;)
Krav Maga hands down.
When I was going out to the valley in my youth I had many a drunk short guy try to fight me (I'm 6'5" so I guess they saw a challenge in me).
I took a few lessons in jiu jitsu and boxing before my mate said we should try krav maga.
After 3 months of classes in krav maga ( www.kmta.com.au ) your body starts to learn reactive moves for defense with an immediate attack naturally.
I fortunately have not had to use it in a long time but would recommend it to anyone looking to learn some self defense.
Also, they teach you how to defend against knives effectively.
Some of the footage I've seen of either 'discipline' in use they both look very fluent and to some extent 'natural'.
That being said, the footage I've seen might as well be as choreographed as a movie fight sequence... so not exactly a shining reference...
The best solution for street fighting (IMO) is the 'walk away' method... where you do what you can to diffuse or avoid any situation and move away [from any likely threat] as quickly and efficiently as possible.
The first thing you have do do before you even consider defending yourself after passive aggressive (hands behind back in hand-cuff position leaning forward chin-up asking questions firmly and quickly etc) confrontation attempts have failed and all other feasible pre-heated (it's awn yo) moment avenues of situation deflation have been exhausted bar running and you have decided to partake is to enable you to take complete control the rush of chemicals that virtually take over your body and give you the weird feelings that decrease agility, increase panic, reduce confidence and a whole bunch of other things that occur when chemicals released into your body with regard to the engaging of thehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fight-or-flight_response.
This takes place years before the fight and is gradually and progressively improved upon/accustomed to and more readily controlled/reduced in direct correlation to the increase in the number of successful fights you have had, thus accommodating violent environments etc. 0 listed weapons ever - not only will you be deemed a free radical (mentally-ill park dweller), you will get a free electric shock session and a holiday pass at a resort with a nice rock bed, 3 squares of playdough at a holiday resort inclusive of a vast selection of games to play with friends - (blonde, red, brown) to boot.
Your best bet is to watch the eyes and head for twitches initially after really firing up the opponent verbally to draw the first angry swipe from hi whilst maintaining proper breathing during the heated initial confrontation (especially exhale - chest puff) and split the feet get up on your toes and raise the fists to a raised and cocked forearm upper body kickboxing mantis styles and aim to divert the main event away from negatives (tables, stairs) before really bringing it. Most guys I've found who think that they can fight lead with their right (XXXX screamer wound up right hook at chin) so just instep that mofo and knock him out with an upper cut as his head is coming down and blind to his left IMO. The ones that can generally lead with the short prep left ready for a long sober tussle (before the real tussle begins in the bedroom!) If this is the case, swift ducking and weaving and a myriad of short and big blows with laybacks and blocks and a low BAC and good cardio-vascular fitness combined with nature should suffice. (I don't know the terms, nor have I ever been in a street fight - nawt a boxore yo),
Improve your sprint and hide and seek skills and you win the fight of manliness without a single blow being landed. That's what maddox does regularly after he spots my absent (sic)/'s - at least that's what it says in his girlfriend's diary anyway). I used to have my escape key bound to +back sprint before I manned up to taggs, dun worry - It's almost the same as humpty-dumpty insulting himself so badly to get the upper hand in situations that were otherwise non-violent initially that he falls off the wall instead, and leaves himself in peaces! ;)_
jc_23 is now my least favorite poster. every single opinion spouted just makes me internet angry, a difficult feat after about 15 years of desensitisation. he's not always wrong but he is always the worst poster. shine on you crazy, incomprehensible diamond.
@jesu So you're saying it's better for muscle memory style reactions for self-defence? E.g. you'll more naturally fight better with it over other styles.
I did Zen-Do-Kai for 5 years, which is a mix of Mauy-Thai and Karate. I've been looking to start up something again, was going to just do boxing but might checkout krav maga.
I felt it was possibly a better teaching style as the guys at KMTA seem to stress it's all for defense. One of the first things you learn is to deflect a swing punch and palm to the face just so you can run away.
It certainly helped muscle memory for me and co-ordination as well.
If my best mate gets cornered in a fight he can't talk his way out of, he says "Look, I'll fight you if that's what you want... but afterwards, I'm going to fuck you..." and death stares them.
NOBODY has ever taken the chance...
Also, regular boxing = win. Perhaps some form of muay thai/kickboxing if it's intense and well drilled enough. A decent boxing trainer will also focus on your cardio, which will help with that running away thing. A form of grappling would also be handy. Keep in mind though that once you get hit, all bets are off as you enter 'fight or flight' mode. Look for disciplines with simple, natural motions which can be easily improvised with.