Everyone has their opinions on gay marriage. A lot of people believe it will ruin their very existence if two men are allowed to say they love each other in more then just the emotional sense. Others believe nothing really, and have no care in the world. What it really comes down to is what do you care about more then anything.
Bob Katter and his lovely party released this campaign ad that was targeted at gay marriage rights and also Campbell Newman who has said he would support gay marriage (even though his party voted against the bill recently). Katter's brother came out and call him on his homophobic means as well as calling Bob Katter directly a homophobic.
What do you guys think? Will Katter get into power at all? Or is it just something for people to vote for if they don't want to vote LNP or Labor?
What... is this? Next thing you know, women will be allowed to vote, blacks will be considered human, and left handed people won't even be considered servants of satan... Fuck.
He is Federal. He's NOT running for State. He's just rattling a sabre. Which is all he's capable of. He has helped formed a new party, the KAP. Which has both Federal and State members. There are QLD members going for the majority of seats for the upcoming election, though unlikely to win any/many.
Aiden McLindon (a selfish prick) is head of the KAP for Queensland. He use to be very outspoken, both in the parliament and media, it's funny to see him falling in behind Katter now. Scared to say something in case Katter doesn't approve. He was a LNP member, but was kicked out, then he formed his own party, the Queensland Party, then he ditched most of the people that helped and worked hard with him to fall in line under Katters Banner. Hopefully a move which puts him to ground.
Something that doesn't seem to get mentioned is the ability to dislike something without needing to legislate it. Not everything that you don't support has to be illegal...
If homosexuality is a sin, then as long as it's consentual, the consequences can be doled out by the big man upstairs, not Bob Katter.
He is Federal. He's NOT running for State. He's just rattling a sabre. Which is all he's capable of. He has helped formed a new party, the KAP. Which has both Federal and State members. There are QLD members going for the majority of seats for the upcoming election, though unlikely to win any/many.
Anyone who puts their own name in the name of the political party they found is obviously a complete prick and massive egoist. Never heard of this guy before, wish I still hadn't.
He looks exactly like Katter would have looked like 20 years ago only fabulous.
"fabulous"?? you got me worried deadlyf, my gaydar is beeping :-)
Bob has a few local candidates and unfortunately his red neck ways are quite popular up north. With the way labour and the LNP have been running don't be surprised if his party pulls off a "Pauline" and gets a couple of seats.
Federal independent MP Bob Katter is taking time out from his day job in Canberra to campaign for his Australian party in the Queensland election.
Mr Katter said it was more important to campaign alongside candidates in his home state than be in federal parliament "in air-conditioned luxury playing party games".
Thats your Job, Mr Katter. Thats what the people of your electorate hired you to do. Get back to doing your actual job and keep your nose out of things that aren't your business.
Mr Katter said it was more important to campaign alongside candidates in his home state than be in federal parliament "in air-conditioned luxury playing party games".
No sir! Right now the imperative is to convince the electorate why all my mates shouldn't have the chance to sit around in air-conditioned luxury playing party games also!
I'm just wondering if any of you have actually watched the ad. I can't see where it actually says anything against gay marriage. It's only stating what is an apparent fact - Campbell Newman supports gay marriage. If that's the case, why is there such an uproar?
Try substituting the words "carbon tax" or "logging in Tasmania" for "gay marriage" and see if there's a problem. If not, then shut up about it.
I'm just wondering if any of you have actually watched the ad. I can't see where it actually says anything against gay marriage. It's only stating what is an apparent fact - Campbell Newman supports gay marriage. If that's the case, why is there such an uproar?
Try substituting the words "carbon tax" or "logging in Tasmania" for "gay marriage" and see if there's a problem. If not, then shut up about it.
I'm just wondering if any of you have actually watched the ad. I can't see where it actually says anything against gay marriage. It's only stating what is an apparent fact - Campbell Newman supports gay marriage.
well if that's all it says, why does it need to be said?
whats wrong with supporting gay marriage?
why would someone run a national campaign just to say that someone else supports something?
Because it's redundant. If they both agreed on same sex marriage, why is there are a need to state that your opposition supports it as well? It's clear in the ad that the Bob Katter party does not agree on same sex marriage, from the imagery shown to how it's delivered, as well as saying Newman supports gay marriage.
If Bob Katter agreed on same sex marriage, he wouldn't be attacking Newman, he wouldn't have even aired the ad. Also who Bob Katter is and what he stands for certainly does change the ad, because it's a message from him, representing him and his party.
Their party policy is pretty clearly Anti-Homosexual. Just as clear as this being an attack ad against both Newman (which is sad politics, but ok with me) and against a section of our community (which is not ok with me.)
If you're ok with this ad, then you are the kind of person thats wrong with the world.
It doesn't matter that it's the Gays this time, it could be attacking any minority group and I would be against it. An ad like this attacking the fishing, or farming industry would be just as low and disgusting in my opinion.
free people can enter into private concensual agreements. that is essentially what it means to be free.
when the government prohibits entering into consensual private agreements whether it be regarding gay marriage or employment agreements, the government is detracting from our rights and we are no longer free.
Because it's redundant. If they both agreed on same sex marriage, why is there are a need to state that your opposition supports it as well? It's clear in the ad that the Bob Katter party does not agree on same sex marriage, from the imagery shown to how it's delivered, as well as saying Newman supports gay marriage.
If Bob Katter agreed on same sex marriage, he wouldn't be attacking Newman, he wouldn't have even aired the ad. Also who Bob Katter is and what he stands for certainly does change the ad, because it's a message from him, representing him and his party.
So let me make sure I've got this right. It's ok for some people to say what they think, but it's not ok for some other people to say what they think without getting slandered, abused, misquoted, ridiculed, threatened, or shouted into submission by an overly vocal minority who disagree with their opinion?
Their party policy is pretty clearly Anti-Homosexual. Just as clear as this being an attack ad against both Newman (which is sad politics, but ok with me) and against a section of our community (which is not ok with me.)
If you're ok with this ad, then you are the kind of person thats wrong with the world.
It doesn't matter that it's the Gays this time, it could be attacking any minority group and I would be against it. An ad like this attacking the fishing, or farming industry would be just as low and disgusting in my opinion.
Oh, I see. If I have an opinion that differs from you I'm a problem. Makes a lot of sense. So, when can I expect the angry mob of villagers with pitchforks and flaming torches?
In any event, try substituting "carbon tax" in this ad and see if you get the same reaction.
No, if you have an irrational hate for specific groups just because they like something you don't like. While what they like has absolutely no effect on you or anything you do.
THEN you're a problem.
It's not because of your opinion, it's because of your unjustifiable hate.
No, if you have an irrational hate for specific groups just because they like something you don't like. While what they like has absolutely no affect on you or anything you do.
THEN you're a problem.
It's not because of your opinion, it's because of your unjustifiable hate.
The ads highlight the fact that Newman is against the official party line and that not being vehemently opposed to gay rights should be something to be ashamed of. The logistics of someone holding a personal view on a subjective topic that is contradictory to the party's position and yet still support the official party position must blow Katter supporter's minds or something.
More likely is that they think he could advocate for changing the party's position internally and that may have made them rather scared.
Xpendbl, I apologise if I missunderstood your position. You are in favour of equal rights, including Marriage, for all Australian adults? Reguardless of sexual orientation?
Xpendbl, I apologise if I missunderstood your position. You are in favour of equal rights, including Marriage, for all Australian adults? Reguardless of sexual orientation?
Scooter, my position on a great many things does not matter to the vast majority of humankind. I don't believe this instance is any different.
Xpendbl, I apologise if I missunderstood your position. You are in favour of equal rights, including Marriage, for all Australian adults? Reguardless of sexual orientation?
Scooter, my position on a great many things does not matter to the vast majority of humankind. I don't believe this instance is any different.
Well... if your opinion (and vote) is to strip away or block the rights of other Humans to engage in a loving relationship and have that recognised by the Government... I think it does matter. I think it matters a great deal.
Gay Marriage is about Human Rights, it has nothing at all to do with the Carbon Tax. Suppose Katter replaced the two Gay Men with a Muslim Man and a Woman wearing a Burkha and said Muslims should not be allowed to marry ?
It is the same kind of issue, Human Rights for all not just the people you like.
Penny Wong supported Gay marriage but had to bite her tongue because The ALP policy was non-support, its no different to Newmans position, he supports it but his Party does not. Party line comes first.
Xpendbl we know ur Geoff, its considered cowardly to change your screen name during a discussion.
Well... if your opinion (and vote) is to strip away or block the rights of other Humans to engage in a loving relationship and have that recognised by the Government... I think it does matter. I think it matters a great deal.
Why? If, as seems to be stated quite often, the majority of Australians are in favour of gay marriage then whether I am for it or against it doesn't matter.
And once again, if my opinion differs from yours, then I'm the problem. One would have thought that as a human I have the right to an opinion on whatever subject is at hand. That opinion is as valid as yours.
Marriage is whatever the fuck people want it to be, thus anybody against gay marriage is anti homosexuality, and thus a pain in the ass for every other human being trying to be not shit.
As I said before, having an opinion isn't the problem. If you have an irrational hate for specific groups just because they like something you don't like. While what they like has absolutely no effect on you or anything you do and then you try to force that unjustified position onto others, an position formed from a place of hatred. Thats when it becomes a problem.
It's pretty clear that the ad is negative. Negative towards a specific group that Katter and his KAP think will destroy 'family values'
And once again, if my opinion differs from yours, then I'm the problem. One would have thought that as a human I have the right to an opinion on whatever subject is at hand. That opinion is as valid as yours.
Individual rights are not subject to a public vote;
a majority has no right to vote away the rights of a minority;
the political function of rights is precisely to protect minorities from oppression by majorities
- Ayn Rand
It doesnt matter if 99% of ppl dont want Gays to Marry, they are entitled to marry and it is against the Law to discriminate against them. Gay Marriage is unstoppable, learn to accept it and be thankful you live in a Society that tolerates your Intellectually challenged Religious views.
You Bigots and Racists that hide behind a Bible are a Minority too and one day the Government might want to remove some of your rights.
Scooter, you keep using the word "hate". Whist I hate a few things (cats and kikuyu in particular) I do not hate homosexuals.
But I do not believe that gay marriage is a good thing. It further erodes the values that made this country great, values that men and women have fought and died for over the years. Is anybody being oppressed or victimised here? There is real evil in the world. Go out and do something about that.
FaceMan, I am not Geoff.
thermite, I am not gay.
Nerfy, if marriage is whatever people want it to be it becomes meaningless.
"further erodes values" huh, what does that even mean?
what if the gay people have different values than you? (hint: they do)
Gay couples don't want your blessing or the blessing of your religion, that's a private institution - they want the same treatment in the eyes of the government, the people that they vote for as tax paying citizens.
They are not second class, they are not any lesser than a heterosexual couple, they are EXACTLY the same except for two dicks or two vaginas (which mind you also means four boobs)
Marriage is not a religious institution anymore than kiddy fiddling is, just because it happens a lot in churches, doesn't make it a religious experience.
It doesnt matter if 99% of ppl dont want Gays to Marry, they are entitled to marry and it is against the Law to discriminate against them. Gay Marriage is unstoppable, learn to accept it and be thankful you live in a Society that tolerates your Intellectually challenged Religious views.
You Bigots and Racists that hide behind a Bible are a Minority too and one day the Government might want to remove some of your rights.
Are you directing that at me, FaceMan? At what point have I mentioned God? When did I bring up religious views? Am I now a racist because I don't support gay marriage? Somehow I don't think I am the intellectually challenged one.
By the way, the rights of Christians are being abused, denied and eroded all around the world. Do some research.
Nerfy, if marriage is whatever people want it to be it becomes meaningless.
Rather that there's no objective definition. There is no way to claim "marriage is definition x" as one can claim that the acceleration on earth due to gravity is y. We can define it as we wish, as with women's rights, racial equality, etc. If something sucks, and it is only because we say it has to be that way, we can just change it.
You have joined a clearly labelled computer gaming forum, you have posted solely about your support for and in defence of Bob Katter and KAP, and by your own admission you are a 50-odd year old male.
What brought you to QGL? Do you have any interest in gaming or IT or anything related? Just curious because although many diverse topics are covered here and you are well within your rights to post whatever you like, why here and now?
Just be honest, it was the high profile, 1st page on Google, place-to-be-seen on the internet angle wasn't it? WASN'T IT?? Is the way politics is going? Will we see Gillard backmasking her policies via Skrillex tracks? Is Abbott set to pop as an Easter egg in Blu-ray version of The Avengers?
Reveal yourself, wing-ed spawn of Satan!
You are more see through than Grandma's undies.
PS I support gay marriage and equal rights for all people regardless of their beliefs. Yes, even you Broncos supporters.
You have joined a clearly labelled computer gaming forum, you have posted solely about your support for and in defence of Bob Katter and KAP, and by your own admission you are a 50-odd year old male.
What brought you to QGL? Do you have any interest in gaming or IT or anything related? Just curious because although many diverse topics are covered here and you are well within your rights to post whatever you like, why here and now?
Just be honest, it was the high profile, 1st page on Google, place-to-be-seen on the internet angle wasn't it? WASN'T IT?? Is the way politics is going? Will we see Gillard backmasking her policies via Skrillex tracks? Is Abbott set to pop as an Easter egg in Blu-ray version of The Avengers?
Reveal yourself, wing-ed spawn of Satan!
You are more see through than Grandma's undies.
PS I support gay marriage and equal rights for all people regardless of their beliefs. Yes, even you Broncos supporters.
Interestingly, I joined a forum that was already discussing a non-gamer/it related subject.
I am male and probably older than most of you, but 50-odd? It's the haircut, isn't it?
I am a gamer and interested in pcs and alternative operating systems.
Why here and now? Why not? It seemed like a friendly place (at first), but I'm feeling a lot of hate from Scooter.
Gay marriage has nothing to do with actual religion. It's to do with that piece of paper you get, along with paying certain taxes etc. You'd be considered one whole unit, instead of two individuals. Why discriminate what seems to be love between two guys? Just cause a book of fantasy written years after some hairy dude's death said so?
alternative operating systems? do you just hate everything that isn't main-stream!?!
no but seriously, you come across like a bigot - there is not a single valid reason in the world to be opposed to gay marriage, because even if every gay person on the planet did decide to get married tomorrow, your life wouldn't change in the slightest.
if you were hiding under your rock for the whole she-bang, you'd never know until you picked up a paper and saw the headline "world rejoices as walls of oppression are torn down"
people like you used to exist 50 years ago, except instead of gay marriage (which was a long way off back then it seems), they were arguing about women voting and black people riding the bus.
It further erodes the values that made this country great, values that men and women have fought and died for over the years. Is anybody being oppressed or victimised here?
Um, gay people?
Pretty sure we "fought and died" to stop Australia becoming the sort of place where individual rights were diminished eg Nazi Germany. So in a way, Aussie men and women sacrificed their lives so that gay people could be free to marry, religious groups could continue to function and fuckwits like Bob Katter could stand on their soapbox and spout irrational, racist and bigoted diatribes without fear of imprisonment, torture and death.
But I do not believe that gay marriage is a good thing. It further erodes the values that made this country great, values that men and women have fought and died for over the years.
Yeah I remember the big hetero war of 1908, lot of good looking blokes lost their lives in those battles.
Being gay is not natural. Real Australians always reject unnatural things like eyeglasses, polyester, and air conditioning.
2. Other People Will Be Gay
Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall.
3. It Will Lead To Other Crazy Behavior
Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.
4. Marraige Isn’t Open To Change
Straight marriage has been around a long time and hasn’t changed at all. Women are still property, blacks still can’t marry whites, and divorce is still illegal.
5. The Sanctity of Marriage Will Be Broken
Straight marriage will be less meaningful if gay marriage were allowed. The sanctity of Britney Spears’ 55-hour-just-for-fun and Kim Kardashian’s 72-day-highly-profitable marriage would be destroyed.
6. Marriage Should Produce Children
Straight marriages are valid because they produce children. Gay couples, infertile couples, and old people shouldn’t be allowed to marry because our orphanages aren’t full yet, and the world needs more children.
7. Gay Parents = Gay Kids
Obviously gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.
8. It Is Not Supported By Religion
Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That’s why we have only one religion in Australia.
9. A Male And Female Role Model Is Required
Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home. That’s why we as a society expressively forbid single parents to raise children.
10. It Will Change the Foundation Of Society
Gay marriage will change the foundation of society. We could never adapt to new social norms. Just like we haven’t adapted to cars, the downfall economy, or longer life spans.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and to speak it.... if someone doesn't like gay people.. for whatever reason... they have every right to voice that concern and start an anti homogay political party about it... that's the beauty of democracy.
Australia had a Nazi party 70 odd years ago ya know.
Xpendbl, the argument against gay marriage is usually based on some bizzare notion that society is going to collapse due to the HORRORS of allowing same sex people to have their relationship recognised by the state in the same way as heterosexual people.
There is more data to suggest that ISN'T the case, rather than it is. Yet, people still use that as an argument.
When gay people are being victimised, abused, discriminated against and committing suicide, it's pretty heartless and arrogant to look at that reality and instead continue to voice some insane arugment about the moral collapse of society due to same sex marriage.
There is more data to suggest that ISN'T the case, rather than it is. Yet, people still use that as an argument.
There is more data to suggest that African Americans are criminals.... you can't trust dat dataz all the time... because I know an African American who isn't a criminal.
Haha, you wish! The thread title and you as the poster prompted me to do a search and I found it was still in it's original Whoop(I think) hosted packaging. It is etched in my memory because I am partial to a good chawp - I have been relegated to win7paint these days unfortunately. :)
Hehe, I must admit it was a good shoop. However I'm happily in love with my girlfriend, though that doesn't instantly make me hate gays, far from it. I respect all human beings who want to do whatever they want to do, except of course pedo's, they are low life scum.
But seriously, it's a bit of paper, it's not like some outer beings are just waiting for us to open up equal rights and then swoop in and destroy us. People have such an irrational fear over stupid stuff. If they let gays, lesbos and trannies start marrying tomorrow, we won't wake up and suddenly be eating gay breakfast or doing gay dog walking.
I think one of the best things about this country is that everyone is (mostly) given a fair go. I think that people in love should also be given a fair go as well.
I know that's what both my Grandfathers fought for.
Is anybody being oppressed or victimised here?
Yeah, they are.
They're not allowed to have legal recognition of their love for each other. A right that you and I currently have (and maybe take for granted.)
There is real evil in the world. Go out and do something about that.
There is real evil. Like people with outdated beliefs which discriminate still being allowed to force their bias on and oppress my fellow Australian citizens. I'm doing something about that right now.
I guess I just cant understand why you want to oppress and restrict a group that you claim to hold no hate for. Maybe it's fear? But fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate. And we all know where hate leads.
I guess I just cant understand why you want to oppress and restrict a group that you claim to hold no hate for. Maybe it's fear? But fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate. And we all know where hate leads.
My thought on this has always been, because some think they are superior to them, so they don't deserve the right they have. Just like how black people weren't considered worthy of the same rights as white people. I couldn't care less if 2 guys or 2 ladies want to marry. Good on em for finding love and being happy.
EDIT - I also find it funny that some people claim they don't hate gays themselves but rather it's only because the bible says it's wrong. Missing the parts in there that talk about stoning to death disobedient children and that women aren't allowed to hold authority over men. I think I remember reading something about not talking to women while they are on their periods too but not 100% on that. Pick and choose much?
EDIT - I also find it funny that some people claim they don't hate gays themselves but rather it's only because the bible says it's wrong. Missing the parts in there that talk about stoning to death disobedient children and that women aren't allowed to hold authority over men. I think I remember reading something about not talking to women while they are on their periods too but not 100% on that. Pick and choose much?last edited by DM at 18:45:44 13/Mar/12
I always bring people up on this... there is another thing in there about tattoos too.. but you see people running around with a cross tattoo.....
Leviticus 19:28, "Do not cut your bodies for the dead, and do not mark your skin with tattoos. I am the Lord."
Not to mention the whole 'lets just ignore the old testament' attitude.... it's your fucking holy book.. how can you just disregard half of the LORD YOUR GODS HOLY WORD?
Yeah either everything in there is the word of god and should be followed 100% or none of it is. You can pick out parts you want and say oh these 3 things here are exactly what we should follow but ignore the parts about killing kids and women being slaves to men.
Yeah either everything in there is the word of god and should be followed 100% or none of it is. You can pick out parts you want and say oh these 3 things here are exactly what we should follow but ignore the parts about killing kids and women being slaves to men.
One of my ex girlfriends was a devout Anglican... I always used to bring up slavery and possession of women whenever she tried preaching to me. Turns out she is one of those Christians who thinks she is entitled to interpreting an omnipotent entities word.
He that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death. -- Exodus 21:17
Children who mock their parents will have their eyes plucked out by ravens and eaten by eagles.
The eye that mocketh at his father, and despiseth to obey his mother, the ravens of the valley shall pick it out, and the young eagles shall eat it. -- Proverbs 30:17
What... is this? Next thing you know, women will be allowed to vote, blacks will be considered human, and left handed people won't even be considered servants of satan... Fuck.
Pretty sure that's a troll forum.
Hahaha been skimming over that forum a bit, some grade A trolling there.
The looney looney left getting into a tissy again because another party is disagreeing with them on something.
AGREE WITH US OR YOU ARE A RACIST HOMOPHOBE CLIMATE CHANGE DENIER WHITE SURPREMECIST BOGAN BIGOT NAZI AND ANY OTHER FEAR WORD I CAN'T THINK OF RIGHT NOW.
The looney looney left getting into a tissy again because another party is disagreeing with them on something.
AGREE WITH US OR YOU ARE A RACIST HOMOPHOBE CLIMATE CHANGE DENIER WHITE SURPREMECIST BOGAN BIGOT NAZI AND ANY OTHER FEAR WORD I CAN'T THINK OF RIGHT NOW.
Sounds like you just can't stand anyone talking about anything that doesn't agree with your opinion. Wait...wouldn't that mean you're also getting into a tissy because another party is disagreeing with you? Or does that just not work with you?
I was away over the weekend and only heard about this yesterday afternoon, the thing that struck me about it is you have people attacking Newman for supporting gay marriage, and also for his party not supporting it. As a perspective leader he can't win and that would pretty much sum up why the KAP picked this Federal Issue to make an ad about in a state election.
One could read into this a bit further and see that if the LNP and Newman get in, the KAP are pretty much finished. If Labor some how manage to limp back in, the KAP just have to wait for 3-4more years of Labor failing around to pass to get another chance.
So let me make sure I've got this right. It's ok for some people to say what they think, but it's not ok for some other people to say what they think without getting slandered, abused, misquoted, ridiculed, threatened, or shouted into submission by an overly vocal minority who disagree with their opinion?
I guess that's free speech for you.
Came accross this today, thought it was very fitting;
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