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Australian adult website (AbbyWinters.com) raided
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
1719 posts
Links:
http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/australian-adult-website-abby-winters-raided/
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,27574,25641940-2862,00.html


Australian adult website Abby Winters raided
June 16, 2009 – 7:55 pm

G Media, the Australian company behind one of the web’s most popular adult websites, AbbyWinters.com, has been raided by Victoria police and it’s owner arrested. No charges have been laid.

According to The Herald Sun, computers containing footage of women allegedly performing explicit sex acts were seized by police because they are ‘illegal to produce in Victoria’. Under section 24 of the Victorian Classification (Publications, Films and Computer Games) (Enforcement) Act 199, a person must not, for the purpose of gain, make or produce an objectionable film.

What’s an objectionable film in Victoria?

Well that probably comes down to individual opinion more than anything, but the Act defines it as one that:

1. describes, depicts, expresses or otherwise deals with matters of sex,
drug misuse or addiction, crime, cruelty, violence or revolting or
abhorrent phenomena in a manner that is likely to cause offence to a
reasonable adult; or
2. promotes, incites or instructs in matters of crime or violence; or
3. is classified RC or X 18+ or would, if classified, be classified RC or
X 18+ or has been, or would be, refused approval, as the case
requires

Determining whether any of the content on Abby Winters is is objectionable will require lengthy review.

This has the potential to be an interesting case. It looks like they will pretty much get stuck on point 3 I reckon- not being able to produce RC or X18+ material in VIC.

The other issue (as reported in the 'somebodythinkofthechildren' article) is that some of the models may have been underage - most would agree that is a much more serious allegation.
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nF
Forum Hero
Wynnum, Queensland
16076 posts
Determining whether any of the content on Abby Winters is is objectionable will require lengthy review.


And some privacy.
12:24am 17/06/09 Permalink
HERMITech
Brisbane, Queensland
6128 posts
If they were stupid enough to use under 18 people then serves them right for not being more stringent in their background checks (ie verifying their ID/age and ensuring ID's aren't fake) before they cast them. They deserve what they get...

Otherwise, who cares - apart from prudes, morally righteous and those legally obliged with to do something about it when duly informed as our laws don't oblige creation of media where it might be viewed by some person who can think for themselves and isn't offended by the content they choose to watch.

I don't always like some of the stuff I inevitably see here and there (some s*** just makes me want to scratch my eyes out) however, when it's between consenting adults (and I mean consenting, not intimidated, bullied etc), I really can't object as to what they do and neither should anyone else be allowed to. They do have the option of not watching nor permitting it to be viewed in their house/s.
12:42am 17/06/09 Permalink
qmass
Queensland
9345 posts
Is it legal to make X rated films anywhere in Australia?

Pretty good use of police resources, not like there is anything else going on in vic... like gang killings or anything.
01:06am 17/06/09 Permalink
Tiny
Brisbane, Queensland
1458 posts
but.....

01:11am 17/06/09 Permalink
HERMITech
Brisbane, Queensland
6131 posts
^ That's probably the only valid reason for WoW to have ever existed.
01:40am 17/06/09 Permalink
kr0wb4r
Brisbane, Queensland
264 posts
I'll admit I've seen some of their stuff and it's all pretty tame s***, even the more 'hardcore' scenes are really fkn timid, you'd almost compare them to movie sex scenes except you can see a bit of vagoo.
01:56am 17/06/09 Permalink
`ViPER`
Brisbane, Queensland
1200 posts
1. describes, depicts, expresses or otherwise deals with matters of sex,
drug misuse or addiction, crime, cruelty, violence or revolting or
abhorrent phenomena in a manner that is likely to cause offence to a
reasonable adult; or
2. promotes, incites or instructs in matters of crime or violence; or


You mean "underbelly" ?
06:36am 17/06/09 Permalink
darkjedi
Brisbane, Queensland
1732 posts
Some of their Lesbian stuff would be classed as hardcore, along with some of the solo shoots that feature a bit of light watersport action (ie. chick pissing on the ground, nothing more).. Sad part is that if they have indeed made these in AU, the owner's more than likely f***ed.
06:37am 17/06/09 Permalink
cainer
Brisbane, Queensland
1480 posts
why wont someone think of the children
07:43am 17/06/09 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
4739 posts
A job came up at AbbyWinters last year for an IT manager.. I was so tempted to apply for it regardless of the pay, just think of the issues:

"Hi we need help replacing the batteries on our camera, please come down to the shoot"

"Hi something is wrong with the computer we use to publish the pictures, please check all files on the computer for corrpution"

07:48am 17/06/09 Permalink
thermite
Brisbane, Queensland
1777 posts
I almost got a job as a cam girl once. I'm not a girl.
08:26am 17/06/09 Permalink
maxe
Brisbane, Queensland
13885 posts
08:59am 17/06/09 Permalink
Le C***
Brisbane, Queensland
5116 posts
aahahahahah maxe!
09:03am 17/06/09 Permalink
Dazhel
Gold Coast, Queensland
351 posts

What’s an objectionable film in Victoria? ...the Act defines it as one that:

1. describes, depicts, expresses or otherwise deals with matters of sex,
drug misuse or addiction, crime, cruelty, violence or revolting or
abhorrent phenomena in a manner that is likely to cause offence to a
reasonable adult;


Surely that new Shaun Micallef show on channel ten falls under this criteria?
Cruelty to the audience, revolting and abhorrent, and causing offense...
09:24am 17/06/09 Permalink
Zak
Brisbane, Queensland
1961 posts
That Ronaldo gif cracks me up every time. Such an idiot.
09:32am 17/06/09 Permalink
LiandraDahl
Melbourne, Victoria
1 posts
I am the "former nude model", Liandra Dahl, that The Herald Sun has misquoted on 16th June 2009. I explicitly deny any involvement with this most recent article and allegations by the Herald Scum...I mean Herald Sun. I made no comment about the allegations, in fact I knew nothing of them or the raids until my mother called me yesterday to say I was in the paper again. Whilst I, of course, would find it reprehensible IF underage models were ever used, I am ardently anti-censorship. I want no part in a campaign against the production of porn in Victoria. I do not want to be associated in any way with a puritanical witch hunt about what sexually explicit images the The Herald Sun thinks it is OK for consenting adults to perform or watch. For that matter what business is it of the Victorian Government if consenting adults want to have sex with each other in whatever orifice they see fit, or in whatever fashion pleases them, and then put it on the internet for other adults to see. We are not the government’s children and it is not their place to make these sorts of moral judgements about what consenting adults do sexually. If someone doesn't like it, THEY DON"T HAVE TO LOOK AT IT! I also reckon it's a safe bet that a good portion of the Herald Sun readers are already avid viewers of porn anyway.


IN FACT I THINK IT'S TIME FOR AN ANTI-CENSORSHIP RALLY IN MELBOURNE....Is anyone with me?
11:58am 17/06/09 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
4741 posts
PICS OR LYING!
12:03pm 17/06/09 Permalink
Zak
Brisbane, Queensland
1962 posts
This thread suddenly just got more awesome.
12:06pm 17/06/09 Permalink
reso
I can't read
Brisbane, Queensland
4761 posts
marry me
12:07pm 17/06/09 Permalink
MrHardware
Brisbane, Queensland
5068 posts
toasting in an epic bread
prediction = 200+ toasts
12:09pm 17/06/09 Permalink
tequila
Brisbane, Queensland
2473 posts
Hi Liandra,

I'm establishing an authority on internet porn
please email all samples to brett [AT] unix.org.au and we will send back a rating out of 10
12:16pm 17/06/09 Permalink
FaceMan
Brisbane, Queensland
1116 posts
Censorship is much like the War on Drugs.
It doesnt work and criminalizes consenting victimless adult behavior.
Legalize all forms of Adult Pornography.
As long as the Legal requirements of Age are met then who is getting hurt ?
12:19pm 17/06/09 Permalink
Mantorok
Brisbane, Queensland
3483 posts
tequila - Abby Winters has a site with a bunch of free samples. Just google for "Abby Winters free", should be the first result.
12:19pm 17/06/09 Permalink
LiandraDahl
Melbourne, Victoria
2 posts
Tequila I'm not going to send you anything to rate out of 10 hon, but if you want to see my work you will find it predominantly on the following sites www.ifeelmyself.com, www.ishotmyself.com, www.abbywinters.com. It is also all over free filesharing sites.
12:22pm 17/06/09 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
4742 posts
Finally a replacement for kat.zip, welcome to the forum :)
12:24pm 17/06/09 Permalink
Syco
Brisbane, Queensland
324 posts
Damn right wing religo bias news papers trying to screw it up for the rest of us. Why does a newspaper go on a personal crusade against something?

last edited by Syco at 12:35:24 17/Jun/09
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tequila
Brisbane, Queensland
2474 posts
I love this thread
12:27pm 17/06/09 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
12569 posts
Tits or GTFO
12:55pm 17/06/09 Permalink
pARODY
Brisbane, Queensland
341 posts
Its legal to make porn in ACT. kthxbai.
01:05pm 17/06/09 Permalink
redhat
Sydney, New South Wales
492 posts
01:25pm 17/06/09 Permalink
maxe
Brisbane, Queensland
13887 posts
i love the way this thread makes it look like there are girls on the internet
01:27pm 17/06/09 Permalink
Triamks
Brisbane, Queensland
2167 posts
Posting in this thread.
01:29pm 17/06/09 Permalink
blahnana
Brisbane, Queensland
372 posts
3
01:33pm 17/06/09 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
1722 posts
Its legal to make porn in ACT. kthxbai.

Yeah, why is that? For what reason should porn be legislated by the state rather than on a national level.

Also, Liandra (if you are not a QGL troll), what is the tattoo on right arm above the armband one?
01:46pm 17/06/09 Permalink
Clubby
Brisbane, Queensland
119 posts
Hi LiandraDahl,

Apparently we can get $6 chicken teriyaki and rice from the red crane on Eagle St which is great value. How about it? :)
01:50pm 17/06/09 Permalink
mongie
Brisbane, Queensland
6451 posts
Woah, wtf?!?
01:50pm 17/06/09 Permalink
trog
AGN Admin
Brisbane, Queensland
27166 posts
kindly refrain from the +1 postings; if you have nothing to say, don't say anything
01:53pm 17/06/09 Permalink
casa
Thimes
Brisbane, Queensland
3352 posts

yeah
02:05pm 17/06/09 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
1723 posts
Legalize all forms of Adult Pornography. As long as the Legal requirements of Age are met then who is getting hurt ?

Well, the actor/actress is often seen as a victim in many cases. They can be (but of course not always, and maybe even a minority) an addict, jobless, and so on. Need money, turn to quick way to get it. And then, like drugs, there is a lot of money to be made in pornography, which makes your shady types consider sex trafficking and other modern forms of slavery.

So there are issues, FaceMan.

At least with a case like this you get to have twelve people that represent the community decide on the points in the law - and it's not unusual for a jury to decide that such things are no longer objectionable, as they once were. So we'll see.
02:09pm 17/06/09 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
4743 posts
IN FACT I THINK IT'S TIME FOR AN ANTI-CENSORSHIP RALLY IN MELBOURNE....Is anyone with me?


I'll go, censorship in Australia is s*** and it's only going to get worse once knob head puts in his internet filter.
02:10pm 17/06/09 Permalink
HERMITech
Brisbane, Queensland
6134 posts
You know you've made it as a forum when pr0n stars come to you :P

Well Done QGL!
02:14pm 17/06/09 Permalink
fade
Brisbane, Queensland
3577 posts
A couple of people have hit the nail on the head - If they have broken the law, then are liable for punishment. Notwithstanding the merits of such a law, the regulations with respect to adult media in Australia are well known.

Personal opinion - the law is s***. But, I still have to follow it.


Also pics?
02:20pm 17/06/09 Permalink
Dazhel
Gold Coast, Queensland
352 posts

Also, Liandra (if you are not a QGL troll), what is the tattoo on right arm above the armband one?


Asking what would normally be classified as a personal question for identity verification somehow just isn't as effective if nudie pics containing the answer are only a google image search away.
02:24pm 17/06/09 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
1724 posts
I've seen the pics, I can't tell what the tattoo is. I'm just interested, it's not ID verification. I put in the 'if you are not a QGL troll' as a disclaimer for when 20 posts from now someone says, "Man, I fooled you losers real good. I created the fake login. HAHAHA"
02:29pm 17/06/09 Permalink
FaceMan
Brisbane, Queensland
1121 posts
Well, the actor/actress is often seen as a victim in many cases. They can be (but of course not always, and maybe even a minority) an addict, jobless, and so on. Need money, turn to quick way to get it. And then, like drugs, there is a lot of money to be made in pornography, which makes your shady types consider sex trafficking and other modern forms of slavery


Any work could be considered slavery.
You dont have to be a porn actor to do drugs.

Yes there are shady types connected with Porn because of Drug Laws that are a Failure and encourage Criminal Groups.
02:36pm 17/06/09 Permalink
FraktuRe
Gold Coast, Queensland
924 posts
02:49pm 17/06/09 Permalink
Superform
Netherlands
5659 posts
03:22pm 17/06/09 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
12574 posts
what a honey!!
03:23pm 17/06/09 Permalink
BillyHardball
Brisbane, Queensland
9214 posts
LiandraDahl, contact Media Watch!
03:27pm 17/06/09 Permalink
Pinky
Melbourne, Victoria
1725 posts
LiandraDahl, contact Media Watch!

Haha, that smarmy git on that show makes me laff. Good show though, always watch till the end when I turn it on by mistake.
03:34pm 17/06/09 Permalink
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Brisbane, Queensland
1495 posts
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infi
Brisbane, Queensland
12577 posts
oh ban that s***
03:45pm 17/06/09 Permalink
Raider
Brisbane, Queensland
2506 posts
obes be trolln up in here
03:54pm 17/06/09 Permalink
Mantorok
Brisbane, Queensland
3486 posts
I've seen the pics, I can't tell what the tattoo is. I'm just interested, it's not ID verification.
Looks like Arabic to me.
04:48pm 17/06/09 Permalink
Superform
Netherlands
5660 posts
looks like a prison tat to me
04:56pm 17/06/09 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
2947 posts
Bloody hell, Ausgamers / QGL really rates on the Googles - doesn't seem to take a long time for a current affair to be posted on here and reach the people involved, and it seems to happen more frequently these days. Remember the guy in the thread about internet take-up?

I'm waiting for a collision between a bereaved person and a superboss death/pun thread, should be spectacular. Can only be a matter of time!

Did you guys do an SEO exercise?

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TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
4744 posts
It's insane Hoggy, a few posts back someone asked about some archaic PC module thing and I did a google search for it and the first result was the thread and I only searched an hour or two after the post was made.
05:30pm 17/06/09 Permalink
Fn
Brisbane, Queensland
5454 posts
Google also searches your history and lists any matches. Linkies
06:44pm 17/06/09 Permalink
XaltD
Queensland
509 posts
Pornography has to be monitored (yes by officials of the government) to prevent the sick perverts that prey on children etc. I personally am all for censorship on some things. Acts of violence during sex (rape etc included) and child pornography are top of my list of s*** that needs to be stopped.

I'm sure every guy here wishes he could have been a porn star. I envy you Liandra Dahl. Go hard <-- no pun intended :)
07:20pm 17/06/09 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
2948 posts
Yeh but FFS, its even on Bing...

First result for AbbyWinters.com raided is ausgamers!
07:48pm 17/06/09 Permalink
Skitza
Brisbane, Queensland
8778 posts
^ HAHAHAHA didn't you know QGL > *.* - You come here for the latest.
08:11pm 17/06/09 Permalink
shad
Brisbane, Queensland
2642 posts
The search engine's are obviously ranking us #1 for the quality of our posts. Good work all.
08:13pm 17/06/09 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
25358 posts
^^ haha ^^
08:38pm 17/06/09 Permalink
Midda
Brisbane, Queensland
3655 posts
Actually, I have noticed that QGL shows up in my Google searches a fair bit. Weird.
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mission
Brisbane, Queensland
5216 posts
I'm waiting for a collision between a bereaved person and a superboss death/pun thread, should be spectacular. Can only be a matter of time!


Oh yeah, that's going to be good.
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