At 3am our time, Steve Jobs will be giving his keynote address at the world developers conference. Its expected he will be showing off the features of the new 3G iPhone. Various web sites are reporting that it has GPS, 3G and a 5mp camera so I guess we'll all know for sure by the morning.

Apparently, this photo shows a box sent to a unnamed Australian retailer. lol at the DONT OPEN UNTIL 10 JUNE 2008 note :)

Well the Sydney Apple store opens on the 19th at 5pm, so even though I hope the Iphone is out before that, Apple would be crazy not to launch it @ their own store....

Steve Jobs is the modern super hero of retadation


Praise democracy

fixed for ET and whoop

current rumors say it will launch tomorrow but wont go on sale until then 19th

People don't even know if its going to be announced, let alone the RRP. Just wait until the morning.

isnt it just a phone?

i don't think it's not unlikely that it may not be unavailable still

nigga wat

these things are pieces of shit, got a few mates who got em early, and they all hated em after the novelty wears off.

good as an ipod, but as a phone, talk about a brick....

i guess if u wanted to assassinate someone u could feed it to them

iPhone 3G info posted: http://www.apple.com/iphone/

July 11th release date...but might take a little longer for the networds to brace for the onslaught in Oz..

My bet - the 8GB = $249 AUD

EDIT: HAHAHA!! You'll only be able to buy it at bricks and mortar stores.

Something tells me this is a subsidised phone and therefore you cannot buy it without signing up with a provider in the store!

last edited by Creepy at 06:03:53 10/Jun/08

if its that cheap here i might get one. i need a new phone

edit: looks like its that cheap in the US because you have to go on a 2 year plan with at&t.

last edited by ravn0s at 07:36:56 10/Jun/08

i want to know how much it is to buy it outright. no bullshit plans etc.

UMTS/HSDPA (850, 1900, 2100 MHz)

Did anyone notice this?

It means that Optus / Vodafone won't have HSDPA support on their networks. It also means that Telstra must be launching it too.

so buying one when it comes out

last edited by boba at 09:21:05 10/Jun/08

I think more exciting than JUST the iPhone getting released (and I can't believe everyone in this thread failed to mention this!) is that the 3rd party apps should be getting released as well! Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaay... Although the iPhone alone my not float your boat, 3rd party apps have a lot of potential to make this the best phone out there on the market, bar none. I used to have my iPod Touch jailbroken, and although most of the apps were silly little things, some of them were fucking neat and useful. If those few apps (from 6 months ago!) were anything to go by, Apple iPhone + 3rd party apps will kick fucking arse.

*when I say "the best phone out there, bar none" I of course mean, the best phone without buttons:) I still think that's a major drawback - you can't dial/scroll menu/sms without looking at the device:/

Yeah looking forward to checking one out, Activesync ftw

Is that the recessed jack that means some don't fit ?

http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/09/iphone-3g-hands-on/

The headphone jack is flush, as mentioned. It's still 3.5mm, so if you don't like the out of box phones (which won't stay in our ears), bring your own, no problem -- and no adapter needed!

Fixed!@

Nice one Ticman.

iPhone haters are going to have to be really scratching their heads now to work out ways to lump shit on it!

you can tell that was written by a fucking female because the retard took two fucking identical photos of the back rather than one of the front as well. gg

you can make phone calls on your 3 year old ipaq?

you can make phone calls on your 3 year old ipaq?

I can with skype!

But no, I can't - I should have said "3 year old Windows Mobile edition". Other Windows mobile devices that are phones obviously can do this already, and have better software support, and don't need to go through the appstore, and have a more open development model (even though its microsoft).

I gave up using my iPod touch to check my email at home because it is soooooooooooooo much slower to do so than using the 'light' Gmail on PocketIE on my ipaq.

Mongie,
According to this page, The new Optus 3G network operates on 2100Mhz, so why wont HSDPA work? I don’t know about HSDPA so this is an honest question.

last edited by E.T. at 11:02:58 10/Jun/08

asif it's slow. Leave it on auto-update so it checks at set intervals so you have your new mail waiting for you when you look at it.

Next time you are over I'll show you the diff. It is pretty interesting. Note: its a different version of Gmail though, not the whizbang ajax one - old school no javascript. But its perfectly usable and (imo) a far more useful version for mobile devices because it loads pages wayyyyyyyyyyy faster than safari.

Isnt 3(.0)G 2100MHz anyway? 3.5G is Telstra's Next-G crap which is different.

Also, the new iPhone looks damn good (and thinner too which was my main gripe). Now I just A) have to sell my phone and my iPod and B) hope that you can buy them outright coz I got Telstra prepaid. White one does look like shit. Black one with the new rounded back looks swish.

Next time you are over I'll show you the diff. It is pretty interesting. Note: its a different version of Gmail though, not the whizbang ajax one - old school no javascript. But its perfectly usable and (imo) a far more useful version for mobile devices because it loads pages wayyyyyyyyyyy faster than safari.

BH is talking about Mail.app, not the website version and yes Safari is a slow piece of shite but the best mobile browser by far (despite the slow downloading) which sounds ironic but yeah.

last edited by ³dee at 12:27:13 10/Jun/08

pre paid heh

freedom until you run out of credit...

What about if you're a money-loaded consumer who just likes shiny, very easy to use things?

last edited by B.Hardball at 12:53:18 10/Jun/08

Have you used a Windows Mobile device before? If you had, you probably wouldn't be raving so much about the iPhone.

Hit nailed on the head. That's why the yawn emoticon. I can't imagine multi tap with out haptic is useful. I fucking hate touch screen I prefer tactile buttons when I type. Like all apple products I go, wow sexy hardware. Pity it's an apple.

Lol at people thinking Apple's just trying to make a phone. The iPhone is a multimedia phone/mp3 player not a black and white 2001 tech phone. If you dont like it dont fucking buy it. Simple.

It sure as hell shits on any normal phone and mp3 device, unless of course if you havent used an iPod touch before and think theyre shit and people shouldnt buy them coz they apparently are shit...

Wait wait, is Apple making a phone or not, because you contradict yourself. As a phone it's probably an 'epic fail' because it's going to need recharging every night. For minimalistic freaks, battery life is the most important thing. Now you're thinking "but not everyone is a minimalistic freak like you greazy bastard" yeah thats right not everyone is but the point is the iphone as a phone only sucks because battery life will be shit.

Shit is probably a nice word for describing the battery life of macs.

Edit: I know there are other details like reception quality, brightness, smsing etc but most of these details have become fairly standard in regards to quality.

last edited by sif greazy at 13:14:47 10/Jun/08

This is a developer conference, not a "release party" or whatever the apple fan boys want it to be. They may announce the phone but it's extremely unlikely that it will be available just yet. Last year the wwdc was on June 11, and the phone was released on the 29th.

+added sense

The phone's release is actually July 11 (next month), not June 11 (tomorrow), lots of people are getting a lot of wrong information.

http://www.apple.com/au/

Have you used a Windows Mobile device before? If you had, you probably wouldn't be raving so much about the iPhone.

When I use all the features of my iPod Touch I have to charge it daily.

what kinda crazy features do you have that you need to use them daily?

what kinda crazy features do you have that you need to use them daily?

Obviously you didn't read the rest of his post.

Have you used a Windows Mobile device before? If you had, you probably wouldn't be raving so much about the iPhone.

I have, worst phone I have ever had (O2 XDAII) except for the first version of the RAZR (awwwwwful). Switched from it to a Nokia N95. I had two other friends who had similar phones, both of which have switched back to normal phones. Maybe they are better these days... Having the relatively big software library was nice, but lots of problems installing software, and dealing with the phone day 2 day (having a task manager and start button on a mobile phone is pretty disgusting from a UI point of view) [n95 is not much better in this regard]. And the developer community for iPhone should be bloddy awesome, simply nicer than dealing with rim/symbian/Flash Lite (from the little Ive dealt with the dev tools), although not as nice as Python. Windows fanboys will be windows fanboys.

/endrant

2MP camera.

I'm yet to see a phone that can take good enough photos to truly replace the need for owning a separate digital camera.

No MMS.

Wtf is MMS? Why can't you just send emails with whatever media you wanted to send?

No copy and paste.

lol agreed... this shits me off just using my Touch.

No video calls.

video calls aren't the way of the future

No expandable memory.

The memory of the iPhone is as big as your HDD. You buy it to plug into your PC... the only advantage of having an actual slot (as trog pointed out to me a while back) is that it allows you to travel away from home for long periods of time with extra media.

Is there built-in video recording support yet? I'm not sure.

See point about 2mp camera.

Quite a serious question - how many people (and how often) actually:
1 send MMS messages
2 take serious photos with their phones
3 want to make video calls, or actually do when the feature is available
4 are away from their PC often enough to actually need more than 16gig of space

My answers:
1 maybe three times in the past 4 years, but I could have always waited an extra hour or so to send an email when I got home from where ever I was

2 sometimes I have been in a situation and really wanted to take a photo and have done so with my phone. The problem hasn't been the MP, it has been the actual quality of the photos, which like I said will never match a digital camera.

3 Never wanted to and never have even though I've had the ability to for the past 2 years

4 maybe once a year at the most when I go overseas.

last edited by B.Hardball at 14:19:43 10/Jun/08

Sure, the iPhone has lots of other features, but it's stupid to say that it's hard to find problems with it, especially with such glaring problems as those listed above.

Yeah, I'm not saying there aren't certain problems with the design/software but its annoying when ignorant people don't even test something out before condemning them to a Vista like debate and start saying "but its not just a shitty phone" whaa whaa. OF COURSE ITS NOT JUST A PHONE FFS

what kinda crazy features do you have that you need to use them daily?

Its a 3.5" screen and has a dedicated H.264 hardware decoder chip.
The Wi-Fi eats battery power like T-Rex if you leave it on all day (cause it constantly searches for networks).
The whole interface is 3D accelerated (like Aero) which probably helps in eating powers.

1 send MMS messages
2 take serious photos with their phones
3 want to make video calls, or actually do when the feature is available
4 are away from their PC often enough to actually need more than 16gig of space

1) Never use mms
2) Exactly - every camera phone Ive ever had has mediocre quality - only the snazzy 5mp zoom carl zeiss stuff you find on only a very small number of phones are actually semi-decent in quality
3) I've never ever made a video call, nor would I - (wow I can see your face omgomgomg)
4) Enter the FLASH/PORTABLE DRIVE - its a great invention!

Also, 16gb is the most any phone currently has if im not mistaken...

last edited by ³dee at 14:34:57 10/Jun/08

* - YOU ALONE DO NOT GET TO DECIDE WHAT THE AVERAGE CONSUMER WANTS / NEEDS.

I'm yet to see a phone that can take good enough photos to truly replace the need for owning a separate digital camera.

See N95. See *

Wtf is MMS? Why can't you just send emails with whatever media you wanted to send?

A lot of people can't receive e-mails to their phone! See *

video calls aren't the way of the future

Um... says who? See *

See point about 2mp camera.

See *

last edited by mongie at 14:34:27 10/Jun/08

2MP camera.
No MMS.
No copy and paste.
No video calls.
No expandable memory.
Is there built-in video recording support yet? I'm not sure.

These are some points I'd been focusing on when trying to decide to get the iPhone or not however I came to the conclusion that my shirtless guitar man has also come to;

1) Pictures on a phone suck balls no matter what the phone is so I'll just stick to carrying a proper digital camera with me when I think I'll need it.

2) I've never ever ever ever ever (x 1000) used MMS. If I need to send a picture/video/whatever to someone while being out and about, I can just attach it to an email.

3) This is seriously gay.. htf can you not have copy & paste on a device like the iPhone.

4) I've never ever ever ever ever (x 1000) used video calls with any of my phones.

5) If I was going away for a long enough period of time where I would need to fill 8/16Gb of data with movies or music then I'd be bringing my laptop which has oodles of space available. If I watch all the videos on the iPhone I can just delete them and transfer new ones across from the laptop.

6) Can't say I've used video recording on my phone ever.

So to me, the iPhone is a sure winner with its feature set and insanely wanky appeal. For others that need the above things then it obviously isn't the phone for them and would probably choose an N95 or N96 over it.

The camera in my N95 is awesome. Sure, it's not as good as a dedicated digital camera, but it's by no means bad. It takes nice, clear shots, and at 5MP, there's plenty of resolution. And yes, I do know quite a few people who use their phones as cameras regularly, it's incredibly convenient to have a decent quality camera built into your phone.

MMS is picture messaging. I rarely email mates, because I have no idea how often they check their email, but I know they usually have their phones close-by. I don't use it THAT often, but often enough to be annoying by it being absent, and again, I know people who rely on it a lot more than I do. Sometimes you see something funny, and you know a couple of your mates will get a laugh from it, so you snap a quick pic, and send it off. Easy. Sure, I could take a picture, wait till I get home, upload the pic to my PC and then email it, but I really cbf. It's so much easier to just choose the 'send' option that pops up when I take the picture.

As for video calls, I admittedly don't make them often, but I'm certainly glad that I have the feature, considering that all of my family lives up in Cairns. On birthdays and holidays, it's nice to be able to see their faces, and it barely costs more than a standard call. I'm really not sure how often video calls are made by the general public, but I know that the chances are slim that I'd buy a phone without it.

And in my case, the removable memory thing is more of an upgrading issue. At the moment, my phone has bugger-all space on it, but that's okay, because lately I've been listening to the radio more than I have MP3s (does the iPhone have a radio in it?). But, I'm sure that eventually, I'll need more space, so I can just go to the store and buy an 8GB MicroSD card and pop it in. Easy. That's part of the reason why I went for the N95-3 over the N95 8GB. The difference in price was about that of an 8GB microSD card, and I figured that at worst, I'll end up spending the same in order to get the same storage, but I'll still have the option to upgrade it if need be.

And no, I don't record videos on my phone, but there seems to be a lot of people on the internet complaining that their iPhones can't do it, so why not give the option?

"You alone do not get to decide what the AVERAGE consumer wants or needs."

The market will decide.. lets see how many they sell :)

How about... a picture that you've taken on your phone?

Why would you send a crappy 2mp photo to other people!
ZING@!#

And back on MMS... when the fuck do you seriously have some media thing that's so important you have to send it to someone's phone? My point was, email it to their email account (everyone has one of those) and they'll see it eventually.

My brother sent an MMS of his child after he was born while I was at work. It's the luxury of having it. I have heard your exact argument from a mate who hates mobile phones and says since when do you actually need a phone. It's true we don't need one but they're damn handy.

How about... a ringtone?

How about... a picture that you've taken on your phone?


I'm not anti or pro iPhone... I just take offense to individuals thinking that what they need or use is what everyone should need or use.

Dude, relax. I'll explain why I think your comments are retarded:

Firstly, I addressed the issue of possibly not knowing what everyone else should need or use in my post aaages ago.

Secondly, I quite clearly AM representative of the "average" consumer, because the iPhone really appeals to me as I have made so blatantly obvious.

Midda: I take your points, but, to use Mongie's arguments, I honestly think that you are less representative of the average consumer than I am. Who doesn't check their emails once a day? Out of those people, getting a MMS taken with a 2MP camera isn't going to be much different from a 5MP camera.

My brother sent an MMS of his child after he was born while I was at work. It's the luxury of having it. I have heard your exact argument from a mate who hates mobile phones and says since when do you actually need a phone. It's true we don't need one but they're damn handy.

Mmmmmmmmmmmm pixelated bloody children

WTF? Dump that bitch! :)

Who wants pics of new borm babies ... they be ugly.

but most people have work emails...

Again, generalising.

Teachers - no work e-mail.
Taxi drivers, Couriers - no work e-mail.
Anyone who is a tradey - no work e-mail.

Sure, people work in offices... I do... but not everyone does, in fact... I'm sure less than half of all working Australians have a work e-mail address for personal use.

YOUR GIRLFRIEND DOES NOT REPRESENT WHAT THE AVERAGE CONSUMER WANTS

True... but she wants an iPhone... and she has a different opinion to you...

The market will decide.. lets see how many they sell :)

Just to apply that to what Midda said - clearly the market has decided they want better quality cameras, or else other manufacturers would not be putting 3.2MP and 5MP cameras into high end phones?

Just to apply that to what Midda said - clearly the market has decided they want better quality cameras, or else other manufacturers would not be putting 3.2MP and 5MP cameras into high end phones?

Right. And Apple don't want to sell many iPhones.

*high five TicMan. I know you always have my back.

my point was, if you had an iphone, you wouldn't need MMS. The original argument came up because someone said an iPhone problem was no MMS. I was saying, instead of MMS you could email the pic as soon as you took it. You lose nothing by not having MMS.

Well, until we have some better data rates in this country, uploading images via mobile networks would just get too damn expensive. My phone has a built in mail client which I could use to send MMS, iPhones aren't unique in that respect, but it's just not worth the extra cost to send.

Also, doesn't the iPhone only let you attach one file per email? I read that somewhere. That's a pretty silly limitation if true. I also read that you can't add multiple recipients for an SMS. That's downright stupid if true.

With the hoopla about the pricing of the iPhone it's reasonable to assume that Apple had a price point they needed to stick to which meant things like cutting out a 5MP camera, video capabilities, etc.

Anything software based like MMS is just odd since surely it'd be a small addition to the messaging software already on the phone. The only reasoning would be that they want people to use email (therefore data so the telcos can cash in a bit) and possibly that MobileMe service which will cost $xxx/yr.

And you work for a Government school?

I'm not anti or pro iPhone... I just take offense to individuals thinking that what they need or use is what everyone should need or use.

I couldn't care less if someone wants an iPhone or not. Its annoying when people who don't like iPhones try to put their 'iPhones are shit' view on everyone who *does* want an iPhone and clearly likes using their iPhone.

Oh and how many phones have 5MP cameras? A hell of a lot don't and like the N95/6 usually cost in order of a grand or more. The iPhone clearly doesnt cost a grand otherwise it probably *would* have a decent camera or other features.

Camera quality in phones has sucked regardless of resolution for a while. Most often they put shitty sensors in them and often have bad compression on the JPEGs they produce.

Just on the camera comment...

Pick the 5MP photo that has been resized and win a prize.

edit: also, agree w/ jmr re: megapixel. It means almost fuck all.

You're absolutley correct... Just look at my sample photos.

last edited by mongie at 15:28:34 10/Jun/08

I think its because people that actually know about the alternatives get sick of hearing Apple fanboys blow over how awesome their device is when it really isn't actually that awesome.

That's pretty much hit the mark. Comments like "haters are going to be scratching their heads looking for ways to lump shit on it" pretty much reek of fanboy-ism. I don't hate the iPhone, I never said I did, but I think it's worth noting that it's probably not as good as it's made out to be. Apple seems to have a knack for making people think the most mundane things are revolutionary.

The market is king. The consumer will decide if the product sinks or swims, it certainly has a different target audience.

i give merit to Apple for daring to be different, but they will have to pry my n95 out of my cold stiff hands.

Apple seems to have a knack for making people think the most mundane things are revolutionary.

Pretty much. But it still doesn't make it a bad product which people should apparently avoid because its made by Apple.

If you need MMS, video calling and whatnot, don't buy an iPhone. If, like me and other people like B.H, you particularly like the Mobile OSX operating system and its features and don't care for the missing 'features' then its our choice to go for the iPod/iPhone products.

last edited by ³dee at 15:43:15 10/Jun/08

Thing is, its got good 3rd party apps yes. it looks pretty cute yes. it can play music yes. but the actual phone function i think is worse then a standard mobile these days. Its chunkier, apparently the touch screen can be bumped in your pocket easily answering ur phone. stuff like that.

WHY ENTER AN IPHONE THREAD IF YOU DONT LIKE IPHONES-OF COURSE PEOPLE WILL BE GLOATING OVER THE NEW IPHONE

haha I'm just keeping it realz!

I'm pretty interested in the new iPhone, not because of 3g (snore) or any of the other shit, but just because of the appstore and the possibility that it will become a "real" competitor in the PDA market, which has been (imo) a little stagnant of late.

It's certainly given MS a kick in the ass (...for no real reason) and it will be going head to head with Android (which at this stage I'm fairly confident is going to be the ultimate mobile computing platform, as long as someone builds nice hardware for it).

Also, the iPhone interface is fast and is very intuitive. The Symbian OS is often laggy and slow when going through menus. It may not be bad in the N95 but I had an E65 a while ago that was slow at drawing its interface (you could often see it drawing parts of a new screen) which is a big annoyance.

I've actually been getting shitted off with my Touch lately because the fucking interface seems to be getting laggier and laggier... I don't know if it's cause I jailbroke it and the restore didn't properly work (I still have "Billy Fucking Hardball" scrolling in the top left of the screen - lol) or if it's meant to be like that.

Trog, at what point do Google start being the massive evil dictator and everyone starts loving MS again? Surely it has to happen soon?

Never! Google will save the world!

I've actually been getting shitted off with my Touch lately because the fucking interface seems to be getting laggier and laggier...

Every now and again my to-home-screen transition from an app lags out but mines jailbroken (1.1.4 - ZiPhone 3) and seems to be ok.

Nup. Only when I need to reboot cause they take fucken ages to boot.

OK, re availability. I checked with both Optpuss and Voda today. Optpuss wont have them until December because their network cant handle multimedia voice mail??? Sif hold back because of that....

Voda will have them toward the end of July. No word on confirmed pricing from either as yet though.

So does anyone outside of the Apple community actually use Objective-C? Be a total bitch having to learn all those libraries again..

That was one annoying thing about the SDK. No C++ :(

I mean.. wtf does this mean?!

@interface classname : superclass name
{
instance variables
}
+ classMethod1;
+(return_type) classMethod2;
+(return_type) classMethod3:(param1_type)parameter_varName;

-(return_type) instanceMethod1:(param1_type)param1_varName :(param2_type)param2_varName;
-(return_type) instanceMethod2WithParameter:(param1_type)param1_varName andOtherParameter:(param2_type)param2_varName;
@end

I really want one.

The new ones looks so much better, but I really would like one so that I can have my ipod touch and my phone in one device.

The keynote must be getting thrashed - keeps going shit

last edited by ³dee at 17:40:22 10/Jun/08

And you work for a Government school?

Ah Mongie, teachers employed by EQ have emails, they also have laptops now. Well, at least those employed in state primary schools on the north side do, like my Mum. Maybe those teachers that say they don't have email just don't know they do.

lol. you know what would be really handy? HOTMAIL WITH POP.

Microsoft: "Hey have you heard of this thing called POP3?"
Rest of the world: "Yeah, its been around for like 15 years"
Microsoft: "ORLY? Hmmm"

i was using pop3 on my hotmail account in 2000.

lol @ hotmail in general..

It's a pity this doesn't support Domino, this is a major gripe with Apple's "Enterprise" functions. Not everyone uses Exchange fuckers. At least it's got Cisco VPN, we'll see how good it works.

It's missing some features yes but it makes up for it in looks and useablity. My 6965 iPaq phone is sitting here collecting dust, Never again... But I do need something to replace my Nokia 8310, which I love I might add, why, cause it's a simple phone, no crazy BS you find it phones these days... simple but effective.

Do I really need an iPhone.. no.. but I'm going to buy one anyway. Will I use it for Work related activities.. no... I have a BlackBerry for this :)

ps I like toys.

It's only a problem for people not wanting to be locked into a contract.

Interestingly, friends of mine in Australia are all quite happy to get into a two year deal, if it means getting to finally own a fully functional, affordable iPhone.

Considering I only spend about $10 a month on my prepaid, this new sale/contract arrangement is not for me..

Telstra 3G is currently 5.1kb/cent but with the amount of data the iPhone/other devices pushes through it'd quickly stack up. I only use it for quick hotmail checks (mobile.live.com) on my phone but not much more.

The main reason for me would be to have the ipod and the phone in one device and know that Ive still got the iPod software (which fkn rocks btw - best mp3 firmware by far).

Yeah I tried rockbox on my iPod Video 5G. Its ok but I didn't really need any of its features. Though Linux on a touch would be interesting :P

The Mobile OSX iPod software really kicks arse though. Very intuitive and smooth interface especially with the funky but slightly gimicky CoverFlow. Only problem with CoverFlow on touch is that it always shows your whole library not just the current playlist's albums (unlike iTunes itself) but oh well.

Some of the games their making on iPhone 2.0 look sweet.

My bad. My spelling degrades while on forums.

My mother is a teacher... and she certainly doesn't have e-mail.

either way... the point remains that while a lot of people might have a work e-mail account... its certainly not "most people".

My mother is a teacher... and she certainly doesn't have e-mail.

I reckon if she asked, she actually does.

either way... the point remains that while a lot of people might have a work e-mail account... its certainly not "most people".

My brother, the most non-computer guy you could meet had email when he was working on a foundry floor. He spent most of his time welding and using profile cutting machines. I would hazard that most people have email, whether they used it or not is another story.

If this is related to the non-MMS capable iPhone, I agree that it's odd. I however have sent maybe 3 MMSs in my life and generally email photos and vids from my phone. That's not to say that I think the iPhone is the shiz. Seems to me like another overpriced and overhyped Apple item that will do astoundingly well despite its many drawbacks. It looks and behaves in a cool fashoin, so there'll be tons of techy girls gobbling that shit up...

In my book, the Iphone is a must-have.

I use my phone for making phone calls. And that's pretty much it. I'll send the occassional text message (like maybe 3-4 a month) and have never used anything like mms, video calls, using the rinternet, or any of that shiz. So Iphone not going so well for those features to me is of little or no consequence.

The reason the device is so must-have for me, is it combines 2 items I carry around currently (an ipod and a phone) into one. To me, nothing sounds better. When I'm driving I can plug it into the car for tunes, when I'm walking I can hook it up with my bluetooth sunnies (oakley O-Rokr's) and catch music that way, and all the time the same device will tell me if the boss is chasing me. Win!

The reason the device is so must-have for me, is it combines 2 items I carry around currently (an ipod and a phone) into one. To me, nothing sounds better. When I'm driving I can plug it into the car for tunes, when I'm walking I can hook it up with my bluetooth sunnies (oakley O-Rokr's) and catch music that way, and all the time the same device will tell me if the boss is chasing me. Win!

this is probably the best rationale for getting an iPhone I've seen yet.

Assuming current US prices are anything to go by, the iPhone is quite underpriced to what you'd expect from the features (which is sweet)

Yes, I look forward to those US prices being converted based on the current value of the Aussie dollar and us getting a great deal. No, really.

http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/communications/soa/Regional-users-Don-t-bother-with-the-iPhone/0,130061791,339289772,00.htm?feed=generic

While metropolitan iPhone users will enjoy full 3G speeds via Optus and Vodafone's 2100 MHz 3G network, the 900 MHz band the two carriers use to connect 3G users in regional Australia is not compatible with the iPhone. The phone will instead drop back to the significantly slower 2G/GPRS speeds.

Article explaining the limitations to the Optus & Vodafone 3G networks and compatability with the (most awesome) iPhone.

I don't think the iPhone is aimed at the "average consumer".

I think its aimed at (in priority order)

1) Mac Fanboys like you Billy
2) People who like expensive flashy toys
3) Smartphone buyers.
4) People who buy expensive phones.

The average consumer would buy a $200-400 phone and really only use it for SMS and phone calls.

when I'm walking I can hook it up with my bluetooth sunnies (oakley O-Rokr's) and catch music that way

I thought the bluetooth on the new iphone wasn't ad2p, so shit for doing this?

RE blutooth... I remember some shananigans about whether or not the iPhone works with all bluetooth accessories?? Can't remember the details and I might be thinking of the Touch.

The reason the device is so must-have for me, is it combines 2 items I carry around currently (an ipod and a phone) into one. To me, nothing sounds better. When I'm driving I can plug it into the car for tunes, when I'm walking I can hook it up with my bluetooth sunnies (oakley O-Rokr's) and catch music that way, and all the time the same device will tell me if the boss is chasing me. Win!

this is probably the best rationale for getting an iPhone I've seen yet.

THat's the main reason for me too, and everything else is just added bonus/incentive. The biggest drawback that opposes this though, is that the two are combined! What am I talking about?! I know it's crazy. I go to the gym with just my iPod where I can chill out and do nothing but listen to music... I don't really want to have people able to contact me at the same time (can I turn off the phone function?).

The other problem is the sheer size of the iPhone. It's considerably larger than any phone I've ever used before. I make the pocket-space sacrifice for my iPod now and then, but I know when I'm not listening to it I can chuck it in my bag or leave it lying around somewhere, unlike a phone which I generally like to keep on my person 24/7.

I don't think the iPhone is aimed at the "average consumer".

I think its aimed at (in priority order)

1) Mac Fanboys like you Billy
2) People who like expensive flashy toys
3) Smartphone buyers.
4) People who buy expensive phones.

I sorta agree with you, but point 1, I think it's just aimed at people who don't specifically HATE Apple, not specifically people who are fanboys.

The average consumer would buy a $200-400 phone and really only use it for SMS and phone calls.

Dude you're arguing the same thing I said ages ago and then got agro at me for saying it. And I don't think the average consumer buys a phone worth 200-400 outright. I think the average consumer would get a "free" phone on a contract, and people who buy their phone outright, on average, would spend between 100-200...

i have an 8gb m2 stick in my k850i... music player + phone

I think the difference between a phone like that and an iPhone that honestly makes people choose/want an iPhone is that it has an intergrated iPod. iPods are great and when you get used to using them and iTunes it's difficult to change back to the forces of good:(

Cool what's this mean ?



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where did you get that message

For everyone - please stop posting random error messages in threads. a) they're offtopic b) contrary to popular belief we don't read every fucking thread people post. If you get an error, we want to know about it, so shoot me a PM or start a new thread about it.

I'm just watching the keynote... wtf Loopt software!??! Track where your friends are whenever you want??? Holy shit iPhone for stalking ftw.

Umm will the next gen iPod Touches have GPS?? Fuck me I think I'd rather upgrade to a 32gig Touch if it has all the features minus phone...

Think it's just an extra hack/app to make an iPod Touch use it's Wireless to roughly triangulate it's location.

Can't remember, is the iPhone GPS an actual GPS or just that thing where you get your position based on references to nearby cell towers. From the keynote and the accurate positioning i'd guess it's full GPS.

Can anyone actually explain to me how the Touch calculates its location?

I know that I've never put my address into my wireless router...

Can anyone actually explain to me how the Touch calculates its location?

I know that I've never put my address into my wireless router...

Yeh I was going to just say "triangulation"... but still, how does it know where on google maps any of the signals are coming from!?

Wow, americans sure are ignorant.

"Whats $499 euro"

"He means 499 euro pounds"

HAAHHA

looks like mobileme and even the enterprise features attract additional costs:/ man i wish we could see the appstore already!

yeh that's per year i think... because you get 20gig of upload space or some shit. MobileMe looks like a massive rort for people who have no clue about how to use the internet

MMS can be 500k, last few phones from telstra *conveniently* are 300k max.

thats pretty common across the world, only now with windows mobile 6.1 have i seen 500k MMS size an option. On all previous WM5/6 builds i've used its always been 300k max.

does not mean it wont work on telstra if its being purchased outright tho.

Pretty sure for competition reasons they cannot lock devices to a particular network without at least a Chargeable option to unlock it.

Surely Apple Stores will sell the devices without contracts at some stage.(obviously not during early release period)

Well, if Telsa aint doing it then I can just switch to Vodafone prepaid and get one...

RE MMS
kinda think its a non issue given you could email, or as some are suggesting get an application addon.

@ 300k per MMS = > 3 MMS per 1mb (1mb = $2 Casual plan Telstra) 3mms = $1.50
@ 500k per mms = > 2 MMS per 1mb (1mb = $2 Casual Plan Telstra) 2 MMS = $1.00

MMS are charged at 75c per message from memory, it doesn't use any part of your data allowance.