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Guild Wars 2 All-in-one Thread
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
8161 posts
Guild Wars 2 pre-order head start begins tomorrow (25th August) at about 4pm AEST (bad math applied). I just grabbed a copy and downloading the client name - is anyone else playing?
















Member Account name Server
TicMan ticcles.2407 Sea of Sorrows
Glynd Gpdizzle.2396
Mordecai FallenMordecai.9018
Hogfather Hogfather.4816 Sea of Sorrows
Eorlfroodlemaster.9082
Tanaka KhanDarkkhan.5498Sea of Sorrows
deadlyfHarper.2304
TaipanTaipan.5896
KharakPoogay.6084
Boccaozboc.8972
Outlawlaw.8356
Bobaboba.4327
WobblzTommyWoblzz.2704Sea of Sorrows
VRBonesVRBones.5276Sea of Sorrows
Mephz Altze.3457
TimmehelfinliedSea of Sorrows
IvoninAramanthius.1456Sea of Sorrows
ZoidbergDrZoid.1892Sea of Sorrows
Evisspetee.2516
Reverend Evilreverendevil.7249
Taqtiktaqtik.3527Jade Quarry
DMserimorph.9016Sanctum of Rall
ravn0sravnos.4356
SipSipador.4729Sea of Sorrows
HaAceyalone.1384
RaskalnickoffRaskalnickoff.5218Sea of Sorrows
Phooksphooks.9841
infiinfin.9413
AgamemnonGrundfaust.6724Sea of Sorrows
MiddaMidda.2450Sea of Sorrows
LithiumLithium.6409Sea of Sorrows
DazhelDazwah.9075Sea of Sorrows
AnyOrian.2735
Kappakappa.6371


Eorl reports unofficial Oceanic server to be "Sea of Sorrows";
Sea of Sorrows is currently the unofficial Oceanic server and will be where my guild is going. The "official" US /vg/ guild was suppose to be going there but they chose a different server I believe.
Server list thanks to Tapian.

VRBones has setup a QGL Guild for those that are interested.
11:40pm 24/08/12 Permalink
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11:40pm 24/08/12 Permalink
glynd
Melbourne, Victoria
757 posts
Did a massive impulse buy this afternoon not realising pre-ordering allows you to play tomorrow haha. I didn't realise how awesome it was until i actually started doing some research.

Account: Gpdizzle.2396

and here's a countdown: 17 hours

http://www.guildwars2countdown.com/
11:53pm 24/08/12 Permalink
Tanaka Khan
Brisbane, Queensland
5305 posts
The account registration keeps failing for me
12:07am 25/08/12 Permalink
Tanaka Khan
Brisbane, Queensland
5306 posts
Something has f***ed up with my registration. It says I already have an account (which I don't) and won't allow me to reset said account.
12:28am 25/08/12 Permalink
eXemplar
Brisbane, Queensland
2795 posts
I haven't played any of the betas but am downloading the client now to give this a bash, hope it holds my interest a little longer than the secret world.
01:06am 25/08/12 Permalink
Taipan
USA
3801 posts
Ill be all over this tomorrow and am very much looking forward to it. Hope everyone enjoys it :-)
01:33am 25/08/12 Permalink
Mordecai
Victoria
1421 posts
Also did an impulse buy yesterday.

Account name: FallenMordecai.9018
07:46am 25/08/12 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
8162 posts
Impulse for me too, have been trying to get back into gaming over the past fortnight but nothing I've already got is appealing. Hopefully GW2 has something different about it to keep me entertained.
08:54am 25/08/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12662 posts
Hogfather.4816
09:06am 25/08/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7340 posts
Been waiting for this since Guild Wars 1, can not wait. My account name is froodlemaster.9082 however I won't be on until tomorrow, I have to celebrate my 21st tonight. Funny thing is all my friends that have and will be playing Guild Wars 2 are going to be at my party, so we all start at the same time tomorrow.

Also, just a little self advertising, I'll be running a guild with a few friends. You can check out the website over here if you want, we are just going to be a semi-hardcore guild.
09:24am 25/08/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15778 posts
where can i buy it cheap?
09:27am 25/08/12 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
17127 posts
I have to celebrate my 21st tonight. Funny thing is all my friends that have and will be playing Guild Wars 2 are going to be at my party, so we all start at the same time tomorrow.


thought you'd be celebrating by playing GW2 bro
09:38am 25/08/12 Permalink
Tanaka Khan
Brisbane, Queensland
5307 posts
Finally got it registered.

Account name - Darkkhan.5498
09:49am 25/08/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7342 posts
thought you'd be celebrating by playing GW2 bro

Heh, don't think family and friends would like that. I'll be doing that on Monday though for my actual birthday, smashing people's faces with my Asura Necro.

Rav, GreenManGaming has it at the cheapest right now, use the coupon DERHE-RRDER-RINGE and it puts it to $48 for standard.
09:53am 25/08/12 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
17128 posts
aren't you like sipping cordial and having fairy bread as it is?

can't remember who it was on here said they were doing something completely hilarious for their 21st not that long ago like a lan or something for their 21st
09:55am 25/08/12 Permalink
deadlyf
Queensland
2752 posts
God damn it. Haven't had a game to play for weeks and have been hanging out for the Guildwars head start but this morning I get a beta invite to Firefall in my email.

Harper.2304 for my guildwars name
09:59am 25/08/12 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
8163 posts
I ended up just buying it from the GW2 site for US$59 - a couple of the CD key places had it maybe up to $5 cheaper but I figured I'd just go straight to the source. One of the key sites I've used is a painful process and always ends up with me chasing them, them having to phone, me having to send a photo copy of my license, etc.
10:31am 25/08/12 Permalink
Taipan
USA
3802 posts
Name Taipan.5896

They have a Server list which they put up around a week or so ago.

If I remember correctly my wife wants us to join Dragonbrand since some of her old Rift guildies will be on it.


PS Ticman put all in one in the thread title before someone else does it.

last edited by Taipan at 11:11:06 25/Aug/12
11:08am 25/08/12 Permalink
Kharak
Brisbane, Queensland
478 posts
Account name is Poogay.6084

What server is everyone rolling on? Got a few mates that ill be playing with and not sure on what server to go on.
11:12am 25/08/12 Permalink
Tanaka Khan
Brisbane, Queensland
5308 posts
Yea, will need a server recommendation.
11:18am 25/08/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7344 posts
Sea of Sorrows is currently the unofficial Oceanic server and will be where my guild is going. The "official" US /vg/ guild was suppose to be going there but they chose a different server I believe.
11:23am 25/08/12 Permalink
Taipan
USA
3803 posts
If i had to choose a server base on just the name alone id pick Blackgate. It has that ominous kind of sound to it
11:24am 25/08/12 Permalink
bocca
Sydney, New South Wales
10 posts
ozboc.8972

Brought the collectors version from Eb games but they didnt have the code for the early start.
$180 wasted /sigh !!

Will be on Sos server
11:45am 25/08/12 Permalink
Outlaw
Gold Coast, Queensland
2109 posts
law.8356
11:57am 25/08/12 Permalink
boba
Cainer
Brisbane, Queensland
3728 posts
boba.4327

Was going to roll on sea of sorrows but don't know anyone playing yet.
12:04pm 25/08/12 Permalink
deeper
Brisbane, Queensland
4119 posts
thinking about getting it boba, any of the other guys in?

(just resubbed daoc today though, lol)
12:10pm 25/08/12 Permalink
Woblzz
Queensland
68 posts
TommyWoblzz.2704 Lets hope the ping isnt too horrible!
12:13pm 25/08/12 Permalink
boba
Cainer
Brisbane, Queensland
3729 posts
thinking about getting it boba, any of the other guys in?

(just resubbed daoc today though, lol)

Only pharcyde so far
12:14pm 25/08/12 Permalink
deadlyf
Queensland
2754 posts
I like the way they run servers in Guildwars, in the beta if a server was over crowded they had an overflow server so instead of sitting at the login screen looking at your number in the queue you'd be able to play right away.

I didn't make any characters on SoS during the beta because high pop servers normally mean long queues but these guys have got it right in that area.

It's one of those things where once someone comes out and does it, it not only seems like the most obvious thing in the world, all other games that don't do it seem outdated and s*** in comparison.
12:56pm 25/08/12 Permalink
Timmeh
Brisbane, Queensland
2440 posts
there is talk of the servers opening earlier.
3 hours earlier for those who have pre purchased is today. at 2pm AEST. if not we have to wait til 5.
01:01pm 25/08/12 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
8164 posts
deadlyf - so you get to play an alt or your own toon but in a limited capacity (can't group or something) ?
01:10pm 25/08/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12666 posts
I like the way they run servers in Guildwars, in the beta if a server was over crowded they had an overflow server so instead of sitting at the login screen looking at your number in the queue you'd be able to play right away

Mild tangent, but I was just thinking of this sort of thing with DOTA2.

When they push an update, nobody is even logged out usually. The new server is brought online, games stop being made on the current servers, and you have to patch to create a new game so you can connect to the updated servers. This weekly 10 hours maintenance s*** is hopefully on the way out.

They're doing so many things in DOTA2 much, much better than Blizzard's Battle.net platform.
01:13pm 25/08/12 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
19078 posts
green man gaming has a 20% off at the moment, get the code off their facebook site. i bought it but can't access the download yet.
01:16pm 25/08/12 Permalink
VRBones
Sunshine Coast, Queensland
901 posts
The only thing about the overflow servers were issues with teaming up or guilding up in highly populated areas. Hopefullly they have a solution in place for that one.

account:
VRBones.5276
01:31pm 25/08/12 Permalink
VRBones
Sunshine Coast, Queensland
902 posts
Servers are live ...
02:04pm 25/08/12 Permalink
deadlyf
Queensland
2755 posts
deadlyf - so you get to play an alt or your own toon but in a limited capacity (can't group or something) ?
Not 100% sure to be honest. You play whatever character you want, there are other people running around killing s*** and nothing seems different.

I believe each area has it's own server, so if you zone into an area and it is full you just get moved into the overflow for that area so it's not like there is one or two big world servers like in WoW.

Grouping wasn't a big thing, you get xp for helping out other players and with the way events work you don't need to be grouped to complete them. I didn't do any dungeons or anything, don't even know what they are like, was just trying to explore as much of the game world as I could in the limited time I had to play.

I didn't test it myself but apparently you can port players in your group to your server and you can add people from completely different world servers to your group and port them in. Bit hazy on the details of that too though, maybe someone else here can give more info.
02:12pm 25/08/12 Permalink
tHeBoRg
Gippsland, Victoria
82 posts
It's up...
02:14pm 25/08/12 Permalink
Mephz
Brisbane, Queensland
1154 posts
I just bought it so I think I missed out on the 3 day headstart and only get 1 day headstart?

Boo, ah well :(

Altze.3457
02:20pm 25/08/12 Permalink
Nerfy
Brisbane, Queensland
6353 posts
Hey guys I just got the old republic and!... oh... Australian servers abandoned for guild wars release. :P
02:20pm 25/08/12 Permalink
Tanaka Khan
Brisbane, Queensland
5309 posts
Tani Khan on Sea of Sorrows...Woot!
02:33pm 25/08/12 Permalink
Timmeh
Brisbane, Queensland
2441 posts
im on sea of sorrows
add elfinlied
02:46pm 25/08/12 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
8165 posts
Sea of Sorrows is already full - can't join it :(

What's alternative unofficial Oceanic server?

Edit: I went Dragonbrand
03:04pm 25/08/12 Permalink
Ivonin
Brisbane, Queensland
1096 posts
Aramanthius.1456
03:09pm 25/08/12 Permalink
glynd
Melbourne, Victoria
759 posts
f*** :( was ready to go ages ago but sister poppped over. FINALLY got to log in and Sea of Sorrows full .... faaark!!
03:09pm 25/08/12 Permalink
Eds
Brisbane, Queensland
9948 posts
Anyone else getting connection issues every now and then?
03:09pm 25/08/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12667 posts
f*** :( was ready to go ages ago but sister poppped over. FINALLY got to log in and Sea of Sorrows full .... faaark!!

I thought that wasn't sposed to happen? If I start on another server can I play with the char on SoS later?
03:11pm 25/08/12 Permalink
deadlyf
Queensland
2756 posts
Anyone else getting connection issues every now and then?
lol yeah, it's pretty unplayable for me.

Decided to just make a few chars until it settles down.
03:16pm 25/08/12 Permalink
VRBones
Sunshine Coast, Queensland
903 posts
Got into Sea of Sorrows but LANmates can't :(
03:19pm 25/08/12 Permalink
Tanaka Khan
Brisbane, Queensland
5310 posts
Making toons and getting names until it settles down too
03:21pm 25/08/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12668 posts
Every f*****g MMO since dot the AU servers are f***ed lol.

When will they learn? Sure, don't give us local servers if you are tightarses, but badge A FEW SERVERS as 'Oceanic' before you end up with a clusterf***.
03:23pm 25/08/12 Permalink
Mephz
Brisbane, Queensland
1155 posts
Ill roll sea of sorrows wen i can play :)
03:28pm 25/08/12 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
8166 posts
Got no connection problems here in the ~10 mins I've been online
03:28pm 25/08/12 Permalink
VRBones
Sunshine Coast, Queensland
904 posts
Scratch that, all are in Sea of Sorrows, it just dropped down to High pop.
03:32pm 25/08/12 Permalink
deadlyf
Queensland
2757 posts
Yeah I made a Norn Char and haven't had any connection problems since. Human areas were flooded though.

Made a hunter named Bob Hawke
04:11pm 25/08/12 Permalink
Jim
UK
13057 posts
lol deeper that's a bit of a laugh, what brought that on
04:46pm 25/08/12 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
8167 posts
I don't get the overflow server thing, I've spent most of the game in an overflow zone but it seems no different to actually playing a game?
06:55pm 25/08/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19802 posts
Is overflow server just another name for instancing? If its pretty much exactly the same as being on the "real" server, it just sounds like another instance of the world. What happens if the overflow server is full? Is there an overflow for the overflow?
07:03pm 25/08/12 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
8168 posts

Let me explain what an overflow server is and what it does. It is a technology we also use as our version of a queuing system. When a map or a world you want to log into is at capacity limit, the game will ask you if you want to play on an overflow server – so you can actually play while you are in a queue. Once space opens on your world, the game will ask you if you want to join your friends on your world. And you keep all the progress you made while you were playing on the overflow server.
http://www.guildwarsinsider.com/arenanet-explains-server-overflow-mechanic/

So it's a completely normal game but just not your home server. I guess they must be instancing people over to low pop servers rather than have a queueing system - means we get to play and they don't get to waste money on hardware resources.
07:15pm 25/08/12 Permalink
eXemplar
Brisbane, Queensland
2797 posts
So anyone got an Ausgamers/QGL guild going? :P
07:26pm 25/08/12 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
8169 posts
Got a small one on Dragonbrand with Hog, Zapo and I. Open to anyone who's interested.
07:28pm 25/08/12 Permalink
WirlWind
Central Coast, New South Wales
322 posts
can't remember who it was on here said they were doing something completely hilarious for their 21st not that long ago like a lan or something for their 21st


I had an 8 man LAN for my 18th.

All sorts of f***ed up stuff happened, from fire extinguisher fights to putting (about 5 guys worth) loose pubes in a guys keyboard and making him rage out.

Best 18th ever.

As for GW2, meh. I skipped the whole hype train so I'll give it a few weeks and see how it's faring once everyone's played it all.
07:38pm 25/08/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15780 posts
so what's most fun class to play? i would probably role a thief, necromancer or elementalist if i purchased the game.
07:51pm 25/08/12 Permalink
Jack
Sydney, New South Wales
46 posts
08:15pm 25/08/12 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
8170 posts
I'm playing a necro, only level 6 but it's a lot of fun. The spell/skill system is really neat how it changes with your weapons, etc.
08:30pm 25/08/12 Permalink
Taipan
USA
3804 posts
Totally agree Ticman i am playing a necro myself and at this stage have a soft spot for the staff related skills. Lvl 6 and a half atm
09:04pm 25/08/12 Permalink
Mordecai
Victoria
1422 posts
Playing on Sea of Sorrows.

A Norn warrior as my first class. Currently have an axe and shield having fun bashing skulls.

The "events" that happen as you run around are kinda fun and varied. Held off some wild Minotaur, stopped some egg thieves, killed some giant chickens.

Also the login sever decided to die so had to stop playing.
09:06pm 25/08/12 Permalink
glynd
Melbourne, Victoria
760 posts
originally was going to go engineer but played thief. so much fun. essentially you're nightcrawler pirate wielding a dagger and pistol.
09:07pm 25/08/12 Permalink
Trauma
Melbourne, Victoria
2867 posts
Yea I got booted off, said incorrect password, now I got a 502 error on trying to get back onto the website... but before that it changed the site to german... a bit worrying.
09:23pm 25/08/12 Permalink
bocca
Sydney, New South Wales
11 posts
9:15pm I got booted and now the log-in server says..Unable to gain access at this time(crash)
09:39pm 25/08/12 Permalink
glynd
Melbourne, Victoria
761 posts
they're aware of it ... happened to mate and myself.

http://www.facebook.com/GuildWars2
"We are aware of issues with server connectivity. We will keep you up to date with our progress. ~DO"
09:43pm 25/08/12 Permalink
Mordecai
Victoria
1423 posts
Guild Wars website says they are under heavy load and monitoring the situation. Yay! :|
09:43pm 25/08/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15781 posts
wow the thief is so acrobatic.
09:51pm 25/08/12 Permalink
Timmeh
Brisbane, Queensland
2442 posts
https://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/12/8/20/17P416S5kEmW_5s7BnHJmA2.jpg
don't worry guys, the arenanet techs are on it...

09:51pm 25/08/12 Permalink
Mephz
Brisbane, Queensland
1157 posts
Haven't been able to log in :(
Getting the error message
"The game client is unable to gain access to the log-in server at this time. This is most commonly caused by firewall or router settings, security applications, or connecting through a campus network. For additional support, please visit http://support.guildwars2.com"

darn :(
09:53pm 25/08/12 Permalink
Taqtik
Melbourne, Victoria
37 posts
Same problem here as well :(
09:56pm 25/08/12 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
8171 posts
Oh man, wifey just went to bed early too.. boo!
09:57pm 25/08/12 Permalink
glynd
Melbourne, Victoria
762 posts
https://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/12/8/20/17P416S5kEmW_5s7BnHJmA2.jpg don't worry guys, the arenanet techs are on it...


officially lost my s*** at that video hahaha
09:57pm 25/08/12 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
8172 posts
I heard Isle of Janthir is the second unofficial Oceanic server - confirm/deny?
10:08pm 25/08/12 Permalink
Trauma
Melbourne, Victoria
2868 posts
Whats the first, I'm on Anvil Rock.
10:10pm 25/08/12 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
8173 posts
Sea of Sorrows from what I've been reading.
10:12pm 25/08/12 Permalink
Taipan
USA
3805 posts
Ticman i see you and Hoggy are on Dragonbrand the same as myself.

My chars are
Main - Necro - Rigga Mortis
Alt - Warrior - Taipanic
Alt - Mesmer - Tripinn
10:15pm 25/08/12 Permalink
glynd
Melbourne, Victoria
763 posts
I'm on Sea of Sorrows
10:28pm 25/08/12 Permalink
Timmeh
Brisbane, Queensland
2443 posts
officially lost my s*** at that video hahaha

i thought it was hilarious
10:34pm 25/08/12 Permalink
deadlyf
Queensland
2758 posts
That heavy volume excuse smacks of bulls***. Unless they are being DDoS'd there is no way their servers should be so s*** as to not be able to handle any period that isn't US peak time, especially during the head start.

All of the classes seem really fun early on, the ones I've played anyway. I did find the thief frustrating though at times, especially when in areas with bandits. They are stacked just close enough that you can't fight one without drawing in another and most of the time they are ranged which means you get in a lot of trouble as a glass cannon melee.
10:42pm 25/08/12 Permalink
eXemplar
Brisbane, Queensland
2798 posts
Well I got to level 8 on some leaf thing as a guardian, seemed fun while it lasted before I got booted and can't log back in.
11:19pm 25/08/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4916 posts
I'm leveling a thief as main and Necro as an alt. As deadlyf said there are times when being a thief is hard due to not much defence but with leaping death blossom (I think that's it's name) x3 that's enough to put some serious damage output.

EDIT - I also love that sesame street video.

last edited by DM at 23:37:04 25/Aug/12
11:34pm 25/08/12 Permalink
Mephz
Brisbane, Queensland
1159 posts
Ahh so what's the go with server fullness? Can't create on Sea of Sorrows or DragonBrand.

Is this a 'currently playing right now' pop is full and I can try my luck later to create/play?
Or is this a "piss off maximum created characters on this server" kind of full?

Oh so I was going to just create on another server to play but if you create on another server it becomes your home world for PvP.
Yeah bugger that I guess I'm not playing until they increase the pop cap or something because it's a bit of a joke that 71.4% of the american servers are inaccessible due to 'full' and the remaining 28.6% are on HIGH already in pre-access.

last edited by Mephz at 09:15:47 26/Aug/12
09:06am 26/08/12 Permalink
VRBones
Sunshine Coast, Queensland
905 posts
I was able to start on Sea of Sorrows, move off to another world when our LAN group couldn't all get in to SoS, then all move back when we found the pop dropped. All for 'free'.

My guess is that the cost is either going to be associated with the levels of your toons (mine were only lv.2) or allowing people to move freely for the first couple of days until they are settled.

It's critical for WvW that the world pops are somewhat balanced, but there's been a couuple of times when I've seen Sea of Sorrows drop down into the high territory, so you'd probably be able to start somewhere and keep an eye on the pop limits for a move.
09:21am 26/08/12 Permalink
Timmeh
Brisbane, Queensland
2444 posts
I was able to start on Sea of Sorrows, move off to another world when our LAN group couldn't all get in to SoS, then all move back when we found the pop dropped. All for 'free'.

My guess is that the cost is either going to be associated with the levels of your toons (mine were only lv.2) or allowing people to move freely for the first couple of days until they are settled.

It's critical for WvW that the world pops are somewhat balanced, but there's been a couuple of times when I've seen Sea of Sorrows drop down into the high territory, so you'd probably be able to start somewhere and keep an eye on the pop limits for a move.

Server swaps are balance with WvWvW. If you swap servers you cant PvP for a week. To stop server stacking.
09:41am 26/08/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15783 posts
is the UI moddable?
10:03am 26/08/12 Permalink
Keato
Melbourne, Victoria
530 posts
Hi welcome to early start.

All servers are full, that will be all, no option to create anything.

Lolz
10:47am 26/08/12 Permalink
Trauma
Melbourne, Victoria
2869 posts
is the UI moddable?

I changed the size...
11:28am 26/08/12 Permalink
Mordecai
Victoria
1424 posts
I changed the size...

I moved the chat window and then put it back.
12:15pm 26/08/12 Permalink
VRBones
Sunshine Coast, Queensland
906 posts
Server swaps are balance with WvWvW. If you swap servers you cant PvP for a week. To stop server stacking.

I've been able to PvP and WvW after the swaps, so I guess the limitations are not in effect yet.
12:24pm 26/08/12 Permalink
Mordecai
Victoria
1425 posts
Things I do like -

Shared stash from the beginning of the game. Found an awesome gun that my warrior couldn't use so threw it in the bank and then made a engineer who went and grabbed it out. No emailing the item to myself so I have it.

Being able to check my email/messages right away without having to hunt down a mail box. So good.

The way point system.
12:34pm 26/08/12 Permalink
VRBones
Sunshine Coast, Queensland
907 posts
[0QGL] has been set up on Sea of Sorrows, I've invited all on the list above that seem to be on SoS, but feel free to send me a message if you want in. VRBones.5276
12:39pm 26/08/12 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
8174 posts
A couple of us moved to the Isle of Jansir from Dragonbrand. Although it seems like your home server only really matters if you're doing WvWvW .. plus you can join multiple guilds and across servers too.
12:53pm 26/08/12 Permalink
Taipan
USA
3807 posts
I have to say that what stands out to me so far is the annoying s*** thats absent from the game like not having enough space in your bank for mats. There is like three pages with predetermined spots for all your mats. My wife is a hardcore crafter and absolutely loves that. The lack of people fighting over mobs and mats is another annoying as s*** thing this game doesnt have not to mention the lack of any kind of queue for anything.

I can see this game being better than most based on nothing more than not having what seems like the bulk of annoying time wasting s*** other games just dont seem to be able to exist without.
01:52pm 26/08/12 Permalink
Phooks
Brisbane, Queensland
2356 posts
Just bought it from green man gaming, looks like i have to wait for the 29th :/
02:13pm 26/08/12 Permalink
Trauma
Melbourne, Victoria
2870 posts
Just bought it from green man gaming, looks like i have to wait for the 29th :/

Yes, it does clearly say as much on GMG.
02:52pm 26/08/12 Permalink
Taipan
USA
3808 posts
My brother in law just bought it off the guild wars site and he is playing right now.
02:56pm 26/08/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7345 posts
Got onto Sea of Sorrows this morning, it is marked as heavy but didn't get any notifications of overflow server. I'll be making my guild soon, just need a silver -_-

Great game though, they have really polished it well since the last beta event, and for being on a US server it still seems very quick to respond and I can't even tell if it is lagging.
02:57pm 26/08/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12670 posts
Level 12 Ranger now, some thoughts.

- Combat is fun but does feel a little spammy sometimes. At least early on it seems more about mashing keys than being tactical, I imagine this will change as difficulty increases.
- Camera will take some time to get used to, its not a big issue and the controls will be familiar, its just a little unique in how it 'feels'. There's a fair bit of platforming to get vista rewards so you'll want to master it.
- A few server glitches that will hopefully be fixed quickly.
- Lack of trade UI is weird you can't just hand someone something, you have to mail it. That said, when the mail system works, its fast and easy so its no biggy.

Those are pretty much all my issues at the moment.

- Being able to dodge is great. There's a lot more emphasis on looking after yourself, even in groups (no dedicated healers!) and they've made a lot of interesting changes to combat flow.

- Very few abilities require you to stand in one place, its actually a very bad idea to do so. There's still unit selection so you don't have to target, but I've spent a lot of time in combat on the run which is fun.

- It really feels like someone has taken a good look at the dopier parts of MMO gaming and just ground them off. I've played a LOT of MMOs over the years, and the last time I spent a lot of time going 'oh wow that's awesome' about improvements in the gameplay was (dare I say it) the wow beta. I can't overstate this point, they just got it right in so many ways I can't count or list.

- The promise of a flat curve seems to be true.

- You can group with someone 30 levels lower than you, it just seamlessly scales you down to the area they are playing through. This is a crazy good idea, and it also means you can do the starting zones of other races at level 30 as you gain good exp due to scaling, and its still challenging!

- Class abilities are bound to the weapon type (sword, axe, gun etc), unlocked quite quickly as you use the weapon. It really works very well, and you have the ability to hot-swap weapons to activate another weapon set.

- No dedicated healers!

- The malleable, persistent world thing kind of works as advertised, but its not perfect. You will see some repeated events, sometimes the event awkwardly fires a few minutes after you complete it. It kind of harms the whole thing they were pushing about making permanent change to the world state, but its not a huge deal.
Its miles and miles and miles above the ? paradigm. Instead of walking into a quest hub and clicking on quest givers, the region you enter has stuff for you to do, usually for a local leader. But the whole ? thing is f*****g gone, hopefully to NEVER return, and good riddance.

- When working in the world, you don't really need to group. There's no kill stealing in any shape or form, which makes a huge change to the way you play. Its crazy I know, but you can HELP people, and seeing another person while you are trying to kill MobTypeX doesn't ignite the mine-mine-mine-back-off-c*** thing over spawns.

- For a game with a box fee and no subscription its a very solid and polished MMO.

- You earn good exp with everything you do, be it exploring and getting new 'vista' points, levelling tradeskills, completing <3 events, there's always something to do.

- Overflow system is a little annoying but is much better than broken start areas at launch.

There's more, but yeh. So far its a really solid couple of trotters up from me :)
03:00pm 26/08/12 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
8175 posts

I can see this game being better than most based on nothing more than not having what seems like the bulk of annoying time wasting s*** other games just dont seem to be able to exist without.


Yep agreed. When I found the collectible area in the bank slots I was blown away - such a simple idea yet completely avoids all the pain with storing gear in your bank & bags. My only grievance is that you need the items on you when crafting, rather than it pulling it from your bank/collectible area.

I like how the zones and areas are organised, with the big empty hearts saying "Come over here and do this quest bit" rather than running around finding guys with exclamation marks on their heads. Even though 99% of it is mob killing, it doesn't feel like a grind (atm).

The main abilities still surprises me. I picked up a 2H staff and got all giggity about learning new abilities and how to use it effectively for mob killing.
03:02pm 26/08/12 Permalink
deadlyf
Queensland
2759 posts
Yeah I love the resources stuff, both the collection storage for it and the fact that you don't have to compete with other people for nodes. I've been doing a bit of crafting, it's great that it gives you xp and that you can access all of your storage while doing it.

I've got to get used to dodging. A few times now I've died to mobs that have abilities that just tear down health and every time I completely forget to use dodge and just try and run out of range, which never works as I die to fast.

Got my first 2h weapon on my warrior and loving it, so much carnage.
03:04pm 26/08/12 Permalink
VRBones
Sunshine Coast, Queensland
908 posts
- The malleable, persistent world thing kind of works as advertised, but its not perfect. You will see some repeated events, sometimes the event awkwardly fires a few minutes after you complete it. It kind of harms the whole thing they were pushing about making permanent change to the world state, but its not a huge deal.


As you get into the higher areas, they take the trainer wheels off the dynamic events and they are far more reaching. That said, returning to areas that you've experienced an epic dynamic event does take the shine off it a little.
03:39pm 26/08/12 Permalink
Taipan
USA
3809 posts
How frigging painless is the crafting? Its pretty damn nice, so nice in fact i am going actually do it for a change
05:16pm 26/08/12 Permalink
Kimbo
Melbourne, Victoria
524 posts
As you get into the higher areas, they take the trainer wheels off the dynamic events and they are far more reaching. That said, returning to areas that you've experienced an epic dynamic event does take the shine off it a little.


I'd take off the training wheels and f*****g run with it.
05:38pm 26/08/12 Permalink
Kimbo
Melbourne, Victoria
525 posts
Surprise surprise... The pre-order MoPing crowd liking Guild Wars 2... Well well well.... Isn't that extra ordinary.

Pardon me while I get my irony, cynical attitude and run with it. Let alone my flameproof suit. Anyway have fun. After all you got to have FUN right?
05:42pm 26/08/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7346 posts
Man this game is beautiful. The Asura starting area is just amazing in what is going on; people running around commanding their mechanical golems, enemies attacking main towns on whim, beautiful futuristic temple like buildings that are filled with people. The whole atmosphere is just something I haven't seen in so long, and it is so nice to finally have a new world, and nicer graphics then WoW.

Not saying graphics make a game though, just it is nice to finally look at something other then Durotar. Also there are some really funny conversations going on, makes the world feel really alive. Just watched some student program her golem to spy on some kids to figure out what they were doing, quite liked it.
05:53pm 26/08/12 Permalink
Kimbo
Melbourne, Victoria
526 posts
I've been able to PvP and WvW after the swaps, so I guess the limitations are not in effect yet.


When they get "everyone settled"
06:20pm 26/08/12 Permalink
Mephz
Brisbane, Queensland
1160 posts
Well I managed to get onto Sea of Sorrows.
Played to about level 5.
Awesome. At first I was a bit weary but once I worked out what the 'out or range' red bar below icons and got used to things. Lovin' it.

Male Asura Elementalist. I like the idea of weapon type effecting the type of spells/abilities you have.
As an ele if you equip offhand/mainhand weapon like a dagger for example you get weaker spells that fire off much faster and at shorter ranges (as an example). Less damage and shorter CC but more frequently.

All in all, very cool so far. Loved Guild Wars 1 and with GW2 being less instanced and no sub I can see me playing it for awhile!
06:42pm 26/08/12 Permalink
Zoidberg
Brisbane, Queensland
80 posts
Playing an Elementalist plant thing. Level 10 atm, thought i had it all figured out, then i changed from a staff to a Scepter and all my spells changed, now i gotta learn new s*** . Having fun tho, much more than MoP Beta which i played panda starting area then lost all urge to ever log in again.

Character - Cyndel Xarle
Acc - DrZoid.1892
Server - Sea of Sorrows
07:49pm 26/08/12 Permalink
evıs
Brisbane, Queensland
6584 posts
spetee.2516
08:21pm 26/08/12 Permalink
Alize`
Brisbane, Queensland
1675 posts
I couldn't get on Sea of Sorrows it was full when I tried. I'm on Yak's Bend. I'm an Elementalist plant thing too Zoidberg. Pretty cool to play with. I just started today and don't really know what I'm doing yet.
08:33pm 26/08/12 Permalink
Reverend Evil
Wynnum, Queensland
20852 posts
Decided to grab a copy. It's only $80 and if it sucks then no biggy. Now to play the waiting game as it downloads...

reverendevil.7249
10:40pm 26/08/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4917 posts
I love that everyone is so helpful. If you die, chances are someone will res you if they happen to run past. I love it. I'm playing on Sanctum of Rall, 20 thief. Got a 47% crit rate which I think is awesome when you combine it with the flat out crazy damage of Caltrops. Not sure if they are bugged but they will continue to stack bleeding stacks, maybe 2 or 3 every second, so long as a target stays on them. That with Death Blossom you are looking at 12 - 15 stacks at all times.

Also a huge tip for those who don't know. SAVE ALL BLUES YOU FIND. Even armor. There is a fountain in Lion's Arch where you can put any 4 of the same rarity in, and it'll spit out a random item back at you. I put in some random axes and warhorns and got a Lv 14 green scepter for my necro which has a 10% chance to cast lightning strike on the target. Same goes for armor, you may get some awesome stuff from this.
11:17pm 26/08/12 Permalink
Taqtik
Melbourne, Victoria
38 posts
taqtik.3527

Server Name: Jade Quarry
11:33pm 26/08/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4918 posts
Oh, and also my info

serimorph.9016
Sanctum of Rall
11:36pm 26/08/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7348 posts
Also a huge tip for those who don't know. SAVE ALL BLUES YOU FIND. Even armor. There is a fountain in Lion's Arch where you can put any 4 of the same rarity in, and it'll spit out a random item back at you. I put in some random axes and warhorns and got a Lv 14 green scepter for my necro which has a 10% chance to cast lightning strike on the target. Same goes for armor, you may get some awesome stuff from this.
You should also be keeping blue items for salvaging, as you can get some high level salvage items for crafting through them, without having to buy them from commodity store or vendors.

Loving these events, they are just so unique and fun. Myself and 3 other guys were venturing into Charr territory and we came across this massive open boss, he was literally 20 feet tall, and was just spewing out AoE damage, really made the dodging skill extra useful. There were at least 100 people helping out, was hilarious when we had to move around because anything in our way was destroyed instantly.

http://i.imgur.com/9I1dr.jpg
12:46am 27/08/12 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
6037 posts
:s i watched a video of someone highlighting this game and talking about it and going through the elements...

I came to the conclusion that it's essentailly a lot like rift if it bread with warhammer and then had WoW as a distant rich godfather and this is the spawn of a full generational gap difference between what was out.

After d3, i'm half tempted to get this.. but it could mean that my life might just end into what happened with WoW if it's really as good as what i think it is and what people say.

I think my life is awesome right now so i'm gonna wait... maybe

edit: though on the otherside the levelling system suggests that it won't matter if i keep up with my friends, or not, and as far as i can tell they're not promising that the endgame offers something better. I liked that about wow but its promise also sucked my time as if my soul itself was necessary to fill the void between the monthly payments and the expectation of the game.
01:09am 27/08/12 Permalink
Reverend Evil
Wynnum, Queensland
20853 posts
Just gave it a quick bash and it's alright. I'm not sold on it yet. The combat feels gumby, like you fight stuff but it doesn't have a nice feel like you're actually doing damage. Just continually hitting a button and watching the enemy health bar go down. Maybe it gets better. There's two things I judge a game on. Controls and combat. So far it's reminding me a lot like Rift which I found extremely boring but I hope this game proves me wrong.

I'm playing a Charr necromancer atm.
08:44am 27/08/12 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
8176 posts
I'm a level 15 necro and still coming to terms with the combat (particularly staff abilities). I noticed that once Traits open up and your gear gets better, the combat starts to become different than just a spam fest. I wouldn't say there is a rotation or a combo yet but there's elements of "skill" coming into it.

For example, with a staff I have to lay down traps which trigger for both foes and allies. The placement of the traps, trying to pull mobs into them, etc adds to the complexity a smidge.
09:39am 27/08/12 Permalink
glynd
Melbourne, Victoria
764 posts
Just gave it a quick bash and it's alright. I'm not sold on it yet. The combat feels gumby, like you fight stuff but it doesn't have a nice feel like you're actually doing damage. Just continually hitting a button and watching the enemy health bar go down. Maybe it gets better. There's two things I judge a game on. Controls and combat. So far it's reminding me a lot like Rift which I found extremely boring but I hope this game proves me wrong.I'm playing a Charr necromancer atm.


I found it gets really interesting when you start switching weapons and doing combos. one thing i've loving about rogue is dagger/pistol. blackpowder -> heartseeker combo gives stealth which then leads to backstab or if things are hairy, use that stealth to get some distance and pull out dual pistols.

i love the weapon system. problem is finding a combo to stick with haha.
10:08am 27/08/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7349 posts
Loving my axe/wand combo. Lay down some traps with my wand and then once they trigger the effects I come barging in with my shadow fiends and smash them in the face before going shadow form. Quite liking the different combat style, does get quite difficult later on.
10:39am 27/08/12 Permalink
deadlyf
Queensland
2760 posts
Also a huge tip for those who don't know. SAVE ALL BLUES YOU FIND. Even armor. There is a fountain in Lion's Arch where you can put any 4 of the same rarity in, and it'll spit out a random item back at you. I put in some random axes and warhorns and got a Lv 14 green scepter for my necro which has a 10% chance to cast lightning strike on the target. Same goes for armor, you may get some awesome stuff from this.
I've got a coin for that thing, not sure how to use it though. I've only got crap out of it so far.

Don't put gems in there, I noticed that you could so gave it a go thinking it will give me a better gem but it just destroyed 3 of them and gave one back. F*** you magic fountain!
10:42am 27/08/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15788 posts
looking at getting the digital deluxe version off the site. are those in game extras really worth the extra $20?

Summon Mistfire Wolf Elite Skill*
Miniature Rytlock*
Golem Banker*
Chalice of Glory*
Tome of Influence*
10:43am 27/08/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7350 posts
looking at getting the digital deluxe version off the site. are those in game extras really worth the extra $20?

Eh not really, unless you want to collect the Mini then everything else isn't a major game changer. The Tome of Influence only gives you 50% increase in influence a one time boost of influence gain for guild, and the Chalice of Glory is for PvP gain I think. Banker just gives you access to a personal bank for 4 days I think (might be 4 hours).
11:10am 27/08/12 Permalink
glynd
Melbourne, Victoria
765 posts
looking at getting the digital deluxe version off the site. are those in game extras really worth the extra $20?


if you're undecided, you can upgrade your purchase in game to deluxe.
11:12am 27/08/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15789 posts
just getting the normal edition. i click on complete purchase and nothing happens. great.

and now it's saying there's an error with my request. :/

last edited by ravn0s at 11:19:34 27/Aug/12
11:16am 27/08/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15790 posts
finally it worked. now to download the client off gamearena.

also display name is ravnos.4356
11:26am 27/08/12 Permalink
Taipan
USA
3810 posts
Where abouts in lions gate is that fountain?
12:03pm 27/08/12 Permalink
Reverend Evil
Wynnum, Queensland
20855 posts
LOL, I'm bored already and I'm only lvl 3. Might try making another race later on today but so far I can't see myself playing much of this game.
12:08pm 27/08/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7351 posts
LOL, I'm bored already and I'm only lvl 3. Might try making another race later on today but so far I can't see myself playing much of this game.
Sounds like you've come into the game expecting either WoW or the next big thing from WoW. It has a lot going for it, however if you aren't meshing with the style then it probably isn't your go.
12:24pm 27/08/12 Permalink
Ickus
Perth, Western Australia
280 posts
I'm bored already and I'm only lvl 3.


By level three you would of hardly unlocked anything...

Things you may want to try to keep you interested (and get money for value?)
- train up all your different primary and secondary weapons kills. Try different combos to see if you like one or another more.
- get to lvl 7 so you can try traits and get weapon swapping for warrior (and maybe other classes).
- do some of your storyline quest

The questing style, or lack there of, does make the game feel different. If you are used to the direct questing method the game doesn't seem to have much for you to do. Once you start wandering around and joining the dynamic/triggered events then you will start to see more of what the game has to offer.

Has anyone come across an area which has different dynamic events due to other events having been failed? I haven't seen one but then I haven't progressed very far in yet (only lvl 10).
12:52pm 27/08/12 Permalink
Sip
Brisbane, Queensland
551 posts
Sipador.4729 on Sea of Sorrows, so guild invite me :)
01:14pm 27/08/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7352 posts
.Has anyone come across an area which has different dynamic events due to other events having been failed? I haven't seen one but then I haven't progressed very far in yet (only lvl 10).
Sure did, just had a village run over by some ice baddies because no one tried to save them. The waypoint was cut off so everyone had to port outside and we all ran in to take over, was quite fun.

Finally got my first green weapon (soulbound), a delectable axe that gives me +16 power.
02:26pm 27/08/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4919 posts
Just made a Ranger alt and holy moley do they fire faster or what!? It's like 2 or 3 times the speed with a short bow! that is so f*****g cool.
02:36pm 27/08/12 Permalink
Sip
Brisbane, Queensland
552 posts
I prefer the long bow, aoe attack just face rapes everything.
02:42pm 27/08/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12671 posts
Yeh longbow is kinda boss
03:01pm 27/08/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15792 posts
taking forever to download :(
03:06pm 27/08/12 Permalink
VRBones
Sunshine Coast, Queensland
909 posts
Invited all down to here.
03:59pm 27/08/12 Permalink
Ha
Brisbane, Queensland
289 posts
one more please
Aceyalone.1384
04:51pm 27/08/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15793 posts
how big is the update you download through the launcher?
08:32pm 27/08/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12672 posts
15Gb download
08:40pm 27/08/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15794 posts
looks like it will only be 400mb or so.
08:41pm 27/08/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12673 posts
Oh sorry thought you meant the game client, update yeh, 400 meg >
08:46pm 27/08/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15795 posts
bah sea of sorrows is full :(
08:49pm 27/08/12 Permalink
deadlyf
Queensland
2761 posts
There is a resetable event in Brisban Wildlands dubbed the portal event. It's boring as hell and I personally don't think it is all that faster than leveling normally but it is a fantastic way to farm mats and karma.

I got a couple of levels out of it, filled my bags with blue and green loot that I salvaged for mats until I ran out of salvage kits, then I ported and had more horrible luck at the magic fountain. You need it to be pretty quiet to do enough damage to the mobs to get loot though, they normally die before you get more than a hit on them.

Has anyone managed to use the trading post yet? Every time I've tried it's either not loading properly or down for maintenance.
09:31pm 27/08/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12674 posts
Has anyone managed to use the trading post yet? Every time I've tried it's either not loading properly or down for maintenance.

First day of prelaunch only, seems to have been down since then.
01:49am 28/08/12 Permalink
MARLINBLADE
Queensland
437 posts
Tossing up whether to get this or not before i've seen a review but with MMO's reviews can take friggin ages and i'm impatient. All the vids i've seen look great. I enjoyed Rift, although i didn't go past level 25, but then i couldn't get into SWTOR at all and i've read in a few places that GW2 is a lot like these games.

So is it worth the coin or what? I like the fact it's a one of purchase with no subs, and i'm keen to get my teeth into something new... just i have a rule now that no buying without a review. My steam library is full of remorse buys...

So i'm keen to hear some unbiased opinions if your happy to share...
06:21am 28/08/12 Permalink
Ha
Brisbane, Queensland
291 posts
just a reminder that that f*****g star wars mmo got a rediculously good review. reviews on mmos are how many people are playing it.
06:39am 28/08/12 Permalink
MARLINBLADE
Queensland
438 posts
just a reminder that that f*****g star wars mmo got a rediculously good review. reviews on mmos are how many people are playing it.


Yeah i was glad i went the free trial option on that one... just couldn't get into it.
06:54am 28/08/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7353 posts
Marlin, I'll try and give as unbiased an opinion as possible so here goes.

First off, the races and classes. Each race can have any class, there are no restrictions and each race has a unique starting area and following areas that are cultured to their stereotype. Each class is balanced to be able to do anything, there are no healers/tanks/DPS, everyone can do everything. I'm currently playing an Asura Necromancer and the Asura zones are very mechanical and mad scientist influenced.

Moving into the nitty gritty of race/classes, when you first create your character you are given a wide range of sliders and options, there is seriously a lot of combinations to creating your character to how you want to look. Each class has a different set of questions relating to their race, and will determine your storyline (read: main quest) and how/where you start off in some cases. Now the storyline is the only quest that is a set breadcrumb trail, there is nothing else in the game that tells you where to go.

Moving onto quests/events/hearts, this is the bulk of Guild Wars 2. There are no traditional quests, only your main storyline has any resemblance to traditional ? questing. Littered around the world are hearts, which are basically people asking for your help to do a set of "missions". For example, a heart in the Asura starting zone had me roam around a small circumference fixing up robots, playing chess robot, testing out prototype items and collecting hologram datapoints. Each time you do one of those "missions" it fills up the heart until you max it out, which rewards you with Karma points and some gold. Once a heart is filled this doesn't stop you interacting with the previous "missions", I was able to still play robot chess which is what really makes this game interesting, the small things.

Moving onto Karma. Karma is a currency in addition to gems, standard currency (copper, silver and gold) and guild influence. It is used to purchase goods from many vendors including the heart vendors, but also a wide range of other things. Your standard currency is still used to purchase goods, however Karma vendors usually offer blue and higher quality items. Guild influence is used to progress your guild, though you can only earn influence by doing things with your guild and logging on each day.

Combat. Combat is different, and it may take awhile to adjust to how things work. There is active dodging, similar to TERA in that if you dodge you negate all the damage an enemy would have done. You can dodge out of AoE, you can dodge into enemies etc. There are hit boxes on enemies, meaning you can not walk through them, and if you send a fireball their way anything in between will get hit and won't pass through. There is tab targeting, and AoE spells are mainly done similar to WoW with using the ability then selecting where on the ground you want to cast.

Combat is also influenced by weapons. Weapons make up your first 5 skills and are your main arsenal. Each class has a different set of skills for each weapon, and some can only use certain ones. My necro currently has a one-handed axe with an off hand and then a staff in his second weapon set. You can switch weapons anytime in combat by hitting ~ and some weapons even have procs for doing so, like my axe which sends out some AoE rocks from the ground.

Skills and traits are unlocked by levelling up and also finding skill vendors around each region. Skill vendors can be ranging from simply talking to a object/person for a skill point to killing someone to doing a whole escort event, it is all very varied. Traits are basically the talent tree system, you spend points to increase 2 stats, with I think 6 sets of 2 all up for each class. You can also spend 5 points to get a skill, or 10 to get a major skill with 3 tiers of these skills. This is what will determine your playstyle, and how you evolve your class. There are many ways to play one class, so experimenting is nice, and you can always re-format your trait tree.

Because this is a lot to digest, one last thing, PVP. In PVP you have an entirely different set of skills and traits, and a whole set of new gear designed for PVP. There is World vs World vs World or tournaments or battlegrounds (I think, haven't checked that one). Guild Wars 2 is mainly revolved around PVP, however the beauty is that it gives you a wide range of stuff to do in both sections. One of the great things about this MMO is that it rewards you for exploring, and doesn't sit you down and tell you where to go. Completing zones will net you achievements, rewards and a overall completion.

There is a lot to do in Guild Wars 2, and that isn't to say there are some things that don't quite mesh. However it seems ArenaNet has really tried to make sure everything just works, and that users can understand it from the get go but then push into the more hardcore scene. It might not be for everyone, but it's a pay once you own it forever title, and has a lot of content to digest.
10:04am 28/08/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19812 posts
Tossing up whether to get this or not before i've seen a review but with MMO's reviews can take friggin ages and i'm impatient


Reviews are subjective as it is, but reviews for an MMO even more so. Theres so many parts that make up an MMO its really impossible to say "Well if like this MMO, then you'll like that one". I'd just say watch some gameplay trailers, read articles people have written about their experiences with the game (there should be some even from beta and stuff), and other things like the things people have said about it in this thread, should be enough info for you to at least know if its a game you'll like or not.

And if worst comes to worst, its only like $50 or something and theres no monthly subscription, so you're not losing a lot if you only end up playing it for a few weeks or a month.
10:05am 28/08/12 Permalink
Keato
Melbourne, Victoria
531 posts
I have really enjoyed the PVP, only have a 20 Fire Mage, but the 80 scaling is good. Ran with a group last night of 15 defending our realm, we set up sone Rams on Offense and some boiling oil on defense, repairing doors all gave me flashbacks to DAOC. Standing on the wall AOEing fire also very DAOC.

The PVP world map is massive and took a LONG time for us to run to the aid of another group trying to fend off some people. We captured some resources on the way then lead some pack mules with resource to our keep. When it got there the other group used the resource to build some cannons and trebs and we forced back the attackers.

I did my first 19 levels in PVE, but it will be 100% PVP from here on i think, really enjoyed it and considering we had over 100 people attacking our keep the lag was not bad at all, it did a little rubber banding, but when I re-set up smoothping expecting a better result. FPS was good even with everything going on sat on a constant 40 odd.

No dedicated healers is a bit brutal if you run into a zerg people stand off a lot as they don't want to die reset to the main keep and run the risk of rogue ganking returning to the action. But it does make you play smarter and the combat tends to be very fast action.

Overall, to now, best PVP ive played in a MMO (Yep, better than DAOC). I love how were getting dominated now, but the Worlds will shift soon and we will see a fresh 2 realms to take on.
10:53am 28/08/12 Permalink
MARLINBLADE
Queensland
439 posts
Wow Eorl, thanks for the info, thats awesome. I like the replay value of the quests that's a big draw for me especially if you find one that u really enjoy.

And if worst comes to worst, its only like $50 or something and theres no monthly subscription, so you're not losing a lot if you only end up playing it for a few weeks or a month.


That's what i reckon... no sub is awesome for a MMO... Sold, it's my Bday on Friday so fk it i'm going to invest ha ha ha
11:08am 28/08/12 Permalink
Mephz
Brisbane, Queensland
1161 posts
How's everyones framerate?

I'm running 304.79 beta drivers (NVIDIA)

i7 2600
8gb RAM
GTX 590

Everything as high as it will go @ 1920x1080
I'm disappointed in the frame rate drop when looking around/moving around. Lowest I've seen it go is about 24.
Playing with the settings doesn't seem to change it much really.
11:34am 28/08/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7354 posts
There are new drivers for nVidia out that boost performance by a lot, I barely dip into 60 FPS now.

Running i5 2500k
8GB DDR3 2200 RAM
GTX 570
60GB Vertex 2 SSD

No worries Marlin, figured you and many others would want some info on how it all plays. It is quite a unique experience, in that it the devs really tried to get all the gritty bits that make many common MMO's annoying, and added a heap of little touches. A small touch that isn't huge is that your mail is actually delivered via pigeons. It just adds to the atmosphere and really makes the game more alive then many others. This quote from IGN kind of sums it up for me:
This makes it feel like Guild Wars 2’s world isn’t a static funhouse waiting for you to show up in order for all the lights to brighten and music to start playing. It makes it feel like the world has its own rhythms and that it exists independent of your presence, which in some ways helps defeat the inherent artificiality of the experience.
Oh yeah, Felicia Day also voices one of the female Asura in my main storyline, was awesome.
11:42am 28/08/12 Permalink
MARLINBLADE
Queensland
440 posts
Bought it, will grab the client this arv and hopefully get a run tonight. Thanks for all the info, keen as
12:00pm 28/08/12 Permalink
Reverend Evil
Wynnum, Queensland
20859 posts
I was getting some choppy-ness as well when spinning the camera around. Although I've got my res set to 2560x1600. I turned down a couple of things but it still does it. I haven't totally turned off reflections yet so that will be the next thing.

GTX 580
12gig ram
256gig Crucial SSD
i7 950

Might be time to do an upgrade. Also, I started a ranger but I can't get my pets to swap. I've got a bear and learn't a wolf and some water lizard thingy. I open up the pet tab and tell it to change pets but I can't. Anyone know why?
12:03pm 28/08/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12675 posts
Also, I started a ranger but I can't get my pets to swap. I've got a bear and learn't a wold and some water lizard thingy. I open up the pet tab and tell it to change pets but I can't. Anyone know why?

It works like this.

From the pet window (K), you have 4 active pets at any time. The top 2 are land pets, the bottom two are water pets. You select them with the little arrow dealio above the icon. When in combat, you cannot change your selected pets.

You can swap between your active two pets at any time (including combat) by clicking F4. Always, always, always try to do this BEFORE your current pet dies. If you swap out a dead pet the swap recast timer is much higher; its only like 20 seconds if you swap out a live pet. Pets swapped in appear with full life and do not need to be resurrected if they were dead when they went out.

Rangers have neat talents to give you a buffs when you swap pets and it can save your life, so its a mechanic to get used to.
12:07pm 28/08/12 Permalink
Reverend Evil
Wynnum, Queensland
20860 posts
Okies, I'll give that a try. I swear I tried everything that was clickable in the pet screen. The bear and wolf were in the top boxes while the lizard thingy was down the bottom. No matter what I tried the bear stayed out active. Thanx for the help Hoggy.
12:19pm 28/08/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12676 posts
AFAIK you don't change your current pet on the pet screen, just the pets in your loadout.

F4 is the switcher.
12:27pm 28/08/12 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
8178 posts

How's everyones framerate?


I have an i5, 8Gb RAM, Win8 and Radeon 5850. Running it on the high setting at 1920x1080 and don't notice the FPS drop below anything unreasonable. Still all very fluid even if large areas.

Eorl's write up is excellent and how I feel about the game too. I was saying to hoggy last night that I actually feel amazed by how good the game is - whether that is a reflection on my expectations or the game quality is undecided. If they made this pay to play I would be very happy to be handing over my $15/mth but the fact it's a $59 once off is amazing.


A small touch that isn't huge is that your mail is actually delivered via pigeons.


F*** the pigeons, how about the fact mail is accessible ANYWHERE not in some town with a post box and it's delivered instantly to everyone. It's this little stuff that made me take a second glance and go "Holy crap, that's really awesome!"
12:30pm 28/08/12 Permalink
Sip
Brisbane, Queensland
553 posts
Is anyone else having trouble joining the QGL Guild on Sea of Sorrow? I got the invite but when I hit join it doesn't do anything, no idea whats going on there.
12:44pm 28/08/12 Permalink
Manasutra
Brisbane, Queensland
1 posts

Bought this game as a few friends raved about it...Between Sea of Sorrows and Isle of Janthir, which is preferred?

Mana.4569
12:47pm 28/08/12 Permalink
glynd
Melbourne, Victoria
769 posts
Is anyone else having trouble joining the QGL Guild on Sea of Sorrow? I got the invite but when I hit join it doesn't do anything, no idea whats going on there.


you can't join the guild while you're in the overflow server ... if that helps.
12:48pm 28/08/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7355 posts
If anyone wants to read more about the crafting side of things, check out the official wiki as it is really a in-depth system. I'd be safe to say that the crafting aspects in Guild Wars 2 are really their own entire game, especially with discovering new recipes via the trial and error system.
12:50pm 28/08/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19814 posts
How do the pigeons find you out in the world and deliver messages to you instantly, this sounds very unrealistic.
12:52pm 28/08/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19815 posts
You must get XP for crafting? A guy is already level 80, and apparently did a lot of it via crafting.

http://www.mmoculture.com/2012/08/guild-wars-2-first-level-80-player-spotted/

Edit: Oh, theres an update now, he did the first 60 levels through normal pve and then the last 20 with crafting.
12:53pm 28/08/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12677 posts
Is anyone else having trouble joining the QGL Guild on Sea of Sorrow? I got the invite but when I hit join it doesn't do anything, no idea whats going on there.

Yeh I can't join it, thought it was cos I was on Janthir or already in Last Hit?
You must get XP for crafting?

Decent XP actually. I turned all my harvested crap into useful crap and gained a level and a half or something.
12:53pm 28/08/12 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
8180 posts
Bought this game as a few friends raved about it...Between Sea of Sorrows and Isle of Janthir, which is preferred?


Pick where your friends are first, failing that I'd pimp Isle of Janthir as it seems "less" busy than SoS but both are very busy servers as they're determined to be the unofficial Oceanic servers. A lot of things are cross server anywhere (guilds, parties, etc) so it only matters for WvWvW PvP (acronym city).

I'm yet to try a cross server party to see if you can level together..
12:55pm 28/08/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7356 posts
How do the pigeons find you out in the world and deliver messages to you instantly, this sounds very unrealistic.
They are super dooper pigeons.
http://www.ausforums.com/images/icon5.gifBought this game as a few friends raved about it...Between Sea of Sorrows and Isle of Janthir, which is preferred?
Both are the "unofficial" Oceanic servers, however I believe a QGL guild is operating on Sea of Sorrows, not sure who is leader to that one.
Is anyone else having trouble joining the QGL Guild on Sea of Sorrow? I got the invite but when I hit join it doesn't do anything, no idea whats going on there.
I had this problem initially when a friend made our guild, however it seemed to fix itself when I denied the invite, went to character selection then back in, and got him to re-send the invite. I do believe they have just rolled out a new patch which apparently fixes a few things so you may find it could have been fixed in that.

Also I never understood rushing to cap level. Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of enjoying and playing the game in favour of some e-peen?
12:56pm 28/08/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19816 posts
Yeah, I don't get it either, but for some people, being first to do something is where the fun lies for them. Like, theres people in my WoW guild planning to grind instances over and over and over to get to 90 and not even do any of the new quests or content or zones, I don't get that mentality, but I guess it works for some people.
01:26pm 28/08/12 Permalink
glynd
Melbourne, Victoria
771 posts
Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of enjoying and playing the game in favour of some e-peen?


Agreed ... it's not like you need to max out to pvp either.

really loving the GW2 levelling so far. Feels more like exploration than grinding.
01:53pm 28/08/12 Permalink
Manasutra
Brisbane, Queensland
2 posts

@Ticman Pick where your friends are first, failing that I'd pimp Isle of Janthir as it seems "less" busy than SoS but both are very busy servers as they're determined to be the unofficial Oceanic servers. A lot of things are cross server anywhere (guilds, parties, etc) so it only matters for WvWvW PvP (acronym city).

I'm yet to try a cross server party to see if you can level together..

Thx :) i kindof like people, hopefully nice peeps...so I am going with S.O.S

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/a-world-of-choice-the-regions-of-guild-wars-2/

In time, we’ll also introduce free “guesting,” which will allow players to visit other worlds as guests as long as they have friends on those worlds. This feature will be free, but guest players will not be able to enter World vs. World, and the Power of the Mists bonuses from their home world will continue to apply to their characters.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/World#Guesting

Guesting will not be available at launch but is still planned


@Eorl, thank you for making my choice easier too! ^^
03:44pm 28/08/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15798 posts
enjoying the game so far but i get such s*** fps. it usually sits in the 20's. :(
04:06pm 28/08/12 Permalink
Trauma
Melbourne, Victoria
2872 posts
enjoying the game so far but i get such s*** fps. it usually sits in the 20's. :(

My average FPS is about 50, 1080p all on max but AA off. 560ti.
05:44pm 28/08/12 Permalink
Mordecai
Victoria
1427 posts
Has anyone managed to use the trading post yet? Every time I've tried it's either not loading properly or down for maintenance.

I bought some new armour of there as a test. Cost me 56 bronze pieces.

But like Hogfather said it's been down since then.
05:54pm 28/08/12 Permalink
Phooks
Brisbane, Queensland
2357 posts
phooks.9841
06:50pm 28/08/12 Permalink
MARLINBLADE
Queensland
441 posts
God damn it takes a long time to download!! 100 - 150 kb/sec... sigh
07:39pm 28/08/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15801 posts
you can download the client off gamearena.
07:48pm 28/08/12 Permalink
MARLINBLADE
Queensland
442 posts
Off GA - 250 kb/sec... thanks anyways, i'll leave the GW2 one going cause it's already at 15%... hope it's a goer by morning!! Late start tomorrow!!
07:51pm 28/08/12 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
19089 posts
infinxd.9413 i have no idea what i am doing atm
07:51pm 28/08/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7357 posts
Marl it is also on AusGamers if that helps http://www.ausgamers.com/files/details/html/67975

Anyone with nVidia get the latest beta drivers, fix a heap of issues with Guild Wars 2.
08:06pm 28/08/12 Permalink
MARLINBLADE
Queensland
443 posts
Marl it is also on AusGamers if that helps http://www.ausgamers.com/files/details/html/67975Anyone with nVidia get the latest beta drivers, fix a heap of issues with Guild Wars 2.


110 kb/sec bro... thanks anyways hey
08:14pm 28/08/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15802 posts
geez you have a s***** internet connection.
08:41pm 28/08/12 Permalink
Timmeh
Brisbane, Queensland
2445 posts
seems that the WvWvW is either bugged as it keeps resetting or we (SoS) just got utterly raped over night. (were infront by 100k now loosing bad.)
09:09pm 28/08/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15804 posts
i tried experimenting with the graphics settings and even when everything is set to low, i still only get around 20 fps :/
09:10pm 28/08/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12679 posts
seems that the WvWvW is either bugged as it keeps resetting or we (SoS) just got utterly raped over night. (were infront by 100k now loosing bad.)

This afternoon there was a world shuffle, I think everything reset and the worlds you fight changed. We went from being owned to owning.
09:19pm 28/08/12 Permalink
MARLINBLADE
Queensland
444 posts
geez you have a s***** internet connection.


Weipa bro... FNQ = F*****g miles from anywhere... i take what i can get ha ha
09:36pm 28/08/12 Permalink
glynd
Melbourne, Victoria
772 posts
i tried experimenting with the graphics settings and even when everything is set to low, i still only get around 20 fps :/


really? my lappy is playing at pretty much medium w/ AA sticking around 35-40. you updated to the beta nvidia drivers?
09:38pm 28/08/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15805 posts
i have radeon cards. will check to see if there is new drivers for them.
10:02pm 28/08/12 Permalink
deadlyf
Queensland
2763 posts
I get around 50fps with my ATi 5850, if I max out graphics settings I only get around 30 and can spike pretty bad.

Still I have most things on high but have shadows and shaders on medium, post processing on low, best texture filtering ticked off, vsync off and reflections on terrain and sky. I find shadows are usually the killer blow for my card, first thing I ramp down.

I like the rewards you get for completing a map and completing it is pretty fun, I even found myself running around and discovering more stuff after I had already got the technical completion.

I've also found that with auto loot on I can be running around with some pretty awesome gear and not even know it's in my bags until I get back to a town and start salvaging everything for mats.
10:14pm 28/08/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7358 posts
Heh yeah I get like that too Deadly, though I don't think I could go back to looting everything manually. I just spent a good hour trying to figure out this one point of interest in the Asura start zone and by gosh it was hard to find. Loved it though, really made exploring more enjoyable.
10:17pm 28/08/12 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
19091 posts
Oooh I am on Sea of Sorrows btw
10:30pm 28/08/12 Permalink
Reverend Evil
Wynnum, Queensland
20864 posts
Installed the beta drivers for nvidia and it made a big improvement. Didn't realize the drivers I was using were a few months old. Now if only it made the game more fun. lol
10:34pm 28/08/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4920 posts
Got my ranger up to 26 and think i'll play with warrior for a bit. I dunno what i'm going to main yet so I want to take my time with it. Not really a fan of the spellcasters in the game so it'll be warrior, ranger or thief for me in the long run.
12:01am 29/08/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12680 posts
Got my ranger up to 26 and think i'll play with warrior for a bit. I dunno what i'm going to main yet so I want to take my time with it.

Situation normal ;)
Weipa bro... FNQ = F*****g miles from anywhere... i take what i can get ha ha

Jebus went to Weipa on a job one day .... prior to that I thought I lived in bumf***, QLD!
04:42am 29/08/12 Permalink
Mephz
Brisbane, Queensland
1164 posts
As a heads up, the new NVIDIA Beta drivers (306.02) pushed my frame rate from 40fps (and dipping into low 20s when moving camera) to 120fps all options maxxed out.

First time I've personally seen a driver update do so much.
01:39pm 29/08/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7365 posts
Yeah the drivers were suppose to be out earlier before the last few stress tests but they kept delaying it, though it is definitely a huge increase.

Finally figured out my jeweler crafting properly, can now make some pretty sweet earrings and rings. I pretty much salvage any I don't use to get back my gems which is really handy for quickly levelling, though I just go through a few events to get a bag full of blues and get my materials from them as well.

Finally moving into the Asura 15-25 area, been delaying it due to completing the Asura beginning map, man that was a hard one though. I've got a guildmate who is level 33 now, though luckily the rest of us are around 15-20 so he has to wait for dungeon runs.
01:44pm 29/08/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15808 posts
divinity's reach is so damn huge. dunno where the hell anything is.

anyone know when you unlock the earth line as an elementalist? i thought it would unlock after i learned all the spells in the other lines but nope.

atm i'm trying to save money to grab some daggers so i can learn the spells for those.
02:45pm 29/08/12 Permalink
MARLINBLADE
Queensland
445 posts
Well i got it downloaded and i hit run only to have to dl another 4800 odd files at 100 kb/sec... can"t win lol... was there a patch recently? i dl'd the AG file cause it got heaps quicker
04:01pm 29/08/12 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
8183 posts
Yeah there is lots of patches I've had to install since I got the client on Saturday, but that's kind of expected in the first week or two of a new game. Fortunately the patch process is pretty easy and the file sizes are small. I noticed last night while playing that I got a message saying "Client will restart in X minutes". I logged out, logged in, got a new patch, began playing again - very easy.

I think today/tonight is the first time I've seen server maintenance occur and it's only for "20-60 minutes" which is unbelievably short.
04:06pm 29/08/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15811 posts

Well i got it downloaded and i hit run only to have to dl another 4800 odd filrd at 100 kb/sec... can"t win lol... was there a patch recently? i dl'd the AG file cause it got heaps quicker


it's only 400mb so shouldn't take too long.
04:11pm 29/08/12 Permalink
MARLINBLADE
Queensland
446 posts
Hmmm 85 mb and still 0%...? seems a bit suss.... maybe there's been a few updates since the AG file was uploaded...
04:34pm 29/08/12 Permalink
Agamemnon
Brisbane, Queensland
1076 posts
tried to download guildwars from ausgamers today... waited all day and no download start... thats the 3rd time in 2 days i try, no love! :P
04:40pm 29/08/12 Permalink
VRBones
Sunshine Coast, Queensland
910 posts
infinxd.9413

Can't find user? Can you send a pm to me (VRBones.5276) or Boba (boba.4327) or TicMan (ticcles.2407) and we should be able to add you.
05:21pm 29/08/12 Permalink
Trauma
Melbourne, Victoria
2875 posts
Has anyone bought gems yet or plan to buy gems? I have not.

So far I gotta say I'm pretty impressed with their handling of the micro transactions, no real advantage to be bought.
05:46pm 29/08/12 Permalink
VRBones
Sunshine Coast, Queensland
911 posts
Has anyone bought gems yet or plan to buy gems? I have not.


Nup. Extra bank tabs is kinda interesting. Even with all the collectible stuff out of the way, I'm still runing out of space with 1/2 built items and greens for other potental characters. Might simply make some alt mules for the meantime.

Treasure boxes are possibly the most intrusive items that indicate the micro model is available. As an aside I found a black lion key inside a black lion treasure box. How recursive ..
05:54pm 29/08/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15812 posts
Hmmm 85 mb and still 0%...? seems a bit suss.... maybe there's been a few updates since the AG file was uploaded...


i think the % only updates when a certain amount of files have been downloaded, not the amount of mb's downloaded. my download sat at 0% for quite a while.

last edited by ravn0s at 18:11:37 29/Aug/12
06:09pm 29/08/12 Permalink
MARLINBLADE
Queensland
447 posts
i think the % only updates when a certain amount of files have been downloaded, not the amount of mb's downloaded. my download sat at 0% for quite a while. last edited by ravn0s at 18:11:37 29/Aug/12


Yeah mate it suddenly went ballistic and was done in 10 minutes... pretty happy with that... then went to character creation and they had downtime lol... all good, got one made up now, just need to try get into sea of sorrow or whatevs that server is called your all on...
07:45pm 29/08/12 Permalink
glynd
Melbourne, Victoria
774 posts
Yeah mate it suddenly went ballistic and was done in 10 minutes... pretty happy with that... then went to character creation and they had downtime lol... all good, got one made up now, just need to try get into sea of sorrow or whatevs that server is called your all on...


once you've made one character, you won't have to wait again. overflow server is seriously awesome. loving it!
07:50pm 29/08/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7370 posts
Has anyone bought gems yet or plan to buy gems? I have not.So far I gotta say I'm pretty impressed with their handling of the micro transactions, no real advantage to be bought.

I've bought the lowest package, $10 worth I think which gave me 800 gems. Also traded some silver for a few because I'm now making quite a lot of coin from drops/crafting. I bought the pirate set cause f*** yeah.

Nup. Extra bank tabs is kinda interesting. Even with all the collectible stuff out of the way, I'm still runing out of space with 1/2 built items and greens for other potental characters. Might simply make some alt mules for the meantime.

Treasure boxes are possibly the most intrusive items that indicate the micro model is available. As an aside I found a black lion key inside a black lion treasure box. How recursive ..
I don't think the treasure boxes are that bad, I mean it does show the micro-transactions but honestly it is really just a gamble mechanic. At least it isn't a "you open this you are guaranteed a green" more so a "well there is something in here, don't know what".
07:54pm 29/08/12 Permalink
MARLINBLADE
Queensland
448 posts
once you've made one character, you won't have to wait again. overflow server is seriously awesome. loving it!


Damn i couldn't get into Sea of sorrow, stuck in Dragonvale or something... Gotta wait till the server isn't full before i can get my character transfered over...
08:11pm 29/08/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15813 posts
well i updated my drivers to the latest (last update was july) and getting 50-70 fps now.
08:12pm 29/08/12 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
19093 posts
whats a good way to learn about all the crafting and potions n stuff? I am just running around killing s*** atm.
09:02pm 29/08/12 Permalink
Timmeh
Brisbane, Queensland
2446 posts
whats a good way to learn about all the crafting and potions n stuff? I am just running around killing s*** atm.


Type in the chat box.
/wiki - searches the entire wiki for the specified content, then opens that page in your standard browser.
09:16pm 29/08/12 Permalink
Taipan
USA
3811 posts
Wtb jute scraps and or bolts if anyone has them. I imagine you can send and therefore sell to anyone on any server but i am not sure
09:23pm 29/08/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15815 posts
f*** off, i need jute scraps

:)
10:31pm 29/08/12 Permalink
Taipan
USA
3812 posts
I asked first :-P

Can someone varify if you can mail stuff cross server? If you can it might actually pay to have a dedicated thread for trading..... just a thought
10:49pm 29/08/12 Permalink
Agamemnon
Brisbane, Queensland
1077 posts
still cant download from ausgamers... i blame term! :p
10:57pm 29/08/12 Permalink
Agamemnon
Brisbane, Queensland
1078 posts
my account name is Grundfaust.6724
11:13pm 29/08/12 Permalink
Trauma
Melbourne, Victoria
2876 posts
I also need jute, starting to get on my nerves that the AH is still not up.
02:06am 30/08/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4921 posts
Before I started whatever the version of leatherworking is, I had 300+ jute scraps haha. Also discovery in crafting really great for leveling up. You gain about 1.5 quests worth of exp per new design you make almost. I got 1500 exp for creating a new type of bow when my huntsman hit 100
02:40am 30/08/12 Permalink
Tanaka Khan
Brisbane, Queensland
5311 posts
I've bought the lowest package, $10 worth I think which gave me 800 gems. Also traded some silver for a few because I'm now making quite a lot of coin from drops/crafting. I bought the pirate set cause f*** yeah.


I bought some gems and purchased a 6th character slot and extra bank tab. I also purchased an outfit but I can't seem to equip it. It tells me to double click on it to use, which I do, and opens a small window telling me to drag an item into it, I try but nothing...
05:41am 30/08/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7371 posts
I bought some gems and purchased a 6th character slot and extra bank tab. I also purchased an outfit but I can't seem to equip it. It tells me to double click on it to use, which I do, and opens a small window telling me to drag an item into it, I try but nothing...
Might need to be in your town clothes, as that is what all those outfits affect I believe.

The AH seems to be up, but quite slow, must be getting hammered. Bought a crap load of Jute Scraps though so now I can craft!
08:39am 30/08/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15817 posts
anyone know what +condition damage does?
08:51am 30/08/12 Permalink
boba
Cainer
Brisbane, Queensland
3730 posts
anyone know what +condition damage does?

I'd assume it's burn/bleed/poison/etc
08:57am 30/08/12 Permalink
Mordecai
Victoria
1428 posts
Before I started whatever the version of leatherworking is, I had 300+ jute scraps haha. Also discovery in crafting really great for leveling up. You gain about 1.5 quests worth of exp per new design you make almost. I got 1500 exp for creating a new type of bow when my huntsman hit 100

Did that for my weapon making. Then took four swords I had made, tossed them in to the mystic fountain and got a very nice green sword back.
09:28am 30/08/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7372 posts
anyone know what +condition damage does?

Increases damage output for debuffs, otherwise known as conditions. Necromancers and Elementalists are the main users of condition damage for their spells, most of them will put slow/poison/fire etc on their enemies.
09:33am 30/08/12 Permalink
deadlyf
Queensland
2765 posts
I got an entire level last night making iron bars and wool cloth. I've out leveled the usefulness of the armour I make though and without the TP I can't get enough mats to keep close.

The Gem exchange is interesting, I think the prices will go up when the trading post gets into full swing so might buy some gems now and play the stock market when their value increases. Also there is a lame free vanity hat in the gem store for those interested.
09:48am 30/08/12 Permalink
glynd
Melbourne, Victoria
776 posts
I bought some gems and purchased a 6th character slot and extra bank tab. I also purchased an outfit but I can't seem to equip it. It tells me to double click on it to use, which I do, and opens a small window telling me to drag an item into it, I try but nothing...


oh you bought it off the black lion (what ever it is) store? Pretty sure that's just "social" armour. you can switch between social and regular in the "H" menu thingy.
09:52am 30/08/12 Permalink
Mordecai
Victoria
1429 posts
oh you bought it off the black lion (what ever it is) store? Pretty sure that's just "social" armour. you can switch between social and regular in the "H" menu thingy.

I have these "make this thing look like that thing and mix up the stats" items I got out of a black lion case. I wonder if I could use one to make my armour look like social armour but with decent stats.
10:50am 30/08/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7373 posts
I have these "make this thing look like that thing and mix up the stats" items I got out of a black lion case. I wonder if I could use one to make my armour look like social armour but with decent stats.
I'd like to know that as well, would be awesome having my pirate clothing with stats.
11:08am 30/08/12 Permalink
glynd
Melbourne, Victoria
778 posts
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Transmutation

"Town clothes such as reading glasses from the cash shop cannot be combined with combat gear."

bad luck I guess :\ must be only normal armour that you can use the transmutation stone.
11:24am 30/08/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15818 posts
Increases damage output for debuffs, otherwise known as conditions. Necromancers and Elementalists are the main users of condition damage for their spells, most of them will put slow/poison/fire etc on their enemies.


i guess it's a good thing i'm an elementalist then.
12:43pm 30/08/12 Permalink
Phooks
Brisbane, Queensland
2359 posts
Man WvW is a joke
01:52pm 30/08/12 Permalink
Woblzz
Queensland
69 posts
Man WvW is a joke

i played a some WvW yesterday and for the most part i have to agree, its just so huge, and takes to long to get anywhere. I do think though it would be pretty cool with a huge group of people all with the same objective in mind.
01:58pm 30/08/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7374 posts
Will be more interesting when guilds start gearing up their PVP upgrades, you'll see a larger amount of banners to help sway the battle. Would be nice if ArenaNet added in some form of mount/movement potion to move between the larger areas.
02:11pm 30/08/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15819 posts

i played a some WvW yesterday and for the most part i have to agree, its just so huge, and takes to long to get anywhere.


sounds like you need at least 1 class in your party with a swiftness boon.
02:23pm 30/08/12 Permalink
Woblzz
Queensland
70 posts
o yeah and trying to hit people with melee as they run away, just doesnt work. As a warrior i have to use my gun in pvp
02:35pm 30/08/12 Permalink
Midda
Brisbane, Queensland
7971 posts
Midda.2450, I'm on Sea of Sorrows.

Can I get an invite to the QGL guild too, pretty please?
02:54pm 30/08/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15820 posts
has anyone been able to verify their email through the launcher? i get the email sent to me but when i click on the link to verify, it always says there is an error.
03:17pm 30/08/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7375 posts
03:27pm 30/08/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12683 posts
20-30mins maintenance?!

Unacceptable :(
04:05pm 30/08/12 Permalink
Trauma
Melbourne, Victoria
2877 posts
o yeah and trying to hit people with melee as they run away, just doesnt work. As a warrior i have to use my gun in pvp

This is why as an aussie on US server I am deliberately avoiding all melee classes. Playing as Necromancer atm, lvl 34.
04:28pm 30/08/12 Permalink
Ivonin
Brisbane, Queensland
1097 posts
Sea of Sorrows I am also on.
04:46pm 30/08/12 Permalink
Trauma
Melbourne, Victoria
2878 posts
Also can I just say that it pisses me off rustles my jimmies when devs post important info to reddit rather than their own official website. Or am I the only person in the world who does not read reddit?
05:16pm 30/08/12 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
8189 posts
Nah I agree, I don't even understand why you would do it like that - post it on your official site or forums, then link it wherever you want.
05:24pm 30/08/12 Permalink
Raskalnickoff
Queensland
2 posts
My bro asked me to play LOL for the FWOTD, first game other than GW2 that I have played since it came out. It's like any other MMO I have played but with a lot of spit and polish, they have removed a lot of rough edges from the genre.
05:28pm 30/08/12 Permalink
Trauma
Melbourne, Victoria
2879 posts
My bro asked me to play LOL for the FWOTD, first game other than GW2 that I have played since it came out. It's like any other MMO I have played but with a lot of spit and polish, they have removed a lot of rough edges from the genre.

And by rough edges you mean all the s*** that is deliberately designed to slow you down.
05:40pm 30/08/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15823 posts
did they just take the servers down? got booted for incorrect password, now i cant log in at all.
08:32pm 30/08/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4922 posts
Nah the servers have been having some serious issues today. Booting me, cant talk in guild chat, not part of a guild, random crashes. Wonder what's up?
08:36pm 30/08/12 Permalink
Trauma
Melbourne, Victoria
2880 posts
Yea I got the same kick, back in now though.
08:47pm 30/08/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4923 posts
I cant get back in. Kicked me out with a wrong password error and now is saying transaction in progress.
08:49pm 30/08/12 Permalink
Agamemnon
Brisbane, Queensland
1079 posts
Ok so i am trying to log in for the first time and it says that this Sea of Souls server is full...

Do i just wait for it to be unfull? Will it in fact ever be unfull or is there a char limit or something?
10:07pm 30/08/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7376 posts
Ok so i am trying to log in for the first time and it says that this Sea of Souls server is full...Do i just wait for it to be unfull? Will it in fact ever be unfull or is there a char limit or something?
Just try to get a character created in the later night or early morning. If you can't be bothered waiting, make a character on a different server, then transfer it for free when Sea of Sorrows gets un-full.
did they just take the servers down? got booted for incorrect password, now i cant log in at all.
Yeah servers were down earlier for maintenance, might of extended it/fixing some stuff.
10:31pm 30/08/12 Permalink
Trauma
Melbourne, Victoria
2881 posts
Currently server transfers are still free, so just pick any one get started and transfer when it's open.
10:36pm 30/08/12 Permalink
Agamemnon
Brisbane, Queensland
1080 posts
thanks for the info, will make one now :)
10:40pm 30/08/12 Permalink
MARLINBLADE
Queensland
449 posts
Jebus went to Weipa on a job one day .... prior to that I thought I lived in bumf***, QLD!


Did you ever go fishing here?

10:53am 31/08/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12686 posts
What's the go with the QGL guild, I joined it and despite there being 10+ people online and representing, its seriously ghost town material, nobody ever speaks, seems to be dead as?
11:24am 31/08/12 Permalink
deadlyf
Queensland
2770 posts
I haven't got used to the chat thing yet. I'm sure I can probably customise it but at the moment it's bit of a mess with all channels in the one little window. With WoW I had a separate window for each channel and made the different texts stand out like dogs balls.

Did anyone get password reset emails or authentication emails? I got a password reset email this morning so I went to log in making sure my account was ok and then they sent me more emails asking to authorize the connection before it would let me connect.

Everything seems fine, I'm wondering if it was an internal thing or if someone was actually trying to change my password though.
11:36am 31/08/12 Permalink
Zapo
Brisbane, Queensland
2819 posts
deadlyf - They had a f*** up and a bench of alerts about password resets etc were sent out. Don't worry about it.
11:40am 31/08/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15825 posts
What's the go with the QGL guild, I joined it and despite there being 10+ people online and representing, its seriously ghost town material, nobody ever speaks, seems to be dead as?


i hardly every notice the chat because it's so unobtrusive. i don't even notice the s*** i pick up from mobs because it's way off to the side.
11:44am 31/08/12 Permalink
Reverend Evil
Wynnum, Queensland
20870 posts
I've stopped playing. Too boring for my liking.
12:06pm 31/08/12 Permalink
Mephz
Brisbane, Queensland
1167 posts
I found some area after I ran through a cave not obvious on the map. A few little jumpy bits later it turned into a gate.
That gate then led to a huge jumping puzzle area miles above the play area down below. You had to find the 'attunement' stone and then make your way to the end of that section, if you didn't attune and went through the end gate you'd go back to the start of that section.
If you fell you'd get thrown out to the very first gate but you could choose to go back to the start of any section you've already gotten to.
It was oldschool platformer style with lightning bolt puzzles, wind blowing you off the platforms etc.

Was about 4 sections I think (windy/stormy/chilly/boss + chest). Pretty damn cool change of pace! Enjoyed it, took me about an hour to get through it all (took awhile to work out wtf was going on in the first 'windy' one).



last edited by Mephz at 12:09:55 31/Aug/12
12:08pm 31/08/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15826 posts
do you know the exact location mephz? i would love to check that out.
12:37pm 31/08/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12687 posts
I've stopped playing. Too boring for my liking.

It amazes me that you find so many games "boring" yet pipe up about how awesome WoW is constantly.

Is this some sort of elaborate, ongoing troll Rev? Tell me you're not a stupid c*** with no taste, please ;)
12:45pm 31/08/12 Permalink
Ickus
Perth, Western Australia
282 posts
I haven't got used to the chat thing yet. I'm sure I can probably customise.


Click the + button to add new tabs, click the drop down button to filter what goes into that tab.

It was one of the very first things I did to avoid all the spam.
12:45pm 31/08/12 Permalink
Mephz
Brisbane, Queensland
1168 posts
do you know the exact location mephz? i would love to check that out.
Go to the cuatl waypoint in Metrica Province (Asura).
Cuatl is sorta north eastish of the very start of Ausra area.

Anyway, from that waypoint directly to the east of it is a cliff face. Once you port there follow that cliff face south and there will be a cave entrance. Go in and around the corner there is some jumping stones, just follow until you pretty much do some jumping stones over that waypoint. It leads to a gate.
Go through that gate and that's the first jumping puzzle section.

If you fall thats the gate you'll be in front of you can just walk in front or when you get ported back there a menu appears (automatically puts you in chat with the golem there) asking where you want to go back to. The places its asking are the puzzle areas (as you advance you'll be able to port back).
Warning if you die by mob in the puzzle area you'll get ported out to the front gate dead and then have to go back to the waypoint and run back there.
so if you're going to die (mobs are about level 13 and can hit pretty hard) then just jump off the edge to save yourself a little time :)

Was a pretty cool find
12:54pm 31/08/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12688 posts
So, anyone get 72/perma banned for the Norn weapon exploit?
01:02pm 31/08/12 Permalink
Woblzz
Queensland
71 posts
norn weapon exploit?
01:13pm 31/08/12 Permalink
kappa
Brisbane, Queensland
1926 posts
Serial codes for Guild Wars 2 are temporarily unavailable from buy.guildwars2.com.

I was gonna buy tonight :(
01:24pm 31/08/12 Permalink
Ickus
Perth, Western Australia
283 posts
I found some area after I ran through a cave not obvious on the map. A few little jumpy bits later ...


I think there may be one of these in every zone, although possibly not as annoying as the Metrica Province one.

They (chest and location saves) also reset each day so they are repeatable.

I have found (and completed) one in Wayfarer Foothills, Metrica Province and Caledon Forest.
01:50pm 31/08/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7377 posts
norn weapon exploit?

Some Norn karma weapons were being sold for 21 Karma each, people were buying it in 1000's. Anyone who bought above 50 weapons were permanent banned, however ArenaNet have offered to revert perm bans this once to 72 hours bans.

Also Rev, why are you bored? I want to actually know why you are bored of this game, because it honestly does offer quite a substantial amount of content, and tries to broaden it across different playstyles.
01:58pm 31/08/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15827 posts
cheers mephz. i haven't been to the asura area yet so should be nice to explore. i think i'll need to get a couple of more levels beforehand though.
02:44pm 31/08/12 Permalink
mongie
Brisbane, Queensland
7595 posts
Any tips on where to buy from?
04:08pm 31/08/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15829 posts
greenman gaming if official site isn't selling.
04:14pm 31/08/12 Permalink
kappa
Brisbane, Queensland
1927 posts
GMG also not selling it atm :(
04:17pm 31/08/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7378 posts
Any tips on where to buy from?

Try retail stores, any digital ones have either stop selling or only have a few in stock left. If you find one at BIg W/Target/Kmart/JB Hi Fi/D*** Smith then grab one, not sure when the digital sales will be back up. I'm presuming by the time they get more servers up they'll re-enable sales.
04:25pm 31/08/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15831 posts
well they did say they would turn off sales on their site to preserve the game experience.

Turn off sales?

To clarify what I mean by that, we sell the game on our website and we also sell the game at retail. And we know how many boxes we’ve created, so we know how many copies can possibly sell through retail. If it gets to the point where sales are so high that it would be unwise of us to keep selling on our website because it wouldn’t leave enough slots for all the people who’ve already bought and all the people we know are going to buy, then we’d just turn off sales.

That would be a shocking thing to do, obviously — not something that you ever see in the games industry — but for me it’s an easy decision, because for me, Guild Wars 2 is a long-term project. I want players to keep having a great experience, and I know if we had to turn off sales temporarily, it’d be okay.
04:28pm 31/08/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19835 posts
That would be a shocking thing to do, obviously — not something that you ever see in the games industry


Except for Old Republic, but EA was the embodiement of evil when they did it. Apparently when ArenaNet do it they're heroes though.
04:45pm 31/08/12 Permalink
Agamemnon
Brisbane, Queensland
1081 posts
so... i made a char... i made it on some other server as every time i check the season of souls server its full

at the end of the char creation screen it goes through a little movie... is the screen supposed to stay grey after that?

(yes i have the latest drivers as per earlier in this thread?)

press click to end... and it doesnt end... it never ends... grey :(


(also how do i transfer to the other server, assuming the grey ever ends?)
04:55pm 31/08/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7379 posts
so... i made a char... i made it on some other server as every time i check the season of souls server its fullat the end of the char creation screen it goes through a little movie... is the screen supposed to stay grey after that?(yes i have the latest drivers as per earlier in this thread?)press click to end... and it doesnt end... it never ends... grey :((also how do i transfer to the other server, assuming the grey ever ends?)
Weird, sounds like it either can't render the end of the movie or gets into a loop. Try ending the process, deleting the character then retrying. Also it is Sea of Sorrows.
04:59pm 31/08/12 Permalink
Ivonin
Brisbane, Queensland
1098 posts
Some reason I was kicked from guild, what gives?
05:02pm 31/08/12 Permalink
Ivonin
Brisbane, Queensland
1099 posts
Nevermind, f*****g overflow thingy
05:03pm 31/08/12 Permalink
Trauma
Melbourne, Victoria
2882 posts
No that's not normal. It should go in game after that intro.
05:08pm 31/08/12 Permalink
VRBones
Sunshine Coast, Queensland
912 posts
Jumping puzzle in Caledon Forest has 3 major parts (with 2 chests) and a whole lot of awesome as a party / Guild.

Mesmer portals FTW.
06:51pm 31/08/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15833 posts
heh i try to /guild chat but it says i'm not in an guild even though i am.

also i just got a trait point at level 11 but cant seem to use it though.
09:38pm 31/08/12 Permalink
deadlyf
Queensland
2771 posts
You have to buy a book from a trainer to be able to use traits. There should be one near the starting area.
10:11pm 31/08/12 Permalink
Zoidberg
Brisbane, Queensland
81 posts
heh i try to /guild chat but it says i'm not in an guild even though i am.


correct me if im wrong i believe that you can be in multiple guilds, but each character can only represent 1 guild at a time.
the guild chat only works when you are representing one. I was having issues trying to represent when clicking the button didn't do anything. It eventually worked, tho if the bug was fixed or i just got lucky i don't know.
08:14am 01/09/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15834 posts
cheers fellas.
08:56am 01/09/12 Permalink
Agamemnon
Brisbane, Queensland
1082 posts
Man the server i want to get to is full all the time wtf?!
10:41am 01/09/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7385 posts
Man the server i want to get to is full all the time wtf?!

It's the unofficial Oceanic server, and the first one at that. There are a few others now, but Sea of Sorrows is the main one for Oceanic guilds, and as such is filled pretty much all the time. You'll find late at night or early morning is not as full, so you can usually get a spot then.

The greatest thing I love about this game, is that even if you have friends (or you yourself) that are higher level, they can come back down and help you out but still enjoy the content as it was made to be. I've got a friend who is level 46 but coming into our 30 zones means he is our level, and it is just as difficult.
11:09am 01/09/12 Permalink
Reverend Evil
Wynnum, Queensland
20874 posts
It amazes me that you find so many games "boring" yet pipe up about how awesome WoW is constantly.

Is this some sort of elaborate, ongoing troll Rev? Tell me you're not a stupid c*** with no taste, please ;)

I'm just real picky with games these days. If it doesn't hook me in the first few minutes then I prolly just won't bother with it. The combat has to feel right as well. If I don't hear awesome sounds when striking an enemy then that's another deal breaker for me. I wanna know when I'm making contact. Also, the movement of the characters seems a little off. I know I'm picky but I really can't enjoy the game if I keep seeing that stuff.
11:59am 01/09/12 Permalink
Lithium
Rockhampton, Queensland
328 posts
Bought this the other night. Im on Fergusons crossing. Tried out the Elementist and Ranger for about 40 minutes each, but have now settled with a human thief after 2 hours with it.

I find character movement in relation to the camera extremely annoying. I can't pin point exactly what it is I don't like, but I have to hold down right click all the time for it to feel right.

Going to try out some PVP of some description now.

Lithium.6409
12:42pm 01/09/12 Permalink
BladeRunner
Queensland
841 posts
I am playing, I forgot what server I am on though. So far I only like Norn and Human races, The wolf/bear guys are cool too. I dislike those little people......They always have to add a short race to every MMO.
12:54pm 01/09/12 Permalink
Agamemnon
Brisbane, Queensland
1083 posts
short is good for pvp (in my experience)
02:14pm 01/09/12 Permalink
Taipan
USA
3813 posts
Its seems the wvw server rematch has put Dargonbrand (my home server) against you boys on SoS and atm you are copping a pizzling :-p

We had blackgate and FC for the first week and blackgate was totally dominating us and FC.
04:12pm 01/09/12 Permalink
Dazhel
Gold Coast, Queensland
5186 posts
Dazwah.9075 reporting in on SoS

Loaded up gw2.com yesterday afternoon and saw the digital store had the Sold Out sign cos the internet has run out of bytes or something. :( Thankfully JB had a few physical boxes left.
04:43pm 01/09/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7389 posts
Seems to be about a 60mb patch, hopefully it is fixing the AH. Bit slow though, presuming everyone and their dog is jumping in.
05:44pm 01/09/12 Permalink
Tanaka Khan
Brisbane, Queensland
5312 posts
The greatest thing I love about this game, is that even if you have friends (or you yourself) that are higher level, they can come back down and help you out but still enjoy the content as it was made to be. I've got a friend who is level 46 but coming into our 30 zones means he is our level, and it is just as difficult.


Same here. Currently level 35 and went into the Char starting area and it was still fun and not a total cake walk.
06:03pm 01/09/12 Permalink
Timmeh
Brisbane, Queensland
2451 posts
I'm just real picky with games these days. If it doesn't hook me in the first few minutes then I prolly just won't bother with it. The combat has to feel right as well. If I don't hear awesome sounds when striking an enemy then that's another deal breaker for me. I wanna know when I'm making contact. Also, the movement of the characters seems a little off. I know I'm picky but I really can't enjoy the game if I keep seeing that stuff.


Not to throw stones but, Guild wars character control is quirky but it needs to be as it has alot of platform elements, dodging attacks and vistas etc. Which feels alot more, responsive, then wow.

Audio does happen when you make contact, and alot of npc shout random s***, i actually don't find anytime in the game, bar loading it up where it is dead quiet.

everything else, kicks arse. GW2 is WoW without the s*** that wastes your time (sub model)

Guild Wars 2, taking the WoW out of WoW..
06:06pm 01/09/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7390 posts
Pretty much. It has taken all the small little elements out that seem to be persistent in other MMO's, and given users the choice to do whatever they want, whenever they want. Just the fact I can level alone in crafting is enough to justify an entirely new experience that Guild Wars 2 offers.
07:02pm 01/09/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15835 posts
well i'm having trouble with the game constantly crashing my system now :(
08:04pm 01/09/12 Permalink
Timmeh
Brisbane, Queensland
2452 posts
anyone get that "email authentication message?

i didnt enable it.
08:48pm 01/09/12 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
19096 posts
ok i am lev 19 and finding it awesome. never played a mmo before.
01:04am 02/09/12 Permalink
Midda
Brisbane, Queensland
7972 posts
I've noticed a few frustrating bugs with the warrior. Using the greatsword, "Rush" (basically charges the enemy and strikes) seems to go past the target and misses. This happens like more than 75% of the time for me. Also, Whirlwind will not register a single strike more than 50% of the time, even when there's multiple enemies. I haven't played a warrior since the first beta weekend, but I remember it all working fine back then.
01:11am 02/09/12 Permalink
Woblzz
Queensland
72 posts
Just Xferd over to Sea of Sorrows Woo
02:19am 02/09/12 Permalink
Mordecai
Victoria
1433 posts
I've noticed a few frustrating bugs with the warrior. Using the greatsword, "Rush" (basically charges the enemy and strikes) seems to go past the target and misses. This happens like more than 75% of the time for me. Also, Whirlwind will not register a single strike more than 50% of the time, even when there's multiple enemies. I haven't played a warrior since the first beta weekend, but I remember it all working fine back then.

Rush seems to make you go a set distance no matter how close the bad guy is. I found the bull rush skill you unlock when you level up works a lot better as it hits the person you are targeting and doesn't make you go further.
03:10am 02/09/12 Permalink
VRBones
Sunshine Coast, Queensland
913 posts
anyone get that "email authentication message?

I authenticated my account back in the beta, but now it's started sending me "authenticate your IP address" emails. I've authenticated the same IP 4 times now (each time I played), and now it's not even sending me the email :/.

If you haven't authenticated your email, don't (for the time being).
08:45am 02/09/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7393 posts
Apparently it is back to normal now, something was going haywire I presume (according to their wiki posts). Also people keep an eye on the official wiki as it has all the game updates and any news while we wait for forums to open.
10:18am 02/09/12 Permalink
kappa
Brisbane, Queensland
1928 posts
Just bought from the other digital reseller listed on the GW2 site, and got f***ed because apparently ...
Please allow up to 12 hours for order confirmation and delivery of your digital copy of Guild Wars 2 *.


*the 12 hour period only applies to order made between 9:00am on Monday and Friday by 2:00pm. Orders placed on the weekend may not be completed till Monday morning
10:54am 02/09/12 Permalink
Agamemnon
Brisbane, Queensland
1084 posts
finally got move to SoS - please add me to what ever is available, i feel like such a noob hehe

also, why does it keep giving me messages "you are now ready to queue to metrica" or what ever it says, when i am already in metrica?
11:10am 02/09/12 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
8193 posts
I'm trying to get across to SoS as well, hopefully it's free this morning to do that. Will send an invite when I can.

Is the queue message related to the overflow server?
11:13am 02/09/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19840 posts
I got an email from Arenanet telling me my email address has changed and asking me to confirm it, and I don't even have Guild Wars 2!
11:15am 02/09/12 Permalink
Zapo
Brisbane, Queensland
2821 posts
I've just transferred back to Sea of Sorrows, can I get a guild invite to the QGL guild?

Zapo.7390
11:18am 02/09/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7394 posts
finally got move to SoS - please add me to what ever is available, i feel like such a noob hehealso, why does it keep giving me messages "you are now ready to queue to metrica" or what ever it says, when i am already in metrica?

That message is related to the overflow server, basically means you can join the "real" server if you would like to. The only benefit of being on the real server is PVP matches, and if your friends are on there.
11:36am 02/09/12 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
8194 posts
Everyone to here has been invited to the QGL guild on Sea of Sorrows (you can be on any server though). The only exception is infi - can't find your character name.

In the guild list (g) you will see your invite in the bottom left. Click QGL then hit "Join". After you've joined you need to represent the guild (as you can be in multiple guilds) and that just means clicking QGL from the Account Guilds list then at the bottom will be a "Leave Guild | Represent" option. If it says "Stand Down" then you're already representing the guild.
12:12pm 02/09/12 Permalink
Any
Brisbane, Queensland
514 posts
Can I get an invite please? Orian.2735
01:50pm 02/09/12 Permalink
smashcrab
Brisbane, Queensland
60 posts
So I think I'm gonna give this a go. Managed to avoid MMORPG's till now, mostly because I just don't have the time and can't justify paying an ongoing monthly fee for something I rarely get to play.. No fee changes things :P

Is anyone playing this on linux with Wine ? I heard it runs out of the box fine with it, and that's how I'd be primarily playing. All my work shiz is in my linux setup, and I need to be able to drop in and out as things pop up so rebooting into a windows partition is the main reason I haven't had any gaming in months..
01:52pm 02/09/12 Permalink
Agamemnon
Brisbane, Queensland
1085 posts
thanks Eorl :)
02:30pm 02/09/12 Permalink
smashcrab
Brisbane, Queensland
61 posts
Arg .. And where can I buy the digital download right now ? Everywhere seems to be out of stock :(
03:08pm 02/09/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15840 posts
Arg .. And where can I buy the digital download right now ? Everywhere seems to be out of stock :


they've stopped online sales ftm. you can only grab it from a retail store.
03:12pm 02/09/12 Permalink
smashcrab
Brisbane, Queensland
62 posts
FFS. Ordered from myguild.com.au , and AFTER the purchase they inform me that they won't process it until monday. Would have been nice to know that before ordering :(
03:30pm 02/09/12 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
21369 posts
test
04:07pm 02/09/12 Permalink
Ivonin
Brisbane, Queensland
1100 posts
FFS. Ordered from myguild.com.au , and AFTER the purchase they inform me that they won't process it until monday. Would have been nice to know that before ordering :(


Yeah same thing happened to Tiny.
05:22pm 02/09/12 Permalink
kappa
Brisbane, Queensland
1929 posts
I'm on Sea of Sorrows - kappa.6371
10:18pm 02/09/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4924 posts
My necro who hit Lv 30 tonight.

http://i.imgur.com/6uiyr.jpg

Also fun fact: the person who does the voice for the NPC Forgal Kernsson in the Vigil order is Paul Eiding who was the warrior/pepin/lazarus/narator from Diablo 1.
01:07am 03/09/12 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
8196 posts
We did a QGL guild run of AC yesterday and holy s*** it's tough. The lack of dedicated roles really keeps you focused as your health is you're own responsibility so no longer can you just open up on a mob and expect a tank to pick it up.

The bosses were what you'd expect from the first dungeon in the game, nothing too complicated .. until you come up against Vassar and Relena. The fight requires a lot going on and deaths come a plenty - fortunately you can revive at the way point and run back into the boss without it resetting, which I did a lot.

Lots of XP, some decent loots, etc. Can't wait until the next dungeon at 40, CM I think. One other nice feature is that in the middle of the dungeon there was a new client build released. Those outside the dungeons got a 3 minute warning for the game restarting, while we got a 3 hour warning. Just a small thing but made an impact!
07:59am 03/09/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15844 posts
i did that jumping puzzle that mephz mentioned lastnight. damn it was a b****. on one occasion i fell and instead of being ported to the beginning, i kept falling and hit the ground taking 500k damage. so i had to run all the way back from the waypoint.

i also got owned by the boss at the end and i raged because i thought i would have to do everything all over again. however, i was happy to find the little golem at the portal teleports you straight to him.

i'm enjoying the hell out of this game.
08:26am 03/09/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7397 posts
We did a QGL guild run of AC yesterday and holy s*** it's tough. The lack of dedicated roles really keeps you focused as your health is you're own responsibility so no longer can you just open up on a mob and expect a tank to pick it up. The bosses were what you'd expect from the first dungeon in the game, nothing too complicated .. until you come up against Vassar and Relena. The fight requires a lot going on and deaths come a plenty - fortunately you can revive at the way point and run back into the boss without it resetting, which I did a lot.Lots of XP, some decent loots, etc. Can't wait until the next dungeon at 40, CM I think. One other nice feature is that in the middle of the dungeon there was a new client build released. Those outside the dungeons got a 3 minute warning for the game restarting, while we got a 3 hour warning. Just a small thing but made an impact!
It is a really good dungeon, just needs a tad bit of tuning and it would be even more perfect. I've done it a few times now on my level 32 necro with my group, however wanting to hit level 35 so I can do the explore mode which is apparently harder and has some more bosses.

What I really like is as you said, no dedicated roles so everyone is doing everything which is really fun. For example, I've got a Well of Blood spell that is basically an AoE heal, I'll pop that down when people call for it but we also have everyone else using their heals when needed which is really cool. What is more fun is that I can actually tank as a necro if I really want, especially with my stuns and slow dots. The two lovers are probably the hardest in terms of mechanics and keeping them separate, though the king can hit a big one if he wants.
09:23am 03/09/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15845 posts
my elementalist has 2 heals in the water line with the 2handed staff. 1 massive aoe heal and 1 smaller aoe heal. i think the larger 1 is heal over time whereas the other is just a straight up heal for a certain amount.

last edited by ravn0s at 10:08:18 03/Sep/12
10:04am 03/09/12 Permalink
deadlyf
Queensland
2772 posts
I've been wondering how PvE will work. While it's great that all players can play all roles, I don't see how you can control aggro? I know I've had a few encounters where a boss just loved the s*** out of me so I spent the entire fight running around, dying, reviving and then running around again as they were still deeply attracted to me. Other fights I just smash face and don't get any domestic violence at all.

The reason this bothers me is that in groups it's really hard to actually see what the boss is doing and most of my blocking abilities can fart out and do nothing if not timed right. Also, and I'm guessing most classes are the same, if you want to have a strong tank build you have to spec for it and equip the right weapons but without the ability for a dedicated tank to take charge, everyone has to have some tanking abilities and specing to have a strong tank, even if the option is there seems kind of pointless.

I think what they need at least is the aggro thing from WoW, I can't even see the boss in half the fights and the only time I know I'm getting hit is when my health starts to rapidly drop. If there was a bit of warning for us to activate tanking abilities it might feel less spamy.
10:33am 03/09/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12692 posts
deadly - there is no tanking in PVE. Tank, Heal, Damage (+ maybe cc / support) is gone. Instead in GW2 there is:

Damage
Control
Support

You don't really 'control agro', at least not super reliably. You just have to deal with it when it comes your way :)

Understanding of how Control works is lacking at the moment because everyone is new. AC for example would be a LOT less brutal if we had better Control - at the moment its about Support, Damage, and Trying Really Hard Not To Die.

Some methods of Control (a heavy armour profession taking a few hits, pet tanking, knockdowns) are reasonably obvious but some are more subtle. For example, firing a Projectile finisher through a Chaos armour field results in Confusion combo.

I was able to solo Control a champion in AC pretty well by remembering to swap pets (didn't have 2 bears at that point so one was weak), use LOS and rolls + Quick Shot, even so it was very close in the end when he finally went down. Gotta keep on the move all the time.

PVE events in the world where there are 20 people mashing on a boss will be spammy, but part of the reason for the 5 man cap on all serious PVE is IMO because skillful play requires interweaving of skills into combos which can't be done well in big groups.

I really, really don't want them to dumb it down by adding taunts etc.
10:45am 03/09/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4925 posts
I love how tough AC is and hope they don't nerf it. People are so used to the tank/healer/dps role that it's a fantastic change where you have to look after yourself much more and if you don't have at least 1 skill that can cripple enemies you are really putting yourself at risk. I love the challenge, there is there is nothing like soloing a really tough mob that put up a hell of a fight because you were able to dodge and keep him slowed enough.
11:58am 03/09/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15847 posts
i really need to learn to control and do some combos. atm i just spam spells. :/
12:47pm 03/09/12 Permalink
glynd
Melbourne, Victoria
780 posts
i really need to learn to control and do some combos. atm i just spam spells. :/


http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Combo

love doing blackpowder -> heartseeker combo which gives stealth.
01:48pm 03/09/12 Permalink
deadlyf
Queensland
2774 posts
deadly - there is no tanking in PVE

Yeah I guess I just don't get why you would spec as a tank or wear a shield as a warrior and possibly guardian if you don't know whether it will be useful or not.

I mean, healing utility, CC utility, vulnerability utility, boon utility are always going to be useful in any situation. Higher armour, the ability to block, stability and damage mitigation abilities are only effective on the off chance you become the target of the boss for an extended period of time.

I guess I'm just a little bit frustrated that for 99% of the game if I wasted a weapon slot on a shield or too many tanking abilities I would be basically penalised for it with less utility or damage. But for that 1% of times, if those abilities aren't there I'm going to have a rough time. This might specifically be a warrior issue as well, I know when I played a thief I didn't feel like I was giving anything up to have a little bit more survivability or the ability to kite.

If I could block for another player then it'd be different and awesome, as the ability would always be useful but as it stands it feels like a self gimp for most of the time.

Also last time I was on, TP was up and man there are some cheap bargains to be had. People are already listing stuff 1c above vendor price, which if you are going to sell it might seem pointless since with the fees for listing you may as well just be vendoring but if you are buying you are getting some nice gear on the cheap.
02:14pm 03/09/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12693 posts
I don't play a heavy armour wearing / defensive class, but there's a few things that immediately spring to mind. Some of this you probably know but its a good thread to spread info :)

You CAN take hits for people, projectiles in particular. If you see a squishy getting pounded you can stand in front of them and the shots will hit you instead. I do it all the time with my pet out in the world, get the bear between me and the ranged add if I start taking arrows to the .... no, I won't do it..

I also have abilities that offload damage from me to the pet, is there nothing to transfer a mob's hits to you at all, even in higher trait lines etc?

You CAN get a mob's attention, just not the 'snap' you have with a taunt in a traditional MMO. It will rely on the group member rolling away and probably a Cripple (this is where keeping a Cripple control skill for when its needed rather than spamming is a good idea!). I've noticed that mobs often shift to my pet even if its brand new out of swap and I quick shot away or roll a couple times. Mobs are opportunistic and like to hit what's near them.

Sometimes people go down, its inevitable if you get stunned in a nasty red ring and you're under full life. I've noticed its a lot easier to get a mob's attention when someone is down, being down is a big threat debuff. So squishy goes down, whack the mob, lead it away and take some hits so support can rez. Its super important to get downed players up before they are defeated.

Can warriors swap weapons out the way Rangers can? If so I can see how it would be useful to shield up and take some hits while your group members stabilise in a s***** situation.

So yeh, imo its more a case of can't tank endlessly (and hold agro very easily) than can't tank at all. Your armour and hit points are part of your control, not the end of the story. You still need to move around and avoid being hit like the rest of us.
02:32pm 03/09/12 Permalink
Midda
Brisbane, Queensland
7973 posts
Can warriors swap weapons out the way Rangers can? If so I can see how it would be useful to shield up and take some hits while your group members stabilise in a s***** situation.

Every class except for the engineer can swap between two weapon sets.
02:47pm 03/09/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12694 posts
Every class except for the engineer can swap between two weapon sets.

Good to know.

Also, be aware of water fields! Firing finishers through them adds stacks of regeneration. Regeneration stacks duration, so you can pile on regen time if you fire / attack through the field.

Awesome read:

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/473/view/forums/thread/363449/page/1

I really wanna try this now, I don't use many fields and I have some really good ones for traps etc :)
02:57pm 03/09/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15851 posts
You CAN take hits for people, projectiles in particular. If you see a squishy getting pounded you can stand in front of them and the shots will hit you instead. I do it all the time with my pet out in the world, get the bear between me and the ranged add if I start taking arrows to the .... no, I won't do it..


i noticed this the other day when i was attacking a mob. it ran behind a tree to attack someone else and all i was doing was attacking a damn tree until i moved.
03:14pm 03/09/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7401 posts
i noticed this the other day when i was attacking a mob. it ran behind a tree to attack someone else and all i was doing was attacking a damn tree until i moved.
Heh yeah, the combat is definitely a different bundle compared to your standard MMO of tab target + shoot. Simply targeting a mob is not enough, you have to ensure you are in range and have a clear line of sight.

Guild Wars 2 has hitbox combat, so as Hog said you can stand in-between a player and take the hit for them if you want to. We did the first dungeon last night again, Ascalon I believe its called, and I was actually tasked as a control role for a little bit in some boss fights because I had a few stuns and cripple abilities. Basically you want to ensure before going into the boss fight that everyone has an ability to stun if in trouble, and also a utility ability. From playing for nearly 50 hours now, I'm starting to feel that your weapon is what you will use for getting the damage abilities, and then the next 5 abilities will be a heal and then a combo of utility/control abilities.

It will take time though, and don't get instantly frustrated that you are dying often. As you learn how to control your character right and get a feel for whatever roles/traits you are running through, you'll get more use to the combat.

Also the AH is up, and it is very, very cheap. Just bought a stack of green woods for my ele for 4c a piece, was so damn cheap. Though I can see Jute and other linen materials being more expensive due to a variety of crafting choices using them.
03:30pm 03/09/12 Permalink
deadlyf
Queensland
2775 posts
Can warriors swap weapons out the way Rangers can? If so I can see how it would be useful to shield up and take some hits while your group members stabilise in a s***** situation.
Yeah you can but like I said, unless you were sure it would be specifically useful it's kind of a gimp. I weapon swap constantly between a big 2h and dual wield. Just about any combo of weapons actually has decent defensive capabilities.

I usually have a 2h mace which actually has 4 CC options, 3 of which are aoe. If I were to main hand a mace and offhand a sword I'd have 2 blocks, 1 daze and a stun as well. That's basically 6 general CC abilities and 2 focused from weapons alone. When you add the utility abilities I could have I make a formidable control character.

Generally I think my issue was with the value of abilities that protected only you versus the control abilities that could protect anyone. For instance I felt a stun would always be more useful than a block or damage immunity since you don't need to mob focused on you for it to be a defensive ability.

What I'm struggling with is the worth between such abilities. I can pick a bunch of abilities that would make me to be a true traditional tank, why that option is in a game which doesn't want traditional tanks I don't know. But all of those abilities come at the expense of control or utilities that just seem to be so much more valuable.

I'm beginning to think though that maybe a lot of these traditional tanking abilities are meant for PvP and I need to stop worrying about them.
04:58pm 03/09/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12695 posts
I can pick a bunch of abilities that would make me to be a true traditional tank, why that option is in a game which doesn't want traditional tanks I don't know. But all of those abilities come at the expense of control or utilities that just seem to be so much more valuable.

I'm beginning to think though that maybe a lot of these traditional tanking abilities are meant for PvP and I need to stop worrying about them.

Well, tanking as we tend to think of it is part of Control. Its not in itself a complete job. You can pick a bunch of abilities that would look like a traditional tank build, but you'd fall down a lot because there is no dedicated healing to make up for cooldown gaps.

My gut says that rather than disregarding tanking altogether (or going all-tank) that its something that should be done in bursts as needed as part of a balanced Control build for the group you're in. In most groups the job of a warrior is surely going to be often Control, but you can't mix having tank abilities up with traditional tanking as it won't work.
05:19pm 03/09/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19843 posts
I guess nobody is doing endgame raiding and stuff yet (or is there any?) but it seems like it'd be a bit of a clusterf*** without dedicated healers and tanks.

I dunno, I think whats been turning me off this game lately is all the things people are rejoicing about being removed are the things I like. I mean, dedicated healers and tanks are a good thing imo, I like having specialised roles. By all means let everyone have the choice to be any and every role and build it up with the skills they want (like Secret World does), but I still think clearly defined roles are a good idea and I can't see difficult endgame raid content working with everyone taking a piecemeal approach to their spec and just dabbling in a bit of everything. I mean, even as far as damage dealing goes, if you want to pump out maximum dps, you don't want to be wasting skill slots of having to take too many tanking (or control in this case) abilities, or more than like 1 emergency self heal type ability.
05:22pm 03/09/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12696 posts
Had a big post Khel, but I can't explain it. The language has failed me :(

Specialised roles feels like blinkers now. You know that exhilaration when you're healing a group or a raid, some s*** goes down, you pull some crazy kung fu and everyone survives? Even lowly trash pulls are like that in GW2 instances, yeh its chaotic and messy but its much more satisfying (to me anyway). Traditional MMOing really feels starched and formulaic now?

I won't miss 10 and 20 man raids, but yeh its not for everyone.
05:40pm 03/09/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7405 posts
I can pick a bunch of abilities that would make me to be a true traditional tank, why that option is in a game which doesn't want traditional tanks I don't know. But all of those abilities come at the expense of control or utilities that just seem to be so much more valuable.I'm beginning to think though that maybe a lot of these traditional tanking abilities are meant for PvP and I need to stop worrying about them.
It gives you those options, as well, options. There is no triangle of love in this game, as I can tank anything I want as an elementalist, or heal, or just pure DPS. All the options given are for that means, a varying amount of roles. It doesn't mean there is no tanking/healing/dps, just means there is no centred role, and when in a dungeon you need to ensure you have the capability to switch when needed.

Khel, it is hard to explain, but basically having no dedicated role for each person actually enhances the game tenfold compared to traditional MMO's. In an MMO like Star Wars or WoW, if I'm a priest I have the option of healing or DPS, that is all my class can do and I can't change that. Sure I can tank but I'm going to die instantly, because I'm not offered any of those abilities that tanks gain for damage mitigation or agro pulling.

In Guild Wars 2 everyone gets everything, a whole list of abilities that you can use when you want to that can turn the tide of battle and change your role depending on what you want/need to do. Take for example my elementalist. While I have a staff equipped I gain 5 abilities for each of my 4 roles (fire, water, air and earth), each role has a different set of skills for different circumstances and I can switch at my leisure with only a very small cooldown on the previous role. This enables me to enhance my combat to how I want to play, and if I feel like tanking I sure as hell can, either by using stunning/incapacitating abilities or agro pulling abilities.

While I can understand in an MMO like WoW or Star Wars, having designated roles does help tell certain people what to do and profile/keep them contained in their roles, it wouldn't work well with GW2. The combat and the hectic nature of it definitely works so much better with unique and pertaining skills, and with the ability to cast-move it definitely changes things up.

Note: There isn't the form of raids that people are typically use to in traditional MMO's. There are Dynamic Events that play like raids, with gigantic bosses that require certain strategies, but otherwise there are the every 10 level dungeons starting from level 30, with 2 modes included (story and exploring).
07:00pm 03/09/12 Permalink
Agamemnon
Brisbane, Queensland
1086 posts
Hey Hoggie, can you please invite me, Grundfaust :)
07:40pm 03/09/12 Permalink
deadlyf
Queensland
2776 posts
You can pick a bunch of abilities that would look like a traditional tank build, but you'd fall down a lot because there is no dedicated healing to make up for cooldown gaps.
I honestly think I could tank indefinitely with the right setup, on weapons alone I could have 2 blocks, 4 dazes, one stun, one knock down and one knock back. Add 2 rolls and 3 utility slots that can all be tanking abilities I think you could actually chain cooldowns forever without taking more damage than could easily be healed back via regen skill.

Now I'm not saying that's what I want to do, but it seems like I have way to many goddamn tanking abilities for a game that doesn't have dedicated tanks.

As it stands, regular melee mobs can't actually hurt me. My health regens faster than they can do damage.
07:57pm 03/09/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12697 posts
I honestly think I could tank indefinitely with the right setup
...
As it stands, regular melee mobs can't actually hurt me. My health regens faster than they can do damage.

Try it in a group instance, mobs are surprisingly brutal. I suspect you're wrong, as they've built the game such that traditional tanking shouldn't be possible.

Regular mobs are a very bad barometer. With 2 bear pets loaded I can fight 2-3 +2 or +3 level mobs almost forever, and can kill most veteran mobs easily. I can't do it on AC trash let alone champs.
Hey Hoggie, can you please invite me, Grundfaust :)

Not an officer.
08:15pm 03/09/12 Permalink
Woblzz
Queensland
73 posts
As a Warrior... i cant group heal D:
12:50am 04/09/12 Permalink
MARLINBLADE
Queensland
450 posts
I just love how there's always something going on in this game... man i haven't even bothered with the story quest yet cause i'm too caught up exploring and taking part in all the little events that pop up... really enjoyable time sink this one...

Oh and one of my turrets is a heal/regen which works really well in a group battle situ, and has good aoe too
07:50am 04/09/12 Permalink
deadlyf
Queensland
2777 posts
Warriors need to spend 30 points in tactics to choose between one of two group heals.

I was in some area last night and there was an event where you fight a huge ghost ship. I had no idea what was going on so swam out and started hitting it while being chased by several hundred thousand undead (possible exaggeration). I died of course and when a rezzed on the beach I saw that there were cannons set up to fire at it, which makes a lot more sense than hitting it with a spear when you think about it.

The cool part was when the ship was defeated, with a huge groan it broke in two and sunk to the bottom of the ocean. It was probably the coolest spectacle I had seen yet from an event.
08:03am 04/09/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7407 posts
Just wait till you meet the Shatterer.
08:05am 04/09/12 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
8199 posts
The William.... Shatterer?
08:30am 04/09/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12698 posts
Ticcles and I were swimming across a river the other night, and I said to him 'look up'.

There was a pair of centaur catapults set up on a bluff that were launching fiery boulders at a riverbank town. The smoky trails were passing hundred of meters above our heads in this huge arc, it looked amazing. S*** like that man. S*** like that.
09:25am 04/09/12 Permalink
kappa
Brisbane, Queensland
1932 posts
Only level 10 so far but, f*** this game is amazing.

The depth of combat is brilliant. The events are great even though they are very similar to rifts. The world looks/feels alive.

So much to learn and explore but yeah, amazing.
09:34am 04/09/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12699 posts
The events are great even though they are very similar to rifts.

They are a little staged / rifty to begin with, but it does change and they become deeper.

For example I was about to log out last night after spending a while defending a town when suddenly it was on.The NPCs led an invasion of centaur territory and took over this huge centaur town, the NPCs set up shop and everything once we won.
09:37am 04/09/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15854 posts
i was on the overlow server the other night and an event popped up for godslost swamp in queensdale. ran over there to discover a mass of players attacking a huge monster. i joined in and we eventually downed him and got our chest of rewards.

while looking at the loot in my bags, the message popped up to transfer to the proper server. i transferred over to discover another mass of players killing the same monster. i helped out and we killed it. i didn't get another chest of loot though which made me sad. :(

one thing i thought was strange is that i jumped into the first fight when the monster was at half hp, but i still got a gold rating. second fight it was at full health and i only got a bronze rating. is there some sort of cooldown for events or something?

last edited by ravn0s at 09:47:10 04/Sep/12
09:45am 04/09/12 Permalink
kappa
Brisbane, Queensland
1933 posts
Yeah I remember reading that events can alter the world, which what you've explained sounds really cool.

Also strange thing happened while I was instanced in a friends story quest. Group of about 10 mobs we had to get past, so we tried to take them all on since we assume pulling one would agro the rest. Kept dying. So then we accidentally only pulled one mob and the others didn't agro :S So we did it one by one.
09:49am 04/09/12 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
8200 posts
It took until Gendarran Fields (25-35?) before the events started to feel less staged and repeatable. Last night I was in the next zone over and the first town was almost overrun by NPCs. So the players all regrouped and started hacking down the enemies to free it up - awesome fun!
09:50am 04/09/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7409 posts
one thing i thought was strange is that i jumped into the first fight when the monster was at half hp, but i still got a gold rating. second fight it was at full health and i only got a bronze rating. is there some sort of cooldown for events or something?last edited by ravn0s at 09:47:10 04/Sep/12
I'm actually not sure, I've had that happen to me this morning when I was doing a DE in the beginning of the Norn territory, a bit north of the green fielded area/where it starts getting snowy. It was the yeti one, however I kind of ran ahead when they were hunting the yeti and was just auto-attacking while he was invul yet I only got bronze afterwards even though I was there when he was full health. I have a feeling you may have to either be there when the DE starts to get gold, or enter into from outside instead of spawning in.
10:00am 04/09/12 Permalink
Taipan
USA
3814 posts
Not sure what everyone else is choosing to do but i am using my main to go through and complete every starter zone and gather lowbie crafting mats as i do it. I want 100% completion of every zone on that character and ill use the mats i gathered to lvl up any alts i have made through crafting and pvp.

The fact that i have such flexibility when lvling is one of the truely awesome things about this game.
10:38am 04/09/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4927 posts
Did AC explorable last night and the only way I can describe it is, holy mother of f***. That thing is beyond brutal. You get your ass handed to you 6 ways from sunday and I was running with guildies who were all 80. We may of died and spent 20s+ on repairs but we made it past the 1st boss and then got stuck due to bugged mobs we couldn't kill. They don't f*** around with explore mode.
11:14am 04/09/12 Permalink
Dazhel
Gold Coast, Queensland
5189 posts
It took until Gendarran Fields (25-35?) before the events started to feel less staged and repeatable.


Ahh good, yeah the thing I've noticed is that the first time you do the events they're awesome, the third of fourth time they pop up it can feel a little cheesy. Though I kept wandering around and I ended up joining in and killing the shaman in Wayfarer Foothills three times before I stumbled upon the location where the DE storyline starts and got to go all the way through.
11:20am 04/09/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15855 posts
Not sure what everyone else is choosing to do but i am using my main to go through and complete every starter zone and gather lowbie crafting mats as i do it. I want 100% completion of every zone on that character and ill use the mats i gathered to lvl up any alts i have made through crafting and pvp.


i think i'm going to go to other starter areas as well because atm i'm doing hearts that are 2 levels higher than me because i'm not getting enough xp to keep up with my exploration.
11:24am 04/09/12 Permalink
deadlyf
Queensland
2778 posts
Yeah when you start off you wont get enough XP from one zone to be able to move straight on to the next. It's not a bad idea to clear the first area and then do some of the story quests and use the mats you've gathered to level up a craft. That's the only way you can move on without going to another starting area.

Even later on it might work out the same, I don't notice it though as crafting is kind of ass backwards at the moment where most of the mats I need to make gear for my level (and in fact 5 levels higher) are only found in lower area's and I tend to get 3 or 4 levels just getting mats in lower areas.

one thing i thought was strange is that i jumped into the first fight when the monster was at half hp, but i still got a gold rating. second fight it was at full health and i only got a bronze rating. is there some sort of cooldown for events or something?
Maybe a short one, since you did it right after the other. I know I've done a repeatable portal event several times in a row and got gold for it every time but that event took 5 or 6 minutes to complete.
03:58pm 04/09/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7413 posts
I am the hero Tyria deserves.

http://i.imgur.com/Bk6xz.jpg?1
08:16am 05/09/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4929 posts
Went from 42 to 53 last night in around 6 hours from cooking and doing pvp with a 5 man group. Real easy to level if you have good players to back each other up.
08:58am 05/09/12 Permalink
boba
Cainer
Brisbane, Queensland
3731 posts
So I played some WvWvW this morning and it's awesome sauce. But the lag really ruins playing melee. Might need to shelf my Their and go back to my Engineer or reroll some other ranged.
10:55am 05/09/12 Permalink
Ickus
Perth, Western Australia
284 posts
Played WvWvW for about 2-3 hours last night as a ranger. Worked quite well as we had a couple of people directing the swarms as needed.

Great source of exp and green loot.
11:11am 05/09/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4930 posts
Oh speaking of WvW Sanctum of Rall was up against SoS last night and you guys gave us a good thrashing it seemed. Our group had to take our Doylak farming to another zone because you guys owned nearly everything.
11:43am 05/09/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12702 posts
Jesus DM, do you ever play a game without doing s*** like dolyak farming?

Not trying to be rude, but it seems like every time I speak to you you're telling me about some boring s*** that you can do over and over for great exp / loot?!
12:03pm 05/09/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7416 posts
Made nearly a gold on the AH, Jute and Vials of Weak Blood just sell for so much money at the moment. Found a great place to farm the weak blood as well so I can maximise my profit, though I'm only farming a very small amount of my playtime, rest is put into getting up to level 30 with my ele so I can do AC.
12:08pm 05/09/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15856 posts
i haven't even touched pvp yet, but i know i'll love it because it sounds just like daoc used to be.
02:13pm 05/09/12 Permalink
deadlyf
Queensland
2780 posts
I made 2g on the trading post I think and immediately went to a few silver after I stopped selling and started buying. I bought mats to make my own gear that I can't even wear for a couple of levels yet and yellow grade weapons that were a few silver each.

Had massive buyers remorse when I realised I, a) need 2g to get the next level of tactics training and b) could have converted that money to gems and bought more bank space which is so full I had to vendor a bunch of crap.

I had an awesome fight with a champion spider last night. I came across another warrior getting their ass handed to them so I threw down my banner which revives people and ran to their aid. We got it down to 25% after a pretty epic battle when the server reset on us. We both logged back in though and showed that spider who was boss.

I noticed how retarded I have been playing my warrior though. I basically had 90% of the bosses attention during the fight, the first time around it was spawning eggs which hatch into spiders that do a bit of poison damage and I was using everything to keep alive but the second time around I decided to try and crush the eggs before they hatched and found they were super squishy. Without the spider adds my health bar never really dropped to any scary level and I wasn't sweating on cooldowns like I had previously.

The big difference I noticed though was that when I backed off to kill eggs, the boss spider would switch to the other warrior and in the few seconds it would take me to kill the eggs and get back into melee range for the spider to switch back to me the other warrior had lost most of their HP.

It was only then that I figured maybe I'm focusing too much on survivability so I switched out my main hand mace which I used because it has a block to main hand axe and holy s*** do things die so much quicker now. I didn't realise how much of a difference it would make, mobs die at least twice as fast now. I was starting to get frustrated with how long it took me to kill things but now my warrior is a complete bad ass!
02:54pm 05/09/12 Permalink
Lithium
Rockhampton, Queensland
329 posts
Ive moved to Sea of Sorrows in hopes of finding more people to group PVp with.
02:55pm 05/09/12 Permalink
glynd
Melbourne, Victoria
782 posts
got my first rare dye last night ... hot pink haha. wish i didn't waste it on my thief. should have sent it to my giant norn warrior
02:58pm 05/09/12 Permalink
Taipan
USA
3816 posts
Yeah got a midnight purple the other day, not a bad colour. I also got a pitch which is one of the many shades of grey. Gotta like how once you have aquired a dye you have it for good on that character, its a nice change from past mmo's.
03:09pm 05/09/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12703 posts
Yeah got a midnight purple the other day, not a bad colour

Yeh I got this a while back, goes well with my Ranger's tree-elf-thing green I reckon!
http://i.imgur.com/n7lwM.jpg
04:39pm 05/09/12 Permalink
BoDGie
Brisbane, Queensland
589 posts
Did AC with Hogfather last night. (Ta for coming Hogfather!)

Thief so squishy... I lost count the number of times I got one or two hit.
05:08pm 05/09/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4931 posts
Unless you stack tons of toughness, most classes go down in about the same really when getting beat on in dungeons. The dungeon after AC has these horrific snipers who can 1 shot me if they choose.
05:10pm 05/09/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12704 posts
Did AC with Hogfather last night. (Ta for coming Hogfather!)

Thief so squishy... I lost count the number of times I got one or two hit.

Was a really good run, I've done it three times now and by far it was the cleanest.

Getting the lovers down like that was crazy good :)
05:19pm 05/09/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4932 posts
Wait till you try explore mode. It's pain on a whole new level. Perhaps it's because I got used to the AC difficulty but I thought the mansion dungeon (40) is much much faster and easier to do. Also there is some rather funky armor ingame. I just picked a random 70+ set from the trading house without previewing it for transmution and came out with this. Best hat ever too.

http://i.imgur.com/1GMoK.jpg

last edited by DM at 17:27:09 05/Sep/12
05:25pm 05/09/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15858 posts
why must they take the servers down just as i start playing? :(
06:14pm 05/09/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4933 posts
They are back up already
06:21pm 05/09/12 Permalink
Timmeh
Brisbane, Queensland
2468 posts
havent really been playing lately, about 3 hours since friday....
got a week off work randomly next week so might play som then.

Stupid work making me take holidays before i hit 3rd year so they dont have to pay me 3rd holiday wages.
06:24pm 05/09/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7420 posts
I'm currently stuck in the Lion's Arch maze of doom. Hope the treasure of this dead captain is worth it, but holy crap is this just a huge plus on the environment.

Annnnnd all was inside was a blue scepter and a gem. Ah well, was a really interesting change to grinding mobs and handing in boring quests like other MMO's. Also met a few people trying to complete it as well, had some good laughs.
10:35pm 05/09/12 Permalink
Woblzz
Queensland
75 posts
Hit Level 80 on my Warrior last night, and now not to sure on what to do >.>
12:40am 06/09/12 Permalink
qmass
Queensland
10433 posts
where does one buy this game @ a reasonable price?
02:23am 06/09/12 Permalink
Ha
Brisbane, Queensland
297 posts
what's bad about 70 dollars with no monthly subs?
06:06am 06/09/12 Permalink
MARLINBLADE
Queensland
451 posts
Finally made it into Sea of Sorrow... damn that server is nearly always Full...

Add me anyways...

Marlinblade.8596
06:46am 06/09/12 Permalink
Keato
Melbourne, Victoria
532 posts
Had fun with Altze, Bones and some others in WvWvW last night. Was fun watching the zerg follow us as Bones had a better idea what to be doing.
Looking forward to getting a few groups together and making a difference.
SoS seems to have a very friendly chat environment. Really enjoying the game.
Also Fire Wiz pwn.
07:55am 06/09/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7422 posts
where does one buy this game @ a reasonable price?

They currently have digital sales closed down still to prevent mass influx destroying servers, so best bet is to pop into JB or D*** Smith for cheaper sale.
08:21am 06/09/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19854 posts
Hit Level 80 on my Warrior last night, and now not to sure on what to do >.>


But the whole game is the endgame man!
10:18am 06/09/12 Permalink
Lithium
Rockhampton, Queensland
331 posts
Just finished 100% the first area of Queensdale for the humans and got some phat loot for it.
12:05pm 06/09/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7426 posts
But the whole game is the endgame man!

How was that 6-8 months of no content going?
12:16pm 06/09/12 Permalink
Enska
Sydney, New South Wales
1809 posts
lul, just thought I'd drop into the thread to see what MMO bandwagon Eorl has launched himself upon this time.
04:10pm 06/09/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7432 posts
Hey, I'm the bandwagon king here.
04:56pm 06/09/12 Permalink
glynd
Melbourne, Victoria
784 posts
Had fun with Altze, Bones and some others in WvWvW last night. Was fun watching the zerg follow us as Bones had a better idea what to be doing.
Looking forward to getting a few groups together and making a difference.
SoS seems to have a very friendly chat environment. Really enjoying the game.
Also Fire Wiz pwn.


all it took was one guild train and everyone just jumped on board haha. that was great fun.
04:59pm 06/09/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4934 posts
They are fixing the WvW rewards during this maint tonight I heard. I only did it that one night but from about 5 hours of doing doylak escorts with a partner (who was a monster of a ranger, he took on 4 guys at once and beat em all), killing anyone we came across and taking camps I made over 18,000 karma. Playing with warrior at the moment and having a ball at how strong it is, even at lower level.
05:10pm 06/09/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15859 posts
can't login :(

05:17pm 06/09/12 Permalink
Phooks
Brisbane, Queensland
2362 posts
Just finished the charr starting area as a after getting sick of midgets. Started a norn hunter and loving it.

so far in terms of storyline and gameplay i'm finding

norn > Charr >>>>> midgets?

Also finding warrior pretty useless for PvP (& great for PvE) but probably just because I was low level.

last edited by Phooks at 17:21:19 06/Sep/12
05:18pm 06/09/12 Permalink
Phooks
Brisbane, Queensland
2363 posts
yeah servers down for maintenence/new build rav
05:19pm 06/09/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15860 posts
damn, how long is the downtime going to be?
05:21pm 06/09/12 Permalink
Phooks
Brisbane, Queensland
2364 posts
We'll perform a significant update tonight at midnight Seattle time, during which the game will be unavailable for approximately one hour.


so ~50 mins from now if you're lucky

P.S. Is it worth it to sell collectibles on the trading post atm, then wait until they become cheaper later in the game to make an overall profit?

last edited by Phooks at 17:26:04 06/Sep/12
05:23pm 06/09/12 Permalink
Woblzz
Queensland
76 posts
They are fixing the WvW rewards during this maint tonight I heard. I only did it that one night but from about 5 hours of doing doylak escorts with a partner (who was a monster of a ranger, he took on 4 guys at once and beat em all), killing anyone we came across and taking camps I made over 18,000 karma. Playing with warrior at the moment and having a ball at how strong it is, even at lower level.


fixing the WvW rewards how? : )
06:11pm 06/09/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4935 posts
As it stands right now, for a Lv 52 per yak escort, I was getting about 2000 exp, 200 karma and 2 silver. 300 karma if you get a booster. In some maps you can escort a yak in about 2 minutes and if you have both points can escort 3 of them in 4 minutes. Meanwhile assaulting a keep gave me 5,200, 300 karma and about 4s and can take anywhere from 5 to 15 minutes or longer. It is just so much faster to escort yaks in order to gain the massive numbers needed to buy armor (like 68,000 karma per item).

They need to give keep assaulting/defending higher rewards while lowering the yak ones. Ideally the rewards would be length based so the longer you assault a keep the better reward you get for succeeding.
06:17pm 06/09/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7433 posts
so ~50 mins from now if you're lucky

P.S. Is it worth it to sell collectibles on the trading post atm, then wait until they become cheaper later in the game to make an overall profit?last edited by Phooks at 17:26:04 06/Sep/12
Yes and no really. I'm currently farming a spot that drops near 100% Vials of Weak Blood so I can get some gold to increase my Artificing and Weaponsmith, though I'm not sure how good the prices will last.
07:02pm 06/09/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19857 posts
P.S. Is it worth it to sell collectibles on the trading post atm, then wait until they become cheaper later in the game to make an overall profit?


If its uncommon, and in demand, then yes absolutely sell it and then buy it back later when its cheap. If your aim is to make money, thats a much better route to go than crafting it into stuff while the initial boom is still on and its worth a lot.

Once the price has settled, buying and selling crafting mats is generally a good way to get a constant stream of income from the auction house (or trading post or whatever). You just need to do a bit of research, watch prices for a bit, takes notes on what sells and at what price it sells, then when you've got a good idea of what the market value of something is, and what you can sell it for, buy out anything significantly cheaper than that price and relist it.

Remember though, you're not interested in the prices things are *listed* for, you're interested in the prices things *sell* for, which is a little bit trickier to determine. You'll want to be checking the AH a few times a day, and take note of what prices things are listed for, and how long the auctions have remaining, then check back later in the day and see which of those auctions are gone before they would have naturally expired (generally safe to assume they sold, unless they were stupidly priced ones that got cancelled). Also keep in mind if its a high traffic commodity, you don't necessarily need to shortchange yourself and list at the cheapest to sell, you can probably list somewhere in the middle, and the market will catch up to your auctions as the cheap stuff is bought out, and you'll sell anyway.

And selling in sensible stack sizes can make a big difference too, if everything on the AH is in stacks of 20, and you list yours in stacks of 5, you can probably charge more per item than the guy listing in stacks of 20 and people will still buy it cos they might only want a couple and not a whole stack of 20. But then the opposite is true too, if its a commodity people generally need a lot of, you'll have more luck selling in bigger stacks, rather than listing singles or small stacks which will likely just get ignored in that case. If a person needs 100 of something, they're not going to f*** around buying 100 singles or even 20 stacks of 5.
07:16pm 06/09/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12706 posts
Stack sizes don't mean anything in GW2 Khel, people buy the quantity they want from the pool available at the lowest price.

http://i.imgur.com/m0yOC.jpg

It changes the AH dynamic for mats considerably.

You should probably play the game if you want to do so much commentary :p
07:24pm 06/09/12 Permalink
Mephz
Brisbane, Queensland
1171 posts
Had fun with Altze, Bones and some others in WvWvW last night. Was fun watching the zerg follow us as Bones had a better idea what to be doing.
Looking forward to getting a few groups together and making a difference.
SoS seems to have a very friendly chat environment. Really enjoying the game.
Also Fire Wiz pwn.
I think you left before the huge guild came in [GULL] and we create a gigantic SoS zerg train and took over the entire Fort Aspenwood map?

That was awesome :)
07:31pm 06/09/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19858 posts
Sounds like a much less interesting AH to play then! Sounds more like the D3 one
07:56pm 06/09/12 Permalink
deadlyf
Queensland
2782 posts
There is a lot more going on with GW2 economy than WoW could ever hope for. I remember I used to pop open the AH in WoW, search for gems, buy them by the 100's and then vendor them for more money because that's how f*****g retarded people were.

In GW2 there are two prices for any item, the lowest sellers price and the highest buyers price. The buy price is instant gratification for sellers and the sell price is instant gratification for buyers, because of that it's not a bad idea to put in a low buy price to temp sellers and then put it back as a higher sell price for buyers.

In fact I'm sure that is already the standard procedure for people who love playing these games for the economy as I see quite a few buy prices that are at half what the sell price is and if you list it at the sell price it still sells really quick.

The other interesting thing is the gem trade. Gems are the real money currency that can be used to buy all the vanity and non-essential items in the game but you can convert in game silver into gems instead of shelling out cash. The value of gems goes up and down depending on the market and you can also convert gems into silver. Originally I thought it would be the one economy but they have split the values so that if you are trading gems to silver you could get less back than if you trade silver to gems which is a bit s*** IMO.
08:25pm 06/09/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19859 posts
because that's how f*****g retarded people were.


Thats the fun though, getting rich off the mistakes of people who don't realise what stuff is worth! Buying out the whole supply on a limited item and jacking the price right up, or crashing the market on something to force competitors out. Tweaking the bid price on your auctions so you can list at the same buyout as your competitors but appear above them in listings. Listing on at an unreasonably high price on the AH one bank alt, then logging on a different one and barking the same item in trade chat for "cheaper than AH!", I love doing stuff like that. Or at the moment, stockpiling the stuff people are panic dumping cos its near the end of an expansion, then selling it 6 - 12 months down the track when supply has dwindled for huge profits. I probably spend as much time stuffing around on the AH making money as I do playing the game, its like a game within a game! Not being able to see the names of the other people listing stuff takes some of the fun out of it too, can't build up rivalries or alliances, or know who to target and screw over :P

Not knocking the GW2 one, it sounds good to use as a player and sounds like its been built with that goal in mind, but it doesn't sound as interesting or have the depth or is as manipulateable so you could play it as a kind of meta-game itself :(
08:47pm 06/09/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7435 posts
Haha it is very manipulative when you make it so. A recent Reddit post that delved into how the Mystic Forge worked encourage users to not sell their Mystic Coins (a core part of getting better weapons) for a mere 45 copper. The price then shot up 1000% due to the warnings, definitely proving it can be manipulated as a market.
10:37pm 06/09/12 Permalink
Mordecai
Victoria
1438 posts
Yes and no really. I'm currently farming a spot that drops near 100% Vials of Weak Blood so I can get some gold to increase my Artificing and Weaponsmith, though I'm not sure how good the prices will last.

Where would this spot be? I am in the need of weak blood vials.
09:28am 07/09/12 Permalink
kappa
Brisbane, Queensland
1939 posts
Completed 100% of that forest zone last night :D Pretty happy with that.

What weapon combos are people using on their necros?
10:03am 07/09/12 Permalink
Midda
Brisbane, Queensland
7974 posts
Where would this spot be? I am in the need of weak blood vials.

Skales in Queensdale are great. On the river-side just south of Scaver Plateau (that area where the big starting boss is for the humans, if that helps), there's a few Skale nests and a bunch of Skales that respawn pretty quickly. They go down fast, and they drop the vials pretty frequently. Kill them for 10 minutes and you'll have a good 20 or so vials.
10:32am 07/09/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4938 posts
I got a 53 necro who is off resting at the moment while I play warrior. Anyway I went with the standard bleed build with scepter/focus while solo. Few days before she went on rest though I tried out a dagger siphon health build with dagger/focus and i've not had any issues with it. I run without pets and never fall under 3/4 hp because i'm able to heal myself so much. Kills a little slower but fun still I think.
10:41am 07/09/12 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
19102 posts
I'm in Queensdale now and need blood asap. Thanks for the tip.
02:04pm 07/09/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7441 posts
In the Norn zone, Snowden Drifts, there is a place called Owl Lodge in the bottom right of the map section that has bats on a fairly quick timer. That is where I'm currently farming for Vials of Weak Blood.
02:35pm 07/09/12 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
19103 posts
that spot in Queensdale is solid gold!
02:41pm 07/09/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4939 posts
For those who want small poison sacs here is where I farm them. In Kessex Hills take the Delanian Foothills waypoint and go into the cave with the skill point in Draithor's Demesnes. Most of the mobs here drop sacs on top of tiny fangs. I got a fair few greens doing this at like Lv 16

EDIT - Also having a 24 warrior with a roaming crit rate of 93% - 124% is unbelievable.

last edited by DM at 15:01:25 07/Sep/12
02:59pm 07/09/12 Permalink
Taipan
USA
3817 posts
I have been doing the exploring thing and while work has been getting in the way i havent been making bad progress i guess.

100% The Grove
100% Caledon forest
100% Queensdale
100% Wayfarer foothills
100% Lions Arch

Been gathering like a mad man so my next couple of alts will get a good xp boost when i get them their crafting skills.

I am loving this game and loving how i have so many choices of things to do that all help my chars progress. I wont hit 80 anytime soon but i really dont care because for the first time in an mmo i have played leveling isnt the be all end all.
03:02pm 07/09/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4940 posts
Getting 100% in the towns gives you mainly access to transmution stones and some crafting gear. Getting 100% on leveling maps gives you random greens and from mid to high level you start getting yellow and exotics. So it's worth trying for 100% on the maps you are doing.
03:04pm 07/09/12 Permalink
Taipan
USA
3818 posts
I have been enjoying clearing zones with more purpose than to just level, its been a nice change. The fact that gathering leads to some good character advancement by way of crafting is sweet. The icing on the cake is while i am out gathering there is always other things going on wheather it be tasks or events. I swear this game has done a great job of getting rid of time sinks or in the very least repackaged them in a way that you are unaware you are taking part in one. Havent found a thing yet that feels like a grind.

I think gw2 might just of started sounding the death knell of the old school grind and not a moment to soon. Itll be interesting to see what follows in other games in the future.
03:14pm 07/09/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7442 posts
I saw something yesterday that outlined how crafting worked, and in it was stated that you can only get a maximum of 10 levels out of crafting experience, unless you use the crafting booster. So might be more worthwhile to hold all the crafting materials to level from 70-80 or something, as to not create such a large gear gap.
03:29pm 07/09/12 Permalink
deadlyf
Queensland
2783 posts
Where did you get that maximum of 10 levels info from? I've only been doing one profession and I reckon I'd be getting close to 10 from that alone.

Also there is definitely no point in holding back on crafting. The only value for the stuff you make is if you wear/use it yourself since you can buy it from the TP much cheaper than you can make it. Not only that but the later zones and events are so much better you won't have troubles getting those last levels anyway.
03:46pm 07/09/12 Permalink
Woblzz
Queensland
77 posts
the Zerg fest at straits of destruction got me from 70-80 pretty quickly and over 50k karma, People there can be a little d***ish though
03:50pm 07/09/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7444 posts
Hmm seems like that Reddit piece was wrong then, ah well. Go forth and craft people. I reckon once the economy starts to mature later on, you'll find crafting will be more profitable in selling items for an actual profit. At the moment people are just chucking junk up because it is a lot easier then going back to town to sell.
03:55pm 07/09/12 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
8206 posts
What weapon combos are people using on their necros?


I've gone scepter/dagger and 2h staff with a no pet build. It has good damage output and survivability.
04:36pm 07/09/12 Permalink
Trauma
Melbourne, Victoria
2889 posts
What weapon combos are people using on their necros?

2h Staff (mainly for Mark of Blood AoE heal) with maximum minions atm, my personal dmg output is mediocre but with 6 minions going s*** dies fast enough. Only issues are that Necro does not get a pet bar so I can't give them orders, also they can be pretty s*** at path finding on some terrain. The ranged minions often get the first hit in and thus tank the mob, I resummon those two a lot.
04:58pm 07/09/12 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
8207 posts
That's why I dropped the pet build, they just started to s*** me off with their craziness and random targeting and attacking of mobs. I switch between 2H for AoE with multiple mobs and the scepter/dagger for single target.
05:32pm 07/09/12 Permalink
Gesthemene
Brisbane, Queensland
1306 posts
Can someone swing me an invite to the QGL guild please? Will be online in c~45 minutes. Name is Gesthemene.5137
05:34pm 07/09/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15865 posts
I have been doing the exploring thing and while work has been getting in the way i havent been making bad progress i guess.

100% The Grove
100% Caledon forest
100% Queensdale
100% Wayfarer foothills
100% Lions Arch


heh i'm doing the same as you. so far i've done:

100% queensdale
100% kessex hills
100% divinity's reach
100% metrica province


i really need to start switching weapons. atm i just stick to 2h staff when i can also use sceptres, foci and daggers.
05:54pm 07/09/12 Permalink
Dazhel
Gold Coast, Queensland
5192 posts
So it's worth trying for 100% on the maps you are doing.


Definitely. Esp when the regular heart quests get you 80% of the way their anyway, and the rest are usually out of the way vistas and a few skill points. The completion feature I'm happy to see in an MMO, since exploring in others you're never 100% sure whether you've seen and been absolutely everything/everywhere. GW2 will just track it all for you!

It took me a little while to get the snow leopard lodge vista in Hoelbrak though, with the simple yet infuriating ledge jumping.
05:57pm 07/09/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15866 posts
i like how if you're at a POI or a vista and you open your map there will be little symbol underneath the icon indicating whether it is above or below you.
06:07pm 07/09/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15867 posts
bah elementalists cant switch weapons during combat.
08:31pm 07/09/12 Permalink
Dazhel
Gold Coast, Queensland
5193 posts
i like how if you're at a POI or a vista and you open your map there will be little symbol underneath the icon indicating whether it is above or below you.


Nice, I'll have to take a look as I hadn't seen that.
Also, I note that some POIs are inside special instances after spending a long time hunting for some of the stubborn ones.
09:07pm 07/09/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7445 posts
bah elementalists cant switch weapons during combat.

They don't get double weapons anyway sadly, though kind of makes sense with 20 different abilities available.
09:24pm 07/09/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4941 posts
09:46pm 07/09/12 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
19104 posts
i am thinking she is wearing one of those butterflies in her knickers.
10:53pm 07/09/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7446 posts
Tried killing a level 28 world boss hidden beneath an underwater puzzle and it was definitely not possible with only 4 people. Apparently he drops rare items and even the chance for an exotic weapon, you can find a walkthrough here if anyone is interested, recommend a group of at least 20+.
11:23pm 07/09/12 Permalink
Ivonin
Brisbane, Queensland
1103 posts
heh i'm doing the same as you. so far i've done:

100% queensdale
100% kessex hills
100% divinity's reach
100% metrica province


i really need to start switching weapons. atm i just stick to 2h staff when i can also use sceptres, foci and daggers.


100% Queensdale
100% Kessex Hills
100% Divinity's Reach
100% Brisban Wildlands
100% Gendarran Fields
100% Lion's Arch
100% Hirathi Hinterlands
90% Metruca Province

Yeah ... I need a life
04:13pm 08/09/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15872 posts
got to level 30 so can now do AC with guildes. i always think of daoc when i see AC.

lion's arch and wayfarer foothills are now 100%
09:58am 09/09/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4945 posts

Ahahahahaha

Also walking into AC for the first time will be a huge difficulty step up. I loved it.
12:55pm 09/09/12 Permalink
kappa
Brisbane, Queensland
1942 posts
Can I get a guild invite pls
04:56pm 09/09/12 Permalink
Gesthemene
Brisbane, Queensland
1307 posts
I'm still waiting for an invite too :(

Gesthemene.5137 - Human Elementalist (Sea of Sorrows)
05:08pm 09/09/12 Permalink
groganus
Brisbane, Queensland
2415 posts
grogan.5762

Couldn't get onto the un-off aussie server so went on some random, G'invite ya?
05:21pm 09/09/12 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
8211 posts
All invited!

groganus - just try checking every now and then to see if SoS isn't full, when it is you can transfer then.
05:25pm 09/09/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7462 posts
This thread on Reddit sums up my thoughts that I'm seeing recently on how the end-game is non-existent or they are poor or the dungeons are too hard. I really should avoid outspoken communities, they have way to much negativity. Though in saying that I don't ever want to hear "omg this is the greatest game ever", but I'd rather hear constructive criticism.
05:33pm 09/09/12 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
19114 posts
WHAT THE F*** IS AC they have so many acronyms in this game
05:41pm 09/09/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7463 posts
Ascalonian Catacombs, the level 25/30 dungeon in the Charr starting zone.
05:42pm 09/09/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19863 posts
Haha, the solution to endgame is to chat to people instead? Sounds pretty hardcore. The "But the game just came out, give the developers some time to make endgame content" is what happens with pretty much every MMO that gets released, and it never works. It might be true, but that doesn't really stop people getting sick of having nothing to do and moving onto a new game.

I think some people when they say "Don't be negative, be constructive" they really mean "Only say good things about the game". I'm sure Guild Wars 2 is a big boy, it can handle some criticism and negativity.
05:54pm 09/09/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15873 posts
i thought endgame was pvp, like in DAOC.
06:02pm 09/09/12 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
19115 posts
what do they expect , an epic boss monster and then a fireworks show when they clock the game? isnt the point of mmos is that they go on an on...?
06:04pm 09/09/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12709 posts
There's plenty of level 80 content, world events (and map completion), WvW, sPVP and hard as f*** instances.

I think its the lack of faceroll daily dungeons or scripted stand-here-now-stand-there raids that irks people?
06:25pm 09/09/12 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
8212 posts
Stop hating khel and come and join the bandwagon!


First, the devs are working their asses off to fix some really broken s***.


What's some really broken s***? The trading post is about the only thing I've seen go up and down for maintenance but everything else seems fine.
06:27pm 09/09/12 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
8213 posts

I think its the lack of faceroll daily dungeons


It's this that keeps me entertained. Vanilla WoW with UBRS, Stratholme and the other one in WPL I can't remember the name of which made the game so damn awesome and fun. When WotLK kicked off with the "heroic" dungeons and steam rolling them to get badges, it just became uninteresting and boring.

Having difficult and challenging content in an MMO is bloody exciting and I'm looking forward to running the dungeons in both modes a lot.
06:29pm 09/09/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7464 posts
People want stuff handed to them Khel, simply because WoW has done that and is now the standard for MMO development. If they can't do it within launch then it just isn't worth looking at. This is what WoW has done to the MMO genre and now that Guild Wars 2 actually makes things difficult, people are running around not knowing how to act.

Currently at end-game, you can do PvP which includes WvW and tournaments, story or explore dungeon modes, world bosses, map completion, crafting or dance around in the cities. It doesn't have the raid element that WoW relies so heavily on, which is a negative but also a positive, because you are instead out and about, seeing what the world is like instead of being stuck in an instanced area.
06:33pm 09/09/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19864 posts
Stop hating khel and come and join the bandwagon!


I'm not really hating on the game, just the blind devotion and praise bugs me. Its like when a mate goes all googoo over a new chick and you're like "Come on dude, step back and think rationally for a second and take a balanced view of things" but he just can't see any of the negatives.

The game sounds interesting, and if it wasn't for the fact that I expect to have all my spare time fully eaten up by WoW in a few weeks time I'd probably buy it to try it out, but considering I just moved and have no internet for the next week or so, then MoP comes out not long after, I wouldn't get a chance to give it much of a spin.
06:40pm 09/09/12 Permalink
Dazhel
Gold Coast, Queensland
5198 posts
Sounds perfect, like you'll be ready to play right after ArenaNet address all the criticism and fix all the negative aspects Khel!
06:44pm 09/09/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12710 posts
I'm not really hating on the game, just the blind devotion and praise bugs me

Its just a really good MMO. I'm still going to buy MoP but I may not even unwrap the box...
06:48pm 09/09/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19865 posts
Currently at end-game, you can do PvP which includes WvW and tournaments, story or explore dungeon modes, world bosses, map completion, crafting or dance around in the cities. It doesn't have the raid element that WoW relies so heavily on, which is a negative but also a positive, because you are instead out and about, seeing what the world is like instead of being stuck in an instanced area.


Yeah, but thats just it, what about the people who don't really like PvP? For me (and I'm sure I'm not in the minority), endgame is all about raiding and gear progression and working on beating really tough fights as a guild. I don't really like PvP at all, and no matter how you package it, crafting and achievement hunting don't cut it as endgame content (and thats not a GW2 gripe, I think achievement hunting in WoW is f*****g retarded also).

And theres a huuuuuuuuuuuuuge range of stuff they could with their raids, its not like the only options are "Be WoW" and "Have nothing". I'm sure they probably have plans and just haven't had time to roll it out yet, and as a developer I totally empathise with that, but as a player I don't think its irrational or entitled to expect there to be a full range of content for people to play through when the game comes out. And once again, not a GW2 specific whinge, both SWTor and Secret World lost me for the same reasons.

It doesn't have to be WoW style endgame or served up on a silver platter, in fact I loved stuff like the old attunement chains and other such mechanics which Blizzard consider too convoluted now and have removed. And I'm sure the GW2 guys could go in directions with raiding that I haven't even conceived. But come on, having nothing at all in that regard? How are people managing to stick their heads in the sand and pretend that isn't an issue?
06:50pm 09/09/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7465 posts
And that is the problem, people think the game HAS to have endgame in order to be of any magnitude of importance. Because Guild Wars 2 doesn't focus on gear progression as much or having the be-all-end-all raids, it offers a whole different aspect to the MMO genre. For me personally, not having to worry that I must be level 80 by a certain period or I'm not enjoying it enough is the best thing about this game. I don't like exampling WoW so much, but in it, I felt that the only progress was getting to endgame because that is all it ever offered.

For example, in WoW adventuring across the continents never actually gave you anything of substance besides seeing some really cool places and doing the quests that helped you gain levels to endgame. There was no emphasis on the actual levelling part, it was all just focused on "well when do I get end level?" Being able to actually enjoy every single zone how it was meant to be played at that level is something that I enjoy thoroughly in Guild Wars 2, and hoenstly if ANet had focused on the endgame more, it would not have been as enjoyable.

You are still saying there is absolutely nothing to do at endgame, but there is a heap of stuff to do. There is progression in endgame to a certain degree, you need to do dungeons to get tokens to make your legendaries (which are very, very hard to do). The bonus is that everywhere will scale your level, so dungeons will always be difficult and feel like the day that you first walked in because you don't have any OP'ness compared to WoW and going back into older dungeons.

I think what many people are struggling with is that Guild Wars 2 isn't WoW. It isn't like any other MMO because it doesn't follow that gear progression chain, and people are getting lost because they are so use to a hand guiding them through. They probably do have plans to make a raid or endgame big boss or something, but for now there is seriously a crap load of stuff to do. I haven't even reached level 40 yet, and I now have a level 32 elementalist and a 32 necromancer. Only one of my friends is level 80, and he is still doing older zones, even beginning zones to get completions and is also running the first dungeon for tokens. There is a huge amount of stuff to do, it is just that people are putting blinders on because they still have old habits that won't die quickly.

Oh yeah also I've seen heaps of WoW players claim it is the holy grail (which it may be for some). You'll find fanboys on every game, just how it goes.
07:08pm 09/09/12 Permalink
Thundercracker
Brisbane, Queensland
3238 posts
I tend to wonder if the expectation of an end-game was crafted by many MMOs of past, including WoW.

Diablo 3 gets a lot of s*** for not having an end-game, but to be honest Diablo 2 didn't really have one and most action RPGs don't. You play through to the end and then that is it, end of game.

I have just picked up Guild Wars 2 and I'll be happy enough to level up a character assuming the content keeps me interested. And for a game without a subscription fee I'm OK with this. If the content gets boring or grindy I'll go play something else.

But for end game content I know pandaland adventures (WoW) will be the place to be, and I'll cough up the monthly fee to partake.
08:07pm 09/09/12 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
8214 posts
I guess the definition of 'endgame' probably needs to be worked on to fit in with the GW2 model. Players coming from the WoW background will expect 10/25/40 man raids to be the end game that take time to progress through to defeat the bosses, get gear upgrades, etc.

This exists in GW2 but on a 5 man level. There is 8 dungeons at launch and they all level scale so AC you did at 30 will be the same difficulty at level 80 (or even harder I've heard). Each dungeon has a story mode and explore mode which opens up parts of the dungeon not previously accessible, adds bosses and increases difficulty again.

The "PvP" at end game is the World v World v World (WvWvW). It puts 3 servers against each other to do things like construct keeps, sieges weapons, take over resources and so on. I've only seen a fraction of it but it reminds me of the old Alterac Valley where matches would last for days! You can kill other players or you can assist in reaching the PVE components if needed.

As Eorl said, it's a different game/genre - not just another crack at an MMO.
08:20pm 09/09/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12711 posts
Yeah, but thats just it, what about the people who don't really like PvP?

Yeh but that's just it, the game doesn't have to appeal to the raid set to be a good MMO.

It hasn't been left out for future dev, it was explicitly not included, I suspect largely because they wanted to focus on world vs world, 5 man and dynamic s***. If you want to do a weekly 10 man raid thing, this isn't the game for you (and that's fine, there's lots of MMOs that do that).
08:21pm 09/09/12 Permalink
Midda
Brisbane, Queensland
7975 posts
What bugs me is that people are looking at this like other MMOs, which are actual financial investments. When you've put lots of time and money into a game, then sure, I guess you'd really want there to be this constant stream of content. But with GW2, you get people who rush to level 80, then do all of the content they're interested in, then whinge that there isn't more. What the f*** do they expect? Was their $60 investment for 300+ hours of entertainment not worth it? If you feel like you've experienced all it has to offer, then play something else. Come back for the next update (because it's not like you've had to keep paying a subscription), and play the new stuff.

And besides all that, I feel Hogfather's last post needs to be reiterated. If you like games that focus solely on raids, well, go play one of them. There's plenty of them. I couldn't give a f*** about raiding, in fact, I quite dislike it, and I'm glad that it's not something I'll be "expected" to do at the max level of this game. I don't want every MMO to just try to do the same thing in a different way. The most fun I have in any MMO is progressing through the world, and finally, there's an MMO that has focused on making exactly that the most enjoyable part of the game.
08:35pm 09/09/12 Permalink
mongie
Brisbane, Queensland
7600 posts
Just joined

mongie.4739
Mongie
Human Guardian on Sea of Sorrows
08:42pm 09/09/12 Permalink
Dazhel
Gold Coast, Queensland
5200 posts
^ Haven't you been following mongie!? There's no end game content so it's not worth the bother of playing.
08:45pm 09/09/12 Permalink
Taipan
USA
3822 posts
the blind devotion and praise bugs me


Thats pretty funny coming from a guy that pretty much personifies that. Wow has proven to be an incredibly good incubator for gamers with that exact attitude. As I matter of fact I'd pretty much point the finger squarely at Wow for easily having the greatest number of blind, mindless unquestioning devotees of any game on the planet.

Guild Wars does some things awesomely ..... it's not a brainless time sink it's not a grind feast it's not an epeen comp outside the AH it's not a queue for everything it's not inconvenient. Bottom line it's not Wow and thank the flying spaghetti monster for that.

What is is a game thats very well made with a focus on being fun from the ground up and not a second job. No need to be Mr E Peen and get to 80 1st so you can show off or bash lowbies because it simply doesn't matter. Its a game that for me says take your time and enjoy it and frankly its the first MMO I ever played that felt like this.

I am so very pleased that a company has taken the time to pull apart the MMO genre and put it back together in a package that doesn't make me feel like a slave to the machine. Every aspect so far has been enjoyable and to illistrate this best you don't have to look any further than what they have done with under water combat. Its the first game where you could argue that under water areas are almost zones in their own right and have clearly been given as much time in development as any other part of the game.

Am I blind ... yeah I have been dazzled by something I didn't think I'd see from a game for a god few years yet. No thanks to wow and the blight that is the benchmark it set.
08:55pm 09/09/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12712 posts
Maximum member limit reached lol

We'll need to pony up some gold for a bigger guild :p

Bumped it up, we good to 100 now
08:57pm 09/09/12 Permalink
Phooks
Brisbane, Queensland
2366 posts
10:19pm 09/09/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19866 posts
Thats pretty funny coming from a guy that pretty much personifies that.


Hey, I'll readily admit theres plenty of flaws in WoW (or any MMO I've enjoyed really). Nothings perfect.

Fair enough if GW2 has no intentions of including raiding, just seems odd to me that they wouldn't try and cater to as many people as possible instead of outright excluding stuff. Why couldn't raiding live happily alongside the other stuff in the game? If you don't want to do it, don't do it, nobody's holding a gun to your head. I don't get where this imaginery pressure comes from to raid that people keep talking about. Nobody is forcing it on you, theres nothing in WoW (or any other recent mmo) that prevents you from levelling at your own speed and enjoying the content, if you want to rush to the endgame and start raiding thats a choice you make.

Anyway, I guess I just don't get it. I would have thought more content and more ways to play the game would be a good thing, isn't GW2 all about offering people the choice on how they want to play the game after all?
10:21pm 09/09/12 Permalink
deadlyf
Queensland
2787 posts
I hit 80 the other night, didn't even notice until I logged in this morning. That's how little max level means to me.

I think initially there were people racing to level 80 because they thought the game was like WoW, i.e. all pointless filler and grind until max level. Then when they got there expecting to be heralded as elite like they would be in WoW, no one cared and they realised it really wasn't a big deal to be 80 so they b****ed and moaned about there not being content that sets them apart like in other games.

I'm far from seeing all the content in the game and would actually love to be leveling another character if I could only tear myself away from my adventures with my warrior. Hell I've yet to do a dungeon.

This morning running around exploring Lions Arch I found pirate treasure after following a ghost around a cave. Although the treasure was ass it was a f*****g cool experience and I pretty much just stumbled upon the whole thing.

Not everything is perfect, that's for sure. In one 70-75 zone events are farmed by The Zerg. They just run around a relatively small area of the map doing one event after the other, it gets pretty boring after a while and what's worse is all of the other events on the map have almost no one attempting them. When I first got there I died dozens of times trying to do events that I saw near by but it was like a ghost town with no one coming to help, I had to turn the map chat on to find out that everyone was just running around in a big group doing easy events which is why the rest of the map is basically empty.

The other thing that sucks a big set of hairy balls is underwater combat. I hated it in WoW and I would say it's quite a bit worse in GW2 if only due to the combat mechanics. At first I didn't mind it because the mobs were a lot easier but in later levels there is a s*** load of stunning and general a******ry from mobs that makes me avoid it as much as possible.
10:21pm 09/09/12 Permalink
Taipan
USA
3823 posts
Fair enough if GW2 has no intentions of including raiding, just seems odd to me that they wouldn't try and cater to as many people as possible instead of outright excluding stuff. Why couldn't raiding live happily alongside the other stuff in the game? If you don't want to do it, don't do it, nobody's holding a gun to your head. I don't get where this imaginery pressure comes from to raid that people keep talking about. Nobody is forcing it on you, theres nothing in WoW (or any other recent mmo) that prevents you from levelling at your own speed and enjoying the content, if you want to rush to the endgame and start raiding thats a choice you make.


I think you are way way way over eastimating how many people actually raid because they enjoy it. Raiding for most people is a means to an end and all about being there for the sole purpose of gearing up. Wow is built completely around making it to the pointy end of things and if you don't have the gear tough s*** you don't get in to experience a chunk of the content. So yeah there is a gun being held to peoples heads and yes they are being pushed into raiding because the games progression demands it.

FOr me nothing could be worse than sitting around for an hour or two waiting on 39 other people to get their s*** together. There is always some f***head either willing to and or capable of f*****g up hours worth of work and sometimes you can't even blame them. When you are forced to jump through hoops or play a digital version of twister (stand on the green line move to the red line or watch the tail swipe .... I mean seriously F*** off can we just kill this s*** and go have some fun) stupid s*** happens. It simply isn't fun and I am not in the minority in thinking so.

If you didn't offer the best gear in game for completing raid boss kills you'd be lucky to ever get a group together to do it. And you sure as hell wouldn't be able to scratch up a group that would give up 8 hours every sunday for weeks and weeks to complete a gearless raid.
10:41pm 09/09/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19867 posts
I'll admit, I'm probably basing some of my arguments on mis-conceptions or misinformation I have about what GW2 is, but it seems to me theres just as much misinformation and as many mis-conceptions about what WoW is on the other side of the argument as well :(
11:05pm 09/09/12 Permalink
Zoidberg
Brisbane, Queensland
83 posts
edit: video was already posted
11:13pm 09/09/12 Permalink
Woblzz
Queensland
80 posts
Set my goal for a new Greatsword today, it costs 390 tokens from the citadel of flame dungeon, 16 runs left to go before i can get that sweet sweet sword.. and then you know continue if i wanna get all that sweet sweet set gear from there : D
01:57am 10/09/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15875 posts
did AC last night with a few of the guys. it was pretty difficult without any defined roles like tank and healer, but it was fun overall.

i like that they have the waypoints in the dungeons so you can just run back to the boss and continue fighting when you die.
09:26am 10/09/12 Permalink
Midda
Brisbane, Queensland
7976 posts
Yeah, it was great fun. It's crazy how strong all of the "trash" mobs are. I also love how the story is immediately obvious. Just half an hour before we went in there, my personal story progressed to the point where Eir was like "there's something I need to go and do," and then catching up with her inside was cool and unexpected. When I played WoW, I never had any idea of how each dungeon fit in with the overall story, but here it was integrated directly in my character's personal story. I haven't played any MMOs for ages, so I dunno, maybe that's pretty common now, but I still thought it was cool.
10:22am 10/09/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4946 posts
I like that you have choices to make constantly throughout your story and there have been many times i've had to really stop and think what I wanted to do. Only gripe about that though is they havn't fully implemented the effects of your decisions yet. They claimed that all of those different moments would be reflected in your home and the look of it would change, people would shift around and all sorts of things would happen where has right now just a few npcs vanish or appear in the human zone. They need to get that working soon.

As for the whole endgame thing I always hated the idea of raids so not having any is good for me. Having to be online at time x and stay for y amount of hours just pissed me off.This is also a game where i'm really not busting my arse to get to 80 asap. I've leveled a fair few characters up and yet I don't feel i've wasted my time unlike in other mmos. I've got multiple 80s in my guild, some of which are lv 400 in all but 1 or 2 crafting jobs and it makes me think, why the f*** would you rush all that? Seriously just slow down a bit it's only been out a little while and your blasting through everyone fast as you can.
10:56am 10/09/12 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
8215 posts
Do any necro's know how Reaper's Touch works? The tooltip information is;


Send out a scythe that bounces between foes and allies. Causes vulnerability on foes and regeneration on allies


Do you have to be targeting a foe for it to do the vulnerability, targeting an ally to do the health regen or is it a target less ability. I've been trying to watch what it does when fighting but I can't seem to get it to consistently reproduce the behaviour I would have expected. As in, target a friendly, use it, see boon on friendly for regeneration..
11:42am 10/09/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7466 posts
Do any necro's know how Reaper's Touch works? The tooltip information is;Do you have to be targeting a foe for it to do the vulnerability, targeting an ally to do the health regen or is it a target less ability. I've been trying to watch what it does when fighting but I can't seem to get it to consistently reproduce the behaviour I would have expected. As in, target a friendly, use it, see boon on friendly for regeneration..
Apparently it will just bounce between foes and surrounding allies, so targeting an enemy will make it hit them, bounce to an ally, hit a foe etc. This part of the wiki explains bouncing in greater detail.
11:46am 10/09/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4947 posts
You target an enemy for it to work and if you are point blank it hits you twice I think, both times stacking regen on you. It doesn't seem to hit pets and will vanish if it has no target to bounce to after the initial hit.
11:46am 10/09/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15876 posts
I like that you have choices to make constantly throughout your story and there have been many times i've had to really stop and think what I wanted to do.


i had to choose between joining the durmand priory, the vigil or the order of whispers for my personal quest. i decided to go with the order and went on a mission to save a girl from pirates. i actually had to best the pirates in a drinking game while an ally found where the girl was being held. i'm guessing the quest would have been different if i went with the priory or vigil.
11:49am 10/09/12 Permalink
Mephz
Brisbane, Queensland
1173 posts
Nearly 30 now. Still loving the game.
Done a fair bit of WvWvW. Changed up from Staff Elementalist to Scepter/Dagger.
Dear god, even at level 30 if I get my combo's off I can just annihilate people.
Unfortunately it's a two way street. Quite the glass cannon.
It reminds me of old old school wow rogue hit and run, but without the stealth
01:05pm 10/09/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4948 posts
I like the elementalist combo field builds which involve taking arcane wave and using that to self-trigger your own fields. Can get some awesome buffs at much needed times using that. Also any class without a decent amount of toughness will get rocked in pvp.
01:29pm 10/09/12 Permalink
kappa
Brisbane, Queensland
1943 posts
What's with the recent GW2 tweets?

http://twitter.com/GuildWars2
01:56pm 10/09/12 Permalink
glynd
Melbourne, Victoria
785 posts
What's with the recent GW2 tweets?http://twitter.com/GuildWars2


pretty sure they're quotes from that "races of tyria" trailer

"Brain, not brawn, will change the world" - Asura
"If you are bold enough, your legend will live forever." - Norn
"We rip each day from life's teeth" - Charr
"Nothing can break our spirit." - Man
02:51pm 10/09/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7467 posts
Hmm, Guardian sounds like they got a bit of a buff + tweak in the latest patch. I'm contemplating rolling a Ranger to play around on, hearing interesting things from my friend who is level 80 and they seem quite fun. Think I'll stick with my Elementalist for a bit, loving the varied skill set.
03:34pm 10/09/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15878 posts
I like the elementalist combo field builds which involve taking arcane wave and using that to self-trigger your own fields.


lava font + arcane wave = area might. i think i can substitute the arcane wave for an earth attunement spell though.

i also use arcane wave with some of the healing and ice spells.

last edited by ravn0s at 15:55:41 10/Sep/12
03:54pm 10/09/12 Permalink
Mephz
Brisbane, Queensland
1174 posts
Okay I'm getting pretty sick of this so maybe im missing something so I'm going to ask.

Is 3/4 of the player base just retarded or am I retarded and missing something with the AH?

I go to sell things (almost anything) and it goes something like this.

Vendor Price: 40c
Trading Post List Price: 2c
771 sellers found listed at: 41c

This does not make any sense! why are people making losses, why bother putting it on the TP at all?

05:07pm 10/09/12 Permalink
Zoidberg
Brisbane, Queensland
84 posts
oh I know mephz, its seriously f*****g retarded how many people post s*** for less than vendors price.

the only things i have seen that actually sell for a profit are yellow crafting materials and even then its only a few copper, or if you are really lucky and get a yellow weapon that almost no one else is selling.
I sold a level 56ish yellow greatsword for 25silver was only 1 other up at the time and it was 6silver

i think the way the TP sets the default price so low that the 1st people are only making a few copper profit. Next person posts their stuff and automatically sees the lowest price, so they sell theirs for a copper less. Everyone wants to have the lowest price because the buyer will only buy that stock. and therefor due to the economics of scale the prices drastically dropped to vendor price
05:27pm 10/09/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12718 posts
This does not make any sense! why are people making losses, why bother putting it on the TP at all?

People are selling unwanted items from the field at vendor price rather than going back to town to flog it.

Gets the items out of your bag and you can keep playing. Even if the transaction fails you just clean it up in Lion's Arch, drops flow fast enough that the interruption to gameplay isn't worth it to go back to town to deal with weapons and armour.
05:31pm 10/09/12 Permalink
deadlyf
Queensland
2788 posts
People must have no bag space then, there are vendors every 5 feet.

If people are doing that, I bet they don't know you can deposit collectables on the go. Carry around a stack of salvage kits and you will never have full bags again.
06:25pm 10/09/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12720 posts
People must have no bag space then, there are vendors every 5 feet. If people are doing that, I bet they don't know you can deposit collectables on the go. Carry around a stack of salvage kits and you will never have full bags again.

Except that salvaging blues and above rewards you less than the vendor price. I gave up salvaging items and forging them when I realised how cheap s*** is on the TP.

Gold is scare in GW2.
07:19pm 10/09/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7469 posts
Gold is a much more valuable resource then other various MMO's. You'll find that the accessibility of the TP is both a blessing and a curse, due to how easy it is to push stuff out of your inventory while out adventuring. For example, I can push all my unwanted crafting components onto the TP as soon as they go into my bags, without having to hold up and wait until I reach a town. This serves as a great way to be rid of unwanted space, but also makes the TP fluctuate dramatically.

I'd say the economy will slowly mature over time, but for now enjoy the stupidly low prices on stuff while it lasts, because once word gets out that certain cheaper components can be sold for a helluva lot more (mystic coins for example were 4c!) then they will jump up at an extraordinary rate. Take the recent change to a few Karma cooking ingredients. ANet just changed things like Sticks of Butter to non-account bound and non-Karma and the price soared to nearly 2s a piece, was insane.
07:33pm 10/09/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15881 posts
bah downtime again?
07:51pm 10/09/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4949 posts
Just the combos I know of using Arcane Wave and staff

Lava Font = AoE Might
Frozen Ground = AoE Frost Armor
Geyser/Healing Rain = AoE Healing
Static Field = AoE Swiftness

I thought Eruption was supposed to be Protection but doesn't seem to be that way. You can quickly rack up might stacks (9 if your quick enough) with scepter/dagger fire builds by using Ring of Fire, Dragon's Tooth and Pheonix. Lets you put a lot of hurt one mobs while they are up.
07:52pm 10/09/12 Permalink
deadlyf
Queensland
2789 posts
Except that salvaging blues and above rewards you less than the vendor price. I gave up salvaging items and forging them when I realised how cheap s*** is on the TP. Gold is scare in GW2.
Actually just noticed how much white gear is selling for on my alt, way more than what you could sell the salvaged gear for. Stuff like that usually worries me, I think that someone must know something that I don't and I shouldn't just sell them in case I need them for something.

On the other hand, ka ching!

Still, I haven't run out of bag space since I moved out of the 8 slot bags period of my crafting. It sucks that to make better bags I have to spend 2g on a vendor item though
07:52pm 10/09/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4950 posts
Also login servers down for anyone else?
07:58pm 10/09/12 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
19116 posts
awesome raid of the AC last night with a few of the QGL guild. mad fun guyz.

anyone up for it again tonight?
08:20pm 10/09/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12721 posts
Was top s***, im out tonight tho
08:22pm 10/09/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15882 posts
Also login servers down for anyone else?


was for me but i eventually got in

anyone up for it again tonight?


i might be if we do it a tad earlier than last night.
08:22pm 10/09/12 Permalink
Nakor
Brisbane, Queensland
3167 posts
can someone add me to the guild please?

Nakor.5204
08:53pm 10/09/12 Permalink
Jabroney
Queensland
1375 posts
righto, impulse buy for me too...

here we go again

i'll be joining later on tonight/tomorrow

jabroney.9857

does it matter what race??
any specific classes needed?
10:20pm 11/09/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15887 posts
all races can be any class. play whatever class you think looks fun. you might even want to make some alts of different classes before settling on a main.
10:27pm 11/09/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7470 posts
righto, impulse buy for me too...

here we go again

i'll be joining later on tonight/tomorrow

jabroney.9857

does it matter what race??
any specific classes needed?

If you want a class that plays nice, try a guardian or warrior, though every class is truly unique and offers different play styles.
11:36pm 11/09/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4952 posts
any specific classes needed?

The good thing about this game is you can truly play what you feel like and still have equal shots at group invites. Play what you feel like you'll have the most fun with. The one I have the most fun with is my Asura Engineer since I like the heavy support leanings with the Elixer Gun and ability to toss potions around. Just in case it helps here is my thoughts on classes

Warrior - Brutal with a crit build. Looking at 70% crit with very basic gear and leveling up don't be surprised if you are able to keep it over 90% or higher.
Guardian - Kills slower than warrior but much better healing and support features for others
Ranger - Good if you like pet classes. 2 land pets which are swappable every 30 seconds or so in-combat. Shortbow is fantastic with a bleeding build.
Thief - Some say it's an amazing leveler and maybe it's just the way i've built mine but he feels very squishy. Designed to be very hit and run playstyle which I don't like all that much which leads me to die a lot
Engineer - Only 3 types of weapons to be used but tons of support through kits like grenades, bombs, flamethrowers, elixer guns, potion tossing and all sorts of other goodies. My fav. Also has longest range in the game at 60 with 1500 yards on grenades with trait
Elementalist - Very strong and pretty good support with AoE buffs through combo fields. Tons of spells and quite a few weapons to use.
Necro - Most builds focus on heavy bleeding or pets. Quite squishy until you hit 30 and get your elite pet skill. Then it's pretty fun to play. Great at condition and boon removal in pvp, and said to be a horrible class to fight against.
Mesmer - Clones and phantasms will be used to damage, confuse, stun enemies and make pvp players go nuts trying to deal with your constant clones. Not my cup of tea since it involves fairly decent amount of skill with clones for very high burst.

Think that's all of them.

last edited by DM at 00:23:24 12/Sep/12
12:14am 12/09/12 Permalink
VRBones
Sunshine Coast, Queensland
914 posts
Guildwide 10% magic find should now be in effect more or less permenantly (as long as admins keep triggering the 3 day buff).
01:33am 12/09/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7471 posts
Guildwide 10% magic find should now be in effect more or less permenantly (as long as admins keep triggering the 3 day buff).
We've got our one in my guild going, absolutely love it and hopefully can keep it up. I really like the guild system, works well and efficient for upgrades. Hopefully we can see an actual guild hall or building a castle sometime in the future, for now I just claim s*** in WvW.
08:01am 12/09/12 Permalink
Jabroney
Queensland
1376 posts
damn, sea of sorrows is full

does it open temporarily? or is there no chance of getting in?
08:30am 12/09/12 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
8219 posts
It's temporary. Just check during 'off-peak' times and you will find it goes from "Full" to "High" and you then transfer over.
09:48am 12/09/12 Permalink
Jabroney
Queensland
1377 posts
are transfers free?

should i just wait to start on SOS, or create on another and transfer?
09:53am 12/09/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12728 posts
are transfers free?

should i just wait to start on SOS, or create on another and transfer?

I started on another server and transferred over when it was quieter (after a mini-patch worked for me as everyone had to log out).

Transfers are (at the moment) free. No work on when that ends. I reckon it will become a gem-cost when they get guesting in (guesting is temporarily joining another server to be with friends). At that point your specific server only matters for WvWvW and its a premium kinda deal.

IMO they should have had guesting in from the very start, it would have made server selection a lot less important for the PVE crowd.
09:55am 12/09/12 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
8220 posts

They were my fault to begin with, at least partially. You see, I worked on World of Warcraft, the most quest-hub heavy game in existence. I even helped come up with that dang exclamation mark, borrowing it from Diablo 2 and being inspired by Metal Gear Solid.Since WoW, everyone shifted their online quest design to hubs and spokes, and a forest of exclamation marks as far as the eye could see. I, for one, am glad someone finally killed them for good.
Quest Hubs are finally dead
10:07am 12/09/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7473 posts
Oh, the official forums are now fully up and running, with all the trolls included. Be wary of opinions and god speed.

https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum
10:10am 12/09/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12730 posts
Great read.
They did to the WoW formula what WoW did to the EQ formula. You see, quest hubs and such were heavily promoted by Blizzard to hide the fact that you were just grinding mobs to level (which was the original EQ formula). You were, in fact, still doing the same things as EQ, it just felt like you had a purpose and a story that guided you through it. It distracted you from the grinding.
10:13am 12/09/12 Permalink
deadlyf
Queensland
2791 posts
Warrior - Brutal with a crit build. Looking at 70% crit with very basic gear and leveling up don't be surprised if you are able to keep it over 90% or higher.
I've been playing with a few builds on my warrior. Started out very tanky with heaps of points in defense and I have to say the survivability is very noticeable but damage is waaaaay down.

Went with a little more of a heal heavy build after I noticed a lot of other players using a shout "shake it off" which procs off of a 20 point heal spec ability. It was balls, healing with warriors suck, maybe you have to stack a lot of +heal gear (which I have a bit of anyway) but you only end up with 1 group heal ability in the end of 30 points in the traits and a lot less survivability than a defense build with all the lack of damage that comes with it.

I've now gone a crit/defense build with 30 points in precision and 20 in defense. It's awesome, a little bugged with one of the talents I'm using but awesome none the less. I don't think I can bring myself to go full glass cannon with a 30/30 precision/might build, mobs just love the s*** out of melee players and you need to survive a few hits.
11:12am 12/09/12 Permalink
Dazhel
Gold Coast, Queensland
5213 posts
forest of exclamation marks as far as the eye could see


I missed out on that joy, last MMO I took for a spin was the early days of DAoC.
I do like in GW2 you might be running past an NPC and they'll occasionally shout out "Hey you, wanna do something for me?", it's not overdone and obviously more immersive.
12:11pm 12/09/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19875 posts
Why are quest hubs bad? Apparently they're bad and the exclamation mark is the sign of the devil, but I guess I missed the bit where anyone actually explained why.
12:17pm 12/09/12 Permalink
Midda
Brisbane, Queensland
7978 posts
It's just another thing that wastes your time. Going and picking up all the quests, running back to hand them in. It's unnecessary, and the way GW2 does it encourages you to explore the world, rather than just going where your quests tell you to.
01:04pm 12/09/12 Permalink
Ickus
Perth, Western Australia
285 posts
! are not bad exactly, they are just different.

That is what GW2 is trying to do, not just be another clone but actually change the way things are done and how the player interacts with the game. No dedicated healer class, no quest hubs, etc etc etc.

They have taken a lot of elements from previous MMOs and then tried to expand/adjust how the operate with the player and the game world. In theory making it different and better, which should in turn help it last more then 6-12 months like most MMOs released these days.
01:19pm 12/09/12 Permalink
Alize`
Brisbane, Queensland
1684 posts
Hmm I might make a move to sea of sorrows when I get the chance.
01:24pm 12/09/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7475 posts
Why are quest hubs bad? Apparently they're bad and the exclamation mark is the sign of the devil, but I guess I missed the bit where anyone actually explained why.
I think in that interview they are trying to explain that while quests hubs aren't "bad" they are cumbersome and outdated. In WoW you begin your character and are told where to go with a bread crumb trail of quests that don't really let you explore outside of the trail. You can't just walk off the beaten path because the quest log is telling you otherwise, and the gameplay is shaped to make you go on that trail.

A quest hub is good for telling a story in that hub, and setting the scene for why you are going there. What it doesn't do is allow you to explore and go about your own business. If you do go off the quest trail in WoW, you either get lost because there are no indications of where to go outside of the quest line, or you get bored because nothing else is happening because you aren't high enough level to see that stuff.

When you look at Guild Wars 2, the heart NPC's are making you explore because they intertwine with the dynamic events. For example, the Asura starting area has the very first heart NPC asking you to collect up some broken robots, play RC chess, fix robots or catch malfunctioning ones. You start wandering off to find say the broken down robots but along the way a dynamic event pops up close by, you'll wander off to explore and find out there is a whole new area to explore there. It encourages exploring to find new areas, to find new events and to also find secrets or even champion/guardian bosses.

Quest hubs aren't bad, they are just an ageing method to getting a player onto the right path. Near freedom like in Guild Wars 2 is a lot more enjoyable because the player truly feels like a hero because they are helping everyone and anyone, not just a set line of people.
01:44pm 12/09/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19877 posts
Yeah, thats fair enough, makes sense, sounds like an interesting way to approach it
01:51pm 12/09/12 Permalink
Taipan
USA
3826 posts
Why are quest hubs bad? Apparently they're bad and the exclamation mark is the sign of the devil, but I guess I missed the bit where anyone actually explained why.


Not seeing how they are bad probably goes some way to explaining how wow has remained as popular as it has for so long. Running back and forth to the same point over and over gets old (for some of us) pretty damn fast. Its a very thinly vieled effort to make you waste time and in some ways pretty insulting to the player who was told to pick up bear fur from point X only to return and be told to go back to point X to now collect some spider ichor.

Covering the same ground over and over is never a good thing so yeah it's a bad thing.

You know even if guild wars 2 had quest hubs it would still be light years ahead of Wow for no other reason than the transit system of teleports beats the f*** out of the pain in the ass that is wows flight points. This isn't because wow is an old game and gw2 has the benifit of newer tech it's because they have been smart enough to not want to make things anymore painfull than they have to be. I remember way back when players were screaming at blizzard to alter flight paths to make them alittle better and make more sense. Blizzard thumb their noses at the paying cunstomers for a good year before they actually acted on it by conecting flight paths and adding more shoter ones in to make it less painfull to travel.

01:59pm 12/09/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19878 posts
Not seeing how they are bad probably goes some way to explaining how wow has remained as popular as it has for so long. Running back and forth to the same point over and over gets old (for some of us) pretty damn fast.


Yeah, the running back and forth was getting tiresome, which I guess is why for the past few years they've been designing quests with less and less of that, and now have a lot of quests that let you hand in and advanced to the next part of the chain while out in the field. That doesn't seem to me to be a problem with quest hubs though, reptition and back-tracking can rear its head anywhere. I agree its poor design though.

Keep in mind though, back in 2004 when they implemented that system, they were head and shoulders above anything else that had come before, it was a genuine leap forward for PvE. Looking back at it now it seems archaic and old-fashioned, sure, but look back on any game from 8 years ago and it wont really stack up, with regards to mechanics and design, to what we have now. They've been iterating and improving on it ever since though, and now other games like Secret World and GW2 are pushing things forward yet again and doing entirely new stuff with their quests/missions/whatever. Just because one system is good though doesn't make another bad, they've all got their advantages and disadvantages, their pros and cons.

GW2 system sounds interesting, sounds like its more open ended and promotes more exploration. Quest hubs can allow them to tell a tighter story and give the player a more directed experience as well as controlling their progression through the zone. The way the Secret World does it makes for a really organic experience, where you're only ever doing 2 or 3 missions at a time and each missions leads you naturally to the next mission, making you feel like you're really just partcipating in the world and allowing you to kind of tell the story in your own way and do the missions in whatever order you want. They're all good in their own ways.

I remember way back when players were screaming at blizzard to alter flight paths to make them alittle better and make more sense.


Yeah, that was 8 years ago though, a lot has changed since then. The apples to oranges comparisons don't really achieve much, Its not entirely fair comparing modern day games to the games of 8 years ago.
02:22pm 12/09/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12736 posts
Yeah, that was 8 years ago though, a lot has changed since then.
The thing is Khel, WoW's popularity created tropes that had some some serious inertia. You say that WoW is a 2004 game, but its long shadow has been cast over every major MMO since, up to and including SWTOR. I couldn't believe it when I was told I had 'too many quests in my log' in a 2011 game, and had to abandon some s*** I had planned to go back to.

It genuinely felt broken.

GW2 has finally broken that standard definitively. They've gone in a lot of new directions and it works. Don't belittle it, a very successful, non-subscription MMO that isn't cast from the WoW mould is a really big f*****g deal. It will add weight to lots of proto-games that want to go in new directions that were previously smothered. All of a sudden it feels like the focus is on innovation rather than creating the next WoW clone.

It might seem trivial but having your current objective being what's going on around you rather than what-the-guy-with-the-!-said is a huge change. Having someone run up into a town screaming for help makes a mockery of a dude standing there waiting for the next load of pelts. There's no quest log to check for what needs to be done, its a simple 2-3 line statement under the heart meter.

The difference is hearing a ding and thinking 'hey what's going on here now' and seeing a forest of ! and loading up a bunch of quests. Its a big deal.

Sure its limited and sometimes the game underneath shows itself. In particular when the same event fires a few times, or you are looking for a POI ior missing heart to complete a map. But its a successful, more importantly profitable move in the right direction. I wish SWTOR has been developed after GW2. Jesus Christ. What a game it could have been, imagine its focus on story interlaced with a more malleable, living world, rather than yet another hub of ! tasks to complete.
02:49pm 12/09/12 Permalink
Taipan
USA
3827 posts
We should all be happy that in the world of mmos guild wars has put together a package that reminds devs to inivate. Sure gw contain plenty that youll see elsewhere but its made a package of it so everytime you turn around there is something else you can say you are glad they did or included.

So if this means anything itll tell people that copying a known formular isnt the only way to make a game successfull. I always said from the early days of wow that for all its awesome success it wasnt going to be a good thing for the genre as a whole and quite frankly it hasnt been. All it did was show there is a buck to be made
03:15pm 12/09/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19879 posts
Nah, I'm not belittling it, I'm speaking of a position of ignorance maybe, but thats the QGL way! I'm all for new and interesting ways of doing things though, but I still like the old ways at the same time. I loved the way Secret World did its thing, but I still think WoW (despite its age and its flaws) does a lot right as well.

I'm considering getting it just to try it out for a few weeks, now that the digital sales are open again, but I really dunno if theres much point, I wont have much time to play, but at the very least i'm curious to see how it works.
03:16pm 12/09/12 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
8225 posts
If you don't like it Khel, hoggy will reimburse you the cost of the game.
03:19pm 12/09/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19880 posts
Deal!
03:23pm 12/09/12 Permalink
Mephz
Brisbane, Queensland
1175 posts
On the topic of quest hubs =bad and exploration = good.

From about level 28 I set off to do my level 29 profession questline..

By level 38 I still hadn't gotten there. Not because it was difficult (I could have run straight there) but because I kept coming across awesome things! and then those things led to more awesome things.
And when I finally just wanted to do my class quest, I went there and it was still a challenge because even though I had a slight advantage (extra trait points) I was brought down to the appropriate level.

GW2 has been the only MMO to hold my interest since Vanilla WOW.
04:06pm 12/09/12 Permalink
Reverend Evil
Wynnum, Queensland
20896 posts
From what I've seen in GW2 so far regarding quests is they are exactly the same as WoW. Instead of the quest giver saying kill 10 of this, there is now a sliding bar that slowly fills up each time you kill something and stops once you've killed enough. So it's exactly the same but they've made it look different so people will think it's new. But I'm only lvl 7 atm I think so maybe they might shake it up a bit later on.
04:13pm 12/09/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7476 posts
I'm considering getting it just to try it out for a few weeks, now that the digital sales are open again, but I really dunno if theres much point, I wont have much time to play, but at the very least i'm curious to see how it works.
I don't have as much time to play MMO's now as I use to, I noticed this with all my friends being level 40-60 and I'm still level 36 on my Elementalist. Though I did focus on a Necromancer initially to level 32 so hours were spent in there.

That is probably the greatest thing about Guild Wars 2, the time needed to have fun isn't a huge amount of hours. I can jump in-game and have some quick fun for a few hours after getting home and not have to worry that I'm not doing enough "work". Give it a shot Khel, you may or may not like it but you will definitely NOT feel like you aren't able to get the most out of it.

Also Rev I thought you gave this game up because it wasn't like WoW? So you are only level 7, you haven't even unlocked your second set of weapons or your traits.
04:16pm 12/09/12 Permalink
deadlyf
Queensland
2792 posts
Yeah I'm honestly surprised Khel wasn't the first on the GW bandwagon. You're usually pretty enthusiastic about new games doing new things well.

I really enjoyed The Secrete World but not enough to want to be paying a monthly subscription on top of the cost of the game. GW is very different yet it still does a lot of things very well that makes me enjoy it. I know you're a fan of immersion Khel and although GW's main story is no where near as good as TSW's, the game world itself is done very well and just running around it you can lose hours of time just discovering new cool things.

The Hearts disappear altogether in the 70-80 zones.
04:22pm 12/09/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12740 posts
From what I've seen in GW2 so far regarding quests is they are exactly the same as WoW. Instead of the quest giver saying kill 10 of this, there is now a sliding bar that slowly fills up each time you kill something and stops once you've killed enough. So it's exactly the same but they've made it look different so people will think it's new. But I'm only lvl 7 atm I think so maybe they might shake it up a bit later on.

Who'd have thought Rev would chime in the a pro-wow analysis after completing literally 40 minutes of the game!

Did you read the article? Its not that the work you do (killing mobs) is massively new, its the way its packaged and the subtle improvements (which is how WoW dethroned EQ to start with).
04:31pm 12/09/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19881 posts
It sounds to me like the biggest change is not so much with the content of the quests themselves, but how the game feeds the quests to you, and how you manage them (and how it encourages you to explore rather than follow a mostly pre-determined path). Which does sound pretty interesting.

Yeah I'm honestly surprised Khel wasn't the first on the GW bandwagon. You're usually pretty enthusiastic about new games doing new things well.


Yeah, initially I just wasn't that interested in it cos I'm a bit over games with fantasy settings, then I think I just got stubborn.

How big is the download? And is there a local mirror for it? I vaguely remember that being discussed near the start of the thread (or maybe in another thread) but this thread is starting to get too huge to trawl back through now.
05:12pm 12/09/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4954 posts
My GW2 folder is 16gb. The best thing about the game though (and something ALL games should do if you ask me) is that the entire game consists of 5 files. The one containing all the data is 16gb on it's own. It's neat and tidy instead of having 5000 files installed.
05:16pm 12/09/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12742 posts
Its not that big a deal DM, the 16Gb file is just a container. You'll see the updater / installer saying X number of files downloaded. The game tells the OS that its only 5 files, but internally there are a couple of hundred thousand.

Its not significantly different than having the assets in a ~/data directory, but it means that the application needs to own the file table etc for the container, work that is normally best left to the OS which does a lot of funky s*** to protect itself. As a friend of mine discovered when he lost power suddenly while updating GW2 this system can suck when you have to download all 16Gb again because of corruption.

It does makes it slightly harder to drill down to stuff like audio, models and textures, but as Blizzard discovered with MPQs this is not a hard thing to break.
05:25pm 12/09/12 Permalink
Timmeh
Brisbane, Queensland
2483 posts
From what I've seen in GW2 so far regarding quests is they are exactly the same as WoW. Instead of the quest giver saying kill 10 of this, there is now a sliding bar that slowly fills up each time you kill something and stops once you've killed enough. So it's exactly the same but they've made it look different so people will think it's new. But I'm only lvl 7 atm I think so maybe they might shake it up a bit later on.

its a progression bar and i have only see one or 2 quests where the objective has been to soley grind kill mobs,
i think you will find ti will say "help out farmer joe by, feeding the A, watering the B, killing Y , harvesting x"
05:31pm 12/09/12 Permalink
Jabroney
Queensland
1378 posts
managed to sneak into SOS off-peak

Asura Elementalist
jabroney.9857

put me in coach, just gimmie a chance!
05:54pm 12/09/12 Permalink
Reverend Evil
Wynnum, Queensland
20897 posts
LOL, some people here are acting like this game is the second coming of the lord.

I meant to add what I said on to the whole "no quest hub" thingy. I don't give a s*** how the quests are done, I was just pointing out they are the same as every other MMO that has come out since WoW. Same with those hearts scattered around. If those aren't quest hubs then what are they? They do guide you around the map. If it wasn't for them then where would you go? Sure it's more subtle. It's just an observation and if people wanna get all pissy then fine.

8-)
06:08pm 12/09/12 Permalink
Mephz
Brisbane, Queensland
1176 posts
We get it, you love wow and have a vested interest with a lot of time in wow and thus defend wow by trying to draw comparisons to how it's actually the same as wow when its not.
That's fine but to be rather blunt you're really irritating with the whole wow thing.

also, wow.

last edited by Mephz at 18:27:58 12/Sep/12
06:26pm 12/09/12 Permalink
deadlyf
Queensland
2793 posts
They do guide you around the map. If it wasn't for them then where would you go?
I've said it before and I'll point it out again, in the 70-80 zones there are no Hearts.
06:33pm 12/09/12 Permalink
Dazhel
Gold Coast, Queensland
5218 posts
If it wasn't for them then where would you go?


Anywhere you want.
walk...walk... ooh dynamic event! shiny!
06:53pm 12/09/12 Permalink
Mephz
Brisbane, Queensland
1177 posts
In GW2 there is so much more to just 'hearts' NPCs raid towns and if you fail to defend it they take over and you lose access to the vendors/quests/waypoint until you re-take it.

This happened to me when i was in the middle of a 35-40 area.
Very cool. Then it was a quest to defend the town!
07:15pm 12/09/12 Permalink
Enska
Sydney, New South Wales
1812 posts
We get it, you love wow and have a vested interest with a lot of time in wow and thus defend wow by trying to draw comparisons to how it's actually the same as wow when its not.
That's fine but to be rather blunt you're really irritating with the whole wow thing.

also, wow.last edited by Mephz at 18:27:58 12/Sep/12



hahaha, gold.
07:26pm 12/09/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7478 posts
Khel if you are actually interested I'll just give you the files tomorrow.

Oh Rev, you are such a rascal you. No one here has said that GW2 is the second coming, and I myself don't think that at all. It will never beat WoW and has no such threat to do so. It is on a completely different ball field with no subscription so I'm not sure why you are so adamant against trying it out and actually noticing a difference in things. It might be because you are so use to WoW that anything different is terrible and the devil incarnated.

Guild Wars 2 is different, far, far different to WoW. You are only level 7 so far yet speak as if the entire game has been ruined or is s***. Yes it may not be your style, does that mean you should hate difference or should you just be happy that there is something different?
07:36pm 12/09/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12743 posts
I might give you 'Hearts are just Quest hubs re-badged'. Maybe. Most (but not all) of them can be filled by just killing s*** near the Heart anchor. The vast majority do have non-lethal options though, and its normally faster. Yes, the game is still just kill mobs, but mob exp is very, very low. You can't 'game' GW2 by standing there killing monsters.

Its not just that though. Hearts are part of the GW2 world PVE game, while quest hubs are the entire PVE game in most MMOs. Shiny dynamic events aside, there's a complete subgame for Vistas involving working out how to get to places on the map. Skills points work the same way but often with a challenge at the end to get the SP. Similar thing applies to POIs but generally less so. Gathering is a source of solid exp rather than a task seperate from levelling; even if you never plan to tradeskill, even if you never plan to sell the mats, it more than worthwhile to grab harvest nodes you see.

And then there's chests hidden on the map in jumping puzzles and tough mob clears that respawn for the player daily.

And all of this happens in the real world without phasing or contention with other players. I can't f*****g state this enough. When you see another player its a good thing, its actually been hard to shake that creeping 'grr what are you doing here, this patch is mine' thing I've had in MMOs since the East Commonlands.

Why? Because they can't possibly grief you and will no doubt help you along the way because the game rewards them for helping you. If you fall down someone will belong very soon to rez you, because its fat exp. If you pop a hard skill point and a group has just finished theirs, they'll help you because ts a dynamic event and they'll get a Gold contribution award.

You scale down to whatever zone you are in so there is a s***load to do, no area is wasted.

Thinking about it, its all super simple stuff. But everyone was on wow-rails for so long nobody dared to think about why it sucked.
It will never beat WoW and has no such threat to do so

I'm not going to make grand predictions but wow-fatigue is high and GW2 is very, very good, with no subscription and good PVP (with a pedigree of solid PVP). I'd be f*****g concerned if I worked at Irvine, California.
07:52pm 12/09/12 Permalink
Reverend Evil
Wynnum, Queensland
20898 posts
Read my post above. I just said the quest hubs are still there and so is the way quests are handled. I'm actually playing this but not as much as you guys are. So far from what I've seen of one start zone I can only assume the rest are similar? Except for the last 10 lvl's which Deadlyf pointed out don't have those hearts (quest hubs 8-)) scattered around. Yes, I know there is the epic PVP stuff as well plus the rifts, I mean events. I don't hate the game at all, however it is funny when I get yelled at for pointing out things that some people don't wanna hear.

And if anyone's interested I'm not even playing WoW atm. I log in maybe once a day to fly around Uldum to see if the camel mount is there and that's it. Although once MoP comes out then I'll be back into it again.
08:01pm 12/09/12 Permalink
Dazhel
Gold Coast, Queensland
5219 posts
When you see another player its a good thing, its actually been hard to shake that creeping 'grr what are you doing here, this patch is mine' thing I've had in MMOs since the East Commonlands.


Haha that's exactly the feeling I hadwhen I started, an creepy sense of 'get the f*** away' as baggage from previous MMOs.
Then you gradually come to realise that s*** spawns quite fast anyway and having people around when you screw up or to just plain lend a hand is a good thing.
08:07pm 12/09/12 Permalink
MARLINBLADE
Queensland
453 posts
The one thing i find so much better than any other mmo is these quests... I haven't come across one quest where i've had to go here, collect this, return for reward... the whole system is based on complete the obj, get the reward there and then, no backtracking for f*****g miles, it's quick, obj complete, here's your loot. So much win and the fast travel waypoints kill the f*** out of lame ass mounts every other mmo seems to utilize for world travel...

The thing is, there's just so many ways to progress your character without the need to grind. F*** i haven't even really started doing my storyline quests cause there's too much else going on. Everything you do rewards you and it's streamlined for quick play quick rewards... you don't have to spend hours doing same s*** rinse and repeat, xp up.

So anyways... need some tips....

Whats the best way to get my crafting level up fast? Any tips? I'm starting to get mats i can't even use yet cause of my level...
08:16pm 12/09/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7479 posts
Easiest way is to use the discovery tab, it will usually award at least 3 levels in crafting alone, and then making those items will usually be orange. Otherwise you can simply make basic items, ones that may not require the tiny/small etc ingredients that most weapons/armour/items require.

You'll start seeing a pattern with certain discovery items, for instance artificing I'll just make a heap of inscriptions of different sorts, and then make a set of each weapon for each inscription and use the discovery tab. This gives me the weapon with the inscription stats and I get on average 18 levels for each weapon.
08:28pm 12/09/12 Permalink
MARLINBLADE
Queensland
454 posts
Sweet thanks mate i'll give it a crack... haven't used the discovery tab yet, never seem to have enough ingredients to fill all slots...
08:35pm 12/09/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15889 posts
i would wait until your a higher level before crafting. maxing your crafting skill will gain you ten levels no matter when you start it.
08:46pm 12/09/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7480 posts
Yeah that as well, you can only gain a maximum of 10 levels per crafting. I'm kind of levelling artificing as I level but sooner or later I'll hit a wall where I can only craft using higher level materials so I think I'll just wait until I get to 60/70.
08:50pm 12/09/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12745 posts
Read my post above. I just said the quest hubs are still there and so is the way quests are handled. I'm actually playing this but not as much as you guys are. So far from what I've seen of one start zone I can only assume the rest are similar? Except for the last 10 lvl's which Deadlyf pointed out don't have those hearts (quest hubs 8-)) scattered around. Yes, I know there is the epic PVP stuff as well plus the rifts, I mean events. I don't hate the game at all, however it is funny when I get yelled at for pointing out things that some people don't wanna hear.And if anyone's interested I'm not even playing WoW atm. I log in maybe once a day to fly around Uldum to see if the camel mount is there and that's it. Although once MoP comes out then I'll be back into it again.

Rev, this is a summary of your contributions to this thread, you might say you don't hate the game at all now and get prissy about people having a go, but come on dude, this s*** is just f*****g silly and its why you're being called out.
Just gave it a quick bash and it's alright. I'm not sold on it yet. The combat feels gumby, like you fight stuff but it doesn't have a nice feel like you're actually doing damage. Just continually hitting a button and watching the enemy health bar go down. Maybe it gets better. There's two things I judge a game on. Controls and combat. So far it's reminding me a lot like Rift which I found extremely boring but I hope this game proves me wrong.I'm playing a Charr necromancer atm.
LOL, I'm bored already and I'm only lvl 3. Might try making another race later on today but so far I can't see myself playing much of this game.
I've stopped playing. Too boring for my liking.
I'm just real picky with games these days. If it doesn't hook me in the first few minutes then I prolly just won't bother with it. The combat has to feel right as well. If I don't hear awesome sounds when striking an enemy then that's another deal breaker for me. I wanna know when I'm making contact. Also, the movement of the characters seems a little off. I know I'm picky but I really can't enjoy the game if I keep seeing that stuff.
From what I've seen in GW2 so far regarding quests is they are exactly the same as WoW. Instead of the quest giver saying kill 10 of this, there is now a sliding bar that slowly fills up each time you kill something and stops once you've killed enough. So it's exactly the same but they've made it look different so people will think it's new. But I'm only lvl 7 atm I think so maybe they might shake it up a bit later on.
LOL, some people here are acting like this game is the second coming of the lord.I meant to add what I said on to the whole "no quest hub" thingy. I don't give a s*** how the quests are done, I was just pointing out they are the same as every other MMO that has come out since WoW. Same with those hearts scattered around. If those aren't quest hubs then what are they? They do guide you around the map. If it wasn't for them then where would you go? Sure it's more subtle. It's just an observation and if people wanna get all pissy then fine.8-)
09:10pm 12/09/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19882 posts
How necessary is stuff like finding those vistas and points of interest? Cos that sort of gameplay doesn't really interest me, but as long as theres enough other stuff to do and enough stuff to kill, I should be able to keep myself amused.

Khel if you are actually interested I'll just give you the files tomorrow.


Already bought it, and started downloading it, but it doesn't seem to want to go any faster than 700k/s, so doubt I'll be trying it out tonight.
09:14pm 12/09/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7481 posts
Vistas and POI are only "needed" for completion of maps, however you will always stumble across them without having to go out of your way to find them. Completion of maps seems to only offer simple rewards like transmutation stones and maybe a piece of random gear plus XP, though the biggest push for it is achievement goers.
09:22pm 12/09/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12746 posts
How necessary is stuff like finding those vistas and points of interest? Cos that sort of gameplay doesn't really interest me, but as long as theres enough other stuff to do and enough stuff to kill, I should be able to keep myself amused.

I guess, if you want map completions you'll need to do them. You'll need to do most skill points but they tend not to be hidden like Vistas are. You should probably do the Vistas as you see them, as you don't like PVP so can't exp there. You may need to do a coupe of starting areas or you might not get enough exp.

See how you go, I wasn't much of a completionist until I got this game. Most of the Vistas are pretty easy too, there's only a few tricky ones so its not a big drain. You might find you get into it.

But if you don't like PVP and you don't like exploring and want more than 5 man stuff for instances it might not work for you, doing just hearts and waiting for dynamic events would probably get a bit boring after a while. There's a pretty well done personal quest too though so that might keep you interested.
09:24pm 12/09/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4955 posts
Don't craft mass quantities of the same item. Use discovery window instead. past like skill level 25. You get huge amounts of exp per discovery you make. So if you were weapon smithing for example you should make 1 of each type of weapon, and discovery the power version. Then make another 1 of each and discover the precision version of it. That way you earn the most exp with least amount of mats.
09:28pm 12/09/12 Permalink
deadlyf
Queensland
2794 posts
Vistas and POI are only "needed" for completion of maps, however you will always stumble across them without having to go out of your way to find them. Completion of maps seems to only offer simple rewards like transmutation stones and maybe a piece of random gear plus XP, though the biggest push for it is achievement goers.
Nah you get pretty good gear from map completion. From the last zone I did I got two exotic items, a black iron key and 40 Orichalum (or about 1.2g's worth).

That said it's completely none mandatory in any shape or form but I wouldn't knock it until you've tried it Khel, you might find you like it. I ignored it all through the beta thinking it was just vanity crap but I've started really getting into it, especially the more challenging ones. Early on they are pretty basic, unlocking the way points makes sense and the skill points are obvious as well but the POI's offer no challenge and neither do the view points. In later maps there are some real bastards of view points which will have you running around all over the place trying to work out how to get to them.
10:05pm 12/09/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15891 posts
there's some POI's that also take a bit of exploring to figure out how to get to them.
10:19pm 12/09/12 Permalink
Dazhel
Gold Coast, Queensland
5220 posts
How necessary is stuff like finding those vistas and points of interest? Cos that sort of gameplay doesn't really interest me, but as long as theres enough other stuff to do and enough stuff to kill, I should be able to keep myself amused.


Yeah, they really aren't a struggle like finding all 200 pigeons in a GTA map. You're quite often roaming and killing s*** and then realise, "oh, if I just wander slightly over this way it'll unlock a skill point/vista/poi". When all of the zone is revealed I probably only needed to visit around 10-20% of ones I missed the first time around, and the fast travel points stops that from becoming a chore.
10:23pm 12/09/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7482 posts
there's some POI's that also take a bit of exploring to figure out how to get to them.

There was one in the 15-25 Norn area that was underneath the mountain but only accessible through a river that ran through, only found it because I accidentally fell into the water. Was a cute Quaggan inside there that I had a chat with about how we don't have flippers.
10:30pm 12/09/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15892 posts
there's one in the asura starting zone where you can only get to it by finding a teleporter at the other side of the zone.

also pretty much every zone has a hidden jumping puzzle. some are fun, others are a b****. there's 3 in lion's arch. 1 of them i fell at the very end jumping to the chest, so i had to do it all over again.

last edited by ravn0s at 22:37:51 12/Sep/12
10:34pm 12/09/12 Permalink
Taipan
USA
3828 posts
How necessary is stuff like finding those vistas and points of interest? Cos that sort of gameplay doesn't really interest me


See here is the part about guild wars 2 that some people are struggling with getting their heads around, it's really simple. Don't do what you don't feel like doing, no s*** it's that basic. From what I have seen thus far there is no need to do any of the crap you may not like in the game. You don't have to complete quests because ultimately they don't affect s*** about your progression. Sure they help out with Karma and XP but if you don't like doing it there are other ways of gaining both. It's not like Wow where quest chains rule the world and not completing them will hamper your progress later. It's not like you need to complete quests to obtain gear either because you can craft kick ass stuff yourself.

Mate I wonder about the world in a seemingly aimless fashion gathering s*** for crafting. While gather it just so happens I stumble across quests and events, points of interest and vistas. If I don't feel like doing any of those things I simply don't because at the end of the day there is no harm in passing it up. This game is structured in such a way that I am doing more of everything because it's just simple easy fun with no demands placed on my time to do anything.

Do you remember the old choose your own adventure books? Well GW2 is kind of like that, do what you feel like and no matter what that is you will progress. This is the first game I have ever played where I have been utterly unaware of what my XP bar is doing. Not feeling the burning need to hit max lvl asap is huge for me and probably the thing I love the most about this game.
01:32am 13/09/12 Permalink
MARLINBLADE
Queensland
455 posts
Fark i unlocked the Flamethrower for engy last night... soooo much win up close in mobs... shares the love
06:07am 13/09/12 Permalink
Reverend Evil
Wynnum, Queensland
20900 posts
It's not like Wow where quest chains rule the world and not completing them will hamper your progress later

You can lvl up doing BG's and dungeons as well
07:20am 13/09/12 Permalink
Mephz
Brisbane, Queensland
1178 posts
Vistas and POI are only "needed" for completion of maps, however you will always stumble across them without having to go out of your way to find them. Completion of maps seems to only offer simple rewards like transmutation stones and maybe a piece of random gear plus XP, though the biggest push for it is achievement goers.
Map completion gives I think 25 silver as well - at least the last full completion I did gave me that.

That's a fair reward.
Plus transmutation stones are incredible :)
09:37am 13/09/12 Permalink
glynd
Melbourne, Victoria
788 posts
Fark i unlocked the Flamethrower for engy last night... soooo much win up close in mobs... shares the love


I found it quite underwhelming and it kind of turned me off the engineer ... i'll have to give it another go. i found you're better off blasting them with your rifle.
10:22am 13/09/12 Permalink
Taipan
USA
3829 posts
You can lvl up doing BG's and dungeons as well


Doing BG's to level is an icredibily slow process in Wow. Any gains lvl wise feel like a token offering to apease the pvp crowd rather than any real attempt by blizzard to make it a viable option. Yeah dungeons are a great way to lvl if you don't like questing .... oh wait thats right I forgot about attunement quests. There are a few hoops there that you simply must do like it or not to make progress.

Heres the thing I haven't done anything I didn't feel like and I haven't done the same thing twice in GW2. All I know is this the game is great I am enjoying it very much and for all the things that are the same there is much that feels different. I haven't done a single thing that made me feel like it was a stupid inconvienence or designed to make me take part in something in order for me to do something else. If it's not wow and you like wow by all means stay with wow, it's pretty safe to say those people won't be missed by those of us who are enjoying GW2
10:43am 13/09/12 Permalink
Jim
UK
13081 posts
oh wait thats right I forgot about attunement quests. There are a few hoops there that you simply must do like it or not to make progress.
nah long gone
10:52am 13/09/12 Permalink
Reverend Evil
Wynnum, Queensland
20902 posts
Yeah dungeons are a great way to lvl if you don't like questing .... oh wait thats right I forgot about attunement quests

No need to forget. You don't need them to run dungeons. Once you hit lvl 15 you could lvl your way to 85 by just doing your normal dungeon runs. I think Blizz have taken away most of those old attunements. You still might need that stone to get into MC but I've been able to go into every raid without doing anything extra. Plus I think most people use the dungeon finder for quick lvl'ing and only go back and do old raids at max lvl for the achievements/mounts.

8-)
10:57am 13/09/12 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
8230 posts
This thread is getting as bad iPhone vs Galaxy or Macbook vs Dell threads.
11:04am 13/09/12 Permalink
Taipan
USA
3830 posts
I had heard a little while back that there was a level of wow snobbery where players weren't accepted into guilds/raids because they hadn't earned certain achievements or some BS gear score of theirs wasn't up to par. Is that or has that ever been the case?
11:07am 13/09/12 Permalink
Reverend Evil
Wynnum, Queensland
20903 posts
Yeah, people would always ask for achievements but since patch 5.0 all achieves are now battlenet account wide across all toons you have and will make in the future. Same with mounts, pets and titles. Hopefully this will stop people from being jerkfaces.
11:14am 13/09/12 Permalink
Taipan
USA
3831 posts
This thread is getting as bad iPhone vs Galaxy or Macbook vs Dell threads.


Sorry mate I'll get back on track.

Current exploration

Zones completed
100% Caledon forest
100% Queensdale
100% Wayfarer foothills
100% Kessex hills

Cities
100% The Grove
100% Rata Sum
100% Lions Arch

I would of gotten through a bit more but stupid work and o/t are getting in the way. Damn real life :P
11:14am 13/09/12 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
8232 posts
Nah it's all Rev's fault, not yours!

I've done Queensdale, Harathi and Lornar's Pass. Finished off Harathi last night with one epic dynamic event. It started with taking back one of the main camps from the centaurs and it kept going for about 40 minutes pushing them back into their own camp. Then taking out 3 champions before the big wig stepped in and took about 10 minutes to down him with about 25 people attacking.

I think that alone got me a full level of XP
11:25am 13/09/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7483 posts
What level is everyone hovering around at the moment? My Elementalist is sitting at level 36 while I catch up on some Artificing, though I should probably go do my storyline quest that I left at level 20 heh.
11:26am 13/09/12 Permalink
glynd
Melbourne, Victoria
789 posts
My thief is sitting about 32 and my engineer is 15 i think. I'm going to give the engineer another go this weekend.
11:41am 13/09/12 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
8233 posts
My necro (only char) is 45. It got a little bit slow going there around mid to late 30s but the levels are coming thick and fast now. I've only been getting on for about an hour and a half since Sunday and I've clocked in about 6 levels in that time.
11:43am 13/09/12 Permalink
Taipan
USA
3832 posts
Just dinged 39 about two minutes ago and about half way through my strole around Metrica Province. I have aboit 28% of the world discovered atm.
11:46am 13/09/12 Permalink
Midda
Brisbane, Queensland
7980 posts
My engineer is about 32, warrior is 28, and my thief is 22.
11:49am 13/09/12 Permalink
deadlyf
Queensland
2797 posts
I dunno why they don't have an internal timer on all of the events that will reset the event automagically if it's not completed by the time the timer ends. So many bugged out events that stay bugged out until a server reset. You kind of think if an event hasn't ended after a couple of days, then something must be wrong with it.

It's even worse when it's a major event with multiple parts and stuck during one stage.
11:49am 13/09/12 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
19118 posts
I am obsessed with the map completions. For me it's the best part of the game.
12:32pm 13/09/12 Permalink
boba
Cainer
Brisbane, Queensland
3733 posts
My Thief is 56. Things are starting to get slow and the couple of hour queues for WvWvW at night is starting to annoy me. Just need to get 80 before BL2 and TL2.
12:50pm 13/09/12 Permalink
icewyrm
Brisbane, Queensland
2520 posts
Have been playing just the one character mostly cept for a bit of structured pvp and crafting on alts. I love jumping on my level 2 warrior or whatever and busting people up in structured PVP with whatever build I feel like throwing together.

My sylvari engie Hit 80 last week along with my buddy who played with me essentially all the way there as an elementalist. Have been spending the past few days trying to farm up some more gold in orr so I can level some more crafting profs as this seems easier than farming the inscription mats directly.

Put my toughness/vit set in storage and have been running around with 66% magic find set + another %26 from food buffs though honestly I don't notice too much difference in the drops even so.

In retrospect considering the low cost of crafted items on the TP, it's probably easier just to buy any gear you want on an alt than to go to all the effort of levelling a crafting profession. But it's kinda fun to do it anyway...

Just an interesting note - the trading post, mail systems and resource nodes are all cross server. So you can craft stuff for other people or send them bits and pieces no matter where you are and if you transfer servers the resource nodes you've already gathered won't respawn until the same time they would if you were on your orignal server. Nice and tidy.

The trading post works quite well, at least when it works. It's a huge difference from buying and selling crap in guild wars.

I spent quite a bit of time playing this in beta so I already knew pretty much what I was dealing with. Admittedly I stayed away from crafting/mat gathering until launch though so I've had plenty to learn there.

I set up shop on Crystal Desert as I wanted to play with some old guild wars folks who were also going there.

Only done the Arah dungeon so far, haven't got around to doing the lower level ones yet though I'd like to have a crack at them this weekend sometime.
01:08pm 13/09/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19888 posts
Awesome, only had an account for one day and haven't even had a chance to play yet and I just got this email:

A log-in attempt from the following location is currently awaiting your authorization.

Address: 112.228.14.252
City: Linyi
Region: 25
Country: CN

This location is approximated based on information provided by your Internet Service Provider. If in doubt, deny the request and try again.

If you are certain this log-in attempt was not made by you, then someone else knows your log-in credentials and you should change your password immediately via Account
03:34pm 13/09/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15894 posts
i haven't had anyone attempt to log in to my account.
04:10pm 13/09/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7486 posts
Hah Khel, do you use the same password everywhere you go? Yet to get an attempted login from somewhere else, though my password is quite literally jibberish capitals, numbers and signs. It seems people who are getting hacked are using email addresses and passwords that may have been compromised elsewhere, and they are just hitting them against a brick wall to see which one sticks.
04:14pm 13/09/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12749 posts
i haven't had anyone attempt to log in to my account.
04:19pm 13/09/12 Permalink
Midda
Brisbane, Queensland
7984 posts
Haha, bad luck, Khel. You must be using an email address that was in one of the many hacked databases from the past year or so. They're just trying their luck. I hope you don't use the same password everywhere.

Though having said that, I'm sure I've been in some of those database hacks, but I haven't had any attempts on my Guild Wars 2 account. I use unique passwords pretty much everywhere though.
04:50pm 13/09/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19889 posts
Yeah, it is actually using an old password I don't use anymore (that I used to use everywhere), cos when I went to sign up I found out I still had an old Guild Wars 1 account and just used that.
04:51pm 13/09/12 Permalink
konstie
Melbourne, Victoria
2008 posts
konstie.8415 add me :)
09:26pm 13/09/12 Permalink
Taipan
USA
3834 posts
Well good luck khel i hope you enjoy the game, just give it a chance and i am sure you wont be disapointed.
09:30pm 13/09/12 Permalink
Taipan
USA
3835 posts
Well just got back from work and read that they cracked the 2 million mark in sales yesterday. Itll be interesting to see what the numbers are come x-mas time.
03:35am 14/09/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15896 posts
i'm sure it will still be fairly high since there's no monthy sub.
08:18am 14/09/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19895 posts
Played it for a few hours last night, only level 5 so far though so haven't done much. Its pretty good, but it hasn't really grabbed me yet, but I'm gonna play some more. The missions and events and stuff are not much more than fetch quests or kill quests at the moment, but I remember reading earlier in the thread where they apparently get a lot better outside the starting zones.

Finding the vistas and points of interest was actually a lot more fun than I had imagined, I think a few of my levels are just from wandering around and finding stuff which is cool. Are they always marked on the map though? I enjoy it because I can see them on the map and just need to figure out how to get there, but if I had to aimlessly just wander around in the hopes of uncovering one, I think thats where I would lose interest.

I was a bit disappointed in the range of skills though, after all the hype about the huge selection of skills and how you can play it however you want, it seems a bit limited. I was imagining lots of skills per weapon and then you'd have choices to make about which skills you would use, but it looks like only 5 skills per weapon. It might just be cos I'm coming off the back of Secret World which had like 60+ skills per weapon and something like 600 skills you could learn all up, but yeah, not quite what I was expecting.

Graphics are pretty good, environments are very impressive, and the models and animations and stuff are better than screenshots would have had me believe. Combat is pretty fun, though at the moment still pretty simplistic, but then I'm only low level.

Camera movement feels a bit weird, like it lags behind a bit, and it doesn't stop immediately when I spin (its like it coasts to a stop instead of just stopping). Movement and controls don't feel as snappy and responsive as WoW, but I can't really blame it, don't think I've played any MMOs since WoW that have felt as good with regards to camera control and player movement, and after programming player movement in a game a few years ago I know its one of those things thats notoriously difficult to get feeling 'right'. Hate to make the WoW comparison, cos I was trying not to, but every time I go back to WoW I can't help but marvel at how good the controls feel. Its not a big deal though, at least it lets me crank the speed the camera pans at right up so I can flick it around at my leisure and its world above the first Guild Wars.

Anyway, yeah, thats just first impressions from a few hours of playing last night, I'll be playing it more tonight and over the weekend though. Its good enough to make me want to play it more, so it must be doing something right!

Also it let me make an awesome look tiger man with demon horns, so bonus points for that.
10:55am 14/09/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19896 posts
Oh, and how do I server transfer? I had to start on some other random server because Sea of Sorrows was full, but how do I transfer when I get a chance?

Also, wtf is the deal with that "Fight for you life" thing when you die, I was just mashing buttons and sometimes I'd get up and sometimes I wouldn't, and I couldn't really figure out what I was meant to be doing.
10:57am 14/09/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12754 posts
Oh, and how do I server transfer? I had to start on some other random server because Sea of Sorrows was full, but how do I transfer when I get a chance?

At character select there is a Transfer button.
Also, wtf is the deal with that "Fight for you life" thing when you die, I was just mashing buttons and sometimes I'd get up and sometimes I wouldn't, and I couldn't really figure out what I was meant to be doing.

Each character has different options. For me they're something like:

1 - Hurt something
2 - Disorient something
3 - Revive my pet (if dead) and tell it to revive me
4 - Revive myself

The idea is that you have a second set of hitpoints that go down, if they run out you die for good. The buttons have a recast timer, and the Revive Yourself one is channeled.

The idea is that you try to Revive Yourself as much as possible but mobs will still be hitting you. If you can get Revive Yourself to stick then you shouldn't mash the other buttons.
11:09am 14/09/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19897 posts
Is there something else that can make you get back up? Cos I was usually just mashing the buttons to attack stuff while I was laying on the ground, then sometimes I'd spontaneously get back up and other times I wouldn't
11:27am 14/09/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12755 posts
Is there something else that can make you get back up? Cos I was usually just mashing the buttons to attack stuff while I was laying on the ground, then sometimes I'd spontaneously get back up and other times I wouldn't

Someone might have walked past or been near and revived you.

Not sure what class you are but for me the pet will try to revive you constantly, you might have a similar effect that doesn't rely on channeling and is halfway usable as a button masher. If you're mashing buttons you'll get a few revive points in anyway so if you weren't taking gobs of damage it might be enough to get you up.
11:30am 14/09/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7491 posts
Is there something else that can make you get back up? Cos I was usually just mashing the buttons to attack stuff while I was laying on the ground, then sometimes I'd spontaneously get back up and other times I wouldn't

If you see the text "Rally!" that means a creature you were fighting has died, and you will be revived back up. Otherwise you will revive if a player has done so by coming over and healing you, or in the engineers case, thrown a potion at you to revive you.

The controls are different, that is for sure. They do feel "sticky" but you get use to it after awhile and it somehow complements the combat with dodging and ensuring around you is clear. I've actually pushed the camera sensitivty up higher compared to the default, and I noticed a huge difference in more smooth looking. I've also changed my keybinds to have A and D bound to strafing, with Q and E bound to my 6th skill and 10th skill.

Skill Point markers are always on your map without the need to discover where they are, however Vista points are not, though you will find them easier if you just talk to the scouts. Those are the guys with the telescope above their head, they'll give you an insight into the area and what is happening in the zone regarding lore and hearts.

Skills are different per weapon, and you only get five per type of weapon, however it is different for every class. Elementalists are the only ones that get 20 weapon skills per weapon they can use, as we have four different "states" to switch into. While it doesn't seem like a lot, when you hit 11 you unlock dual weapon sets, meaning you can switch in combat between two weapons to help spice up your abilities. It is weird at first having less skills but you'll actually be pretty overwhelmed when you get higher level and start picking skill point abilities for the 6th to 10th slots.
11:42am 14/09/12 Permalink
Woblzz
Queensland
82 posts
Is there something else that can make you get back up? Cos I was usually just mashing the buttons to attack stuff while I was laying on the ground, then sometimes I'd spontaneously get back up and other times I wouldn't


If your downed and kill an enemy while on the ground, im pretty sure you get back and on your screen it says *Rally*. Its like getting a secondwind in Borderlands
11:44am 14/09/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15897 posts
there's a great series of events in the hirathi highlands that give awesome xp and rewards. you start off by killing the giant kol skullsmasher which can take 10-20mins depending on how many players there are. you receive around 2k xp from killing him.

you then follow an npc that was helping you kill giant, further into the cave. this involves killing lots of oozes. you recieve another 2k xp at the end.

a wall then collapses that reveals a passage to a centaur camp where you need to kill 3 boss centaurs. you get another 2k xp from those. and then a little further into the camp is the chest which gives some nice rewards.

takes at most 30mins to do and it's bloody fun.
11:58am 14/09/12 Permalink
Midda
Brisbane, Queensland
7987 posts
If the enemy you're fighting gets killed while you're downed, you'll get back up straight away. That's most likely what happened.

I agree about the camera. It's actually worse now than it was in the betas. The betas still had that strange acceleration to it, but it didn't flip out in tight areas like it does now. I think they've already said on the forums that they're addressing both of those issues.

When you hit level 7, you'll unlock weapon swapping, so you can change between two weapon-sets whenever you like, even during combat. That's where managing your skills can get complex and satisfying, particularly with some classes like the thief. Though I guess how much you enjoy the skill system comes down to how you personally like to play, too. The system as it is appeals to me because I've never really liked the way most MMOs through 500 skills at you to manage. I only ever end up using like 6 or 7 of them. Generally, the 5 skills you get with each weapon are all pretty useful, and combining that with the ability to do things like swap from melee to ranged on the fly (and be equally capable as either) is pretty cool, at least I think so. Stunning the f*** out of someone with my thief and then swapping to pistols and shadow-stepping away from them to unload before they can get a hit off always feels awesome. Makes me feel like I'm Nightcrawler!
12:04pm 14/09/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19899 posts
I'm playing an engineer, was going to try an elementalist but I always play casters so I figured I'd try something a bit different. My turret is really tiny and unimpressive looking though :( Do things like that get better as you level up?
12:14pm 14/09/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12757 posts
I agree about the camera. It's actually worse now than it was in the betas. The betas still had that strange acceleration to it, but it didn't flip out in tight areas like it does now. I think they've already said on the forums that they're addressing both of those issues.

Camera was changed after release because you could use it to look through walls in WvWvW. They know it sucks for lots of close quarters stuff now and are working on it.
I'm playing an engineer, was going to try an elementalist but I always play casters so I figured I'd try something a bit different. My turret is really tiny and unimpressive looking though :( Do things like that get better as you level up?

Dunno about engi, guy I know started engi and said the turrets were kinda wimpy.
12:19pm 14/09/12 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
19122 posts
what the best way to zoom through the starting levels of crafting. i have been crafting all of these basic weapons items but it is so tediously boring, i am only up to level 40.

i want to fastrack this s***.
12:31pm 14/09/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7493 posts
what the best way to zoom through the starting levels of crafting. i have been crafting all of these basic weapons items but it is so tediously boring, i am only up to level 40.

i want to fastrack this s***.

Discovery tab pretty much. It will give you at least 3 levels each time, and is so easy to do. Basically craft inscriptions for each weapon then use the tab to combine them.
12:34pm 14/09/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19900 posts
Whats the value of the currency? Like, is 1 gold considered a lot? Is 20 gold considered a lot? Is 100 gold rich as a motherf*****?
12:43pm 14/09/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12758 posts
1 gold is considered a good chunk of dough, a silver feels like a wow gold piece maybe?

100 gold is wtf, hax man, hax.
12:46pm 14/09/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15898 posts
i'm level 39 and i only have 2g :(

using waypoints a lot doesn't help.
12:50pm 14/09/12 Permalink
Dazhel
Gold Coast, Queensland
5223 posts
Are they always marked on the map though? I enjoy it because I can see them on the map and just need to figure out how to get there


You can either do it the cheaty way and go to the wiki to see the full zone map uncovered, or the intended way and visit a scout NPC with the spyglass over their head.

Scouts are pretty cool cos they have a voiceover cut scene that tells you a little back story of the zone, and there's usually a handful of them spread around as you progress through the different areas. When you talk to them they'll peel back the fog of war to give you a preview of their part of the zone and all the map markers, but you still need to explore a bit to uncover it permanently.
12:52pm 14/09/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7494 posts
i'm level 39 and i only have 2g :(

using waypoints a lot doesn't help.

Heh I have 5g though I've been playing the market recently, made a good chunk of my gold through farming spiders for Small Venom Sac's, though they must have nerfed my spot as it doesn't do as well.
01:09pm 14/09/12 Permalink
Midda
Brisbane, Queensland
7989 posts
I'm playing an engineer, was going to try an elementalist but I always play casters so I figured I'd try something a bit different. My turret is really tiny and unimpressive looking though :( Do things like that get better as you level up?

You get different turrets, but they don't change in appearance. The rifle turret always looks like that. The rocket turret looks a bit more impressive. You'll get other cool stuff as an engineer though, like the flamethrower kit and garenade kit (the engineer actually doesn't have weapon swapping like the other classes, instead you get weapon kits).

Gold is worth a lot more than it is in WoW. 20 Gold is a huge amount of money, you'd only get that by farming a whole heap of some highly-desired material and selling it on the trading post for a few weeks.
01:18pm 14/09/12 Permalink
Dazhel
Gold Coast, Queensland
5225 posts
What's the feeling on the different engie weapon kits?
I've lent heavily on the pistol/rifle and haven't used the explosives or flamethrower kits as much as I probably could because the UI for swapping kits feels a little clunky.

Heh I have 5g.

Playa!
01:25pm 14/09/12 Permalink
Ickus
Perth, Western Australia
286 posts
The things I do with turrets are...
- put multiple down at once, you can put 3-4? turrets down at once by lvl 30.
- overload them so they fire faster and do more damage.
- always pick them up or you will have to detonate them and wait for the timer go through.
- don't stick them all on top of each other or AoEs will kill them all.
- Run around like a mad man during combat as you are surprisingly squishy
01:34pm 14/09/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19903 posts
One thing I think that could be done better in MMOs (and I mean all MMOs cos I can't think of one off the top of my head that does this), is make the ability tree for the classes browseable at the point where you're selecting your class. A paragraph of flavour text is all good, but generally in an MMO a character you make turns out being a pretty heavy time investment, so it'd be good to have more of an idea what you're getting yourself in for before you make choices.
02:28pm 14/09/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7495 posts
ANet has released new patch notes for tonight which you can read over here, and a new blog post has been put up explaining the end game content and where Guild Wars 2 is going in the future.
02:34pm 14/09/12 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
8236 posts
konstie you've been ginvited

khel what's your account/char name?
02:35pm 14/09/12 Permalink
Dazhel
Gold Coast, Queensland
5227 posts
Yeah a skills tree to choose your character is a nice to have.
Though there's something to be said for the traditional method of browsing the official forums and doing a rough tally of whinges by character class to see which classes are nerfed and which classes are boss.
02:38pm 14/09/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19904 posts
Khel.2978

And my character is Khelrawr , cos hes a tiger man, see what I did there
02:45pm 14/09/12 Permalink
Ha
Brisbane, Queensland
301 posts
khel, as far as complaints go, that was the lamest.
03:32pm 14/09/12 Permalink
deadlyf
Queensland
2799 posts
Does everyone have their dodge left at default double tap direction key? I've had a couple of times now when simply correcting my position with A or D I end up doing a roll, usually over a f*****g cliff because that's the only time I need to do the finer direction control.
I was a bit disappointed in the range of skills though, after all the hype about the huge selection of skills and how you can play it however you want, it seems a bit limited.
I'm not too worried about it but I do think most of the classes are far from perfect and will need work done over time but that's par for the course with any MMO. With the limited weapon abilities though, once you combine weapon swapping with utility abilities most classes have at least 16+ abilities to play with at any one time and quite a number of combinations to get there.

Personally I'm a bit floored that hunters can't use guns, that was bit of a disappointment, especially since they have you throw axes instead.
03:55pm 14/09/12 Permalink
Midda
Brisbane, Queensland
7990 posts
What's the feeling on the different engie weapon kits?
I've lent heavily on the pistol/rifle and haven't used the explosives or flamethrower kits as much as I probably could because the UI for swapping kits feels a little clunky.

I've bound skills 7, 8, 9, 0, as Z, X, C, V, respectively, so swapping weapon kits is just a quick button press away. I use the flame kit a lot, it's invaluable when dealing with multiple mobs. For single mobs, I'll just stick with my rifle, briefly swapping to my flame thrower to push them away if my overcharged shot is on cooldown.

I'd also recommend to rebind dodge to something more practical than V. If you're not dodging all the time, you're taking more damage than you need to. I've moved dodge to Mouse 4 (side mouse button under my thumb). Waaaaaay more practical, imo.

Oh, and your question about the vistas Khel, yes, they're always marked on the map. They can still be a b**** to figure out exactly how to get to them sometimes, but that's what keeps them interesting. I was surprised by the vistas actually, when they first introduced them in the final beta weekend, I thought they were a bit silly, but now I find myself going out of my way to get to them whenever I see one on my map.
03:55pm 14/09/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15900 posts
Heh I have 5g though I've been playing the market recently, made a good chunk of my gold through farming spiders for Small Venom Sac's, though they must have nerfed my spot as it doesn't do as well.


/shakes first

i think i'm going to start vendoring blues. i've probably put 100 or so into the mystic forge and haven't got one usable item from it yet.

Does everyone have their dodge left at default double tap direction key? I've had a couple of times now when simply correcting my position with A or D I end up doing a roll, usually over a f*****g cliff because that's the only time I need to do the finer direction control.


you can bind dodge to a key. mines bound to E.
04:14pm 14/09/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19905 posts
Is it better off salvaging or vendoring blues? I've just been salvaging them since I got some salvage kits from completing a quest (and cos I was running out of bag space).

I bought some new bags while I was out running around and realised I can use the AH from anywhere, then it goes "You need to go back to town to collect your purchases or buy an instant trading post from the ingame store". Gay!
04:17pm 14/09/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15902 posts
from what i've read it's better to sell them to get gold. salvage white items for mats.
04:20pm 14/09/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7497 posts
Is it better off salvaging or vendoring blues? I've just been salvaging them since I got some salvage kits from completing a quest (and cos I was running out of bag space).I bought some new bags while I was out running around and realised I can use the AH from anywhere, then it goes "You need to go back to town to collect your purchases or buy an instant trading post from the ingame store". Gay!
Sell anything that is above blue quality because you will gain more income and at the moment gear on the TP is way cheaper. The thing with salvaging is that items of higher quality will only give you more of the basic materials if you use higher salvage kits, which really aren't worth it unless you are salvaging yellows and want more rare materials.

Currently salvaging whites is the best way to gather crafting mats, and you can just use the 88c salvage kits for that. You'll only ever need to buy a high end salvage kit if you want a rune from a piece of equipment, though you can just transmute runes onto your gear from usable items. Also Khel I'll send you a few 8 slot bags later tonight.

Edit- You also get crafting materials from those goody bags that frequently drop off enemies.
04:31pm 14/09/12 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
8237 posts
Sell them is what I read to build up your gold stacks. Also Khel (and others) from the bags you can deposit all your collectibles without needing to go back to the bank. Just click the wheel when inventory is open.
04:32pm 14/09/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19906 posts
Also Khel I'll send you a few 8 slot bags later tonight


Hells yeah, pimp me out b****!
04:33pm 14/09/12 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
8239 posts

ANet has released new patch notes for tonight which you can read over here, and a new blog post has been put up explaining the end game content and where Guild Wars 2 is going in the future.


I'm going to re-quote the link to the blog post about end game content because it's a pretty awesome read and gives good insight into the development philosophy.
05:06pm 14/09/12 Permalink
deadlyf
Queensland
2800 posts
Everyone is wrong about salvage vs sell. At Khels level, Jute scraps and Copper ore sell well but the blue gear only goes for a couple of copper.

Reverse is true for most white gear, you'll find it sells quite well at the TP and can be better to sell it at auction than to salvage it.

At later levels this can change, the market is far from stable at the moment so you have to check quite often but I think a lot of people have either skipped crafting initially and are now just starting or are starting an alt and powering their crafting a bit to get them the few levels you need to blow past the less interesting starting zones.
05:11pm 14/09/12 Permalink
Midda
Brisbane, Queensland
7991 posts
Is it better off salvaging or vendoring blues? I've just been salvaging them since I got some salvage kits from completing a quest (and cos I was running out of bag space).

Click on the little cog in the top-right corner of your bag window, and click "deposit all collectibles." Anything you have in your bag that's used for crafting will get sent to your bank. The banks also have a special section for collectibles, so they don't take up your regular bank space.
05:22pm 14/09/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12769 posts

If you haven't already, try this setting immediately!


http://i.imgur.com/PFsti.jpg

Works on gathering as well as loot windows!
06:09pm 14/09/12 Permalink
Midda
Brisbane, Queensland
7992 posts
Yeah, auto-loot is the bomb, should be the default setting.
06:11pm 14/09/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7498 posts
I'm going to re-quote the link to the blog post about end game content because it's a pretty awesome read and gives good insight into the development philosophy.
Oh yeah one of the devs, Colin Johanson, also had this to say on the forums about game content and the future:
No need to buy them, Gw2 will feature consistent free content updates and in-game events going forward. Our goal is to make it so you get more from Gw2 for free than you get from a game you pay a subscription for.
On top of a large amount of free bonus content, we will be expanding on offerings in the Black Lion Trading Company going forward, as well as be doing large-scale expansion content down the road.
We’ll cover a lot of the details on the kind of support and plans we have in place over the next month or so on the Gw2 blog and with our press partners.
We do appreciate that you’d like to buy lots of new content, but we’d prefer to give a lot of it to you for free, cause that’s what we think a responsible MMO company does!
06:26pm 14/09/12 Permalink
Midda
Brisbane, Queensland
7993 posts
Wow, so they're not even going to be charging for expansions? That's crazy, they must be making some decent money from the Gem Store. I mean, I'd be happy to buy an expansion every 12 months or so, but if they're willing to offer the same content for free, I'm not going to argue. I'll support them by buying gems or something.
06:39pm 14/09/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12771 posts
I think they are saying they'll be selling a regular expansion later on but that they will still be doing a lot of content updates even though there isn't a monthly fee.
06:42pm 14/09/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15904 posts
well my game has started crashing again after the latest update. :(
06:59pm 14/09/12 Permalink
deadlyf
Queensland
2801 posts
I bought some gems to get a new character slot and I have to say it was more than I was expecting to have to pay considering the silver to gems conversion rate.

I had converted silver to gems before to get some more bank space but I think it's like $10 for 800 gems which is only about 2g worth if you convert at the right time. That's only 1 character slot worth, bank tabs are 600 gems and bag space is 400. I was expecting the idea of "micro" transactions to be similar to apps for mobile devices but it's a fair bit heftier.

Then again it is inline with what Blizzard tend to ask for when they charge for extra stuff like server transfers or race changes.
07:59pm 14/09/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4956 posts
So after getting my engineer to 55 i've decided to put him on hold while I play around with mesmer for awhile. Not had one past Lv 7 and seems to be a lesser played class. Also took on the shatterer tonight and had a blast doing that. First open world boss i've fought so was really interesting to see how it goes. Plan on taking on more with my mesmer.
10:33pm 14/09/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12776 posts
So after getting my engineer to 55 i've decided to put him on hold while I play around with mesmer for awhile. Not had one past Lv 7 and seems to be a lesser played class

Oh lordie!
10:57pm 14/09/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15905 posts
yeah i've hardly seen any mesmers.
11:04pm 14/09/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4957 posts
Yeah yeah I know hog, typical me playing every class. Still though I'm in no rush to hit 80 and like seeing all the different stories and orders. I'm having a blast and even more so since I have a leveling buddy.
11:26pm 14/09/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7499 posts
yeah i've hardly seen any mesmers.

Friend is a Mesmer, seems to be quite an enjoyable class, though it does take some micro-management of clones.

Wonder how Khel is doing, awfully quiet.
11:27pm 14/09/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19907 posts
Wonder how Khel is doing, awfully quiet.


Been moving into a new place all week, and tonight was when I moved all my PC and stuff from my brother's place to here, so I've only really just got everything up and going again. Also no internet yet so I've tethered my PC to my phone instead (which is actually a s***load faster and working a s***load better than I was expecting).

Kind of annoying though, got an email from Internode this afternoon saying the service was setup and ready to go (Naked ADSL) but I'm getting no sync on the modem.
02:35am 15/09/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4960 posts

Lol. It does work but it's a little fiddly to get it just right.
01:58pm 15/09/12 Permalink
Taipan
USA
3837 posts
I have a couple of questions. In Wvw players are all scaled up to 80 right. So is there any difference between a lvl 10 being scaled up and someone who is actually lvl 80? I realise the high level you actually are the more skills you have access to thus giving you an advantage over a lowbie. Does gear still play a part in increasing your characters attridutes and abilities or is it all brought up to some flat arbitary number in order to keep things as evrn as possible?
12:14am 17/09/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7510 posts
Gear doesn't play as big of a part in PvP, but you will obviously get more out of the higher tuned stats plus you'll have more choice of skills.
12:16am 17/09/12 Permalink
Mephz
Brisbane, Queensland
1182 posts
Gear + Traits play a huge part in the scaling to 80.
04:07pm 17/09/12 Permalink
Timmeh
Brisbane, Queensland
2497 posts
money from the Gem Store. I mean, I'd be happy to buy an expansion every 12 months or so, .

like Call of Duty?
haha
04:16pm 17/09/12 Permalink
Taipan
USA
3839 posts
Any chance you could expand upon tbat a little plz mephz?
06:34pm 17/09/12 Permalink
Mephz
Brisbane, Queensland
1184 posts
A level 50 scaled up is more powerful than a level 10 scaled up.

10:11pm 17/09/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4965 posts
Putting armor aside, a Lv 80 will do more damage even with the same armor because of Traits which is essentially your spec. Take mesmer for instance, they are quite spec dependant and a Lv 10 will do maybe even 30 - 50% less damage because of it.
10:24pm 17/09/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7515 posts
Saw this on Reddit, a rough estimate of what it will take to make one of two legendary greatswords, Sunrise. Quite a hefty list of materials, including 100g+ and 80 or so days of in-game time to get achievement related items.
10:52pm 17/09/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15923 posts
pretty sure that's 80 real life days (to get the daily achievements), not in game time.
10:56pm 17/09/12 Permalink
deadlyf
Queensland
2807 posts
Haha the stats on that legendary are horrible. Hey kids for a mass of effort you can have yourself a sword that has 2-3 extra stat points and 17 more max damage than the sword that took you 5 minutes to get.
07:21am 18/09/12 Permalink
qmass
Queensland
10434 posts
Haha the stats on that legendary are horrible. Hey kids for a mass of effort you can have yourself a sword that has 2-3 extra stat points and 17 more max damage than the sword that took you 5 minutes to get.
sounds like an MMO to me.

edit: are there any good lowerping-esque services for gw2? been messing around with the game a little bit but combat has felt more like a chore because of lag.
07:30am 18/09/12 Permalink
boba
Cainer
Brisbane, Queensland
3734 posts
sounds like an MMO to me.edit: are there any good lowerping-esque services for gw2? been messing around with the game a little bit but combat has felt more like a chore because of lag.
http://www.reducethelag.com/ now supports gw2. not sure how much better it makes your ping though
09:10am 18/09/12 Permalink
Jim
UK
13086 posts
sounds like an MMO to me.
not so much
12:06pm 18/09/12 Permalink
icewyrm
Brisbane, Queensland
2521 posts
Legendaries have the same stats as exotics, and many give unpopular stats. It's all about the transmog with those.
12:53pm 18/09/12 Permalink
Keato
Melbourne, Victoria
535 posts
Killed the dragon yesterday, was awesome.
Like the first time I killed Onyxia, So many people died.

The game shouts at you in voice "Its going to breath run away", the game drops a bone wall for you to hide behind, the dragon fears you 80% of the way to the wall before it breaths... yet people stood in front of it, died and stayed spamming /yell REZ REZ.

Many lols as I DPS my way to GOLD.

Got a 1 hand yellow mace, 2 hand yellow sword, Yellow Bow and 5sp. All level 75.

Good fun.
01:27pm 18/09/12 Permalink
Midda
Brisbane, Queensland
8000 posts
I just found out today from Reddit that the piece of armour you choose at character creation is unique, and the same skin can't be found later in the game, so don't get rid of them.

If you already have, there's a way around it. I still have the backpack I chose for my engineer, but I wanted the steampunk monocle as well. You create a new character with the armour piece you want, and play until you can access your bank. Get out a transmutation stone and combine it with some cheap equivalent item (as in, if it's a medium helm, combine it with another medium helm). This will get around the fact that it's soulbound (it will still say soulbound in the description, but it is still equitable on another character). Pop it in the bank, go to the character you want to put it on and use another transmutation stone to get some good stats on it.

Apparently there's no way to get a hood later in the game, other than the one you choose at the start with a thief. I vendored the one my thief started with, so I think I'll do this trick to get another.

02:10pm 18/09/12 Permalink
kappa
Brisbane, Queensland
1953 posts
09:18am 19/09/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19925 posts
It still hasn't really hooked me in to the point where I'm addicted to it and must play more, but its fun enough that the very least it'll be an entertaining fallback on maintenance nights and such.

The environments, while very pretty, are kinda bland as far as lore and story stuff goes. And the 'hearts', while mechanically an interesting idea, are a bit of the same deal, they're often pretty bland and have no real story to them. Sometimes I've completed a heart without even finding or seeing the person it was for, and usually its just something generic like "Ghosts are bad, kill ghosts and break their s*** and save our soldiers".

The writing is a bit poor and the delivery is often overly melodramatic too, which is a bit offputting. It probably wouldn't have mattered a few years ago, but Old Republic and especially The Secret World raised the bar for what I expect from writing and VO.

The gameplay is fun though, but without all that juicy story and lore type stuff, its just not quite firing on all cylinders for me. Maybe if I played the first Guild Wars a lot I'd appreciate it more, cos I'd be like "OMG I remember this zone from the first game" and recognise whats changed and understand why its full of ghosts. But without that context, it feels kinda generic and meaningless.
10:17am 19/09/12 Permalink
Dazhel
Gold Coast, Queensland
5241 posts
Ghosts are bad, kill ghosts and break their s***

Can't argue with the logic
10:39am 19/09/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12797 posts
F***en ghosts, ruining all our s***.
10:43am 19/09/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19926 posts
Yeah, its not an unreasonable request
10:54am 19/09/12 Permalink
Taipan
USA
3841 posts
I don't go in for all the lore bulls*** personally I kind of find it a bit yawn worthy in any game. Particularly not when some games have the story pitting two waring factions against each other while at the same time have shared cities where every one plays happy tree friends. Way to kill the feeling of conflict.

I am happy enough if a game plays well and offers enough interesting s*** to do without feeling like a grind.

11:29am 19/09/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15929 posts
"Ghosts Centaurs are bad, kill ghosts centaurs and break their s*** and save our soldiers".


fixed
12:44pm 19/09/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7522 posts
The lore is there, just out of the way and not so direct compared to other MMO's. I've found vast amounts of books, etched stone tablets, statues and more full of history, stories and battles which are very fascinating to read. There are four statues in Eir's instance home that have a backstory on the Norn and how they began.

Really you do have to look, it isn't as publicly presented because the game makes you explore and discover these hidden vaults full of goodies, so really you want to explore to find out what happened, to find out why you are doing things. Also listening to NPC's will give you some really good background on what you are actually doing, plus talking to heart NPC's actually tell you why you are killing ghosts and saving soldiers.
01:21pm 19/09/12 Permalink
Keato
Melbourne, Victoria
536 posts
"Ghosts Centaurs are bad, kill ghosts centaurs and break their s*** and save our soldiers".


The higher you go.. its all Risen.

(Risen = undead)

Risen Rabbits that explode
Risen Turtles who have a million hitpoints and walk slow
Risen Sharks, Risen Ghosts (Go Figure)
01:39pm 19/09/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15931 posts
yeah it was all centaurs up until level 45. now that i'm in bloodtide coast (level 45-55), it's all risen.
03:06pm 19/09/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4968 posts
There is Risen Chickens don't forget.
03:10pm 19/09/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15933 posts
i hate the risen that run really really fast.
03:50pm 19/09/12 Permalink
deadlyf
Queensland
2808 posts
They swim stupidly fast as well.
04:21pm 19/09/12 Permalink
Mephz
Brisbane, Queensland
1185 posts
GW2 just went down? Just logged in and then booted no warning. Can't login now :(
05:01pm 19/09/12 Permalink
BoDGie
Brisbane, Queensland
590 posts
Can't log in either
05:24pm 19/09/12 Permalink
kappa
Brisbane, Queensland
1956 posts
05:33pm 19/09/12 Permalink
Mephz
Brisbane, Queensland
1189 posts
^ Excellent. Thank you very much :)
05:40pm 19/09/12 Permalink
Mordecai
Victoria
1450 posts
The higher you go.. its all Risen.

(Risen = undead)

Risen Rabbits that explode
Risen Turtles who have a million hitpoints and walk slow
Risen Sharks, Risen Ghosts (Go Figure)

The Sylvari have to deal with Risen pretty early. I was playing my guardian and killing them at level 5.
05:49pm 19/09/12 Permalink
Raskalnickoff
Queensland
3 posts
Seems to me that in GW2 my roleplay will be determined by howmuch I dislike the other abilities rather than by how cool a particular tequnique is. First of I rolled a thief so that I could play Hyperdimensional Frog, the athletic Sheila. But I find I never use the F1, its out of the way and not terribly usefull and I feel like I’m supposed to know what I am steeling and how to use it. Then there is the dodge, normally Frog really likes dodging, but its also normally an innate. Double tap is hard to do. Maybe I’ll have another go at this later but for the time being a necromancer will be my main.
Anoiki has the same issues though. There isn’t enough different tactics options for me to struggle to choose between them. This is partially because in ADOM I could have a hoard of zombies and skeletons following me. So for a choice of three minions I figure “why bother even summoning them?”

so all I am doing is leveling up the least fun ability.
04:12pm 04/10/12 Permalink
Taipan
USA
3855 posts
Still having a good time with gw2 and have my alt warrior upto 40 now and enjoying smashing the s*** out of everything in sight. I havent even seen the higher level areas yet so there is still plenty for me to see and done.
06:15pm 04/10/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7623 posts
I just have way too many games to play at the moment, Guild Wars 2 has taken a back burner and I like that I can do that.
06:19pm 04/10/12 Permalink
infi
Brisbane, Queensland
19183 posts
I'm level 80, so what happens next?
06:36pm 04/10/12 Permalink
Taipan
USA
3856 posts
Gear up your epeen infi. Actually you being you i am sure that somewhere in the gw world you could subjegate some poor race into working for you for a couple of copper a day :-p. Just kidding mate.

Go forth and kill s*** or level an alt and kill s***.
07:48pm 04/10/12 Permalink
Midda
Brisbane, Queensland
8010 posts
But I find I never use the F1, its out of the way and not terribly usefull and I feel like I’m supposed to know what I am steeling and how to use it. Then there is the dodge, normally Frog really likes dodging, but its also normally an innate. Double tap is hard to do. Maybe I’ll have another go at this later but for the time being a necromancer will be my main

Change your keybinds. Steal is an awesomely useful skill, I use it all the time. I have F1 set to middle mouse, and it's how I initiate most fights when I can. You just have a quick glance at the icon to see what you stole, you learn what items do what pretty quickly, and they're all pretty handy.

Disable double-tap to dodge and try binding it to a more accessible button. I use mouse 4 (side mouse button), which is far more useful. I rely on it heavily.
08:59pm 04/10/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19965 posts
I'm level 80, so what happens next?


Do the max level daily quests that advance the story for different factions and earn you cool rewards? Or run heroics? Get your guild together and do the new raids?

Oh hang on, never mind, I was thinking of a different game that actually has stuff to do at max level.
09:16am 05/10/12 Permalink
Thundercracker
Brisbane, Queensland
3245 posts
:ohsnap:
09:32am 05/10/12 Permalink
Midda
Brisbane, Queensland
8011 posts
Oh hang on, never mind, I was thinking of a different game that actually has stuff to do at max level.

Yeah, I reckon. I feel like my subscription is totally going to waste.
10:12am 05/10/12 Permalink
Ickus
Perth, Western Australia
294 posts
I'm level 80, so what happens next?


We all get to laugh at you because you didn't understand that the game is not a race to level 80.
10:17am 05/10/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19967 posts
So its considered a bad thing to play through all the content a game has on offer now? How are you supposed to play it, just nibble at it a little bit at a time because if you eat it all at once it will spoil your appetite or something?

I'm mostly just trolling now when it comes to Guild Wars 2, but this attitude of people who actually play through the whole game being considered outcasts, like they've done something wrong because they have the sheer audacity to consume all the content on offer, boggles my mind.
10:33am 05/10/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7630 posts
Do the max level daily quests that advance the story for different factions and earn you cool rewards? Or run heroics? Get your guild together and do the new raids?Oh hang on, never mind, I was thinking of a different game that actually has stuff to do at max level.
Wait you're claiming there isn't stuff to do? World bosses, dungeons, explorer dungeons, map completion, legendary weapon creation, tournament PVP, WvWvW oh and hidden puzzles/chests.

Oh wait, you were comparing it to WoW, a game that strives on pushing players to the end as quickly as possible because that is the only real content and only worthwhile stuff to do? Cause you know, only having content that rewards you on being at the end is totally fun right?
10:34am 05/10/12 Permalink
Taipan
USA
3857 posts
Oh hang on, never mind, I was thinking of a different game that actually has stuff to do at max level.


A gamer suffering stockholm syndrome, who would of thought.

+1 ikus
10:37am 05/10/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7631 posts
So its considered a bad thing to play through all the content a game has on offer now? How are you supposed to play it, just nibble at it a little bit at a time because if you eat it all at once it will spoil your appetite or something?I'm mostly just trolling now when it comes to Guild Wars 2, but this attitude of people who actually play through the whole game being considered outcasts, like they've done something wrong because they have the sheer audacity to consume all the content on offer, boggles my mind.
We've said it before, Guild Wars 2 doesn't constantly tell you that you need to be level 80 to do things, its just that the mentality of many has them rushing to 80 because of previous MMO's telling them that is where the only content is. When has WoW ever given lower players something to do besides the dungeons that get out leveled?

I haven't played Guild Wars 2 in over a week because I've been playing other games, and I actually love that I can do this. I don't feel a pressure to be level 80 so I can do my raids or dailies that WoW has conditioned many to believe is the only worthwhile content. The notion that being high level is it and done, is no longer needed in Guild Wars 2 because it doesn't have that mentality. If you have gotten to level 80, there is still a huge amount of content to do, and putting blinders on saying that there is no content once you are 80 is being quite ignorant.

I do understand you're just trolling now but gotta step up the game :)
10:42am 05/10/12 Permalink
Taipan
USA
3858 posts
Anything worth a s*** in wow happens at max level. But as a funny little joke they strap lead boots to the feet of of their players and a fridge to their backs. Lets face it mindless grinds aren't any fun unless you are being crushed by them.
10:51am 05/10/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19968 posts
When is it no longer considered "racing to get to level 80" though? At what point is it considered ok to be level 80? Games been out for a month now, I wouldn't consider anyone who's at max level to really have "raced" there...

I just find it funny, cos there seems to be this idea of what every other MMO that isn't Guild Wars 2 is that people have in their heads, and it doesn't in any real way reflect the reality of the situation. Its like you've created this worst possible scenario of how other games play, to make you feel better because Guild Wars 2 plays differently.

I didn't mind GW2, I didn't think it was great, but it wasn't bad. I mean, I could just extrapolate what I played 6 years ago in Guild Wars and base all my opinions about the game on that, but that would be stupid right? I figured I'd give the game and go and make up my own mind. I'm sure nobody in this thread would be basing their arguments or opinions on a game on something they played 6 years ago instead of the most current iteration, right?

only having content that rewards you on being at the end is totally fun right?


This is why when people play pass the parcel at kids parties these days, everyone gets a prize. Should ALL rewards and content only happen at the end? Of course not. Should there be some rewards and high level content which you earn access to at higher levels? Absolutely, otherwise wheres the sense of achievement. Look at any game and theres stuff you don't unlock till towards the end, or in something like COD or BF3, stuff you don't unlock until higher levels or until you've put serious time into the game. If you don't want to put the time in, thats cool, thats your choice, theres plenty of other stuff you can do instead, but complaining you don't get all the rewards that a high level player gets is like whinging that you don't have all the best guns in BF3 when you're level 10 and only played for a few hours.
11:16am 05/10/12 Permalink
Dazhel
Gold Coast, Queensland
5286 posts
I'm mostly just trolling now when it comes to Guild Wars 2, but this attitude of people who actually play through the whole game being considered outcasts, like they've done something wrong because they have the sheer audacity to consume all the content on offer


"consuming all the content on offer" is a very different thing in WoW because of the subscription fee.
I get that you're trolling and that GW2 didn't grab you, but you keep comparing it to WoW as if they're apples to apples.
How many hours of GW2 entertainment is reasonable for a $70 outlay? I haven't yet but it's nice to know when I get bored or annoyed with GW2 I can put it aside until they release a patch or expansion and I can continue without the pressure of maintaining a monthly subscription.

Also, when someone dings 80 have they actually consumed all of the content in Guild Wars 2?
I'm just a tad under level 40 with my main character and I've got about 23% world explored, haven't touched any dungeons or WvW yet, haven't tried any of the other professions yet, dabbled a little in the crafting but barely even scratched the surface.
11:33am 05/10/12 Permalink
Reverend Evil
Wynnum, Queensland
20968 posts
This is why when people play pass the parcel at kids parties these days, everyone gets a prize

Remember those kids that would hold on to the package thingy longer than they should hoping the music would stop.
11:35am 05/10/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
7634 posts
As I said Khel, being level 80 doesn't suddenly mean you've had all the content there is to offer from ArenaNet. The whole notion of the game isn't that reaching end level ends the game and you can't do anything more, its just an opening to a whole new amount of stuff, and the added benefit of going back to lower areas and being given a challenge helps show more content is there.

WoW does have a crap load of content, but mainly for end-game. The pressure is put on getting ot level 90 and starting those raids, because we know that after you ding that level, the only content you will see until the next expansion is raids or maybe a new dungeon (which will probably be for level 90). World of Warcraft does focus on the higher end levels rather than the levelling experience that Guild Wars 2 focuses on. You can rush to level 80 if you want, because the level is just a means of doing the level 80 stuff, you can still go back and do the level 20 stuff and be level 20 (albeit with less of a challenge due to gear and skills).

Guild Wars 2 is your orange, World of Warcraft is your apple, the two can't be compared because they do things so differently. One focuses on high-end level content, the other focuses on the journey to the high-end level.
11:41am 05/10/12 Permalink
Taipan
USA
3859 posts
Forget it mate they have been programed and they simply aren't going to get it so walk away. It's starting to look more and more like they are butt hurt that people dare enjoy something that isn't wow.
11:50am 05/10/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19969 posts
Yeah, I get that, but I still don't buy that the pressure is put on you by the game, that pressure is put on players by themselves. I also don't think its fair to say it focuses only on endgame stuff when a large majority of content in the last expansion was a complete redo of the entire 1 - 60 experience. Yeah theres a lot of stuff to do at max level, but theres a lot of content to enjoy on the way there too. If people want to rush through that to get to level 90 as fast as possible, thats their choice, but its not like thats the only way to play.

I had written more, but I don't think theres a point, no matter what I say I'm not going to change any pre-conceptions people have about what sort of game it is. It just genuinely boggles my mind that people are so willing to accept in Guild Wars 2, what would be considered fatal flaws in other games. Maybe cos theres no subscription people are more forgiving and willing to accept less? I dunno, but it genuinely confounds me, I just don't get it.

Forget it mate they have been programed and they simply aren't going to get it so walk away. It's starting to look more and more like they are butt hurt that people dare enjoy something that isn't wow.


Oh the ironing.
12:02pm 05/10/12 Permalink
Taipan
USA
3861 posts
Mate you sound exactly like infi rabiting on about the libs. Both you and rev have shown time and time again that you have absolutely no desire what so ever to take the blinkers off. Sure you bought the game and gave it a ten minute run but I have no doubt that you were completely and utter predisposed to it being a bit hohum because you are have been bought and now completely owned by wow.

You sau people have preconceptions of other games that are negative. Well I have no preconceptions of wow for example I have years of personal experience, theres a huge difference. Wow is a grind fest that dangles a carrot in such a way that people do feel pressured into getting to end game as fast as possible. Seriously who the f*** wants to spend weeks lobbing around Stranglethorn taking in the sights or redoing runs of the ever so popular shadowfang keep or SM. To make progress in wow you have a very narrow avenue to do it effectively but in guild wars thats simply not the case.

mate next time you feel you want to buy a new car bring your old one to me and I'll slap a coat of paint on it and sell it back to you for a great wad of cash.
01:38pm 05/10/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19970 posts
I've played plenty of games, and MMOs that aren't WoW. In fact I cancelled my WoW account in December last year cos I was bored of it and only re-enabled it a month or so ago for the new expansion. I'm open to playing anything, but you seem to just vehemently hate WoW and anything WoW-like with a passion, to the point where it seems like the only reason you enjoy GW2 so much is because it isn't WoW. Which ok, thats fine, but its a bit hard to sw