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Diablo III All-In-One Thread
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12453 posts
What defi said.

Also -- and I cannot stress this enough -- progression through the game into late nightmare and beyond may not be linear depending on your luck, how much you spent on training crafters and what sort of deal you managed to get from the AH.

I found Hell very challenging so replayed act4 NM a few times and got some new kit. The extra level or two, a splurge on the AH and a rethink on playstyle means I'm ripping s*** up again.
09:30am 24/05/12 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
6921 posts
I'm a:
54 Barbarian
45 Witchdoctor
20 Monk
18 demon hunter (i think)
15 wizard

30 virgin

Who the hell has that much time to spend playing the game and get that many characters up given it's barely been out a week? :P
09:38am 24/05/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19119 posts
I've only got a 42 wizard and a level 12 monk.

Of course the other solution if you're having difficulty in Hell by yourself, is don't play by yourself. I wouldn't say I was stuggling with nightmare but it was definitely a challenge by myself on my Wizard and I was dying a lot on elite packs, but when I joined Ticman's game we were raping it up. Mainly cos stuff wasn't just chasing me all the time, and when he'd get everythings attention and group them all up I was free to stand back and go to town on s***. When I'm by myself I spend a lot of time running away from stuff and dropping hydras behind me as I run to try and get some damage on the stuff chasing me :P

Even though the mobs get harder with more people, in a lot of ways it gets easier too since you have more targets for them to go for, and a wider range of abilities accross the group to handle different situations.
10:11am 24/05/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4662 posts
I went into a cave just now and 1st room I ran into a Molten, Invincible, Electrified pack. That's bad enough but they also had the insane speed as well even though they shouldn't of. So how is it possible for a demon hunter to kill that when they can outrun you no matter what you do. Even when I stick down caltrops they blast through it at a run speed faster than mine. Guess I won't be clearing that cave.

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12:27pm 24/05/12 Permalink
Thundercracker
Brisbane, Queensland
3193 posts
43 monk is me atm.

I also have a lowbie WD but he doesnt get much play.

I am time poor :(
12:28pm 24/05/12 Permalink
defi
Wynnum, Queensland
2881 posts
Guess I won't be clearing that cave.
Alot of people seem to have trouble when they get stuck like that and keep trying to kill the mob over and over. If you get stuck I just leave that bit and come back or go around. Just keep rolling on with normal mobs. Once you hit higher levels / better gear those rares and champions will feel like nothing.
12:46pm 24/05/12 Permalink
Morax
Brisbane, Queensland
2252 posts
So far, this is my tl;dr review of the game:

Normal - 9.5/10 (so much fun, maybe a bit easy)
Nightmare - 9.5/10 (so much fun, bit of a challenge)
Hell - 9.5/10 (so much fun, challenging and requires thinking)
Inferno - 1/10 (instagib, kiting, repairing, dying. Rinse, repeat)

Inferno is not difficult. It's just plain silly. There's a difference between having something that is difficult & challenging, and having something that is absurdly broken. I'm only in act 1, so granted I don't have amazing gear (4k armor, 13.5k hp and 23k damage), however those who have made it past act 1 did so by corpse hopping past the elites straight to the bosses & waypoints. I don't want to play the game that way.

If they can fix some of the mechanics & items to make it somewhat playable, the game could be an all time great. As of now, Inferno is just stupid.


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12:51pm 24/05/12 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
16772 posts
TEH GAME IS TOO HARD MUST BE BORKEN
12:53pm 24/05/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12462 posts
So far, this is my tl;dr review of the game:

Normal - 9.5/10 (so much fun, maybe a bit easy)
Nightmare - 9.5/10 (so much fun, bit of a challenge)
Hell - 9.5/10 (so much fun, challenging and requires thinking)
Inferno - 1/10 (instagib, kiting, repairing, dying. Rinse, repeat)


So you're not ready for Inferno yet. Play Hell and farm.
12:54pm 24/05/12 Permalink
Tollaz0r!
Brisbane, Queensland
12761 posts
Is inferno level loot on the AH way out priced?
12:55pm 24/05/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4663 posts
If you are up to inferno and only have 13k hp your doing it wrong. I'm only on Act 1 hell and I have 26.5k on my 53 DH
12:57pm 24/05/12 Permalink
reload!
Brisbane, Queensland
6755 posts
problem is the level 60 hell gear isn't good enough. need to farm low level inferno mobs
12:58pm 24/05/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12463 posts
Is inferno level loot on the AH way out priced?

AFAIK Inferno loot is reportedly quite similar to act4 Hell loot, you go there to try to beat the game at its most ridiculously hard, not farm drops.
problem is the level 60 hell gear isn't good enough. need to farm low level inferno mobs

This doesn't seem to align with the whining about Inferno loot tables?
12:59pm 24/05/12 Permalink
reload!
Brisbane, Queensland
6756 posts
depends on your class dm.
01:00pm 24/05/12 Permalink
reload!
Brisbane, Queensland
6757 posts
Im just assuming.. I haven't played inferno yet but the gear drops on hell at lvl60 seem to be vastly inferior to the AH items that can only have come from inferno?
maybe it's just stupidly rare.
01:02pm 24/05/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4664 posts
Inferno drops Lv 60 loot far as I know. Act 1 may be tough but from everything i've read Act 2 is like a hot poker in your eye. It's waaaaay overtuned.
01:06pm 24/05/12 Permalink
defi
Wynnum, Queensland
2882 posts
4k armor, 13.5k hp and 23k damage
lol wut. 13k hp.....how did u even survive act 1 hell.
01:08pm 24/05/12 Permalink
reload!
Brisbane, Queensland
6758 posts
I was hoping it would drop new tiers of level 60s.. higher min damage, armor etc
01:09pm 24/05/12 Permalink
reload!
Brisbane, Queensland
6759 posts
I assume he's a wizard
01:09pm 24/05/12 Permalink
defi
Wynnum, Queensland
2883 posts
Even then you need to be able to survive a few hits. I would rather sacrifice a bit of damage for survivability. Its not wow zomg dps race.
01:12pm 24/05/12 Permalink
reload!
Brisbane, Queensland
6761 posts
agreed. my 40k health barb gets chopped down quickly still. need to work on my elemental resistances I think.
01:14pm 24/05/12 Permalink
Morax
Brisbane, Queensland
2253 posts
lol wut. 13k hp.....how did u even survive act 1 hell.

- I'm a wizard

- I had over 30k hp with about 11k damage. It was not working

- 23k damage and 13.5k hp with armor spells and damage reduction works WAY better than 100k hp. Either way you'll get instagibbed in inferno. The wizards who solo'd diablo in inferno had under 5k hp :)

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01:21pm 24/05/12 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
6922 posts
Act 1 may be tough but from everything i've read Act 2 is like a hot poker in your eye. It's waaaaay overtuned.

What do you mean by overtuned? Too difficult?
01:25pm 24/05/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12464 posts
- 23k damage and 13.5k hp with armor spells and damage reduction works WAY better than 100k hp. Either way you'll get instagibbed in inferno. The wizards who solo'd diablo in inferno had under 5k hp

Not since the hotfix they didn't :)

The big problem with this is because a couple of classes manage to scrape through (s*** like epic mapwide kiting, skipping, waypoint running and borderline exploiting) those who don't have the option think their class is broken because they have to play standard and can't 'clear' Inferno a week after release...

All this crying is going to turn a genuinely super-hard Inferno into a piece of s*** within a couple of patches :(
01:27pm 24/05/12 Permalink
Morax
Brisbane, Queensland
2254 posts
That's true, but even then 23k damage vs 11k damage on a caster is far superior. When I'm farming act 3 hell, I can steamroll almost anything with my current build (even champ packs with 3-4 players in the game).
01:30pm 24/05/12 Permalink
Morax
Brisbane, Queensland
2255 posts
The big problem with this is because a couple of classes manage to scrape through (s*** like epic mapwide kiting, skipping, waypoint running and borderline exploiting) those who don't have the option think their class is broken because they have to play standard and can't 'clear' Inferno a week after release...

I'm not saying I want to clear Inferno in a week. There's a problem in the gap between Hell act 4 (playable, try different skill builds) to Inferno (instagib, item drops don't scale, impossible to kill many things). I'd be more than happy to die to everything constantly If I could see SOME way of actually killing them using skill. Right now the item drops don't scale, and no amount of skill will let you kill them.
01:33pm 24/05/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12465 posts
Yes, its a big gap that means you may need to farm Hell 4 for a while in between trying new builds and gear sets. From everything I've read that's the whole point of Inferno? No matter skill you can't just walk into Mordor..

(I actually reckon Act 4 is short because its intended to be farmed a fair bit in a single play session)
01:40pm 24/05/12 Permalink
Morax
Brisbane, Queensland
2256 posts
The gear from act 4 hell is not even close to being good enough to run in Inferno. You basically need act 3-4 INFERNO gear to stand any kind of chance in inferno
01:43pm 24/05/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12466 posts
The gear from act 4 hell is not even close to being good enough to run in Inferno. You basically need act 3-4 INFERNO gear to stand any kind of chance in inferno

So in a week and a day you have the best item from Hell in every slot, and the best you can see on the AH?

Bulls***.
01:44pm 24/05/12 Permalink
Morax
Brisbane, Queensland
2257 posts
So in a week and a day you have the best item from Hell in every slot?

Nope, I have better than hell stuff from the AH from people who got to act 2+ in inferno.
01:49pm 24/05/12 Permalink
Woblzz
Queensland
41 posts
level 60 monk, 30k hp, 4k armour, 8k dps,

inferno act 1, very doable, some elites you run into can hit too hard, but mostly with a smart group most of the elite mobs are doable.

when i hit act 2 though :/, instagib on first monster. going to have to go back and farm act 1 inferno some more and get more gear
01:50pm 24/05/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12467 posts
Nope, I have better than hell stuff from the AH from people who got to act 2+ in inferno.

No you don't.

This is what an Act 2 inferno Wizard looks like:
http://i.imgur.com/QyvB8.jpg

You need to farm more gold / items.
01:51pm 24/05/12 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
7994 posts
Backing up what Khel said - I'm finding it easier playing the game in co-op than solo particularly if you get a ranged DPS and melee together. I group them up and get their attention while Khel stands back with his massive death ray eye thing and wipes the floor clean.
02:04pm 24/05/12 Permalink
Morax
Brisbane, Queensland
2258 posts
Is that gear all from Act 2 drops? If so, I stand corrected
02:07pm 24/05/12 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
6923 posts
2,195,625 Gold Pieces.
Hm.

Let's evaluate that for a moment.
Let's assume a gold piece is a 1oz Gold coin.

So that's 2.195,625 Troy ounces of gold. That's 62,244,921.7g. Let's work in kg, because it's easier, so 62,244.9217kg.
Okay, so gold is 19.30kg/liter.

Say we melted those gold pieces down so they're nice and dense and easier to carry (because you need that when you're carrying 62 tonnes of gold), we're looking at 3225.13 liters of gold. I rounded up a bit.
Cube root of that... 14.75.

Okay, so basically, to summarise, your character is lugging around a 1.475x1.475x1.475 meter cube of gold that weighs 62 tonnes, at all times.

That's like... the height of a tall dwarf. No wonder your characters are doing 40k DPS.
02:17pm 24/05/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19126 posts
Yeah, I don't think Inferno is overtuned, it was always meant to be ridiculously hard. Every interview they've done about it they talked about how its meant to be ridiculously hard, it was so difficult their normal QA team couldn't even test it properly, they had to put together a special QA taskforce out of the best players to test Inferno mode, and then when they had it balanced to a difficulty that those guys could handle, they doubled it.

People exploited their way through inferno, and/or abused broken skills to get through it, which has now given everyone else the idea that "Hey, why can't I do inferno too!"

Its like walking into a brand new raid in WoW and downing everything in heroic mode in the first week (game limitations aside). Sure some of the top end, serious raiding guilds could probably do that but the vast majority of people couldn't. Inferno is the same deal. Personally, I really hope Blizzard don't cave under the weight of the tears and make it easier.
02:23pm 24/05/12 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
5585 posts
Okay, so basically, to summarise, your character is lugging around a 1.475x1.475x1.475 meter cube of gold that weighs 62 tonnes, at all times.

It's in your stash, aka your bank. that's why your characters share it.
02:25pm 24/05/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4665 posts
Using a new build on my Demon Hunter and wiping the floor with enemies atm on hell. Only 1 pack killed me once and that's because they were teleporters.

Caltrops with 80% slow rune
Vault that costs 0 discipline but 15 sec cooldown
Preperation that has a 35% chance to not trigger CD
Cluster Arrow with final rune which changes it into an arcing, grenade dropping skill
Grenades with tinkerer rune that give 6 hatred per cast
Marked for Death with Valley of Death rune which changes it into a 20 yard, anyone inside gets the debuff.

Grenadier skill to boost hatred regen up to 8 and lowers Cluster Arrow cost by 10.
Custom Engineering to double the duration of Mark and Caltrops.
Cull the Weak for 15% damage on slowed targets.

I may not get that 100% crit rate every few seconds after combat but i'll take survivability over that anyday.
02:42pm 24/05/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12468 posts
Is that gear all from Act 2 drops? If so, I stand corrected

I also stand corrected - its all gear required to do Act 2 successfully with a standard play style. Reading around the place, its likely that you'll need at least a few Inferno pieces to get into inferno (which you can buy farming gold from Hell).

I played D2 too much, I forget sometimes that the AH is an integral part of a player's itemisation in d3!

It sort of makes sense that they'd make you use it to advance into Inferno rather than just farming drops 'organically'. It also puts the always-on DRM into a new light if you need to buy s*** from higher level players just to sanely play in Inferno. The trail blazers will be doing it tough though, but again they intended to make it really (stupidly) hard for the first comers so that the drops would slowly eke into the economy.

So yes, you'll probably need the best of the best from Hell drops, as well as some purchased Inferno drops to get into Inferno and play without gimmicks like instagib kiting etc. I have no problem with this personally.

I may not get that 100% crit rate every few seconds after combat but i'll take survivability over that anyday.

Yeh that;s why I'm moving into more support and defensive skills nad passives. A slower burn with lots of utility seems t be more sensible.
02:51pm 24/05/12 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
7995 posts
Yeh that;s why I'm moving into more support and defensive skills nad passives. A slower burn with lots of utility seems t be more sensible.


3 of my hotbars are now defensive skills but add some sort of offensive ability (like the one that heals me also gives me extra damage for 30 seconds or something). Once I switched to this I found it much easier to continue levelling and work through the content.
03:07pm 24/05/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19127 posts
I'm making small concession to defense, I use diamond skin now and hydras to keep myself more mobile, but I've still got all offensive passives slotted and all my other abilities are either offensive abilities or offensive buffs, and I pay for it with life too, often :P

But I'm going to hold out as long as I can!
03:43pm 24/05/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4666 posts
Poison Hydra rocks
03:46pm 24/05/12 Permalink
Tollaz0r!
Brisbane, Queensland
12764 posts
I use Diamond Armour, Magic Sword, familiar with 10% extra damage rune, Ray of frost swirling blue stuff of doom rune, magic missile with 140% damage rune and usually frost nova to escape or buy some time for Diamond Armour to recharge.

That has easily worked all the way up to Act 3 nightmare without a problem, act 3 nightmare requires me to 'Retreat' a little bit, more DPS should fix that. More DPS fixes everything..
03:54pm 24/05/12 Permalink
csirac
Brisbane, Queensland
2656 posts
If anyone thinks the transition from hell to inferno is harsh. Try act 1 to act 2 inferno. I'm needing to spend 5x more time farming act1 than I did to get ready in hell.

Morax: you're doing it wrong. Farm harder. As blizzard has said they did not intend for progression to be linear. Gear is everything. Having skill helps a tiny bit.
04:01pm 24/05/12 Permalink
Morax
Brisbane, Queensland
2259 posts
am farming act 4 inferno as we speak :)
04:06pm 24/05/12 Permalink
csirac
Brisbane, Queensland
2657 posts
if you call that farming lol
04:25pm 24/05/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4667 posts
Just got this in a game with Skythra, and some of his friends. Reason to level my monk now, awesome stats too.

http://i.imgur.com/xHDZl.jpg
04:55pm 24/05/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19128 posts
Heh, your gems are so nicely organised, mine are strewn all over the place
05:13pm 24/05/12 Permalink
Strik3r
Brisbane, Queensland
2069 posts
Whats happened to the friends list ? I can't see 90% of it any more, only my 'recently played' people.
05:55pm 24/05/12 Permalink
Strik3r
Brisbane, Queensland
2070 posts
and i cant seem to join their games either =\
05:58pm 24/05/12 Permalink
reload!
Brisbane, Queensland
6762 posts
anyone experiencing unplayable lag atm? Im spiking between 600 and 1100 :(
06:48pm 24/05/12 Permalink
maxe
Brisbane, Queensland
14388 posts
Just logged in and Diablo seems to think I dont have any heros
06:59pm 24/05/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12470 posts
anyone experiencing unplayable lag atm? Im spiking between 600 and 1100 :(

yes

sigh
07:00pm 24/05/12 Permalink
shad
Brisbane, Queensland
3724 posts
259ms here.
07:26pm 24/05/12 Permalink
Nukleuz
Perth, Western Australia
175 posts
yes. completely screwed. not just high pings but massive packet loss.
07:28pm 24/05/12 Permalink
Enska
Sydney, New South Wales
1768 posts
I haven't really played coop much, however normal as a WD doesn't really require it (Yeah I'm sure all the other classes don't either, just from my experience)
tbh running around with someone else on normal at the moment annoys me cos I don't get as many xp bonuses from the "kill this many mobs with one blow" bonus.

Edit* - f**** sake, every time I get home its either a shutdown or my ping is atrocious. getting a bit over this, where the f*** is Torchlight 2 so I can play it in spite!
08:18pm 24/05/12 Permalink
dais
Brisbane, Queensland
9164 posts
Where is everyone playing? As far as I can tell most of you seem to be on The Americas.

I thought Asia would have better ping, but they seem to be about the same. Though that may change in time.

We should all choose a server and stick with it imo.
08:21pm 24/05/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
6712 posts
Dais, majority are on Americas it seems. Enska I feel your pain, went to go and do Nightmare with a mate and it pops up saying "lolshutdown". So now I'm going to go and play Torchlight 2 and actually enjoy my game of awesome.
09:06pm 24/05/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19129 posts
tbh running around with someone else on normal at the moment annoys me cos I don't get as many xp bonuses from the "kill this many mobs with one blow" bonus.


Yeah, but you get a constant xp bonus from being a group. The more people in your group, the more xp you earn, and the better chance of good loot dropping.

Edit: Ok, maybe I'm wrong, I thought there was a bonus when you were in a group but a bit of googling seems to imply there isn't. Sure I read that somewhere though but I can't remember where.
09:10pm 24/05/12 Permalink
Reverend Evil™
Wynnum, Queensland
20499 posts
Funny post I saw over on the Diablo forums that made me LOL
Blizzard: Inferno is very difficult but the best players will be able to get through it.

Players: We found a way to get through it using Force Armor (Wizard), Quickening (Monk), and Smoke Screen (Demon Hunter).

Blizzard: Those were bugged so we nerfed them to point that not only do they not work anymore, the skills themselves have become almost completely useless.

Players: How were the skills bugged? They did exactly what the tool tip said they do.

Blizzard: The skills did exactly what they were designed to do, but we never thought you would use them in that way.

Players: But you made Inferno too difficult and you're forcing us to find absurd ways to get through it... and once we do find ways to get through it, you nerf them?

Blizzard: We want you to find ways to get through Inferno, but we didn't like the methods you did find.

Players:Okay... well then how am I supposed to get through it? If you don't like the methods that we did find, then show us a method you approve of and won't nerf.

Blizzard: We don't have one because none of us are able to get through Inferno either. However, were very confident that the best players out there will find ways to get through it... except for all the methods that you guys already found to get through Inferno... because we didn't like those... so we nerfed them.

Players: But this doesn't make any sense... every time we do find a way to get through Inferno you call it a bug and nerf it... this never ends. There are no items in the game that would allow you to survive effectively in anything past Act 1 in Inferno. Even with 60K HP, 75% damage reduction, 35% dodge, 500+ to all resists, and a shield, we get destroyed within seconds. Gear can't fix this problem so you're forcing us to find creative (aka game breaking) ways to use skills instead, and every time we do find a way, you don't like it and nerf it.

You guys got lazy and instead of designing a proper path to progression that we could take in order to eventually get through Inferno, you just made it stupidly hard expecting that players would find the solution themselves without you needing to design the game properly... but every time we do find a solution, you don't like it and you remove it from the game... if you were going to be like that then why didn't you design a method that you do like and let us do it.

Blizzard: We wanted to make Inferno challenging but we weren't really sure how to do it so we got lazy and just made it stupidly hard. We think it makes sense, and we think people will be able to get through it, even though we have no idea how. We'll likely just create some overpowered items eventually and put them up on the Real Money Auction House for you to buy.
09:50pm 24/05/12 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
5586 posts
Edit: Ok, maybe I'm wrong, I thought there was a bonus when you were in a group but a bit of googling seems to imply there isn't. Sure I read that somewhere though but I can't remember where.

I think that's a world of warcraft thing. Also; by the speed in which you kill things and find exits and ease of killing bosses and groups of random rare spawns and so on, easily outweigh the cost of losing 400 exp from killing 20 mobs in one blow every 5 minutes. Sure the first act might not.

Plus why are you playing normal? The game has been out a week and i think you can complete all of normal in one sitting (a few hours after work?).

Also if you're g rouping with friends, how doesn't the social advantage dulling the monotony of easily defeating normal be more valuable than levelling a tiny bit faster?
10:01pm 24/05/12 Permalink
dais
Brisbane, Queensland
9167 posts
We'll likely just create some overpowered items eventually and put them up on the Real Money Auction House for you to buy.


this
10:22pm 24/05/12 Permalink
Enska
Sydney, New South Wales
1770 posts
lus why are you playing normal? The game has been out a week and i think you can complete all of normal in one sitting (a few hours after work?).

Also if you're g rouping with friends, how doesn't the social advantage dulling the monotony of easily defeating normal be more valuable than levelling a tiny bit faster?


uhh, because I haven't the time between work and the launch issues? And I'm not against coop, I just enjoy a bit of solo killing and it's not like I need the help, it's normal :P
10:30pm 24/05/12 Permalink
eXemplar
Brisbane, Queensland
2751 posts
I'm guessing they're just using password lists obtained from different hacked sites. Mix those together and hammer the login server and you're bound to get a few hits.
12:40am 25/05/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19130 posts
Heh, so much crying about Inferno, people need to toughen the f*** up. WoW has probably spoilt them all with its friendly new "endgame content that everyone can do without really trying" approach. I'm glad they made it stupidly hard, even though I'm not up to it yet, I'm looking forward to it and it would be a real letdown if I could push straight through it.
01:21am 25/05/12 Permalink
Woblzz
Queensland
42 posts
its good to group up, because it will increase the amount of elite and champ mobs spawning, but i read that the mf is divided up in the group and then divided by the amount of players in the group to find an average. funner playing with more people anyway.. unless they suck... and keep dieing... and pull mobs from everywhere...wiping the group..and costing everyone a fortune >.>
01:59am 25/05/12 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
16776 posts
Plus why are you playing normal? The game has been out a week and i think you can complete all of normal in one sitting (a few hours after work?).



unless you power run through normal the first time you play it, it will take you longer than a few hours

i've played more than just a few hours but i haven't had that much time to through at it yet and i'm only in act 3
07:57am 25/05/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
6714 posts
Has anyone here had their account hacked? There's a massive thread on the official Diablo 3 forum regarding this. People who don't have authenticators are getting done even though they claim they haven't been going to dodgy sites.

clicky

I've read that a few accounts with authenticators are being hacked, but currently that is just a rumour on the forums and Blizzard have responded with no news of it. I'm more worried about the server eating my characters.
08:03am 25/05/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15182 posts
just read gamearena's review. glad someone had the balls to give it a review like that.
08:09am 25/05/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12471 posts
just read gamearena's review. glad someone had the balls to give it a review like that.

Yeh cos Blizzard send round the knee breakers if you give their game a bad review.

Epic balls, man!
08:22am 25/05/12 Permalink
Zapo
Brisbane, Queensland
2783 posts
Did you actually read the review? The review is balls, I give the review 3.5/10,

Here's the summary:

He complains the game is a bit long, and he welcomed the end of act 4 - he's managed to squeeze in 28 hours of it in 1 week.

He doesn't like the removal of Player-killing....which I call 'griefing' even though there is likely to be a PVP patch very soon (which I probably will never use.

He actually liked the free-for-all loot system and misses it. Seriously?? I would never play with randoms EVER if that was the case, especially being a ranged hero out of combat.

He didn't like the lag, I think we've talked about it enough here.

He sucks at playing a Wizard, and complains he has to kite some of the tougher baddies.

His opnion yes, but he's justification of a 6.5 is rather...interesting.
08:27am 25/05/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12472 posts
Same reviewer gave MW3 9.5?

lawls, huge balls on that one
I've read that a few with authenticates are getting hacked as well but who knows if it's real. I'm more worried about the server eating my characters.

Well, Blizzard knows ... They've posted a couple days ago that nobody with an authenticator attached has been compromised.
Despite the claims and theories being made, we have yet to find any situations in which a person's account was not compromised through traditional means of someone else logging into their account through the use of their password. While the authenticator isn't a 100% guarantee of account security, we have yet to investigate a compromise report in which an authenticator was attached beforehand.
08:30am 25/05/12 Permalink
Thundercracker
Brisbane, Queensland
3194 posts
It actually rewarding not making a bee-line for the exit. There are so many little random events and dungeons and whatnot lying around, that I'm finding so much more stuff in nightmare mode now that I've slowed down.
08:32am 25/05/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
6716 posts
Heh yeah I don't really believe half the stuff on Blizzard forums either Hog. I do however believe the server eating characters and items as my friend lost his level 8 before.
08:52am 25/05/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12473 posts
Heh yeah I don't really believe half the stuff on Blizzard forums either Hog. I do however believe the server eating characters and items as my friend lost his level 8 before.

Did he try the undelete?

Now please don't take this the wrong way, but you're a writer here now ... and it just feels like you shouldn't be posting internet rumour as 'who knows'?
08:53am 25/05/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
6717 posts
Did he try the undelete?

Now please don't take this the wrong way, but you're a writer here now ... and it just feels like you shouldn't be posting internet rumour as 'who knows'?

I actually saw that un-delete button last night, will have to investigate and hopefully he can get his character back, but luckily it was just a level 8. And yes, I shouldn't have posted it as a "who knows" instead be treated as a rumour and that is that. Blizzard have responded in regards and have said they don't have anything yet to prove players are being hacked with authenticators so rumours are just that, rumours.
09:13am 25/05/12 Permalink
Tollaz0r!
Brisbane, Queensland
12767 posts
Hoggy, that isn't admitting to the rumour of using session ID's to bust into someones account. If that rumour was true, it would certainly be fixed by now.
09:32am 25/05/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12474 posts
Hoggy, that isn't admitting to the rumour of using session ID's to bust into someones account. If that rumour was true, it would certainly be fixed by now.

I gave you lots of Rares the other night. You belong to me now.
09:54am 25/05/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19131 posts
He doesn't like the removal of Player-killing....which I call 'griefing' even though there is likely to be a PVP patch very soon (which I probably will never use.

He actually liked the free-for-all loot system and misses it. Seriously?? I would never play with randoms EVER if that was the case, especially being a ranged hero out of combat.


I can kind of see where hes coming from, but I think its purely nostalgia, and its not really fair to hold it against d3. When I think back I remember stealing other people's loot or their gold when they die, or turning on pvp and waiting outside their town portal then ganking them when they port back, and I get a laugh out of it. Then I remember term racing ahead to get all the treasure chests and steal all the loot and I'm kinda glad its changed :P

I mean from a nostalgia point of view, those mechanics provided some fun, but they also provided a healthy dose of frustration and they were obvious candidates for improvement, so its not like I hold it against d3 for doing exactly that. I spose they could have had things like that as options you could turn on and off when you started a game, but then that would have meant more development time spent on features which (realistically) only a small percentage of people would use, and it would also take away a bit from the really easy "jump straight into a game and start playing" approach they have at the moment.
09:55am 25/05/12 Permalink
Zapo
Brisbane, Queensland
2784 posts
I gave you lots of Rares the other night. You belong to me now.


It's true. Hog is like a Treasure Goblin :)
10:00am 25/05/12 Permalink
Morax
Brisbane, Queensland
2260 posts
Here's an awesome video that explains a lot of the issues with Inferno that I was talking about earlier:

10:28am 25/05/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12476 posts
"As of this video there is a barbarian stuck on act 3 with the best gear in the world"

As of yesterday multiple Barbarians completed Act4 Inferno solo.

http://i.imgur.com/iz6ml.jpg

Yes, its really f*****g hard. Yes, the content is non-linear and requires AH and lots of farming. Yes, it was an amazing achievement and this close to launch it required the support of lots of players to acqiure the needed drops for a melee class.

Its f*****g Inferno. Its doable by all classes but it will take months for most of us.
10:40am 25/05/12 Permalink
Zapo
Brisbane, Queensland
2785 posts
Interesting video. I honestly can't comment on Inferno as I'm not there yet, but I think it ultimately comes down to a decision made around the design of the game which has led to the 'loot grind' that some talk about.

Some of his comments at the start are a bit unfair though, suggesting that no one has to think in normal, and that you don't change the way you play when it gets harder....but his comments about inferno (given I haven't been there) seem to carry some weight.

Interesting.
10:46am 25/05/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12477 posts
Hmm my edits aren't showing up; when they do there are 3 links there for barbs who finished Inferno yesterday.
10:49am 25/05/12 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
6927 posts
In other news, my main now does 48dps :D
10:57am 25/05/12 Permalink
carson
Gippsland, Victoria
1506 posts
Is Inferno fun? My friend keeps saying it's more challenging than playing hardcore, but I can't imagine how. If you die, you just go back. No biggy, but you're f***ed if you die after ages in hardcore.

I lost my first hardcore char last night. Level 18 monk. I was sad. :'(
11:11am 25/05/12 Permalink
Creepy
USA
1933 posts
Complaining that a Diablo game is a loot grind, is akin to complaining that Cricket has to be played with bats and balls.
11:20am 25/05/12 Permalink
Mordecai
Victoria
1344 posts
Complaining that a Diablo game is a loot grind, is akin to complaining that Cricket has to be played with bats and balls.

Hold up there son. You use a bat and balls to play cricket? What kind of weirdo are you?
11:23am 25/05/12 Permalink
dais
Brisbane, Queensland
9171 posts
You should link to that spoilerific image instead of embedding it Hoggy.

I mean, who wants to find out that Diablo is the last boss?
11:26am 25/05/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4668 posts
From that video it seems inferno is just stupidly overtuned. Sure it should be brutal and an incredibly hard challenge but that doesn't mean 1 hit kills from any monster. Specially now with the nerfed skills which let some classes actually survive longer.
11:31am 25/05/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15183 posts

Same reviewer gave MW3 9.5?


yeah i saw that shortly after i posted. guess his review isn't as balls worthy after all.
11:36am 25/05/12 Permalink
KlonkPro
Queensland
10 posts
Honestly i found the game a bit dissapointing I mean the graphics are great, the spells are awesome and the classes are nice. but I hate how the whole game revolves around LMB and RMB.
11:37am 25/05/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12480 posts
From that video it seems inferno is just stupidly overtuned. Sure it should be brutal and an incredibly hard challenge but that doesn't mean 1 hit kills from any monster. Specially now with the nerfed skills which let some classes actually survive longer.

Sigh.

I give up, some people will never get it.
Honestly i found the game a bit dissapointing I mean the graphics are great, the spells are awesome and the classes are nice. but I hate how the whole game revolves around LMB and RMB.

Played a lot of Diablo in your time, then? :)
11:42am 25/05/12 Permalink
Creepy
USA
1934 posts
Inferno is meant to be hard. It's not meant to be beaten in the first two weeks of release, save for creative-thinking, skilled players and the odd exploit.

Inferno is meant to only really be approachable at max level with a perfect gear set and combinations of skills/runes at the right moments. It's funny that people that complain about the restrictive, dumbed-down gameplay, also complain that the game isn't beatable NAO!

It's like people forgot what Diablo's essence is all about. It was never about having 8 skills in use all the time, beating the game on all difficulty levels instantly, being smashed in Normal mode (!?).

It was about killing things, clicking your mouse button, and hoping that the next chest you loot contains that last set piece..
11:44am 25/05/12 Permalink
Raisty
Brisbane, Queensland
232 posts
It odd how in Diablo 2 most people didn't even try Hell mode, let alone the pandemonium event.

Yet this time everyones complaining because they can't walk through the equivilant of it (d3 hell mode is more akin to d2 nightmare) without spending anytime gearing/learning to play better.

11:48am 25/05/12 Permalink
Dazhel
Gold Coast, Queensland
4882 posts
but I hate how the whole game revolves around LMB and RMB.

You're probably in the wrong genre if you find that your fingers keep heading back to WASD.
11:56am 25/05/12 Permalink
Raisty
Brisbane, Queensland
233 posts
I use wasd instead of 1-4, its close to potion and hold fire :)
12:03pm 25/05/12 Permalink
unclebobsticle
Sunshine Coast, Queensland
148 posts
12:04pm 25/05/12 Permalink
MARLINBLADE
Queensland
377 posts
Man this game has me very OCD, i just have to collect every little bit of loot and explore every nook and cranny, every bookcase, every barrel... fk me for some strange reason, i'll even walk 30 seconds back the way i came to pick up 3 gold... lol, i just CAN'T leave stuff behind... i almost busted a nut in my pants when i got the town portal... omg omg, sell all that phat loots for 2 gold, fk yeah, i'm rolling large now BOY!!
12:11pm 25/05/12 Permalink
Jim
UK
12907 posts
It odd how in Diablo 2 most people didn't even try Hell mode, let alone the pandemonium event.

Yet this time everyones complaining because they can't walk through the equivilant of it (d3 hell mode is more akin to d2 nightmare) without spending anytime gearing/learning to play better.


yeh wow came out in the meantime
12:11pm 25/05/12 Permalink
Creepy
USA
1935 posts
Heh, I used WASD in Diablo 2, but for entirely different reasons.
12:12pm 25/05/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19134 posts
Its really not worth your time to pick up white/grey items, but yeah, I can empathise with the OCD exploring, I have explore every single bit of every map cos what if they one corner I left unexplored is the corner with a treasure chest that contains legendaries!
12:16pm 25/05/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12481 posts
I use a 'Move' button in d3 a lot to avoid click-attacking s*** when the screen is full of hitboxes.

Its in your options, takes a while to get used to but is worth it imo.
12:16pm 25/05/12 Permalink
Creepy
USA
1936 posts
I'm more used to the opposite - holding down shift for controlled lockdown of movement.

Hey has anyone noticed how f***ed up your brain is switching back to an MMO like WoW after a lengthy D3 session, in terms of movement? :)
12:21pm 25/05/12 Permalink
Thundercracker
Brisbane, Queensland
3195 posts
There is an option to only pickup loot when you hold alt. Might be handy for those massive hordes where you spend more time accidentally picking up loot instead of killing things.

Anyone enabled this? Good/bad?
12:30pm 25/05/12 Permalink
Mordecai
Victoria
1345 posts
I'm more used to the opposite - holding down shift for controlled lockdown of movement.

Hey has anyone noticed how f***ed up your brain is switching back to an MMO like WoW after a lengthy D3 session, in terms of movement? :)

Changed up 'don't move' to the space bar from the shift key. Works easier with my thumb being on there anyway.
12:36pm 25/05/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12484 posts
Changed up 'don't move' to the space bar from the shift key. Works easier with my thumb being on there anyway.

Heh my 'Move for f**** sake and DO NOT STOP' button is the space bar :)
12:36pm 25/05/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4669 posts
Sigh. I give up, some people will never get it.

I was in a stream of a DH on act 3 inferno about an hour ago and he was doing well and only died once because he was showing us his skills. Right now though since i'm only on Act 2 hell I shouldn't really claim something is overtuned when I havn't even tried it.

EDIT - And since I copied what he is using it's really made things easy for me in hell too.

last edited by DM at 12:42:56 25/May/12
12:40pm 25/05/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12485 posts
I don't get how it can be overtuned when 'tuned' means:

- Most people will only get through it after month(s) of gameplay
- Most people can't get through it after a week or 2
- Most will never kill Diablo Inferno
- Some really awesome people can get through it after a couple of weeks

I don't want them to dumb it down or make it easier and get some sort of softc***, watered-down achievement in a month or two's time, like Congratulations! You have Beaten Diablo Inferno!*

If I stick it out and get it done then I want the rijidij version thanks. I really liked the idea of a Diablo so f*****g mind breakingly brutal that only a small subset would stick it out and get it done.

* Inferno now sucks. Everyone has this achievement. lawls.
12:47pm 25/05/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4670 posts
All the more reason to finish hell fast and start clearing inferno before the inevitable nerf bomb drops. I'm aiming for at least half way into act 3 today.
12:50pm 25/05/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12487 posts
Shut up I'm working!
12:51pm 25/05/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
6721 posts
I use a 'Move' button in d3 a lot to avoid click-attacking s*** when the screen is full of hitboxes.

Its in your options, takes a while to get used to but is worth it imo.

Yeah I assigned that key to X, works a treat for just moving without clicking as it just follows the mouse pointer.
12:53pm 25/05/12 Permalink
Zapo
Brisbane, Queensland
2786 posts
inevitable nerf bomb drops


I don't see this happening. Haven't they just put hotfixes in to change some skills that were making it too easy!?
12:53pm 25/05/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4671 posts
Hopefully no lag for you tonight so we can slog it out for awhile.
12:55pm 25/05/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12488 posts
Hopefully a BIG PILE OF MONEY IN THE MAIL for me too!
12:59pm 25/05/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4672 posts
I've played this game so much and yet even now i'm still finding areas i've never seen before. Just now in the later part of Act 2 where you have to find the blood, I killed his huge worm and he left a hole I could go into so now i'm exploring the cave of borrowing horror.
01:19pm 25/05/12 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
6929 posts
Hey, Ausgamers gotta pay the bills somehow! :D

... okay, I'll be going now.
01:23pm 25/05/12 Permalink
Tollaz0r!
Brisbane, Queensland
12772 posts
I got that first round through. I figured it was a bit of a Star Wars reference.
01:23pm 25/05/12 Permalink
Raisty
Brisbane, Queensland
234 posts
More hot fixes incoming, this time purely for wizard


Upcoming Hotfixes 5/24/2012
Wizard Critical Mass (Passive)
Fixed an issue with certain powers that had a higher than intended chance to trigger Critical Mass
01:54pm 25/05/12 Permalink
d^
Melbourne, Victoria
990 posts
Edit.
02:09pm 25/05/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15185 posts
I don't see this happening. Haven't they just put hotfixes in to change some skills that were making it too easy!?


is that not the very definition of nerfing?
02:15pm 25/05/12 Permalink
Scooter
Brisbane, Queensland
5879 posts
Nerfed the player, Hog is worried about them nerfing the Mobs.
02:20pm 25/05/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4673 posts
I just ran into a f*****g horrible combination of elites. Worst i've come across so far. They were those birds that hover around in the air, only they were Horde, Molten, Wallers. So as they flew around they dropped lava, could wall me in and had like 15 minions.
02:29pm 25/05/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4674 posts
Got an upgrade weapon for you hog. Don't buy one when you get home.
03:34pm 25/05/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12492 posts
Got an upgrade weapon for you hog. Don't buy one when you get home.

F*** this s*** then, time to go home!
03:38pm 25/05/12 Permalink
Raisty
Brisbane, Queensland
235 posts
Got an upgrade weapon for you hog. Don't buy one when you get home.


If you have less than a 400dps hand xbow I probably have an upgrade for you :)
03:40pm 25/05/12 Permalink
DoCZero
Melbourne, Victoria
131 posts
Hmmm has anyone tried a tunnel to sort out the ping? Something like battleping or lowerping?

Latency issues suck in harder difficulties.
03:53pm 25/05/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4675 posts
I have a 427 dps crossbow so i'm good thanks raisty. Next weapon I buy will be an inferno one.
03:56pm 25/05/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12493 posts
Hmmm has anyone tried a tunnel to sort out the ping? Something like battleping or lowerping?

Latency issues suck in harder difficulties.

Yeh tic gave it a go, the tunnel, it does nothinkkk
04:03pm 25/05/12 Permalink
DoCZero
Melbourne, Victoria
132 posts
it does nothinkkk


hahhah demmit! Aww well, I guess i'll have to pray to the blizzard gods for an AU server - and just :) and bare it.
04:05pm 25/05/12 Permalink
Mephz
Brisbane, Queensland
1051 posts
I lost my first hardcore char last night. Level 18 monk. I was sad. :'(
Haha, I just lost my level 18 monk HC as well.

Some stupid demon things popped out of the ground around me just as I did either holy Light or Whirlwind kick, the little bastards explode on impact and instagibbed me in one hit :( totally unavoidable which sucked.

I was smashing everything up to that point too.
04:35pm 25/05/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19136 posts
I got that first round through. I figured it was a bit of a Star Wars reference.


It was a dune reference I think, cos the worm was called "The Great Maker" or something like that

The really ninja achievement is going to be Diablo down in Inferno, on Hardcore mode. Wonder how long it'll be till someone manages that.
04:44pm 25/05/12 Permalink
dais
Brisbane, Queensland
9172 posts
I guess i'll have to pray to the blizzard gods for an AU server


As praying does nothing, I decided to start an online petition! Let's hope it doesn't do nothing.

http://www.change.org/petitions/australian-oceanic-battle-net-server-we-want-blizzard-to-give-oceanic-players-of-their-games-a-decent-server

You can sign it with your facebook account, easy peasy.



04:48pm 25/05/12 Permalink
DoCZero
Melbourne, Victoria
133 posts
Hmmm reducethelag.com has a 30 day free trial for tunnel .. see how that goes for 30 days , they say they have D3 support. ... ... hopefully lower ping - here I come (will update later lol)
04:52pm 25/05/12 Permalink
carson
Gippsland, Victoria
1507 posts
Haha, I just lost my level 18 monk HC as well.

Some stupid demon things popped out of the ground around me just as I did either holy Light or Whirlwind kick, the little bastards explode on impact and instagibbed me in one hit :( totally unavoidable which sucked.

I was smashing everything up to that point too.

Yeah, I ran the wrong way in a mini-boss fight and ended up f*****g myself. BUT I HAVE NO REGRETS.

Almost up to the same area again anyway. I'd be more upset if it was in Nightmare + levels.

The really ninja achievement is going to be Diablo down in Inferno, on Hardcore mode. Wonder how long it'll be till someone manages that.

I don't think i want to play inferno mode with any of my HC chars.
05:02pm 25/05/12 Permalink
Strik3r
Brisbane, Queensland
2071 posts
Sigh. No one else having troubles with friends list ??

I thought maybe I just got unlucky and it was a once off wipe, so I started re-adding a few people last night. Login today and they are all gone again. Fkn annoying.
06:01pm 25/05/12 Permalink
Enska
Sydney, New South Wales
1774 posts
How the f*** did that ad weasel its way in trog? Bit gay to be promoting such s***.
06:23pm 25/05/12 Permalink
DoCZero
Melbourne, Victoria
134 posts
err if your commenting on what I said - I've got nothing to do with that company, nor do I know if its good or s***. I just want a better ping when I vs diablo. tis all. *shrug* figured someone may benefit from it (i've got 400ms pings as standard).
07:03pm 25/05/12 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
5594 posts
I don't get how it can be overtuned when 'tuned' means:

- Most people will only get through it after month(s) of gameplay
Define moths please? I know several people cracking the 80 hour mark. That's full time work for 2 weeks at any normal job, and they're doing that within just a single week. Many other people play other games with that 100 hours over completing 3 games in 3 months. So defined hours is better than an elaborate "months".
- Most people can't get through it after a week or 2
As above
- Most will never kill Diablo Inferno


I'm just curious as to what ammount of hundreds of wipings between each boss on random uncommon and rare spawn mobs is 'tuned' in your eyes. 100? 200? I was speaking to raamon and he wiped at least every couple of minutes and commonly every 30 seconds. :P

He took off a week of work to reach inferno and has played over 140 hours since launch. I'm not sure of the exact number.

Im not even past hell and i've put in:

Barbarian: 53 hours
Demon hunter: 2 hours 20minutes
Monk: 9 hours 11 minutes
Witch doctor: 30 hours 36 minutes
Wizard: 3 hours 20 minutes
Total: 98 hours.

I'm not even in inferno. Hell is hard enough (which is why i've spent so much time on levelling other characters like the WD and Monk).

But on my barb alone, how many more "months" should I be playing him before i should expect to beat diablo in inferno? 200 hours? 4 weeks worth of fulltime work?
12:57am 26/05/12 Permalink
Strik3r
Brisbane, Queensland
2072 posts
I'm just curious as to what ammount of hundreds of wipings between each boss on random uncommon and rare spawn mobs is 'tuned' in your eyes. 100? 200? I was speaking to raamon and he wiped at least every couple of minutes and commonly every 30 seconds. :P


Typical Jerds.. Running in and dying..

What a blbk'er.
01:05am 26/05/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12494 posts
But on my barb alone, how many more "months" should I be playing him before i should expect to beat diablo in inferno? 200 hours? 4 weeks worth of fulltime work?

Its really hard to tell. Items are immortal (no binding) so as more people move into Inferno the drops shoudl become more common.
01:07am 26/05/12 Permalink
Creepy
USA
1937 posts
But on my barb alone, how many more "months" should I be playing him before i should expect to beat diablo in inferno? 200 hours? 4 weeks worth of fulltime work?

Probably. Diablo games have no finite end (unless getting all the achievement points before the PvP patch is the yardstick). Not sure why there's an issue to over winning Inferno 'quickly.'

Being able to do this in a timely fashion, would probably take away an element of replayability. I think the designers had intended for Inferno difficulty to take several months (hours combined) to fully master Inferno completion, again as I said earlier, with max level characters equipped with the right setup of stats/resistances and using the best combination of skills/runes for each encounter (trash/elites/bosses).

If the notion is that you only want to play D3 for as long as it takes to kill Diablo in Inferno difficulty, and then uninstall the game, you're doing it wrong. :)

On the subject of pings/latency/etc - I would not bother with VPNs/tunneling, nor petitioning for a local server. The issues are global - I'm in the same state as the damn datacenter hosting D3, and I have the exact same issues you do. Conversely, many of you may recall the performance of the game during the Beta - higher ping, but smooth (non-rubberbanding) gameplay. That's how it's meant to be. There's allegedly a client patch coming next week to help resolve some of those issues. I would expect things to settle down over the next couple of weeks, through patches and rage-quit attrition.
01:09am 26/05/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12495 posts
But on my barb alone, how many more "months" should I be playing him before i should expect to beat diablo in inferno? 200 hours? 4 weeks worth of fulltime work?

After your edit, go play wow, you're having a great big sook you'll fit in well.
01:21am 26/05/12 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
5595 posts
Its really hard to tell. Items are immortal (no binding) so as more people move into Inferno the drops shoudl become more common.

Yeah that's for sure, but already those things are dropping and being distributed amongst the highest of tier players who have put in over 200 hours and have the gold to throw at the missing pieces plus have farming kits designed around trying to find them.

So while it will grow exponentially, right now because the number of items are not that out of proportion to the population who needs them. And as far as final game ending items, the ones you finish with, they don't become as common as the ones intermediate, as the intermediate get worn for x number of hours and then passed back, which means they circulate in the economy, where as a propper endgame item will be pulled out either forever or at least a very long time.

It could be used to demonstrate a real world economy except of items instead of cash but that's irrelevant.

edit:
Why the personal attack hog? You don't like having an intellectual debate of ideology? I'm putting forward ideas i'm not sure you have considered because you've not expressed them here. If you have thought of them you can reply to what i've said with your ideas about them, or consider what i've said and reply.

But calling someone a sook and telling them to go to wow is, well, i don't know what that is. QGL i suppose in a nutshell?

Second edit: some grammar issues i suppose, also i'm pretty sure i didn't edit that post it's pretty much there in it's raw form. I normally type edit.
01:26am 26/05/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19137 posts
I would say it should take approximately 9.2 weeks
01:30am 26/05/12 Permalink
Creepy
USA
1938 posts
I wouldn't call someone a sook. I'd say they're suffering long-term memory loss. I really don't recall people bemoaning the fact they couldn't clear Hell mode in Diablo 2 within the first two weeks of release, back in June of 2000. Possibly because people had yet to work out the right configuration/allocation of stat points and talent points (in the right trees). Remember when, if you messed up early in the game and then wanted to take on a harder mode, it was a case of "GG. Reroll!" ?

Actually, I remember D2 being rather restrictive in a number of respects when it first shipped. Even right down to a now-familiar complaint of "the vendors sell useless, lower level junk" (which was fixed in a subsequent patch, and then redone again with the LOD expansion).
01:41am 26/05/12 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
5597 posts
Sure creepy, but i'm not one who subscribes so much to the 'well last time you had to wait while we experimented to figure out what was wrong, so this time you will have to wait again' when they're making mistakes they fixed with the last game.

I'm not trying to have a winge or anything, i'm not even affected by the problems i'm discussing. I just know it's hard because hell is, literally its namesake. And i've watched some inferno and it's purely wipes with small progression.

But if the game developers designed the game to be beat, within the construct of the mechanics inside the game currently, how long do they theorise it to take versus what does the community think? I know there's some frustrated people out there and i wonder if they're frustrated because they can't even see the light at the end of the tunnel.

There's always fanatics on both sides of the fence and i just wonder what they think the game goals should be and does that align with other peoples expectations of the games goals. is 200 hours enough? Probably not for some, some think back to 400+ hours of LOD over 4 years. Perhaps some expect 100 hours like perhaps a less replayable game takes to 100%.

I don't really care at this point my goal is to finish hell and do some achievement hunting, get most of my classes to 60 and then if im still enjoying the game struggle propperly into inferno when hopefully, like hog said, when the items become more common.
01:57am 26/05/12 Permalink
Superform
Netherlands
7416 posts
just got into act II inferno.. f*** its hard lol
10:18am 26/05/12 Permalink
dangles
Queensland
3123 posts
yeah act II inferno is a big step up from act 1
11:45am 26/05/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
6739 posts
I think Act 1 was intended to be a tutorial for all difficulties, a kind of "hey, this easy but use it as a test".
11:53am 26/05/12 Permalink
Fade2Black
Brisbane, Queensland
5043 posts
I'm just starting act 2 Hell, that's hard enough for my liking at level 54.
02:28pm 26/05/12 Permalink
csirac
Brisbane, Queensland
2658 posts
hot off the presses

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2012/05/blizzard-delays-diablo-iii-real-money-auctions-indefinitely/

RMAH postponed until blizzard sorts out security issues.
02:53pm 26/05/12 Permalink
defi
Wynnum, Queensland
2884 posts
I'm in act 1 inferno as well. Clearing easy as. Can't wait for act 2. Need to bump my hp up, but I have some good play styles now and I'm destroying s*** easy
03:03pm 26/05/12 Permalink
deeper
Brisbane, Queensland
4058 posts
be interesting to see what you think of actII inferno defi, get pumped! :)
03:58pm 26/05/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4676 posts
Well my Demon Hunter hit 60 yesterday and got into Inferno today. Killed the skeleton king no problem. I don't know what people are talking about when they say smoke screen sucks. I can't imagine soloing Inferno without it. Sure it doesn't last 3 seconds but the 1.5 you get from it saves your life. See the skeleton king wind up for his teleporting swing? *Poof* smoke screen and I take 0 damage from it. Not to mention breaking out of every type of CC there is and being immune to damage when you get stuck on lava or plague ground. Though they added a 2 sec CD to it last night it seems which isn't that bad.
05:11pm 26/05/12 Permalink
Reverend Evil™
Wynnum, Queensland
20502 posts
Hmmm reducethelag.com has a 30 day free trial for tunnel .. see how that goes for 30 days , they say they have D3 support. ... ... hopefully lower ping

I use them for WoW and it's awesome. I would prolly stop playing if my ping was more than 200 after using RTL. If it's the same deal, $25 for a year, then it's totally worth it. Just install and you don't even know it's running.
05:24pm 26/05/12 Permalink
Crakaveli
USA
6111 posts
itt hogfather defends diablo 3 likes its his child.
05:36pm 26/05/12 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
16784 posts
just going to say, i f*****g loved the bit at the end of act 3, the twist 1 might say

i was like F*** YEAH TAKE THAT B****

but tbh i dont really like the adria character at all, i dont like how they changed adria from being an old woman in diablo to a young chick
07:05pm 26/05/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
6747 posts
just going to say, i f*****g loved the bit at the end of act 3, the twist 1 might say

i was like F*** YEAH TAKE THAT B****

but tbh i dont really like the adria character at all, i dont like how they changed adria from being an old woman in diablo to a young chick

Spoiler:
It was a bit saddening seeing Adria turn on the group, but I guess that comes down to having a baby with Diablo.
07:29pm 26/05/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4677 posts
Bit I didn't like was Spoiler:
Zoltan Khuul betraying you the second he gets his body back. Like wow, I sure didn't see that f*****g coming. The writers couldn't find a better use for him than to be a boss right after you spend half the game reviving him? Also introducing leah just to kill her off?
Lazy writers are lazy. I suspect they have plans for an expansion though fixing that later problem though.

last edited by DM at 20:18:55 26/May/12
08:17pm 26/05/12 Permalink
Reverend Evil™
Wynnum, Queensland
20503 posts
Yeah. I wasn't too happy about what happened to Leah. She was a babe.
08:19pm 26/05/12 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
7999 posts
Does anyone else out there just not give a total crap about game story lines? It's all so cheesy and predictable that game story lines lost any sense of engagement about a decade ago.
08:20pm 26/05/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
6749 posts
Does anyone else out there just not give a total crap about game story lines? It's all so cheesy and predictable that game story lines lost any sense of engagement about a decade ago.

That is true, the gameplay does override in this circumstance, but it just would of been nice to have a less cheesy story then, well a cheese pizza.
08:23pm 26/05/12 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
16785 posts
yeah diablo 1 and 2 had better stories

so what are you guys doing with all the blue items you pick up that arent worth selling on the auction house?

are you salvaging them or just selling them for gold? i have kept salvaging for a while without even thinking about it, but i have basically made the decision to not bother with crafting and to keep my cash for the auction house. i guess i just answered my own question lol
08:25pm 26/05/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4678 posts
I didn't like that things are explained TOO much in the in-game cutscenes. They flat out explain things like they are talking to 10 year olds, telling everyone near them where they are going and what their plans are. Stupid and it leaves nothing to suspense like it being a genuine surprise when the next act kicks in.

As for items I just vendor everything not good enough for the AH (what DH will buy an int/str quiver?). I stopped upgrading the blacksmith and gem guy too and have over a million just from doing that. Inferno items are another matter though. Think it's better to see what their essences go for on the AH and if the item is worth less than that, break it. If it's more, vendor it.
08:32pm 26/05/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
6750 posts
I salvage or sell for gold, just depends on my mood and if I'm in need of ingredients for equipment, though I haven't bothered levelling up my blacksmith in a while now as I just use the AH for appropriate gear.
08:37pm 26/05/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4679 posts
BS is useless really since you can get the gear you want for cheaper on the AH. There is over 150 BS patterns you can find (achivement for it so there must be) and yet I have found 1 in like 100 hours of game play. They seem to be all legendary status so they never drop and therefore BS is s***e and a moneysink for nothing. Until they change it so patterns are at least yellow then don't bother.
08:39pm 26/05/12 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
8000 posts
I think I'm going to start vendoring items instead of salvaging them to get my coin stash up. I was co-op with Khel last night and went a bit nuts on the BS upgrades and suddenly had 377 gold left .. :(

Also, first time I've logged in this week and "Breaking News" doesn't mention a server restart!
08:42pm 26/05/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15191 posts
well finally downloading the starter edition. i didn't think it would be 8gb though since it ends at the skeleton king.

i'm looking forward to lag, maintenance and the number 3007 brought you you by the letter 'd' for DRM.
09:22pm 26/05/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12497 posts
itt hogfather defends diablo 3 likes its his child.

It is my child, what's your f*****g point.
09:29pm 26/05/12 Permalink
d^
Melbourne, Victoria
992 posts
Where's the cheapest place to buy it?
10:06pm 26/05/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
6752 posts
JB HiFi, or Ozsave if you want digital. Both have it for $59.
10:09pm 26/05/12 Permalink
dais
Brisbane, Queensland
9174 posts
My box order from ozsave, which I made before release, has not arrived yet. They didn't respond to my last e-mail either :[
10:13pm 26/05/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4680 posts
So after unlocking inferno, I found someone in Act 4 who is at diablo. I joined his game and logged out right away. After resuming game it puts me back in Act 4, at the Great Span bridge. I put on a full set of magic find gear and have spent the past while farming the weapon racks that spawn. Quitting the game and going back in resets them. I found this bad boy so far.

http://i.imgur.com/o5DDA.jpg

last edited by DM at 23:28:12 26/May/12
11:26pm 26/05/12 Permalink
Outlaw
Gold Coast, Queensland
2082 posts
My box order from ozsave, which I made before release, has not arrived yet. They didn't respond to my last e-mail either :[


Yeah. Ozsave looks dodgee, the website has no useful information and the facebook page is riddled with complaints.


Due to post limiting, you can only post 1 message every 600 seconds. You will be able to post again in 113 seconds.


ffs jesus christ
12:10am 27/05/12 Permalink
dais
Brisbane, Queensland
9175 posts
Yeah I am regretting not just getting a CD key. Their Facebook page says to message them on there so I've done that. Fingers crossed.
12:18am 27/05/12 Permalink
tHeBoRg
Gippsland, Victoria
69 posts
Yeah. I wasn't too happy about what happened to Leah. She was a babe.


In the making of DVD with the collectors edtion it is mentioned that they are not done with Leah and that she might be the focus of an expansion.
01:13am 27/05/12 Permalink
Python
Sydney, New South Wales
1504 posts
01:15am 27/05/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4681 posts
Damn that Baliel story was 100x better than the one in-game. Why can this man think up a better, more suitable storyline for those 2 in 20 minutes?
01:47am 27/05/12 Permalink
reload!
Brisbane, Queensland
6765 posts
lol was such a surprise when adria turned. epic twist............................................ :/
story was so balls in this
still loving the game when there's no lag though.
01:48am 27/05/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19140 posts
I actually find the supplementary stuff, like the books you find and the journals and stuff, and the optional conversations like the ones with your companions and the jeweler and stuff, to be better than the main storyline. The templar's story especially is pretty cool, and Shen (the jeweler) is a pretty interesting character too.

Two places that really stand out for me as particularly bad writing are in Act 1, when you go to that town and go into the basement and Magdha appears and is like "Haha! While you were here I stole all the pieces of the sword and kidnapped all your friends and you'll never stop me now because I'm back in town waiting inside Deckard Cain's house for you to arrive!" That was so painfully bad that bit it almost felt like a parody.

And the other bit is at the end of Act 2, where you turn up in throne room and the kid emperor says something and your hero is like "Aha! I think not... BELIAL!" and the kid is like "Oh damn, you figured it out". And I was like, what the f***? When exactly did my character figure that out? Like just before that you talk to the kid emperor when you're doing the Zoltan Kule stuff and hes like "I know who belial is now" and your character is like "Oh good, its time to kick Belial's ass" and shows absolutely no inkling of knowing that the kid emperor is actually Belial (even though its painfully obvious to us due to the hamfisted story delivery). And then suddenly, you turn up and know hes Belial? I seriously thought I had skipped some content or missed the bit where my character figures out who Belial is, but after playing through it again on nightmare I realised nope, just horribly written.
02:57am 27/05/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19141 posts
Just read that thread Pyth posted, that story is interesting but it would have made for a s*** diablo game. I don't want to end the act with no boss fight and some meaningful introspection about how I killed a kid, and then having to decide whether to kill innocent guards or not, that s*** belongs in proper RPGs not in Diablo. Diablo is about killing stuff and catching the loot as it sprays out, gotta end the Act with a big boss fight. I reckon the Belial and Azmodan fights themselves were f*****g awesome and lots of fun, I disagree with the guy saying the bosses aren't memorable, I think those fights make them very memorable.
03:09am 27/05/12 Permalink
IVY_MiKe
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory
1027 posts
I'm a:
54 Barbarian
45 Witchdoctor
20 Monk
18 demon hunter (i think)
15 wizard


jesus f*** Skythra, you're playin Diablo 3 like it's a f***** JOB!
04:43am 27/05/12 Permalink
Clubby
Brisbane, Queensland
848 posts
Loving D3 atm.

Grinded out the staff for Whimsyshire but now need gold to get the better versions >_< ... got the nightmare version but need 500k for the upgrade to hell and then another 1m for the upgrade to inferno.

Playing lvl 60 WD at the moment but leveling a Barb now also. The AH is still crazy priced although I can't wait to get one of those blues with a 1200+ top end! ... pew pew!
08:03am 27/05/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
6754 posts
Outlaw I ordered from Ozsave but got a CD Key instead, was perfectly fine, no delays etc. There were a heap of people complaining about not getting their CD Key however they were actually just complaining because they weren't getting it straight away in the morning. I believe the guys who run the site actually got all CD Keys done before 5pm.
In the making of DVD with the collectors edtion it is mentioned that they are not done with Leah and that she might be the focus of an expansion.
I could seem them doing a Illidan and being all "lol jokes she ain't dead bring her back". Seems to be the way Metzen does his storylines.
10:12am 27/05/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12499 posts
OK since I'm sober I figured it might be worthwhile pointing something out. D3 is a great game but it has flaws, I just don't think the sorts of s*** that people are whining about count. Of course Inferno is really f*****g hard lol.

In case you're interested, here's my primary whinge about d3:

The entire champion affix system is a bit of a letdown for me. When I saw the trees with their poison mechanic outside in Act 1 I had high hopes.

As you level though, these sorts of mob type specific abilities are quite rare, but in EVERY case they are f*****g memorable. Case in point, the bees. Oh god, the bees.

Anyway I would like the affixes to be more mob specific. So rather than 'Arcane' (which is appropriate for casters) a zombie might have an 'Infection' affix that causes dead players and NPCs to rise as a new minion. A spider boss might have a chance to be a 'Queen' which would continually spawn small spiders with a nsasty attack but low hp (making AE very important for the encounter). Some affixes would be global to all types, s*** like Extra Health etc.

Instead we have a homogenised system that aside from adding difficulty (which is does well) means that the actual base mob type usually doesn't matter (only the combination of affixes) which detracts from the world a bit.
10:57am 27/05/12 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
5598 posts
jesus f*** Skythra, you're playin Diablo 3 like it's a f***** JOB!

*At my job with my boss :) Then at home, with my friends. Then at home when i'm alone too.

Im in a massive saving spree right now as i'm going to japan in just under 2 weeks so 70 dollars on diablo has entertained me instead of going out and getting drunk with friends playing with them online again. I tend to spend more than 100 dollars a night (food drink transport). So i see it as a good thing, plus there is a huge hiatus of diablo3 for when i go to japan so i don't get 100% burned out :D
And I was like, what the f***? When exactly did my character figure that out?
I think y our character, when you ask questions of the little king would easily figure it out; here's his story for teleportation as a human

"Oh i saw someone use an amulet, so i stole it and used it to come here".

But honestly i think it was that line in the underwater passage where the dialogue about adria being alive and your character says "Things aren't always as they seem".

That and belial is the lord of lies, and the king doesn't give a straight answer once. The whole thing was 100% lie. Nothing of it could be true. That kind of behaviour suits maybe a demonlord rather than a king.

Also in the sewers they have that dialogue about "Cain said that you need only look at the foundations of a city to reveal it's true nature" and your character says something like "So it's infested with demons" "yes".

Edit: My biggest story "what the hell?" was when the guy implies you're a nephlehem (spelling??) and then suddenly you're proven as a nephlehem. And your character isn't like "what is that" and it's not till you read the books that it's half demon half angel offspring.

I mean kahn or whatever, was trying to appeal to you as one of his kin and im like "i don't know what that even means".
11:27am 27/05/12 Permalink
Tollaz0r!
Brisbane, Queensland
12773 posts
My main gripe with the game is that it seems totally built to grind as much money as possible out of people using the real money AH. Blizzard get a cut of every transaction right?

It just seems like a giant money making engine, built from the tears of an ultra hard inferno mode.
11:49am 27/05/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15193 posts
For Equipment (weapons, armor, accessories, and other unique items)


Transaction Fee (Gold Auction House): 15% of final sale price
Transaction Fee (Real-Money Auction House): $1.00 USD per item / $1.00 AUD per item
Transfer Fee (when sending proceeds to PayPal or other authorized payment-service provider): 15% of amount being transferred


For Commodities (gems, materials, dyes, pages, recipes, and other non-unique items)

Transaction Fee (Gold Auction House): 15% of final sale price
Transaction Fee (Real-Money Auction House): 15% of final sale price
Transfer Fee (when sending proceeds to PayPal or other authorized payment-service provider): 15% of amount being transferred

12:51pm 27/05/12 Permalink
Python
Sydney, New South Wales
1505 posts
Blizzard going all Apple on everyone
12:57pm 27/05/12 Permalink
parabol
Brisbane, Queensland
7009 posts
Just wondering if anyone is planning to use the Real-money Auction house?

I wouldn't entertain the thought for a second, and it seriously blows my mind that people are looking forward to continually buy/trade in-game items with actual money after the upfront cost of purchasing the game.

I know that the value of any object (whether real or virtual) varies between people, but at the end of the day what are you handing money over for? Are you paying for the time gone into modeling/skinning/coding the item? Most of the items in the game are randomly generated from templates in under a microsecond. How do people justify (to themselves) handing over extra real money for individual arbitrary and artificial items like that?

Is it more a case of people gaming so much that their happiness in the game is linked with their overall happiness and in-game purchases seem like a good investment? Actually having interacted with friends who play WoW and seeing them repeatedly turn down drinks/movies/real-life-activities to stay at home for a raid, this might be the answer.
01:50pm 27/05/12 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
8003 posts
I won't buy off it and knowing my luck I won't ever get an item worth selling on it.

My current frustration with D3 is lag related. My monk takes a smidgen of time to get moving and by the time I notice "bad s***" on the ground it's just a lucky roll of the dice if I make it out in time. I had 2 packs of elites on top of each other, one doing arcane sentry thing, the other doing warp/teleport and a ring of fire on the ground. Took forever to kill it just because I kept dying after I'd clicked away :(
01:56pm 27/05/12 Permalink
Thundercracker
Brisbane, Queensland
3196 posts
For some reason I find I often rubberband back into plague/desecrate areas. Maybe it's more noticeable when I do because is pwns me, but sweet jesus it's frustrating.

edit: also the AH is eating my monies and not sending my items :/ This is probably why they have delayed the RMAH with bugs like this.
02:27pm 27/05/12 Permalink
parabol
Brisbane, Queensland
7010 posts
edit: also the AH is eating my monies and not sending my items :/

Yep, just did my first AH purchase and my item shows up in transactions but nowhere to be found. Also can't send gold to the stash. Just read the battle.net forums and heaps of people have been complaining about this occurring over the last couple of hours.

I seriously feel like a beta-tester for this game.
02:55pm 27/05/12 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
5602 posts
Losing a dollar in the AH per transaction on one end implies that you have to be selling your gear at good prices, $10+ dollars to really see something other than pennies after you've sold an item. Then again, losing 15% of the remaining?

So i bank $10 of my dollars into Diablo3. Of which, $8 might go to a player, and $2 will go to blizzard if i bought a $10 item. (and that's being generous with rounding to whole dollars).
02:59pm 27/05/12 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
16798 posts
I PLAN TO MAKE A LIVING FROM HIS GAME - HOW AM I GOING TO MAKE A LIVING IF YOU TAKE IT ALL TAKE IT ALL?!?!?!

03:13pm 27/05/12 Permalink
Tollaz0r!
Brisbane, Queensland
12774 posts
Keep in mind this sort of AH wouldn't work anywhere near as well if inferno can be beaten with stock drop items early on. It is in Blizzards best interests to make sure as few people as possible complete inferno before the real money AH goes live. They must be spewing they have had to delay it, at least they have PVP to give the RMAH a kick along.
03:22pm 27/05/12 Permalink
parabol
Brisbane, Queensland
7011 posts
03:31pm 27/05/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15194 posts
i keep getting some data validation failure whenever i try to play the starter edition.
04:13pm 27/05/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15195 posts
bah looks like i might have to uninstall and reinstall it again. what a load of s***.
04:27pm 27/05/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4682 posts
Lost 600k when I bought a crossbow that never arrived. Hope I get the money or the item when it's back up and fixed
04:29pm 27/05/12 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
8004 posts
My AH problems are the same as above but eventually the items/gold show up.
04:33pm 27/05/12 Permalink
shad
Brisbane, Queensland
3727 posts
Sometimes I feel like the Diablo 3 developers just like to f*** with you. Almost guaranteed the goblin with the money sack will be right next to an elite pack. I thought I would give it a shot anyway just then. Sure enough, elite pack that fear on hit.
04:58pm 27/05/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
6758 posts
Yay a 1000 posts, this is now larger then the Battlefield 3 thread. I seem to have mis-bought a cloak for my Demon Hunter even though I clicked the one below, how odd...
05:12pm 27/05/12 Permalink
Mephz
Brisbane, Queensland
1054 posts
I almost have the cow level staff completed rawr!
Anybody else done the cow level yet? getting the Gibbering Gemstone is... D:

RNG dungeon, then RNG mob to spawn then RNG drop on top of that.
And the spawn rate is not very good for the Chilltara mob to spawn D:
Took me a few hours of just repeating the dungeon to finally get it.
05:37pm 27/05/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19142 posts
but at the end of the day what are you handing money over for?


The time they would otherwise have to spend to farm the item themselves. I don't have plans to use the RMAH, but if there was some item on there I desperately needed and it cost like $5 or something, or the alternative was to spend hours and hours and hours and hours of my time farming it myself, I'd probably pay the $5.

Anybody else done the cow level yet?


Yeah, I got it the other night, gibbering gemstone was definitely the most annoying bit to get. I haven't beaten nightmare yet, so I can't upgrade it to the nightmare version yet, but that costs another 200k so I might need to save a bit cos I only have 100k atm..
05:40pm 27/05/12 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
5604 posts
That's what i came to the conclusion when I played wow, instead of grinding the gold in preparation for raid nights where you'd have to go buy all kinds of elixirs potions and food, as well as the raw cost of repairs, I bought gold because I had a job. But i don't quite have the same connection with diablo 3, i don't have 39 other players relying on me not to be the lowest common denominator.

Yeah, I got it the other night, gibbering gemstone was definitely the most annoying bit to get. I haven't beaten nightmare yet, so I can't upgrade it to the nightmare version yet, but that costs another 200k so I might need to save a bit cos I only have 100k atm..
Yeah, been there a couple of times now, it's bright. Like as in, if you're playing diablo3 in a dark room at night you go there and you feel like you should wear shades and throw up rainbows. Pushing to finish hell on my witchdoctor now so i can do the Hell version of it. Having already done normal and nightmare.
05:43pm 27/05/12 Permalink
d^
Melbourne, Victoria
993 posts
From another forum:

if you like having:

- no attack rating
- no faster cast rate
- no faster hit recovery
- no light radius
- no + skill levels items
- no damage taken goes to health/(fury/discipline/etc)
- no reduced poison length
- no faster block rate
- no ethereal items
- no +life per level items
- no chance to cast actual skills
- no + to maximum resists items

- no runes/runewords
- no jewels
- no charms

Then this game is for you!
05:45pm 27/05/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19143 posts
There is items that do faster attack rate, and theres items that reduce the length of bad effects on you, but its just stupid to b**** about no +skill level items cos theres no skill levels anymore, or +life per level items when stats like that have been taken out of the players hands and are done behind the scenes. Theres +vitality items, thats enough for me in the life department. And charms? Really? People want those back? I thought they were a f*****g pain in the ass taking up valuable inventory space.

D3 is a different game to D2, if you want all that stuff, go play D2, its sitting there waiting for you. If they made D3 exactly the same as D2 then people would be b****ing even more that they didn't change anything, so Blizzard can't really win that one.
05:54pm 27/05/12 Permalink
Mephz
Brisbane, Queensland
1055 posts
I'm with Khel on that one, I think D3 is great in its own right.
D2 was awesome, yes. But so is D3.
I do feel the AH is a bit *too* integral though.
06:02pm 27/05/12 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
16799 posts
haha that is the most retarded thing i have ever heard

go and play diablo 2 if you cant let go
06:03pm 27/05/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19144 posts
I think y our character, when you ask questions of the little king would easily figure it out


Yeah, its easy to assume that, but theres never any hint of it at all in the writing, and never any indication that my character even suspects the king of being belial or lying. None of the characters in fact every say anything about the king, not even a "Something seems wrong about him..." or anything, everyone seems completely happy to work with him and then suddenly its like "Gotcha! We knew you were Belial all along!"
06:10pm 27/05/12 Permalink
Thundercracker
Brisbane, Queensland
3197 posts
I was such a charm whore :(
06:22pm 27/05/12 Permalink
parabol
Brisbane, Queensland
7012 posts
I don't have plans to use the RMAH, but if there was some item on there I desperately needed and it cost like $5 or something, or the alternative was to spend hours and hours and hours and hours of my time farming it myself, I'd probably pay the $5.

That's the kind of mentality I don't understand:

1. Why are you "desperate" for an in-game item? I don't think I've ever strongly wanted anything in a game, much less enough to pay extra for it. If the carrot and stick is up for too long I lose interest and do something else with my time.

2. If the game is boring and requires "hours and hours and hours and hours of my time farming" to play normally, then why continue to play it? Doesn't sound like fun to me, and instead buying an item with real money just masks the problem and makes the developer richer, encouraging them to push out more of the same boring grind-games in future.

Not having a go, just trying to understand.
06:40pm 27/05/12 Permalink
Zabman
Sydney, New South Wales
4 posts
Is anyone playin on US servers? Or all on asia?
06:42pm 27/05/12 Permalink
parabol
Brisbane, Queensland
7013 posts
^ I predict most on U.S. as that's the default for copies sold in AU and most people haven't tried to change it.
06:58pm 27/05/12 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
5606 posts
Does anyone know if +magic find also increases the chance of when you find a blue item, it'll actually have lots of good stats over say a level 52 requirement ring with a socket and nothing else?

I feel that's true as i've been getting that a lot since i have 0 magic find now, and i'm wondering if it stays true on crafted gear. As in, if i craft the gear while wearing 80% magic find, will it craft with a higher stat potential than with 0.
07:38pm 27/05/12 Permalink
Damo
Brisbane, Queensland
6084 posts
First day of playing and upto lvl 15 for barb. Loving it just need to find games with heaps of people in it. So far it's 1-2 people if i'm lucky.
08:08pm 27/05/12 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
5607 posts
First day of playing and upto lvl 15 for barb. Loving it just need to find games with heaps of people in it. So far it's 1-2 people if i'm lucky.
If you join a game with 2 other people, that's 75% full..

Edit: auction house is up again and the stuff which disappeared is now there.
08:28pm 27/05/12 Permalink
Zabman
Sydney, New South Wales
5 posts
First day of playing and upto lvl 15 for barb. Loving it just need to find games with heaps of people in it. So far it's 1-2 people if i'm lucky.


whats your battletag?
08:41pm 27/05/12 Permalink
Damo
Brisbane, Queensland
6085 posts
mrdamo
08:44pm 27/05/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15196 posts
i'm enjoying the starter edition so far.
08:51pm 27/05/12 Permalink
Zabman
Sydney, New South Wales
6 posts
mrdamo

im zabman#1558
09:38pm 27/05/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
6760 posts
Levelling a Demon Hunter now, getting a tad bored of the quests -_-
10:04pm 27/05/12 Permalink
carson
Gippsland, Victoria
1508 posts
The AH is giving me absolute grief. Items aren't turning up, can't search for gems or BS plans and stuff. It's all the more annoying because you really need the AH more in hardcore mode than softcore. So frustrating.
10:04pm 27/05/12 Permalink
parabol
Brisbane, Queensland
7015 posts
^ yeah they disabled gems, etc from showing up.

Finding things pretty boring after getting 15K worth of items from the AH. Basically halfway through A2 in Normal and got 3000 health and doing 160 damage, just spraying lasers everywhere and sorting through my inventory while enemies are melee attacking without effect.
10:07pm 27/05/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
6762 posts
Yeah I guess if you are just starting normal then stay away from the auction house or else it will ruin the experience of struggling for gear and actually having to think. I don't think I started buying gear until I was at Diablo in Act 4.
10:29pm 27/05/12 Permalink
parabol
Brisbane, Queensland
7017 posts
I think they should just make the AH inaccessible until you finish the game once in Normal.

Then again their long-term revenue stream is probably the RMAH, so this was unlikely to ever occur. Though I'm sure they're spewing at having to delay the RMAH as it delays their "free money".
10:35pm 27/05/12 Permalink
Outlaw
Gold Coast, Queensland
2089 posts
10:50pm 27/05/12 Permalink
Thundercracker
Brisbane, Queensland
3198 posts
Spent the night getting smote by elites/champions in hell. Weeeeeee.

Their difficulty is pretty random. Some groups we can just burn down, other groups are complete nightmares.

Most of the problem is the massive damage from arcane/molten/fire chain etc. I suspect the only way to mitigate this is through elemental resistance?
11:15pm 27/05/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19145 posts
11:59pm 27/05/12 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
5608 posts
Most of the problem is the massive damage from arcane/molten/fire chain etc. I suspect the only way to mitigate this is through elemental resistance?

Depends on your class, if you're a barb, take the passive which gives you 20% reduction and stack vitality was my thinking. It was "ok" but frankly there's lots of mobs you need to not chase so instantly melee of both classes are at a disadvantage.

As a witchdoctor ive naturally got 140 resistances+ to everything thanks to INT, but my HP is way down. But because my HP is way down, health potions are far more efficient.

I know that you can take a skill as a monk which means you can stack one type of magic resistance and it'll buff everything to it's level or something. My monk is only like 36ish. Far from hell.
Levelling a Demon Hunter now, getting a tad bored of the quests -_-
Quests are the best xp. But pro tip; press escape key to cancel dialogue, press escape key and then enter to cancel short clips, scenes etc for everyone.
12:38am 28/05/12 Permalink
csirac
Brisbane, Queensland
2659 posts
Was getting bored of Grinding gold to get prepped for act 2 inferno so I made a hardcore dh. I've rediscovered why I used to only play hc back in d2. It's just so much more exciting and you feel the pressure with every boss encounter because when you go in and load. That's it. You either kill it or die trying. It's a stark realization.

Also the ah is less spammy. Yay
12:55am 28/05/12 Permalink
MARLINBLADE
Queensland
379 posts
Yeah I guess if you are just starting normal then stay away from the auction house or else it will ruin the experience of struggling for gear and actually having to think. I don't think I started buying gear until I was at Diablo in Act 4.


I agree, i'm on my first play through in Normal and i only use the AH to sell... Struggling is half the fun and learning different strats for different enemies is part of the game. It's nice to pwn mobs, but it's also nice having that feeling of accomplishing something when you have to work hard for it.

AH is a bit of a pain tho, but i have managed to sell a few 100 gold items for 1500 - 2000 gold so it's all win so far... thats if the cash shows up ha ha, had to wait a day for it to tell me an item had sold... figured i had lost it and moved on only for it to show up as completed the next day... ah well, good enough i guess.
08:26am 28/05/12 Permalink
Thundercracker
Brisbane, Queensland
3199 posts
I really didn't start buying gear till level 50+, where weapon DPS ramps up very quickly and you don't want to be in hell beating away an an elite forever.

I might start trying to stack resistance since most of the mobs that pwn me are molten, firechain b******. I can use the monk resistance passive to even it out across other elements.

I read some interesting comments to say, not to stack vitality, but to stack mitigation. Smaller health pool but you take less damage, so healing effects are more efficient. Very interesting.
08:41am 28/05/12 Permalink
carson
Gippsland, Victoria
1509 posts
Was getting bored of Grinding gold to get prepped for act 2 inferno so I made a hardcore dh. I've rediscovered why I used to only play hc back in d2. It's just so much more exciting and you feel the pressure with every boss encounter because when you go in and load. That's it. You either kill it or die trying. It's a stark realization.

Also the ah is less spammy. Yay

Tell me about it. Friend and I downed diablo in hardcore yesterday (albeit only in normal) and it was much more exciting than when we did it with softcore chars. I find it's more rewarding playing hardcore. I just don't have the same sense of achievement with softcore. You die, lose some durability, reload, repair, ezymode.

The real fun starts today with Nightmare. Can't wait!
09:51am 28/05/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19146 posts
Hardcore seems like it would be annoying for me, having to be so careful and tippy toe around everything. I prefer to run into the middle of a group of mobs and just go nuts blowing s*** up, and if I die, just makes it even more heroic, then I run back and continue to blow stuff up. I find the gung-ho run and gun type of play much more fun, and hardcore is like the opposite of that.

Also, lol at struggling in normal, sif you can struggle in normal even without using the AH.
10:02am 28/05/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12501 posts
Stuck my toe in inferno this morning, got up to the Cathedral and was destroyed by a champ pack at the ent ... Molten Plague Vortex Teleporter :)
10:06am 28/05/12 Permalink
dais
Brisbane, Queensland
9176 posts
Well it seems that Ozsave aren't that bad at all, I was able to contact them on Facebook and have a chat to someone. I didn't realise the game was being sent from the UK, hence the wait. They offered to send me another one express or just send me a CD key if it doesn't arrive today.
10:40am 28/05/12 Permalink
Obes
Brisbane, Queensland
9657 posts
Keato got killed by a chubby purple unicorn ... sounds like a gay euphaism but it's not.
10:55am 28/05/12 Permalink
Mosfx
Gold Coast, Queensland
1132 posts
I've only just entered Act 3 on Normal unfortunately real life has been busy for me so I'm a little bit slow.

Playing as a Barbarian and it's soo much fun just leaping in and out of mobs, I'm still trying to find the right combo of moves to use. At one stage I was just focused on getting my DPS right up using shouts and passive skills.

I'm finding cleave with the corpse explosion is awesome in packs and Frenzy with the +Heals works well for boss fights, took me a while to work out how to use Whirlwind properly (Hold down RMB) and Leap is awesome to use.
10:57am 28/05/12 Permalink
do0b
Brisbane, Queensland
4332 posts
yea i love leap with pull towards on impact + overpower + whirlwind
usually get ridiculous 20-30 killed with a single hit combos
11:10am 28/05/12 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
6935 posts
Started a DH on the weekend, previous was using a Mage.

I swear, DHs are 'Easy mode'.
Butcher downed in seconds as a level 11 - just Rapid fire and Bola shot.

The bigger explosion rune for Bola Shot is practically cheating. I feel like just going through act 2, kiting every enemy I can find, and then killing them all at once with three shots.
11:15am 28/05/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
6764 posts
Started a DH on the weekend, previous was using a Mage.

I swear, DHs are 'Easy mode'.
Butcher downed in seconds as a level 11 - just Rapid fire and Bola shot.

The bigger explosion rune for Bola Shot is practically cheating. I feel like just going through act 2, kiting every enemy I can find, and then killing them all at once with three shots.

Just wait until you get Chakrams, very fun and does a lot of damage.
11:39am 28/05/12 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
6936 posts
Yeah, I have them, but they're not doing that much damage just yet. I played around with them but for the time being Bola and Rapid does the job better - Bola for the general 'blow s*** up', and Rapid fore for the high-health and rares that need taking down quick.

Chakrams were great when A was using them when he had four, but when you only get two they're not so great yet.
But four was just shred - which I don't have yet.
11:41am 28/05/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4683 posts
Thanks to reddit I found a great farm spot on inferno act 1. Select quest 6, The broken blade - talk to alaric. Go woods after he raises the bridge and go into the cave that is a big long bridge (1 area looks like a mine outside, don't go in that one). Not only is there a yellow in here with high drop rate, sometimes 2 yellows at once, but it saves you inside the cave so you simply logout and back in. Not to mention there are chests and normal mobs to kill for gold and additional drops
11:54am 28/05/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12503 posts
^

Sounds groovy but not sure I could mindless bash away at one mob for a long time. This is why I love the Nephalem Valor buff, rewards you for playing through at least a few champ packs in a session :)
12:07pm 28/05/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4684 posts
Well when you get home I won't have to do this

EDIT - Just found yellow plans to make Lv 60 yellow armor with 5 magic props, *only* 51k per craft.

last edited by DM at 12:22:56 28/May/12
12:13pm 28/05/12 Permalink
Raisty
Brisbane, Queensland
236 posts
I agree with hogfather, definetly more enjoyable doing the last few areas and the butcher with 5 nephlam stack than farming one cave.

Btw, if anyone wants the rare drop blacksmith shoulders or chest crafted give me a yell :)
12:18pm 28/05/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
6765 posts
I'm farming Black Soulstone quest with a friend in Nightmare. Went from level 1 to 25 in about 1-2 hours.
12:18pm 28/05/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4685 posts
Oh yeah I agree farming the entire act is better but I don't like doing that without a partner or bigger group. For now ill just hack away at this cave, hoping to find some awesome upgrade for the people I usually group with.
12:26pm 28/05/12 Permalink
defi
Wynnum, Queensland
2885 posts
Hows everyone going in inferno?
I have gone the defensive barb route to try to take on some of these champion mobs. I have a 60 000 dmg DH with me most the time so it works.

Current stats are:
35k HP
6000 Armor - about 23k with Leap Rune for first 4 secs of an encounter.
280 of All resist.
9000 Dmg (Dropped way down in order to build up durability)
15% Block (Anyone got a pro shield forale, mines gimp)

Running - Leap with Armor Rune, Revenge with provaction (More Procs for Healz), Iron Skin (With Healing run while active), Wrath of the Berzerker (With Fury gain, increases time run), Cleave (with corpse explosion for normal mob slaw) and Frenzy (With increase Damage rune for single target mobs, and increasing cleave damage) My passives are both armor ones and the Damage reduction one I think.

Thinking about dropping Wrath for War Cry, just need to suss it out this arvo.

Only spent an hour or so playing this style and with this gear and the survivability is way up on my old blow everything up with massive DPS build. I can stand toe to toe with most champ packs now and hold them off until they are dead from my team mates.
01:37pm 28/05/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19149 posts
Not looking forward to farming, I hate farming, hopefully I just get lucky and get awesome s*** without having to farm and grind for hours and hours.
01:44pm 28/05/12 Permalink
Raisty
Brisbane, Queensland
237 posts
Inferno is going mostly ok, act2 is like sticking your hand in a blender tho.

Most of the elite/rare packs are fine, the exception being the obvious ones (mortar horde, frozen arcane jailers etc..)
Act 1 most hate mob is the leapers, Act 2 so far is the firebomb cats

Stat wise my demon hunter is:
dps 26.5k
hp 31.5k
armour 3k
resists 150 across the board
dodge 35%
01:48pm 28/05/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4686 posts
Think I got an upgrade for you hog, and Zapo as well
01:54pm 28/05/12 Permalink
Zapo
Brisbane, Queensland
2787 posts
Sweeeeet! I will be on zee line tonight.
02:00pm 28/05/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19150 posts
What does the "horde" affix actually do to an elite? Like what ability does it grant it?
02:12pm 28/05/12 Permalink
Raisty
Brisbane, Queensland
238 posts
Doubles the number of minions, which is why I hate horde mortar :)
02:14pm 28/05/12 Permalink
Thundercracker
Brisbane, Queensland
3200 posts
What does avenger mean?
03:27pm 28/05/12 Permalink
csirac
Brisbane, Queensland
2660 posts
as each mob dies the others get stronger
03:28pm 28/05/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12505 posts
Doubles the number of minions, which is why I hate horde mortar :)

Ahhhhh that explains our solo horde then, maybe he spawned with 0 minions and 0x2 = 0.

Was a bit funny at the time :p
as each mob dies the others get stronger

The Highlander affix?!
03:29pm 28/05/12 Permalink
glynd
Melbourne, Victoria
669 posts
so i'm still waiting for telstra to come and chuck on the internet at my new apartment ... still haven't played D3 :( i did the annual pass so it's just sitting there until i get net.
03:38pm 28/05/12 Permalink
Thundercracker
Brisbane, Queensland
3201 posts
as each mob dies the others get stronger


nasty
03:44pm 28/05/12 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
8007 posts
Thanks for the screenshot Khel. Ironically I was listening to Go West by Pet Shop Boys during the secret level ... (JJJ hottest 100 from 1993).
04:32pm 28/05/12 Permalink
Superform
Netherlands
7419 posts
On inferno act 2 but hit a wall so I'm running butcher 5 stack runs.. can get usually 8-11 rates per run went from 12k DPS to nearly 17k.. I saw a 42k wd in act 3 so I have a way to go
07:10pm 28/05/12 Permalink
Superform
Netherlands
7420 posts
Also there seems to be a ah price wave as the best dps gear comes out.. 700dps gear that ppl were trying to flog for 5m is selling for 20k.. wait 2 weeks and you will be able to afford to buy ur way into act 4
07:15pm 28/05/12 Permalink
csirac
Brisbane, Queensland
2661 posts
inflation like that will always plague softcore, just like it did in d2. It'll get to a point (which i guess is the point of the game and natural progression of the game) where being able to farm inferno won't mean much and itll just be a formality.


hardcore will also eventually get inflated as well and it'll be interesting to see how blizzard will fix this snowball effect as the d2 solution was a reset for all ladder characters. (anything no on the ladder was considered junk and held no value)
08:05pm 28/05/12 Permalink
csirac
Brisbane, Queensland
2662 posts
Here is an image to make you cringe.

http://i.imgur.com/m8EhP.jpg
08:29pm 28/05/12 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
16805 posts
so I'm running butcher 5 stack runs


forgive my mmo lingo noobness but what are you 5 stacking ?
08:58pm 28/05/12 Permalink
reload!
Brisbane, Queensland
6773 posts
the mf buff you get from killing champs/elites once you hit 60
09:01pm 28/05/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
6767 posts
Found this earlier, not sure if the thread is still up however it makes me intrigued as to how hard Blizzard is pushing the RMAH.

http://imgur.com/1P6o9.png
09:46pm 28/05/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19153 posts
Looks to me like someone putting spin on what a Blizzard rep says and twisting it to suit their own argument, which is pretty much every second thread on the forums there.

What I took from reading the blue response was that they have had to take into account how much easier it is for people to get access to a much wider range of loot now that the AH exists, and they've had to balance the game accordingly. Not that they're nerfing the game intentionally to push the AH, more that the fact the AH exists necessitates certain measures be taken to balance the game/economy better.

And if they didn't take those measures, s*** would be utterly worthless within a matter of weeks and people would be crying about the f***ed economy instead. People are always going to find something to whinge about.
09:54pm 28/05/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
6768 posts
There should be a disclaimer at the very top of the General forums for any Blizzard thread outlining that the discussion here is 90% whine, 10% accurate feedback.

Though to be honest, if the AH wasn't factored into drops I think we may have seen rare items actually being rare, and legendaries offering more versatile/better stats then magical/rares. Currently items are being balanced by the AH and the difficulty, so you are seeing larger amount of rares in the economy then there ever was because they seem to be the new common, with magicals becoming the new uncommons where players will most likely sell for cash due to stats being too one-sided or the blacksmith items not scaling well enough with what drops.
10:27pm 28/05/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19155 posts
If it wasn't balanced for the AH you would see even MORE rares on the AH. I got the impression people are b****ing because they aren't getting enough good items dropping for them and Blizzard have essentially said "Well, we had to keep in mind how easy it is for you to get access to other people's good items now with the AH, so you may not necessarily get the same volume of awesome loot drops yourself personally ingame".

Whereas if they didn't balance it like that for the AH, and everyone had a good chance of getting really good items drop in their game, the AH would then be overflowing with really REALLY good items, to the point where it would all become pretty much worthless.
11:07pm 28/05/12 Permalink
Jim
UK
12909 posts
you should expect with blizzard games (maybe others too, I dunno) that *everything* that's available to you as a player, is factored into the game balance and therefore if you don't use *everything*, you're gimping yourself

wow is a MASSIVE example of this

that blue post comes as absolutely no surprise to me, particularly after churning two toons to 60 through the various difficulties and observing the number of drops that were actually useful upgrades among the absolute multitude of yellows/blues that dropped. in fact, I wouldn't be surprised at all if their logic deliberately reduced the chances of drops suiting the class you're playing - not just pure RNG. particularly now that they have private loot drops, making this very easy in the backend

I've hardly played any co-op at all - for the people who have played it a lot with friends, does it seem like you get a lot more loot handed over from them than from your own drops?
12:03am 29/05/12 Permalink
csirac
Brisbane, Queensland
2663 posts
Unless a proper sample size was taken of such stats it would mearly be speculation. I would say from my experience that other class loot drops more but statistically thats worth f*** all. It would be impossible to get such a stat.
12:27am 29/05/12 Permalink
Jim
UK
12910 posts
well that's why I asked 'does it seem'
and no, it's not impossible at all - it just wouldn't be easy
12:35am 29/05/12 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
5612 posts
handed over from them than from your own drops?

Yes, but that's because there's 3 other players to your 1. Overall i'd be lucky to pick up 2 items per act, and with friends i'd still be lucky to get a total of 4 even if my class is totally independant of stats to theirs.

Found my first tough boss, Diablo is being tough to kill with 4 of us in hell, for some reason my shadow witchdoctor summons zombies every single time. The first time we all died instantly, the second time we spread out before we did anything and the third time we died in one of those really slow ways, one of the shadows is up when diablo comes back and so you kite him while killing him off and bam get stuck in one of the black spot cages.

Still fun.
It would be impossible to get such a stat.
Nah, WoW droprates are known pretty well. If a few hundred of the thousands of players start stat tracking, info will come across quickly and reliably. Not really that hard.

Edit: one final thing; the only thing the auction house really changes is that items you wear have less of the whole gamblers chance dictating your entire game. Some of your items you find will suit you fine, but the rest of the slots will be a calculateable amount of time as a maximum to get the gear you are after.

The only fear of course would be what does this mean for the Real Money Auction House. Is the philosophy going to be that the items which will be required to finish the game will only end up there where a lucky bugger can turn a profit? Will you not be able to compete after the RMAH if y ou don't participate? At this time the Auction House is mandatory and my biggest complaint is that it's too clunky.

It doesn't feel naturally a part of the game, just an addon. If i could access it within the game, if searching was better, if items were split up a little nicer and the missing stat searches were available i'd be happier.

The stat i mostly miss is on the Offhand and searching for a minimum bonus damage. Sure it doesn't apply to a shield, but it applies to Mage and Witchdoctor offhands.
12:39am 29/05/12 Permalink
reload!
Brisbane, Queensland
6775 posts
I've absolutely had more useful items given to me by the players I've moved through the game with than items found myself. And easily the two best items I've found by far have been int based items, useless for my barb. I've certainly found quite a lot of high level items that have been really fantastic in one area but gimped by conflicting stats in another.

Purely anecdotal but it's an interesting observation.
12:57am 29/05/12 Permalink
csirac
Brisbane, Queensland
2664 posts
ah, WoW droprates are known pretty well. If a few hundred of the thousands of players start stat tracking, info will come across quickly and reliably. Not really that hard.


WoW drop rates isnt really what Jim was asking about. WoW drop rates had no factor on who was in the party, each boss just had a simple loot table and depending on what difficulty you killed stuff on you would get a chance at a certain variation of the loot table. Jim was suggesting maybe if youre a monk you would more DH gear if you were partying with a DH.

and yeah i was exaggerating with the "impossible" remark. batcrap hard
01:57am 29/05/12 Permalink
Jim
UK
12912 posts
not quite, I was saying that there might be logic that gives you less stats ideal for your class. if this were true, it might indirectly mean that other classes get more drops that suit your class.

this in turn might mean that playing co-op with other people on a different class who care enough to consider their drops stats for you/ask you if their drops are an upgrade for you, you could end up with more upgrades than playing solo - and not necessarily just because there's 4 of you as skythra suggested
02:32am 29/05/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12506 posts
I've had 2 legendaries drop (barb) and it feels like I'm the dex rare loot machine sometimes.

On my WD.
09:00am 29/05/12 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
8012 posts
On my monk I get far far more WD and DH drop specific items, in fact I can't even remember getting a monk item. I don't think I have used an item I've picked up since first gearing in Act 1.
09:19am 29/05/12 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
6942 posts
How do you tell the difference between a legen... wait for it... dary and a rare?
09:26am 29/05/12 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
8013 posts
Rare is yellow, legendary is poo brown.
10:00am 29/05/12 Permalink
Thundercracker
Brisbane, Queensland
3202 posts
I have had a few reasonable monk items on my monk.

Remember how long you had to farm in d2 to get some semi-decent loot. People quickly forget.
10:06am 29/05/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12507 posts
poo poo brown

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/6018173/Game_Design_Update-5_28_2012#blog

I like a lot of what they are talking about.

Also a few people posting on reddit (will find the post later) about working act2 without kiting, barbs and monks actually tanking through arcane and the like. The builds center around defense, with gearing to armour and resists and only vit when these are very, very high. With 20-30k life these guys theorycraft over 1M damage absorbed on a full life globe (!), and some glass cannons or WD along for support and to get fight duration down.

This was a mix of AH, crafting and dropped gear.
10:06am 29/05/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19157 posts
Even legendaries don't have set stats though, it seems the types of stats are set but the values definitely aren't because I saw two of the same legendary amulet on the AH last night, with wildly different values for the stats.

And yeah, it feels like I get a lot more stuff better suited for other classes than I do for myself. There is a couple of pieces I've found that were awesomely good, but the rest has been given to me by other people or bought through the AH.
10:17am 29/05/12 Permalink
Raisty
Brisbane, Queensland
239 posts
The colour of the item name

Magic - Blue
Rare - Yellow
Legendary - Orange
Set - Green


Legendaries have 3-4 fixed stats, then a handful of random ones.

last edited by Raisty at 10:35:47 29/May/12
10:34am 29/05/12 Permalink
Thundercracker
Brisbane, Queensland
3203 posts
Also a few people posting on reddit (will find the post later) about working act2 without kiting, barbs and monks actually tanking through arcane and the like. The builds center around defense, with gearing to armour and resists and only vit when these are very, very high. With 20-30k life these guys theorycraft over 1M damage absorbed on a full life globe (!), and some glass cannons or WD along for support and to get fight duration down.


Sounds very interesting.
10:40am 29/05/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19159 posts
Legendaries look brown to me, not orange. WoW legendaries are orange.
10:47am 29/05/12 Permalink
eski
Perth, Western Australia
909 posts
burnt sienna over here
11:00am 29/05/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12508 posts
Sounds very interesting.

Yeh was late last night, f***ed if I can find it now it either got buried or was removed, had some really good info.

Have to work but will try and find it later!
11:07am 29/05/12 Permalink
reload!
Brisbane, Queensland
6777 posts
http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/9622/screenshot003le.jpg
is an amusing item I found. Interesting it's only blue since it has the unique description and I haven't found any other types of oars, but it's fun to run around in your loin cloth paddling things if helping in lower difficulties.
11:09am 29/05/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
6770 posts
Diablo 3 will be down for 8 hours tonight by the way people.
We will be performing scheduled maintenance on Tuesday, May 29th. Maintenance will begin at 3:00 AM PDT and conclude at approximately 11:00 AM PDT. During this time, servers and many web services will be unavailable.

Thank you for your patience.
Turns out to be from 8pm to 4am AEST.
11:11am 29/05/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12510 posts
Hmm 8pm sucks but there's time to get some click click click in and it might be nice to get some actual sleep ;)

Hopefully its the 1.0.2 update they were talking about today to help 'service issues'?
11:16am 29/05/12 Permalink
Nathan
Brisbane, Queensland
4016 posts
more that the fact the AH exists necessitates certain measures be taken to balance the game/economy better.
From my perspective those measures arguably haven't gone far enough, you can buy excellent equipment on the AH for next to nothing because at a broad level, good rares drop too frequently.

It seems kind of silly that you can have all rare equipment with good stats through the midgame, using nothing but the loot you pick up and vending.
11:17am 29/05/12 Permalink
Raisty
Brisbane, Queensland
240 posts
burnt sienna over here


yea ok, i'll give you that
11:19am 29/05/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19160 posts
Yeah, rares are a bit devalued, I'm not even endgame and I've already been looking at anything below rare as s*** and not worth my time for quite a few levels now.
11:35am 29/05/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12512 posts
Yeah, rares are a bit devalued, I'm not even endgame and I've already been looking at anything below rare as s*** and not worth my time for quite a few levels now.

I regularly replace rares with blues in Inferno, its all about the ilvl!
11:59am 29/05/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4687 posts
So this is going to be a normal thing I take it now, taking every server they have down for all their games at once.
12:18pm 29/05/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12513 posts
Yeh and it kind of sucks tbh
12:21pm 29/05/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15210 posts
what exactly do they do when they take the servers down for 8 hours?

surely it doesn't take that long to apply patches etc?

last edited by ravn0s at 12:37:42 29/May/12
12:36pm 29/05/12 Permalink
eski
Perth, Western Australia
910 posts
windows updates
12:37pm 29/05/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4688 posts
Well since I don't know what they are doing with the downtime i'll spend a few hours power leveling my monk up. Hopefully in a few hours i'll be able to go from 44 to 50 or higher.
12:39pm 29/05/12 Permalink
reload!
Brisbane, Queensland
6778 posts
they bathe in the tears of a million players
12:40pm 29/05/12 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
6945 posts
Conveniently I have a bunch ride to go on every Tuesday night ;)
01:02pm 29/05/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19162 posts
A bunch ride? Is that anything like a soup kitchen?
01:46pm 29/05/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12517 posts
Ahah!

08:09pm 29/05/12 Permalink
darkjedi
Hobart, Tasmania
3392 posts
Ahhh, I love how I have to wade through queues and deal with server downtime for my single player games!

F*** this game, seriously.
08:15pm 29/05/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12519 posts
Ahhh, I love how I have to wade through queues and deal with server downtime for my single player games!

F*** this game, seriously.

This is a new and interesting observation, please go on!
08:17pm 29/05/12 Permalink
mental
Brisbane, Queensland
3167 posts
I had a friend visit before with his daughter who screamed like that but louder and didn't stop for half an hour for no known reason. Do children often behave like that? My daughters certainly didn't/don't.
08:19pm 29/05/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4693 posts
I shouldnt laugh so much at that but I do.
08:24pm 29/05/12 Permalink
Thundercracker
Brisbane, Queensland
3204 posts
*scratches arm*
08:35pm 29/05/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12520 posts
* twitches *
08:36pm 29/05/12 Permalink
Dodgymon
Brisbane, Queensland
2093 posts
Thats my tactic but I am throwing blizz and frost hydras behind me as I run.
08:40pm 29/05/12 Permalink
Thundercracker
Brisbane, Queensland
3205 posts
I remember that ;) I was busy getting potatowned.
08:41pm 29/05/12 Permalink
darkjedi
Hobart, Tasmania
3393 posts
This is a new and interesting observation, please go on!


Call it delayed nerd rage. Only got the game on the weekend! Now it's out of the system, I can move on with life.
08:44pm 29/05/12 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
5619 posts
I put off killing diablo in hell (standing outside his door) till everyone was going to get home tonight so i could do it as a group of 4 (after the miserable failure of not being able to do it as 4 yesterday evening).

My mistake.
08:55pm 29/05/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
6779 posts
I put off killing diablo in hell (standing outside his door) till everyone was going to get home tonight so i could do it as a group of 4 (after the miserable failure of not being able to do it as 4 yesterday evening).

My mistake.

Tad funny because I've been enjoying my singleplayer proportions until I was geared enough to go do inferno with a friend. Ah well, Torchlight 2 is looking just that little bit better, and I hear there is a offline beta copy somewhere as well...
09:09pm 29/05/12 Permalink
Damo
Brisbane, Queensland
6086 posts
Only 4 players per game is kinda s***e.. Was great with around 8 or so players spamming the crap out of a game. Pain in arse trying to find a game with at least 2 players already in it.
09:29pm 29/05/12 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
5620 posts
Only 4 players per game is kinda s***e.. Was great with around 8 or so players spamming the crap out of a game. Pain in arse trying to find a game with at least 2 players already in it.

I forget to mention this as a gripe, i have about 7 friends who like to play with us so we always get split into different groups of people which is kind of saddening :(

The only way we've dealt with it is a first come first serve basis and that way whomever joins just gets a spot and then whoever is left over joins someone else or plays alone for a little till other people come home from work.

It'd still be much better if it was all just together.
09:41pm 29/05/12 Permalink
dais
Brisbane, Queensland
9188 posts
I finally got my key and entered it on the battle.net site and the rest of the site is down.

LOL 8-)
10:23pm 29/05/12 Permalink
dais
Brisbane, Queensland
9189 posts
The Americas is down but Asia is working FYI.
10:24pm 29/05/12 Permalink
parabol
Brisbane, Queensland
7022 posts
Great night to be playing D3 ...

Blizzard's arrogance and incompetence never ceases to amaze me.

http://users.on.net/~deadsimple/images/d3status.png
10:27pm 29/05/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
6780 posts
What I'm intrigued about the most, is when the RMAH goes live, will we see a reduction in items on the Gold based AH? Will player mentality switch to "why place an item that I can sell for actual dollars, onto a AH that gives me fake money". So will the gold based AH only be used for low level items/non-necessary items?
11:08pm 29/05/12 Permalink
dais
Brisbane, Queensland
9190 posts
Yeah and you will probably see rare/legendary items going for exorbitant amounts.
11:10pm 29/05/12 Permalink
csirac
Brisbane, Queensland
2665 posts
What I'm intrigued about the most, is when the RMAH goes live, will we see a reduction in items on the Gold based AH? Will player mentality switch to "why place an item that I can sell for actual dollars, onto a AH that gives me fake money". So will the gold based AH only be used for low level items/non-necessary items?


Selling for gold will still be profitable and in some cases more worthwhile than the RMAH because you can actually sell your gold for RM. It's a prediction that if an item at any point goes over the $250 limit it would just be sold on the GAH to work around the 250 limit.

So in the end i suspect it will even out. x $ = y gold. And so you actually spending gold is more or less spending money as well...assuming you have intentions of cashing in at all.
11:16pm 29/05/12 Permalink
Python
Sydney, New South Wales
1510 posts
11:24pm 29/05/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12521 posts
Looking forward to the RMAH; don't plan to ever transfer money in but will give selling a go and if I get some blizzard money will buy s*** too.

Just another version of gold that can be turned into beer if you not chipping in :)
12:36am 30/05/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4694 posts
Well doesn't look like the patch is coming since it didn't load anything when I booted up the launcher.
01:04am 30/05/12 Permalink
Fade2Black
Brisbane, Queensland
5045 posts
If anyone else is having trouble getting the patch to download (based on forums many are). Go into options and change your language from english to something else. Then the patch will download. Change back when finished.
06:07am 30/05/12 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
6953 posts
Yeah, I predict the RMAH to totally kill the IGC version. You might end up with Legendaries that sell for say $200 real, which equates to 2,000,000,000 in-game gold. When people are willing to pay $3.95 for a reasonable level 60 piece, which there will be plenty of, that's going to totally screw with the ability to do anything with IGC if it costs 2m ISK. I mean gold.
07:55am 30/05/12 Permalink
Nathan
Brisbane, Queensland
4017 posts
Go into options and change your language from english to something else. Then the patch will download. Change back when finished.
I had to do this, though from what I'm reading no one can actually login after patching

As to the RMAH, I predict it will have almost no impact outside of high-end level 60 stuff. On release GAH prices may go up due to people trying to list every stupid little item in RMAH and hence limiting supply in the GAH, but once people realise no one is going to pay anything for equipment unless its excellent things I think will go back to normal.
08:39am 30/05/12 Permalink
Morax
Brisbane, Queensland
2262 posts
Somebody was brave enough to attempt Inferno with a monk and post footage of it :)

08:39am 30/05/12 Permalink
Jim
UK
12913 posts
haha that's so like the game
just needs a 30 second respawn timer and it'd be down pat
08:41am 30/05/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12522 posts
Only about 12 hours too slow Morax.

Still funny.
08:41am 30/05/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12523 posts
Well doesn't look like the patch is coming since it didn't load anything when I booted up the launcher.

Patch loads when you try to login.
Diablo III Patch 1.0.2 - v.1.0.2.9749

General
Players will now automatically join General chat when logging in
Classes
Monk
Active Skills
Serenity
Skill Rune - Tranquility
Duration of immunity granted to nearby allies from crowd control effects reduced from 2 seconds to 1 second
Mantra of Healing (tooltips will be updated in a later patch)
In addition to increasing Life regeneration for you and nearby allies while active, Mantra of Healing will now also shroud you and nearby allies with a mystical shield that absorbs damage for 3 seconds after activiation (up to a limited amount, based on level)
Skill Rune - Boon of Protection
Boon of Protection has been renamed Boon of Inspiration
Mantra of Healing will now heal you when dealing damage to an enemy (heal amount will be based on hero level)

Bug Fixes
For a full list of documented game and service bugs, please review the Known Issues sticky located in the Bug Report forum.
General
Players should no longer receive an "Error 14009" when logging in
The "Select a Hero" menu will now also display the difficulty level for each character
Several speed improvements have been made to the streaming downloader
Achievements
All players in a party should now receive "Till Death Do Us Part" even if they don’t have Haedrig Eamon as their active follower
Acts
Act IV
Witch Doctors should no longer receive an error if they kill a Shadow Clone with a Damage-Over-Time (DoT) skill after it's launched a Firebomb but before it's reached its target

Auction House
The auction log in the Completed tab will now display a player's activity (bids, buyouts, sales, etc) in the proper order
When placing a new bid over a previous bid on the same auction, players will now be provided with the correct warning message: "Raising your maximum bid on an Auction you are already winning raises your current bid to just above your previous maximum bid. Are you sure you want to continue?"
Players will now receive an error message if they attempt to purchase an item after the 50 item limit has been reached in the Completed tab
The "Physical Damage" Preferred Stats option for rings has been renamed to "Bonus Minimum Physical Damage"
The "All Damage" Preferred Stats option for weapons and armor has been removed and replaced with bonuses of specific damage types
Items which have been purchased from a vendor and equipped by the player can now be sold on the Auction House
Listing items on the Auction House from a different character than the one currently selected should no longer cause item display issues
Battle.net
The public chat list will now sort alphabetically
Classes
Witch Doctor
Spirit Vessel (Passive) no longer clears debuffs when using waypoints or changing equipment
08:44am 30/05/12 Permalink
carson
Gippsland, Victoria
1512 posts
Patch is live, shame you can't log in to play. I'm getting really sick of all the s*** making you unable to play. All I want to do is have a quick game of d3 before I go off to uni, but I cannot do that because the f*****g servers are down.

I'm also s***** that you can't buy or sell gems on the AH yet either (or artisan recipes). Yet there is no explanation as to why this is! Urgh. Lift your game Blizzard.
08:56am 30/05/12 Permalink
Morax
Brisbane, Queensland
2263 posts
Only about 12 hours too slow Morax.

Sorry to have a life & need to sleep :(
08:56am 30/05/12 Permalink
casa
Brisbane, Queensland
4642 posts

oi damo add me to battle.net: simon at lad group dot com dot au
09:00am 30/05/12 Permalink
dais
Brisbane, Queensland
9192 posts
Is anyone else getting "A new patch is available" every time they log in?
09:09am 30/05/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12524 posts
Sorry to have a life & need to sleep :(

Yeh man, 8pm posting is some crazy no life insomnia s***.
Is anyone else getting "A new patch is available" every time they log in?

Just once, now error 33 on login after patching.
09:09am 30/05/12 Permalink
csirac
Brisbane, Queensland
2666 posts
Patch is live, shame you can't log in to play. I'm getting really sick of all the s*** making you unable to play. All I want to do is have a quick game of d3 before I go off to uni, but I cannot do that because the f*****g servers are down.

I'm also s***** that you can't buy or sell gems on the AH yet either (or artisan recipes). Yet there is no explanation as to why this is! Urgh. Lift your game Blizzard.


well you could initially. Maybe they brought that part of the AH down to alleviate pressure off the AH since it was crashing constantly.
09:14am 30/05/12 Permalink
dais
Brisbane, Queensland
9193 posts
Seems everyone is getting it. Stupid Blizzard.
09:14am 30/05/12 Permalink
Morax
Brisbane, Queensland
2264 posts
Yeh man, 8pm posting is some crazy no life insomnia s***.

Teach dance class 7:30 - 8:30pm
Pack a load for moving house 9 - 9:30pm
Train/rehearse for a TV show 9:45 - 1am

Like I said, I have a life and not on the PC 24/7 to keep up to date with the latest videos that come out. Also I didn't see it posted on here, so I'm sure many others haven't seen it yet either.
09:15am 30/05/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
6781 posts
Teach dance class 7:30 - 8:30pm
Pack a load for moving house 9 - 9:30pm
Train/rehearse for a TV show 9:45 - 1am

Like I said, I have a life and not on the PC 24/7 to keep up to date with the latest videos that come out. Also I didn't see it posted on here, so I'm sure many others haven't seen it yet either.

It was on the front page http://www.ausgamers.com/news/read/3213831/diablo-3-design-blog-confirms-pre-release-public-test-for-pvp but I can understand missing it when you are quite busy.

Guess all this downtime and unable to play a singleplayer section of a game helps me decide never to buy another game like it.
09:25am 30/05/12 Permalink
Morax
Brisbane, Queensland
2265 posts
It was on the front page http://www.ausgamers.com/news/read/3213831/diablo-3-design-blog-confirms-pre-release-public-test-for-pvp but I can understand missing it when you are quite busy.

Oops my bad
09:29am 30/05/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12525 posts
Like I said, I have a life and not on the PC 24/7 to keep up to date with the latest videos that come out. Also I didn't see it posted on here, so I'm sure many others haven't seen it yet either.

Oh lollsies.

The thing is Morax, and the reason I said you were late, is that I posted it here in this thread last night.

Scroll up a little.
09:30am 30/05/12 Permalink
casa
Brisbane, Queensland
4643 posts

33 is the new 37
09:31am 30/05/12 Permalink
Morax
Brisbane, Queensland
2266 posts
Hahah so you did, ignore all my tired arguing. Let's shake hands and be friends?
09:32am 30/05/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12526 posts
Hahah so you did, ignore all my tired arguing. Let's shake hands and be friends?

Let's kiss instead, you groovy dance shark?!
09:33am 30/05/12 Permalink
casa
Brisbane, Queensland
4644 posts

No morax, no. this is the internet and you're f***en baeshed for reposting something that you missed a 1151 post thread and on a news page you probably never frequent.

HOW F*****G DARE YOU C***
09:34am 30/05/12 Permalink
Creepy
USA
1940 posts
So my missus and I haven't had a chance to play for about a week. We're still wayyyy back in Act 1 normal (I know, I know).

She says a short time ago, "we must play tonight, as we finally have time!"

To which I agreed.

Then I tried to log into the game. :(
09:40am 30/05/12 Permalink
carson
Gippsland, Victoria
1513 posts
Guess all this downtime and unable to play a singleplayer section of a game helps me decide never to buy another game like it.

F***en' oath. It's certainly pissing me off to no end.

well you could initially. Maybe they brought that part of the AH down to alleviate pressure off the AH since it was crashing constantly.

You'd think they'd give the AH more resources, so it doesn't crash, given that it's a major component of the game.
09:42am 30/05/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12527 posts
No morax, no. this is the internet and you're f***en baeshed for reposting something that you missed a 1151 post thread and on a news page you probably never frequent.

HOW F*****G DARE YOU C***

Well now, that's normal, innit.
09:50am 30/05/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19170 posts
Theres been a message in the "Breaking News" box when you log into the game for days now about Commodity trading on the AH being taken offline while they address performance issues with it. I don't think everyone gets the "Breaking News" box though so thats probably why you didn't know.
09:57am 30/05/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12528 posts
Breaking news is broken?!
09:58am 30/05/12 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
5624 posts
Okay, it's just me but i've turned up for work and my work client is a different version to my home client.

I downloaded the EN_GB client at work like blizzard asked me to when i bought the game using their online system. Obviously, so that way they can spell words like the queen intended.

However, it appears to me, that they only rolled out a patch for the american game client, not the EN_GB. When I connect to the american server, it says there is a patch available; the game quits, launches the patcher, which says the game is up to date, and then i can click play.

If i change my region to europe, i can play, obviously though i have no characters or any care for the european server.

=_=
10:01am 30/05/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
6783 posts
Try changing your language in-game, should then patch.
10:03am 30/05/12 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
5625 posts
Try changing your language in-game, should then patch.

*facepalms*

Well it's patching 2.6gig which i assume means that i'm grabbing the whole soundpack for spanish i think. There was only language options for things other than english, like chinese, spanish etc.

Still more promising than the alternative which was nothing. Thanks eorl!
10:09am 30/05/12 Permalink
Dodgymon
Brisbane, Queensland
2094 posts
Oh error 37 oh how I have missed you!
NOT!
10:11am 30/05/12 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
5626 posts
Just as an aside, that changing language patch didn't work. When connecting to the american servers it says

"Hay un nuevo parche disponsible para Diablo III. El juego se cerrara en este momento y aplicara el parche automaticamente. Podras seguir jugando luego de la aplication del parche."

Or swapping back to english

"A new patch for Diablo III is available. The game will now close and apply the patch automatically. You will be able to continue playing after the patch has been applied."

:(
10:34am 30/05/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
6785 posts
Hummm odd. Sounds like the EN_GB client just wasn't listed as a patch update which is odd because that is what is apparently supplied when downloading from Battle.net.
10:35am 30/05/12 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
6955 posts
So am I going to have to spend 2 hours waiting for a patch to download when I get home tonight? Sigh.
10:36am 30/05/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12529 posts
So am I going to have to spend 2 hours waiting for a patch to download when I get home tonight? Sigh.

I patched very quickly this morning.
10:38am 30/05/12 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
5627 posts
So am I going to have to spend 2 hours waiting for a patch to download when I get home tonight? Sigh.

In blizzards defence, it downloaded that (what i assume to be a language) patch at 2.5-3.0mb/s. Their download speeds are fast now. I don't think the patch should be big either reading through the patchnotes.

Tiny monk change and some error fixes and AH changes. Pretty menial stuff considering.
10:39am 30/05/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19172 posts
Breaking news is broken?!


Some stupid bug where only people who have the US version of the client installed seem to see it.
10:42am 30/05/12 Permalink
dais
Brisbane, Queensland
9194 posts
Changing language didn't work for me either.
10:47am 30/05/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12530 posts
Some stupid bug where only people who have the US version of the client installed seem to see it.

Yeh ... I was trying to be funny :(
10:49am 30/05/12 Permalink
Totenkopf
Melbourne, Victoria
479 posts
Error 37 so sexy
10:51am 30/05/12 Permalink
XxDEATH SN1PAxX
Brisbane, Queensland
1 posts
seems like a pretty good game anyways
10:55am 30/05/12 Permalink
Jim
UK
12915 posts
33 is the new 37

looks like we're not rid of 37 just yet :(
10:59am 30/05/12 Permalink
eski
Perth, Western Australia
915 posts
So am I going to have to spend 2 hours waiting for a patch to download when I get home tonight? Sigh.


patch was less than 1MB for me, should be fine
11:00am 30/05/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4695 posts
Yup 37. what it is now? 2 weeks after launch and they still havn't gotten their stuff together?

EDIT - Also whats up with them changing spells but then saying in the notes, oh we'll change the tooltips in another patch. The f***? Update em you buggers so we know what they actually do now.

last edited by DM at 11:07:14 30/May/12
11:05am 30/05/12 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
5628 posts
Just as an FYI i fixed my game by downloading the US version instead of fiddling any longer. At 2-3mb/s the whole thing came down pretty darn quickly.
11:09am 30/05/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19174 posts
EDIT - Also whats up with them changing spells but then saying in the notes, oh we'll change the tooltips in another patch. The f***? Update em you buggers so we know what they actually do now.


Sounds to me like they can change the numbers behind abilities by applying a hotfix to the server, but the tooltips would require a client patch. So they hotfix the abilities right away, then update the tooltips next time they put out a client patch.
11:37am 30/05/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12531 posts
Sounds to me like they can change the numbers behind abilities by applying a hotfix to the server, but the tooltips would require a client patch. So they hotfix the abilities right away, then update the tooltips next time they put out a client patch.

1.0.2 is a (small) client patch, though.
11:39am 30/05/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
6786 posts
Which was today so I presume previous hotfixes to tooltips has been text-altered now.
11:40am 30/05/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4696 posts
Nope. Smoke Screen for DH is still old text. They changed Mantra of Healing for monks which now seems to be a life steal on hit which I like and first 3 seconds after use gives you a small damage absorb shield. Boon of Protection rune was changed too, totally renaming it and giving it a new effect but everything is still the same.

Also wonder why your auctions aren't selling? Turns out any items posted before the AH goes down don't get relisted when it comes back up. So those awesome items that just wont sell for whatever reason? Yeah no one can see them and you cant get em back til lthe timer runs out to repost.

last edited by DM at 11:46:46 30/May/12
11:45am 30/05/12 Permalink
Creepy
USA
1941 posts
Error 37 has finally been explained as meaning "Server is full"

No surprise, it's patch night.
11:46am 30/05/12 Permalink
BlueMoon
8 posts
Also whats up with them changing spells but then saying in the notes, oh we'll change the tooltips in another patch. The f***? Update em you buggers so we know what they actually do now.


Reading this thread as an ex-wow player that had played since beta makes me smile.

All those people that shot us down when we 'wow players' tried to voice our anger back in the day about being unable to log into servers without errors, server maintenance, items heroes and accounts going missing, massive lag during AU peak times and tooltips not being correct after stealth-fixes etc... are now suffering it all themselves with d3.

I love it.
12:24pm 30/05/12 Permalink
dais
Brisbane, Queensland
9196 posts
The Americas is back up! I am playing now.

Asia mustn't be patched yet.
12:28pm 30/05/12 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
5629 posts
All those people that shot us down when we 'wow players'
Those are the players playing Diablo 3
There's nothing to smile about, it's the same people dealing with the same s***.
12:28pm 30/05/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12532 posts
I love it.

Schadenfreude all up itt
12:43pm 30/05/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4698 posts
As much as it annoys me I can deal with server errors, f*** ups on blizzard part, lag and what not but what pisses me off is when they change spells and not bother to update the tooltips. That's just bulls***, that they just not bother. You released a client patch last night and didn't fix any of these errors or changes that even happened last week? Lazy. No other word for it.

EDIT - Also just do yourself a favor and leave general chat. Nothing but whiners, like this 1 guy who wont shut up about there not being any warden for the AH so this means blizzard supports botters for their RMAH so they can take a cut.

last edited by DM at 13:03:03 30/May/12
12:57pm 30/05/12 Permalink
Outlaw
Gold Coast, Queensland
2099 posts
01:22pm 30/05/12 Permalink
mental
Brisbane, Queensland
3172 posts
Always a little late to the party Outlaw, your beer has been opened, drunk and used as an ashtray already, better rinse your mouth you have little specks of ash on them.
01:29pm 30/05/12 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
5630 posts
Guys look at what i just found, its totally funny~

01:51pm 30/05/12 Permalink
Outlaw
Gold Coast, Queensland
2100 posts
Skythra your dig is almost as unoriginal as my post. At least mental has some class
02:06pm 30/05/12 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
5631 posts
How do you rate your reply then?
02:09pm 30/05/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
6788 posts
Seems the only way for Demon Hunters to clear Inferno is by stacking Dex and Crit chance. Ignoring Vitality as a main stat, if I stack the other two I can apparently 2-3 shot enemies and actually do something.
02:14pm 30/05/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4699 posts
Yeah there is a DH with a regular stream up and he is running 150k dps and only has like 14 - 20k hp last I saw. They have incredibly high burst but die if they get caught with no discipline.
02:17pm 30/05/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
6789 posts
Also seems there is a bug with the AH where after server restarting, it doesn't appear in the search, thus making it a dead item that no one can bid on and you can't cancel.

Source.
02:26pm 30/05/12 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
5632 posts
Error 31073 from bidding on AH items..
03:05pm 30/05/12 Permalink
Dodgymon
Brisbane, Queensland
2096 posts
Not sure if this has been posted yet but.

03:12pm 30/05/12 Permalink
reload!
Brisbane, Queensland
6787 posts
ISWYDT
03:18pm 30/05/12 Permalink
Superform
Netherlands
7422 posts
the game is pretty bug free for me.. the biggest issue i have had so far was this patch where i had to reinstall the whole game again due to a looping error.. its a shame that the saying that i used to like about bliz.. "its done when its done cause we want to give our customers a polished game - and we wont compromise time for that" doesnt seem to be true anymore
04:16pm 30/05/12 Permalink
dais
Brisbane, Queensland
9197 posts
Damn this game is fun. I died for the first time in Act I after getting the staff. Sold a couple of things on the auction house too, gee they go quick.
06:40pm 30/05/12 Permalink
Thundercracker
Brisbane, Queensland
3206 posts
lolz from reddit:

Every elite pack on Inferno mode in Diablo 3.
http://i.imgur.com/0bmn2.jpg
06:42pm 30/05/12 Permalink
reload!
Brisbane, Queensland
6791 posts
pretty accurate
07:42pm 30/05/12 Permalink
Thundercracker
Brisbane, Queensland
3207 posts
Stacked a bunch of physical resist, used One with Everything plus heal+20% res mantra and now I can chew through elites/champion packs. Good times.
09:24pm 30/05/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
6792 posts
My Demon Hunter is struggling a slight bit in regards to DPS, so I bought some more Dex based gear and now she is kicking ass. Still only level 35 with her though, my poor monk is just chilling on Act 1 Nightmare at level 35.
09:27pm 30/05/12 Permalink
Morax
Brisbane, Queensland
2267 posts
What's the stats on your DH Eorl? I'm trying to put together sets with all yellow sub 10k gear off the AH (apart from the main weapon, that was 300k).

At level 36 it's at:
Damage: 3072.72
Armor: 1003
HP: 1456
Resists: who cares at this level (13+)
09:51pm 30/05/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4700 posts
10:07pm 30/05/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
6794 posts
She is now level 36 with:
DPS: 910.73
Armour: 994
Vit: 646
Dex: 746
Total HP: 7286
10:09pm 30/05/12 Permalink
Morax
Brisbane, Queensland
2268 posts
Eorl, pro-tip.. If you're getting geared up from the AH, look for gear that's level 40-42 and "reduced level requirements". You can wield a higher level bow that does significantly more damage than a regular level 36 bow. Mine is a 1h crossbow with base 113 damage plus a socket
10:14pm 30/05/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
6795 posts
Oh nice, well I just go this given to me by a mate which was uber upgrade from my pitiful 50DPS bow. While the attack speed isn't as fast, it packs a wallop with over 1000 damage per hit now.

http://i.imgur.com/va7cL.png
11:03pm 30/05/12 Permalink
Superform
Netherlands
7423 posts
just topped 20k unbuffed dps on my wd

up to act 3.. its hard
11:53pm 30/05/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4701 posts
So I hit 60 on my monk tonight (I love you repeatable quest exp) and got into inferno. After a "little" bit of money spent, around 800k, I think i'm ready.

Damage Reduction much? Don't have the best weapon so that's why my dps is low. Need a good, hard hitting dps skill without much of a CD I can use to bleed my excess spirit.
http://i.imgur.com/oYE2i.jpg

EDIT - HA! My DH on inferno takes something like 15k per second when hitting arcane orbs dropped by elites. My monk takes 2k. Only thing is vampiric mobs tend to do more healing than I can on them so tthey take awhile to kill.

last edited by DM at 01:08:41 31/May/12
12:59am 31/05/12 Permalink
csirac
Brisbane, Queensland
2667 posts
My hc dh is level 43 and I'm s***ting bricks just thinking about fighting belial soon.

Every time I run into a hard hitting melee mob + mortar I s*** bricks.

Every time I get walled in with desecrate I s*** bricks.

Loving it!
01:30am 31/05/12 Permalink
defi
Wynnum, Queensland
2886 posts
DM, I am so jealous of your resistances. Thats from that passive isnt it? the one that brings all your resist up to all your resist??

Im at 500 resist all on my barb with 8k armor and down to 25k hp and 9k dps. So hard to sacrifice certain stats for others.
12:19pm 31/05/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4702 posts
I found a bunch of cheap armor (considering what some sell for) that had on average +40 arcane on top of the +50 all resistances, so it all quickly added up and then I used One With Everything which yeah, increases all my resistances to my highest one. Monks are lucky that unlike barbs, we only have to focus on 1 type of spell to gear against and it effects all our others.

Just downed the skeleton king and that was so pathetically easy (even youtubed it because why the hell not?). I just stood on the spot and tanked everything he threw at me, and my AoE wind spell took down the adds as they spawned.


01:33pm 31/05/12 Permalink
Space Ninja
Sydney, New South Wales
3532 posts
Is there a list anywhere of quests and how much XP is given by completing each one? I'm 55 on my Wizard and would prefer to do the same quest 2-3 times to level up

01:36pm 31/05/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4704 posts
On hell, go to act 2 then select Road to Alcarnus. Select the only quest there (speak to the guard) and load. You clear out the basement, then come out and kill those naga guards and quest done. 50k exp (on top of the 16k or so you get from monster kills) and you quit the game, and reset the quest and off you go again. I got my monk from 47 to 60 in 1 afternoon doing this. It gets slow but fastest way there is to level.
01:40pm 31/05/12 Permalink
Zapo
Brisbane, Queensland
2789 posts
I think I'm going to go heavy DPS on my main weapon, but then utility and survivability on the rest of my gear.

The problem is the AH is so freakin' expensive at the moment, and I'm not really finding anything decent. I think I will be running Act 1 for a while, which is fine becuase it's still FUN and INSANE :D :D
01:41pm 31/05/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19184 posts
I'm almost 54 and I'm only halfway through act 1 of Hell, so I'd imagine I should be 60 by the time I finish?
02:05pm 31/05/12 Permalink
Zapo
Brisbane, Queensland
2790 posts
I'm almost 54 and I'm only halfway through act 1 of Hell, so I'd imagine I should be 60 by the time I finish?

Yeah. Easy.
02:11pm 31/05/12 Permalink
Morax
Brisbane, Queensland
2269 posts
Hey DM, have you got anything past act 2 inferno? I'm trying to solo Belial as a Wizard, and can get close to killing phase 2, but just can't quite get to the easy part. Do you have something that can tank?
04:19pm 31/05/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4705 posts
Nah I havn't gotten past the SK since I like to do inferno in groups and all of them seem to bail at that point. Can try though next time i'm on.
04:32pm 31/05/12 Permalink
Morax
Brisbane, Queensland
2270 posts
I'm not even sure I have you on my list.. What's your gamer tag?
04:40pm 31/05/12 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
5637 posts
Nah I havn't gotten past the SK since I like to do inferno in groups and all of them seem to bail at that point. Can try though next time i'm on.

We sure do sorry! It's mostly because we start at silly hours where people want to eat and it takes ages to get past even SK. We've gotten just before the butcher before but it's so slow to move forward at times that when you come back next time you want to try the easier SK killing :P

Plus we're feeling all undergeared :D
I'm not even sure I have you on my list.. What's your gamer tag?

http://www.ausgamers.com/forums/general/thread.php/3207181
DM is there alphabetically :P
06:58pm 31/05/12 Permalink
Python
Sydney, New South Wales
1511 posts
07:17pm 31/05/12 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
16812 posts
hasnt played diablo 1 or 2? oh dear
08:06pm 31/05/12 Permalink
Scooter
Brisbane, Queensland
5887 posts
Finally started playing, Monk up to 9. Probably going to go pretty slow till my Bro can start playing. Did D2 with him from Go-to-woe. From my time spent in the Beta I plan to do Monk and DH. He will probably do WD and Wiz. Though I could be convinced to play Barb, didn't mind it.

Guessing Tankish character (Monk/Barb) would go well with his Girly man 'Run if something comes near me' play style. So Monk will be my main with DH on the side if I get bored of Melee.
08:17pm 31/05/12 Permalink
Morax
Brisbane, Queensland
2271 posts
If you guys need help getting through act 1 inferno i can jump in.. can fairly easily solo the entire act
08:18pm 31/05/12 Permalink
carson
Gippsland, Victoria
1516 posts
Finally started playing, Monk up to 9. Probably going to go pretty slow till my Bro can start playing. Did D2 with him from Go-to-woe. From my time spent in the Beta I plan to do Monk and DH. He will probably do WD and Wiz. Though I could be convinced to play Barb, didn't mind it.

Guessing Tankish character (Monk/Barb) would go well with his Girly man 'Run if something comes near me' play style. So Monk will be my main with DH on the side if I get bored of Melee.

Monk is my fav. Sitting on level 40 at the moment. Just hit act 2 nightmare.

I didn't like the WD. Seemed to be missing something that the druid and necro had that made them fun to play with pets.
08:21pm 31/05/12 Permalink
Damo
Brisbane, Queensland
6093 posts
lvl 42 barb in act II, just got to the ancient way crap..

lost count of how many times I've had to repeat quests just to get to the next part.
08:45pm 31/05/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
6802 posts
Monk is my fav. Sitting on level 40 at the moment. Just hit act 2 nightmare.

I didn't like the WD. Seemed to be missing something that the druid and necro had that made them fun to play with pets.

Yeah I found lack of pets a bit disheartening, though Demon Hunter has a pet skill which you can change with runes, though the Boar rune is just an exact model from WoW :S
09:25pm 31/05/12 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
5638 posts
lvl 42 barb in act II, just got to the ancient way crap..

lost count of how many times I've had to repeat quests just to get to the next part.
I quit my barb at 57, and continued my witchdoctor through to 60. His pets suck sadly, they cap out far before your level does as they don't scale strong enough with equipment. Even the garganun was being 1shot by blues and bosses before level 50.

However the barb is fundamentally tougher as he doesn't have strong ways to counter magic so things like arcane and freeze or jail combined would just be a wipefest. with nothing but frustration i took to the wd, because he has escapes, heals and lots of dots so kiting and clever positioning could at least give a fighting chance.

I died a lot lot lot less with him, finishing level 60 many hours before my barb even hit 57. I wouldn't put preconceivd notions of him being anything like a diablo 2 character in your head, if you play him to his strengths i think hell surprise you.
09:31pm 31/05/12 Permalink
carson
Gippsland, Victoria
1517 posts
I died a lot lot lot less with him, finishing level 60 many hours before my barb even hit 57. I wouldn't put preconceivd notions of him being anything like a diablo 2 character in your head, if you play him to his strengths i think hell surprise you.

I wasn't expecting him to be like the Druid of Necro, but he lacked something that they had that made them more fun to play. Maybe my play style has changed and I like getting in there more often now. I'll give WD another shot a bit later down the track, maybe when the AH has gems and stuff (cause you need them in Hardcore!)

I found that his pets died way too fast. That turned me off the most.
09:42pm 31/05/12 Permalink
Vash
3524 posts
just hit lvl 60 and soloed diablo easy in hell. but only after doing abit of shopping on AH. Now to hit up some inferno
10:31pm 31/05/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
6804 posts
Man I really hope I win this bid on a new hand crossbow, 124 DPS :S
08:22am 01/06/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12540 posts
Picked up a new weapon last night, +600 life on hit.

Totally changed my game for WD, is crazy good, at least for my build. It literally changed Inferno for me, where I was running around like chicken video I can now often stand my ground. I play in groups a lot and use AE, dots, hex, grasp of dead etc.

Each time Locust Swarm dances to a new target, I get healed for 200 life (33%). With the Devouring Swarm rune procing mana per target jump the cast is free in big fights making it a spammable mana and life potion basically. I also use Roll the Bones and every hit is 120 life every time it hurts someone - in tight groups this is very, very rapid healing.

Its just really fun having "oh s*** that hurt" mean I need to amp up the damage! Locust Swarm also seems to work on shielded and invul mobs as the life steal is on the jump, not the damage tick. Saved my arse a few times.

Details on how life per hit affects what for WD here:

https://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5271499223?page=1

Also, if you are an aussie and installed from the box, go to the BNet account page and change your region, download patcher. Doesn't install the WHOLE game again, a few Gb, but gives you breaking news and fixes the login/have to patch/game up to date cycle after patches.
09:00am 01/06/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
6805 posts
Bit sad that Witch Doctors have a good forum base, yet you go over to Demon Hunter and it is just full of whine on how bad we are now.
09:03am 01/06/12 Permalink
carson
Gippsland, Victoria
1518 posts
A new patch is out, but my game client wont download it so I cannot play. Even though it's live on the America servers (where my chars are). Blizz says in the latest patch notes that I have to wait till the patch is live in my region before I can update.

This has been complete bulls***. I can never play the game when I want too. Don't think I'll be giving blizzard any love in the future.

Edit: Even changing regions and stuff doesn't work. When I try to login it says it'll restart and download new patch, but nothing! Urgh. F*** you blizzard.
09:04am 01/06/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12541 posts
A new patch is out, but my game client wont download it so I cannot play. Even though it's live on the America servers (where my chars are). Blizz says in the latest patch notes that I have to wait till the patch is live in my region before I can update.

This has been complete bulls***. I can never play the game when I want too. Don't think I'll be giving blizzard any love in the future.

Did you install from the box? I had this problem, game thinks its Euro.

Log into BNet. Change your region for Diablo 3 to en-USA. Download installer, patch (won't take too long, isn't a full reinstall).

Voila, you can login.
Edit: Even changing regions and stuff doesn't work. When I try to login it says it'll restart and download new patch, but nothing! Urgh. F*** you blizzard.

Changing regions in game won't do s***. I had the problem this morning and can now login after re-patching following the above steps.
09:07am 01/06/12 Permalink
carson
Gippsland, Victoria
1519 posts
Did you install from the box? I had this problem, game thinks its Euro.

Log into BNet. Change your region to en-USA. Download installer, patch (won't take too long, isn't a full reinstall).

Voila, you can login.

I installed the CE edition from box. I cannot find where I change my region. It just says "global" under the D3 details.

Product Level

Diablo® III Collector’s Edition

Account Status

Active

Region

Global
09:12am 01/06/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12542 posts
You need to go into the downloads section, click on Install / Reinstall the game.

Then in there it will say en-EU or something, change it to en-US and download the US installer. You'll need to patch the US files but will be at 'playable' pretty quickly.

And you'll have breaking news too! I noticed it as soon as I started the game :)
09:17am 01/06/12 Permalink
carson
Gippsland, Victoria
1520 posts
You need to go into the downloads section, click on Install / Reinstall the game.

Then in there it will say en-EU or something, change it to en-US and download the US installer. You'll need to patch the US files but will be at 'playable' pretty quickly.

And you'll have breaking news too! I noticed it as soon as I started the game :)

Didn't work. It wanted to download the entire game again. I guess I'll just have to wait. Least I know never again to get a game that requires constant internet to play single player. This was the first and last time it'll happen.
09:48am 01/06/12 Permalink
ara
Sydney, New South Wales
3485 posts
mate and I killed the skeleton king in inferno last night with 5x NV buffs on, fight wasn't too hard. getting the 5 NV buffs was much harder.
09:49am 01/06/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12543 posts
Didn't work. It wanted to download the entire game again. I guess I'll just have to wait. Least I know never again to get a game that requires constant internet to play single player. This was the first and last time it'll happen.

Its not the whole game again. Its about 2Gb, and a few hundred megs to 'playable' - my install is 10Gb.

Just stop patching now, uninstall, sell your bnet account and never play the game again if its unbearable?

Bet you don't.
09:58am 01/06/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4706 posts
Yeah mine won't patch either. Downloading installer. Any notes on what this huge patch changes?

last edited by DM at 10:19:52 01/Jun/12
10:17am 01/06/12 Permalink
deeper
Brisbane, Queensland
4061 posts
Just a heads up in case people are having trouble with the latest patch as I did:

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5152415037?page=1


edit: sounds like you are DM, try that first before reinstalling ><
10:24am 01/06/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4707 posts
I was just coming in here to post that haha. It worked for me, 1 of the 3 entries was set to SEA.

EDIT - jesus christ they changed some tooltips and reduced some quest exp and that means it requires a 2.5gb patch?

last edited by DM at 10:29:45 01/Jun/12
10:28am 01/06/12 Permalink
carson
Gippsland, Victoria
1521 posts
Its not the whole game again. Its about 2Gb, and a few hundred megs to 'playable' - my install is 10Gb.

Just stop patching now, uninstall, sell your bnet account and never play the game again if its unbearable?

Bet you don't.

I will play it because I paid money for it. Didn't think it'd be this bad to play though.

Just a heads up in case people are having trouble with the latest patch as I did:

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5152415037?page=1


edit: sounds like you are DM, try that first before reinstalling ><

I'll try that. Thanks.
10:37am 01/06/12 Permalink
Mephz
Brisbane, Queensland
1065 posts
God, haven't played for a few days go to log in before work and get that patch issue.

Pathetic I even have to go through these hoops imo, How many people are out there who don't know/can't fix it, which is what makes it pathetic on their (blizzards) behalf.
ts not the whole game again. Its about 2Gb,
8.16Gb by doing your method.
This is stupid really.
Oh awesome now its started there is no escaping the 8.0gb download.
Thanks Blizzard.

last edited by Mephz at 10:45:20 01/Jun/12
10:39am 01/06/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12544 posts
8.16Gb by doing your method.

Was about 2Gb for me, and I hit 'playable' in about 3 minutes.

Shrug, f*** trying to help people, all you get is a sea of tears.
10:45am 01/06/12 Permalink
Mephz
Brisbane, Queensland
1066 posts
Shrug, f*** trying to help people, all you get is a sea of tears.
Why are you getting all emo?

Nobody is complaining about or to you.
Only Blizzard.

Personally I'm thankful for at least an option to fix it rather than waiting days for Blizzard to fix it.

last edited by Mephz at 10:52:04 01/Jun/12
10:49am 01/06/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12545 posts
Why are you getting all emo?

I didn't say it was at me. Irritating sea of tears is still irritating. Funny how I'm emo when you c**** are non stop whinging about the DRM. We get it, it sucks. There's nothing you can do about it. It won't change. Whinging won't help.

Do you need to express yourself or something?

I can get on skype and share a cup of camomile if its getting you down, sweetheart?
10:56am 01/06/12 Permalink
carson
Gippsland, Victoria
1522 posts
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5152415037?page=1

This worked for me (only after editing the hosts files). Though I am with Mephz. I shouldn't have to do this s***, especially for a game I played good money for.

Shrug, f*** trying to help people, all you get is a sea of tears.

Like Mephz said, no one is complaining about you. I tried your method but it didn't work, wanted to re-download the whole game. Something I don't have the bandwidth for. Blizzard are the ones who f***ed up.
11:00am 01/06/12 Permalink
Mephz
Brisbane, Queensland
1067 posts
What on earth are you on about.
Honestly mate your posts are just getting more and more passive aggressive towards everyone every needlessly these days.
11:01am 01/06/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12546 posts
Like Mephz said, no one is complaining about you. I tried your method but it didn't work, wanted to re-download the whole game. Something I don't have the bandwidth for. Blizzard are the ones who f***ed up.

So why do you need to bleat about it on the AusGamers forum? Why do I need to read your cries in between legitimately trying to help you?

The people having a cry on the official forums are at least closer to the target.
What on earth are you on about.
Honestly mate your posts are just getting more and more passive aggressive towards everyone every needlessly these days.

Passive aggressive? Nothing passive about it sunshine.

Its ok to cry about the DRM, but not ok to cry about the crying?
11:03am 01/06/12 Permalink
Mephz
Brisbane, Queensland
1068 posts
^ I think it's time for a Xanax dude. I think you're reading too much into it.

Anywhoo, off to work while it 'patches'. Thanks for the fix though Hogfather.

P.S.: F.you blizzard.
11:07am 01/06/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12547 posts
LOL man, you have no place telling anyone to calm down on this forum.

Jesus christ the irony.
11:27am 01/06/12 Permalink
Creepy
USA
1942 posts
Haters gonna hate.
12:19pm 01/06/12 Permalink
defi
Wynnum, Queensland
2887 posts
Back on topic.

Im looking for a 1 hand 800 DPS + Weapon, Pref with strength, vit, crit dmg increase and life on hit. Anyone got one for under a mill lol? Will pay rbj's. Pst Character Darb in game. I forget my hash tag name.
12:37pm 01/06/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12548 posts
Hmm I paid 450k for 650dps, 600 LOH, int and mana regen a few days ago, you may get lucky on the AH?
12:41pm 01/06/12 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
16813 posts
i'm after a 50 bag plz
12:42pm 01/06/12 Permalink
defi
Wynnum, Queensland
2888 posts
i'm after a 50 bag plz
I will also take one of these. Hoggy I have tried getting lucky and been very unlucky. I have hit buyout twice on two weapons that were put up way to cheap and missed both times.
12:44pm 01/06/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12549 posts
Christ that sucks man, I feel your pain.

I did a happy dance when my buy was successful :(
12:46pm 01/06/12 Permalink
Seven
Wollongong, New South Wales
1487 posts
I'm also looking for a 800+ dps 1H weapon, STR, VIT, life steal / on hit. Man, they are hard to come by. My 400 dps one is not cutting it in Act 1 Inferno :'(
01:13pm 01/06/12 Permalink
defi
Wynnum, Queensland
2889 posts
I'm also looking for a 800+ dps 1H weapon, STR, VIT, life steal / on hit. Man, they are hard to come by. My 400 dps one is not cutting it in Act 1 Inferno :'(
Bro do yourself a favor and grab a blue 700 dps one for 50k. Then just swap some strength gems out to vitality if you are loosing vit off your weapon. Thats what I did to get me through Act 1 inferno and now it is on easy farm mode.
01:29pm 01/06/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4709 posts
Looking for a weapon with 800+ dps and all those stats will cost you a few million. Buy a blue weapon with just lifesteal on it and take the stat hit for only a few hundred thousand instead.
01:51pm 01/06/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19189 posts
Even 450k sounds ridiculous, if stuff is still that inflated I might have to wait a while for the prices to come down before I can really do inferno, cos I currently have like 50k.
02:00pm 01/06/12 Permalink
defi
Wynnum, Queensland
2890 posts
Looking for a weapon with 800+ dps and all those stats will cost you a few million. Buy a blue weapon with just lifesteal on it and take the stat hit for only a few hundred thousand instead.
Lifesteal takes a 80% hit in inferno so is useless. Life on hit is pro. You think that they are all over a few mill for those stats but as I said I have seen 2 go up for sub 500k, but obviously got gobbled up.
02:21pm 01/06/12 Permalink
Space Ninja
Sydney, New South Wales
3536 posts
I've made a small fortune in the AH (250k last night) by selling random s*** I find in act 2-3 of Hell for 20k-30k each.

02:21pm 01/06/12 Permalink
Vash
3525 posts
the hard part is figuring out how much something is worth. would be awesome if they added a way to 1 click an item you have and compare it to how much its selling for in AH, so you can undercut them or whatever.
04:01pm 01/06/12 Permalink
Morax
Brisbane, Queensland
2272 posts
Finally got some decent upgrades on my wizard..

Stats are now
Damage: 52k (with magic weapon and 1047 dps 1h main)
Life: 25k
Armor: 3.8k (with force armor)
Attack speed: 2.03 aps
Resists: 280 (doesn't matter at all with this build anyway)
Run speed: 12%

Can 'almost' effectively run the beginning of inferno act 3 now
04:06pm 01/06/12 Permalink
Agamemnon
Brisbane, Queensland
1056 posts
I got to 52 on my barb last night and i am in Act 1, Hell Difficulty - the barb has more than 23000 hp, 4000 armour, does 3255 dps but i keep dying to some of the sneaky boss/imune mob combos...

I can drop back to Nightmare and read a book whilst owning Diablo... but these new mobs

Oh and I am sword and board after reading some recommendations on the blizzard forums

Do any of you have a barb that has successfully gone through these levels and could give me some pointers or something? Frustrating as hell to have pretty "current" gear only to die repeatedly to same mob
04:36pm 01/06/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4711 posts
While my barb is only lv 40, how well you do depends on your skill setups too and if you are flat out dps or not. For example my right mouse is Charge with Merciless Assault rune, because bowling through 5 - 10 mobs only to have your charge off CD instantly and being able to do it again is awesome. Good damage too. Nerves of Steel passive is also pretty much a must have on top of Tough as Nails as that combo will give you much more armor. 1 of the best tips I can give though is to find a weapon with a lot of +life on hit and put the highest level amethyst in there you can get since it gives +life on hit. That with frenzy will have you healing like a mad man. if you need a good one add me to friends and i'll give you a good one.

Using a companion when soloing? Some people don't but it makes things SO much better. For example for my barb I use the Enchantress with Charm, Powered Armor (15% more armor!), Erosion and Mass Control. Charm takes a single mob out of harms way for 5 seconds and MC chickens everyone in range which is great when an elite pack shows up to ruin your day. Those few seconds can save your life. Shes more about control than flat dps.

All that said though some combos will flat out kill you without question. Sometimes it's just bad luck since shielding/immune combos give everyone trouble.
04:48pm 01/06/12 Permalink
Vash
3526 posts
vitality seems to play a small part, Aga. I'm inferno act 1, lvl 60 barb and i got not much more life than you, and im surviving easily, but when i encounter a yellow with molten arcane invulnerable i gotta move around alot but eventually ill get them without dying.
05:04pm 01/06/12 Permalink
Nathan
Brisbane, Queensland
4018 posts
You need to get your resistances up, even if its at the expense of vitality
05:08pm 01/06/12 Permalink
Damo
Brisbane, Queensland
6094 posts
Finally lvl 50 and up to hell.
12:02am 02/06/12 Permalink
reload!
Brisbane, Queensland
6805 posts
barb sucks atm compared to other classes which have much better survival vs the dps they can deal. eats s*** as a tank especially in an environment that can only have four players.

also the fact that you are best off with cleave + rupture from what, like level 10? for the remainder of the entire game is a bit boring.
12:13am 02/06/12 Permalink
Damo
Brisbane, Queensland
6095 posts
I prefer bash over cleave, seem to do more damage.
12:14am 02/06/12 Permalink
reload!
Brisbane, Queensland
6806 posts
maybe 1v1 but in that case you're much better off with frenzy + whatever it is that adds dmg% per hit. you're stooged as hitting aoe and stooged for any dot attacks as hitting with rend f**** you for the associated passive skills you need with it. playing with barb is fun until the end of hell but you're really very limited to one style of boring play if you want to continue into inferno.

what do you reckon, defi?

compared to wd which has much better escpe abilities while still able to deal dps with very good survivability. barb is seriously gimped imo.

last edited by reload! at 00:19:33 02/Jun/12
12:18am 02/06/12 Permalink
Damo
Brisbane, Queensland
6096 posts
D2 Barb = Arnie's conan
D3 Barb = Jason Momoa's conan
12:25am 02/06/12 Permalink
Damo
Brisbane, Queensland
6097 posts
Are people on euro or usa servers?
01:07am 02/06/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4712 posts
Still fun though!
01:12am 02/06/12 Permalink
Scooter
Brisbane, Queensland
5889 posts
I'm on 'The Americas' Damo
08:53am 02/06/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12551 posts
Blue post of interest to WD maybe:
While the intent is for witch doctors to re-summon Zombie Dogs and Gargantuan fairly often, we agree that pets aren't living long enough in higher difficulty levels. Of course, the harder difficulties are supposed to be more challenging, but we don't think it's fun gameplay to cast Zombie Dogs, watch them die almost instantly, wait for the cooldown to reset, re-cast Zombie Dogs, watch them die almost instantly...etc. And this is happening even when players are wearing pretty reasonable gear.

We're looking into ways to improve witch doctor pet survivability at later levels, but we don't have any clear plans to share just yet. One thing we're considering, though, is having pets scale with your Vitality (which they currently do not do).
09:35am 02/06/12 Permalink
Thundercracker
Brisbane, Queensland
3208 posts
I'm surprised++ that pets don't scale. Shouldn't they have learned their lessons from games like WoW?
09:42am 02/06/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12552 posts
They do, especially with passives and runes, just not Vit.

Which is silly.
09:50am 02/06/12 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
5642 posts
Even 450k sounds ridiculous, if stuff is still that inflated I might have to wait a while for the prices to come down before I can really do inferno, cos I currently have like 50k.

Not really, like i said earlier in this thread;

When end game items drop, they're not like midgame items: they don't just end back up in the auction house 10 hours later as people upgrade, they get pulled out of circulation.

Which means that while all the lower grade stuff gets passed around a whole lot and can be picked up for anything between 2-10k for uber OP stuff, by the time you hit 60 be ready to fork out hundreds of hours of gridning gold, or get lucky.

Here's how supply and demand works; Heaps on heaps of people are getting into 60 with multiple characters now. Therefore huge demand. However, if you don't see an ultimate dps weapon, for you, or another class, drop while you're at 60, that means that supply must be low. If everyone found one, even if it was for another class, then they would all be selling them, getting roughly the price they need (minus blizzards 15% tax) for the one they want.

Therefore prices aren't inflated. Or at least, from the market perspective they're not inflated.

Because there is a god of this market - blizzard - you can say that the gods have inflated that market by lowering drop rates to artificially increase the worth of the items. Which if you were facemanning the situation, would say is an attempt to make the RMAH profitable.
I'm surprised++ that pets don't scale. Shouldn't they have learned their lessons from games like WoW?
Their damage scales perfectly. It's annoying that their HP doesn't. Considering one of the WD's passives is to pass 20% of his incoming damage to his pets, which means by 60, that is a dead skill, as well as every rune, passive and skill associated with dogs and garg. However, i still use the summon fetishes skill, with cooldown rune as it's off cooldown for almost every blue/yellow pack and they deal good damage and distract very well.

My major gripe again is the AH is missing very important searches.

For witch doctor you can't search for offhands Damage modifier, it's main most important stat. For Demonhunters you can't search for Attack Speed in offhands, it's main stat. There are others too but those two seem pretty important. If i've got a 15% attackspeed quiver for sale with a socket and 100 dex, i want it not to be lost 5 pages back behind similar quivers with only 10% attackspeed. :(

Edit: Khel, i suppose demand might drop as people stop looking at AH for items, as they get geared, but they keep finding good stuff, like their geared 60 is still being played but is geared.. Or as people's interest in the game gets turned to other games, but i suppose supply might drop too with that. Maybe if people stop rolling alts as often, which isn't everyones thing anyway, not everyone wants to get several geared 60's lol.
09:51am 02/06/12 Permalink
Thundercracker
Brisbane, Queensland
3209 posts
I'm still unsure if I should go two hander pew or 1 hander + shield into hell act 4 and beyond on my monk. I'l about to hit 60 so I'm keen to upgrade weapon to a level 60 one asap.
10:22am 02/06/12 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
5643 posts
Depends on your 1hander's.. IMO. I don't play a monk, but what i've learned from my barb is if you have one uber onehander, it's more DPS to stick with just one, and get a shield, rather than weild a second dull offhander.

There seems to be a penalty for dual weilding in probably attackspeed, probably around the 30% mark, so if you are slowing the good hand too much, then it's bad.

DM will have better advice overall though.
10:29am 02/06/12 Permalink
Thundercracker
Brisbane, Queensland
3210 posts
Yeah dual wielding affords a 15% attack speed bonus. The weapons are faster and hit for less damage so spirit generation is faster, but the spirit spenders hit for less.
10:35am 02/06/12 Permalink
Nukleuz
Perth, Western Australia
177 posts
Sword and board appears to be the only (viable) way to go for monks atm. Lots of complaining in general chat (in between gold seller spam) that 2H and dual wield aren't viable.
11:03am 02/06/12 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
5645 posts
Sword and board appears to be the only (viable) way to go for monks atm. Lots of complaining in general chat (in between gold seller spam) that 2H and dual wield aren't viable.

One of my starcraft 2 video casters defeated inferno with a 2handed weapon, has his diablo kill up on youtube?

I don't want to sound like blizzard are peaches and cream, but i think too many people want the game to be beaten no matter what they do "I want it so skills don't matter, i can do any skill and still win, i want to do any weapon and still win" etc. From normal to hell that reigns true, but if you really want a challenge, shouldn't inferno be about finding that perfect combination of weapons, skills, gear and strategy which progresses you to the end, and anything that falls a little short should be punished?

EDIT: I mean, not to say that obviously underpowered skills shouldn't be tweaked/changed to make them still fun, but 'winning' isn't about participation you know..]

edit2: also just realised he did a 2handed on a barb :D:D:D so you can ignore my point.
11:07am 02/06/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15236 posts
heh just read that the blizzard korean offices were raided by the korean fair trade commission for not giving refunds to customers experiencing all the errors preventing them from playing.
11:30am 02/06/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4713 posts
Yeah they take that s*** seriously in korea. As for 2 handers, they CAN be viable but you need higher level gear for it to make up for the loss of the shield, which is why many say just to avoid them. They don't usually do all that much more damage than a 1h anyway so i'd rather take the survivability of a shield over small damage boost. Then again you might find some build that is so unique and just flattens things that you don't need a shield.
11:41am 02/06/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19199 posts
Here's how supply and demand works


I understand all that, but it doesn't make what I said untrue, 450k for a "cheap" weapon of 1 million plus for other stuff is still ridiculous. Irrespective of whether thats a fair market price, its still a ridiculous price and I highly doubt I could be bothered wasting the time necessary to farm all the money needed to buy gear at those prices.
01:46pm 02/06/12 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
5650 posts
I understand all that, but it doesn't make what I said untrue, 450k for a "cheap" weapon of 1 million plus for other stuff is still ridiculous. Irrespective of whether thats a fair market price, its still a ridiculous price and I highly doubt I could be bothered wasting the time necessary to farm all the money needed to buy gear at those prices.

Sure, you might not bother wasting that time, but to say it's ridiculous is purely a selfish point of view, and one that may may hold true to some, but not others.

To get the cost to buy a million gold item often requires you to play the AH game if you want to be quicker at it, but if you're grinding the gold then naturally you're increasing the chances at finding other kinds of gear which may sell for between 50-150+ thousand gold.

Besides, the only thing that these 'ridiculous' prices are doing is stopping you from walking through inferno. 3/4ths of the aftergame is still available to you without the time investment.

Would you complain to BF3 that all your equipment isn't unlocked without that time investment? Would you complain to WoW about needing to raid for weeks on end before having the chance to get gear?

In my opinion, it's not something really to get angry over, or upset about, if you bought the game to finish on inferno without thinking that the time invested to get to the end of it wouldn't require that amount of time, i'd like to refer you to d2.

Edit: the point is the only thing that really has changed is instead of trying to get lucky with drops (although still possible, and a factor in how easy it is to come up with that gold) is the time is instead invested in getting the money for the equipment. Which in my eyes, means it's more accessible to the average gamer than previous games.

Edit2: Also if you want a challenge without that kind of time invested; go play HC mode, it's plenty entertaining!
01:52pm 02/06/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19200 posts
I'm not saying its ridiculous as some kind of judgement, I'm saying its a ridiculous state of affairs for gear to be selling at that price. I'm not angry or upset, I'm purely making a statement that prices are ridiculous? Same way that I would walk into EB and think "Wow, these prices are ridiculous, this merchandise is really not worth this much money". If I can't do inferno without spending hours and hours I don't have farming gold, then I wont do inferno, I don't have any pretensions about that and I'm not having some entitled whinge about how I should be able to do the endgame without the appropriate gear. Like I was just saying to hoggy before, if thats what is currently required to play inferno, I'll just make another character and play that instead and be happy.

If I was a student or unemployed or on holidays or something and had tonnes of time to play, then I might very well farm up the gold and stuff for the gear, but I just don't have that much time, and I'd rather not spend the time I do have doing such mindless tasks, I'd rather play the actual game :) Not that I'm like anti-farming and look down on it or something, I must have spent hundreds of hours over the years farming s*** in WoW, but it just comes down to the fact I've got maybe a couple of hours to play on a weeknight, and a few hours to play on the weekend, I'd just rather not spend the time farming. Maybe my opinion will change as I get more anxious to try out inferno, but at the moment I'd be just as happy to level up another character and try out another class.

And to be fair, theres a difference between time invested actually playing the game and advancing through content (such as your WoW or BF3 examples) and time spent mindlessly farming gold. I mean, I used to watch movies and stuff on my second monitor while farming in WoW, you know a game is failing to be entertaining when you need a secondary form of entertainment to keep you interested while you play.
02:58pm 02/06/12 Permalink
Vash
3527 posts
now in act 2 inferno as a barbarian and i take everything back. this sucks.
09:32pm 02/06/12 Permalink
Raisty
Brisbane, Queensland
241 posts
Just killed Belial on inferno mode with my demon hunter, its certainly one hell of a fight.

Glad to be away from the flies, sandfly swarms, firepot throwing cats, snakes, and act 2 in general. :)
10:32pm 02/06/12 Permalink
Damo
Brisbane, Queensland
6098 posts
bee shooting birds are f*****g f***** f*** f*** cnuts of a enemy
11:11pm 02/06/12 Permalink
Superform
Netherlands
7426 posts
If ur worried bout prices just wait a month or 2 till everyone is in act 4 then 1200 dos 1 handers will be 20k
12:30am 03/06/12 Permalink
Dodgymon
Brisbane, Queensland
2097 posts
I'm getting through Inferno with average gear but it's a case of skipping most elite packs unless I am in a decent group.
12:46am 03/06/12 Permalink
Dodgymon
Brisbane, Queensland
2098 posts
Also Khel use the price limiter as you can find a lot of good stuff for under 200k. Sometimes people don't know what stuff is worth but it gets snapped up quick sometimes.
12:48am 03/06/12 Permalink
Mordecai
Victoria
1353 posts
Agree with Dodgymon - there is some awesome gear for stupidly low prices. Picked up a 180 armour, 70ish dex (plus 3-4 other things on it) helm for my DH for under 3000.

Saw it and went "Buying that!"
01:45am 03/06/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
6830 posts
Wonder if we can get to 2000 posts... Also is it just me or is DH a bit less viable now. Taking me awhile to whittle down a mobs health compared to before the patch.
07:46am 03/06/12 Permalink
andrewus
Brisbane, Queensland
2763 posts
bit upset as I haven't had time to play - still lvl 11
08:23am 03/06/12 Permalink
csirac
Brisbane, Queensland
2668 posts
Wonder if we can get to 2000 posts... Also is it just me or is DH a bit less viable now. Taking me awhile to whittle down a mobs health compared to before the patch.

what level are you? upgrade your weapon. might be obvious but yeah.

my DH is nw 54 and rapes everything in hell, and all i did was buy a weapon off the ah for 10k. Literally rape the whole screen in 2 shots.
10:42am 03/06/12 Permalink
Damo
Brisbane, Queensland
6099 posts
Started a WD last night with Khel. It was a natural progression for me since in D2 I was Barb and Nerco.
11:40am 03/06/12 Permalink
parabol
Brisbane, Queensland
7028 posts
Why in the world does this game force you into General chat every f*****g time you log in?

Quite a lazy way of making the game more "social", and quite irritating as the useful text (quest info, whispers) is drowned out by the useless chat and spam - thanks to the tiny combined chat-box that makes it hard to keep track of anything.

Blizzard is getting more ballsy, incompetent and careless with every action. Just waiting for them to follow in the footsteps of EA and have launch-day $10-20 DLC packs that gives you some starter rare weapons/armor for each character you start while the early drops are reduced to pressure people into buying in.
12:10pm 03/06/12 Permalink
Mordecai
Victoria
1354 posts
Parabol hit the little cog above the chat window and hit leave general chat. First thing I do when I sign in. You will have to do it for each character you play and every time you play.
01:45pm 03/06/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
6835 posts
Blizzard is getting more ballsy, incompetent and careless with every action. Just waiting for them to follow in the footsteps of EA and have launch-day $10-20 DLC packs that gives you some starter rare weapons/armor for each character you start while the early drops are reduced to pressure people into buying in.
That is called the Real Money Auction House.
02:22pm 03/06/12 Permalink
groganus
Brisbane, Queensland
2322 posts
I've given up playing the game,

After hitting hell and running into countless champ/elite packs and only getting a s***** blue for a 10 minute fight I just CBF going on.

I feel like I've gotten my moneys worth though, played through the game about 5 times and had some good co-op moments with mates.

Don't see the point in continuing to play, there is a point when challenging goes from being fun to just being annoying.
All in all I think blizzard are pretty lame these days and I certainly won't be rushing out to buy there next game as this one has left a bad taste in my mouth.
02:47pm 03/06/12 Permalink
parabol
Brisbane, Queensland
7029 posts
Parabol hit the little cog above the chat window and hit leave general chat. First thing I do when I sign in.

I already know how to do this, and it does not address the issue of the annoyance of being logged into General chat automatically every bloody time.

Luckily I'm finding this to be one of the most boring games I have ever played, so I don't log into the game that often.
03:02pm 03/06/12 Permalink
casa
Brisbane, Queensland
4647 posts

How I feel trying to kill inferno belial
http://casa.nowuckingforries.com/ari_fist.gif
03:35pm 03/06/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12554 posts
I feel like I've gotten my moneys worth though, played through the game about 5 times and had some good co-op moments with mates.

....

I think blizzard are pretty lame these days and I certainly won't be rushing out to buy there next game as this one has left a bad taste in my mouth.

http://i.imgur.com/jNFqw.gif
03:41pm 03/06/12 Permalink
carson
Gippsland, Victoria
1527 posts
I don't understand their motive for putting everyone in general chat all the time.

I've given up playing the game,
All in all I think blizzard are pretty lame these days and I certainly won't be rushing out to buy there next game as this one has left a bad taste in my mouth.

Yeah, pretty much feel the same way. Though I think Hoggy gets upset when we badmouth Blizzard.

Maybe the pvp patch will give the game an injection of what is missing? Probably just wishful thinking.
04:38pm 03/06/12 Permalink
Jayman
Brisbane, Queensland
694 posts
I don't understand their motive for putting everyone in general chat all the time.


They're fixing it next patch. I expect a lot of UI / chat polish to come. D3 will be ever evolving.

I've been keeping track of all the small things that could be improved in Diablo 3
Thanks for that. We really appreciate everyone helping to provide constructive feedback, and rest assured we're taking a lot of it with us to meetings, design decisions, and many will be seen in not-too-distant patches.

I'm going to do my best to answer/address/comment on each of these points, and approach each as plainly and honestly as possible, so please bear with me.

1) As a player, I want to have some sort of warning and/or confirmation box when I'm about to do something that will cause me to lose Nephalem Valor stacks so that I don't accidentally move or change an ability and lose my stacks.
Sounds reasonable. We're adding in an action bar lock which should help with that, but a confirmation sounds like a possible addition to that. I think we'd like to try to see if the action bar lock works well enough first.

2) As an Auction House user, I want a checkbox for "buyout only" so that I don't have to use a janky work-around.
Us too! This change should already be in for the 1.0.3 patch.

3) As an advanced player, I want the option to show numerical cooldowns on my abilities so that I can better time them.
We're really trying hard to avoid quickly bloating the game options, and since this would be an option, we're cautiously approaching it and a few other toggle/option requests. Short answer, probably not right now.

4) As a player, I want to be able to move and resize the chat window so that I can put it where I want it.
We would love if this was possible too, and we're right now looking into making it happen. The issue is that our UI system was designed in a way that makes this a pretty steep technical challenge. The question right now is just when we'd be able to pull it off. Unlikely for any nearby patches.

5) As a player, I want to be able to increase or decrease the font size in the chat window so that I can make it better for my monitor/resolution.
This change is in for patch 1.0.3! Yay.

6) As a player, I want to see absorption effects on my health bar so that I can easily see and act on my remaining absorption shield.
We really want to avoid showing health numbers or effects on the health resource spheres, it's just a UI clutter issue we're really trying to fight right now. A lot of easy solutions are to pile more UI on top of things, and it tends to really snowball once it begins. We could look at other tells or effects for this, though.

7) As a Wizard, I want to see a buff icon for "Magic Weapon" and "Familiar" so that I can know its current status.
We're adding a buff icon for Magic Weapon in 1.0.3. We don't intend to add one for Familiar as it's a physically visible object on your screen. Magic Weapon was actually impossible to tell if it was up in quite a few cases. We'll be continuing to watch skills and buff icons, though, as there could be some situations where we need to expose more.

8) As a player, I want some way to retain my stacks of Nephalem Valor when I accidentally disconnect so that I don't feel terrible if I disconnect with a 5-stack before a boss.
We would love that too. Seriously. We're already in the process of determining how much work it would be, and as always it's a balance of priorities. I think this is a matter of not if, but when, and right now we're not sure when we could get it in.

9) As a player, I want a way to disable lore/story text from showing up in the chat frame so that I don't have to always scroll after an in-game conversation.
This is actually already an option in-game! :D Sound -> Show Quest Dialog In-Chat (is what I believe it's called)

10) As a player, I want to have my previous follower always automatically follow me whenever I start a new single-player session so that I don't forget and have to go back.
Good idea. We'll look into it.

11) As an Auction House user, I would like to be able to repair my items from the auction house so that I can sell them without going in the game.
We're just changing it so you can sell damaged items in the next patch.

I personally think buying an item on the AH that is damaged is a major annoyance.
Ah yes! Right so when you buy it, it's repaired for you.

12) As a Blacksmith, I want to see what tier an item is before I salvage it so I can know what materials to expect.
It’s something we’ve talked about, but no concrete plans at this time. There are potentially better issues to focus on first for crafting in general.

13) As a player, I want my pets/minions to not attack invulnerable targets and instead focus on vulnerable targets so that I can kill things faster.
Yes! We're looking into how to pull this off. It's a bit tricky just due to how monster states work, but it shouldn't be too difficult.

14) As a player, I want the experience bar to hide once I hit the maximum level so that it doesn't take up unnecessary screen space.
Our UI really isn't modular, so it'd be a lot of work just to save those few pixels. There's probably more important fish to fry at the moment.

15) As a player, I want to see what difficulty my friends are playing so that I can know if I'll be interested in joining them.
We have some great social window and quick join improvements coming in 1.0.3, including showing the game difficulty they're in, who else is in the game with them, a bunch of just nice usability and UI changes, as well as making the quick join window smarter by limiting who is shown to you by level and difficulty.


16) As a new player, I want to be made aware of "elective mode" once I've become familiar with the game so that I can learn about and try more advanced builds.
It's already shown through the loading tips, but we're looking to also add it as a tutorial tip that will show up whenever you begin a new difficulty from Nightmare-on.

17) As a player, I want it so that only my accepted friends can autojoin my game so that I don't get surprised by "recent players" that aren't my friends while playing.
Huh, well, yeah that sounds like a reasonable request. We'll look into it.

18) As an advanced player, I want the option to show numerical values around my health and power orbs so that I can make better decisions.
(see answer for number 6) I understand there's a desire to see more numbers exposed, but again we're really fighting UI and option bloat from all angles. I think a lot of additions are inevitable, but the game just came out 3 weeks ago and we're looking at a product where we'll be adding and tweaking for years and years.

19) As an Auction House user, I want to see a detailed view about all steps in the buying/selling process so that I can know exactly what the status on my purchase is (ex: "XXX Gold paid for YYY item, (newline)YYY item received, (newline), YYY item sent to stash")
I'll pass that along.

20) As a player, I want the game to automatically hit my next-best-potion type when I'm out of my current potion type so that I don't have to reassign it during a long fight.
Yeah, we think there could be some 'smarts' added to the potion button too. It's on a wish list, we don't know when it's something we could prioritize into an update.

21) As an Auction House user, I would like tooltips for damaged items to still show the item stats when looking at them from the sell menu so that I don't have to log into the game to see them (maybe just put "damaged" somewhere on the tooltip?).
I believe this is resolved with the ability to sell damaged items in the next patch.

22) As an Auction House user, I want to be able to have ascending/descending orders by stat in the Auction House UI so that I can better find an item I want.
We're looking at a number of AH UI improvements; there's still a ways to go. The biggest issue is really adding more options when we're already running into space constraints, but that's our problem, and we're working on it.

23) As a player, I want a "build saver" so that I can easily change between builds rather than trying to remember them.
We think that'd be cool too, it's something we've been considering for a while. We don't have it nailed down to begin working on it yet, though.

24) As a player, I want integration between the website's "build saver" and an in-game build saver so that I can screw around with builds while not logged in.
Hah! That'd be cool. Probably on an extended wish list. ;)

25) As an advanced player, I want to be able to move, scale, or hide any UI element so that I can make the UI convey me information in a more customized fashion.
Our UI isn't modular, so this would be very difficult. We also don't intend for the UI to be customizable to the degree of... well certainly not World of Warcraft, but any options we add for UI customization would be along the lines of minor tweaks. I realize a lot of MMO's have very customizable UI's these days, and people really like that, but it's just not a focus of functionality for the game. We'd rather understand what improvements people would like, why, and try to tackle those specific issues.

26) As a player, I would like some way to get Tomes of Jewelcrafting in Inferno that's not cumbersome so that I can combine my square gems without going back to Hell difficulty.
Ideally it's something you can help address through just throwing some gold at the auction house if you don't want to go back to Hell, but with commodities being down I realize that's not an option. Our preference would be to see if use of the AH helps you meet those needs by just buying what other players don't need. If not, we can look at some potential solutions.

27) As a player, I want a "Detailed Breakdown" option that allows me to compare stats such as resistances, magic finding, etc. so that I can better analyze item choices.
We're planning to roll resistances into the defense comparison, and we'll be evaluating other comparisons case by case. We know people really like the convenience of quick +/- red/green comparisons, but they're not always as informative as they're taken to be. In any case we're approaching additions cautiously.

28) As a player, I want a private chat UI element so that it will be easier for me to hold multiple private conversations at once.
Similar to question number 4 it's not something we're opposed to, but isn't easily pulled off due to how our UI works. We do want to improve the chat UI though, absolutely.

29) As a player, I want to be able to have a private chat room so that me and my friends can chat even if we're in different Diablo sessions.
Customizable/private chat channels, yes, it's something that's been on our list.

30) As an advanced Auction House user, I want a more complex query interface with "OR"/"AND" for stats so that I can better find an item I want to buy.
These are called boolean search terms, right? It's an interesting proposition. To parrot my previous AH-related responses, there's a lot of search improvements to be made.

31) As an Auction House user, I want to be able to see the stats of items that I've sold so that I can refer to previous sales when determining prices for new sales.
I can see how that could be useful.

32) As a ranged player, I want invulnerable minions to not block projectiles so that I can actually kill an invulnerable minion pack. (More of an opinionated one :-P)
Yeah, I mean, that's kind of just an issue of placement and projectile aim. We think Invulnerable enemies are a bit ridiculous right now anyway, but I wouldn't say this suggestion is probably needed if we just make some overall changes to them.

33) As a player, I want to be able to disable companion conversations so that I'm not annoyed hearing them all the tim
GLORIOUS!
We're well aware. ;)

34) As a max level player, I want an option to skip all cutscenes/dialogue so that I don't have to constantly press the spacebar to advance in the current game flow.
If you hit Esc during any 'forced' conversations, cutscenes, etc. you can skip right through them. We think it works pretty well. I'd be open to hearing any specific issues it's causing, though.

35) As a player, I do not want my followers to initiate combat with elite, rare, or treasure goblins so that I can have more time to prepare to fight them.
We have some AI tweaks to do with followers, we know this can get pretty annoying (or deadly).

PHEW! Well, again, thanks for compiling that, thanks to everyone for your continued feedback. There's a lot here we're already aware of, working on, or have already implemented in a patch, and I realize there are a fair amount of other concerns not covered here that are also being addressed. We'll have some additional information on upcoming patches and improvements in the weeks ahead. Keep cool.
04:55pm 03/06/12 Permalink
Vash
3530 posts
Here's to inferno "evolving"
Barb cannot survive without relying on gold farm to buy items that are unobtainable in act 1 & 2. i can't be bothered farming millions of gold just to finish inferno.
04:58pm 03/06/12 Permalink
Thundercracker
Brisbane, Queensland
3211 posts
I need a silent mouse. Wifey shares the study and she actually has to do work, and normally is studying during the odd chance I have to play d3. The clicking is driving her crazy :P
05:03pm 03/06/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
6836 posts
If Torchlight 2 were to release right now, they would make a lot of money off people who have gotten a bad experience from Diablo 3.

I can't necessarily agree on how difficult inferno is because I'm only level 40, but even then I'm still feeling a lack of wanting to login. I don't know why, but maybe I'm just over aRPG's. Or maybe it's because I'm just older now, and Diablo 1 and 2 offered something different and new, where as Diablo 3 offers nothing really new except some WoW based mechanics and UI.

Or maybe I'm just starting to become a cynical old man even though I'm 21...
05:16pm 03/06/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19208 posts
Glad they're making improvements to the social window, its really annoying having to mouse over ever single person who's online to see what character they're playing, and what level they are, and then extrapolate what difficulty they're playing.

I'd also really like the ability to broadcast a message to your whole friend's list like you can in WoW. That way you could do something like "Anyone keen to do Act 4 Hell" or whatever and get a full game together easier.
05:23pm 03/06/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4715 posts
I'm gonna finish leveling my wizard so I can farm like this

05:37pm 03/06/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12555 posts
Its interesting that on the one hand they are massively pushing their Social Network and on the other hand failing to implement basic social s*** like chat properly, to the point where core UI decisions hurt the social experience.

That whole 'our UI is bad, we herr derr'd it sorry' is super cringeworthy and unlike Blizzard.
I'm gonna finish leveling my wizard so I can farm like this

Looks like more like a function of 128k DPS than a class thing :)
05:40pm 03/06/12 Permalink
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Wynnum, Queensland
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05:40pm 03/06/12 Permalink
Jayman
Brisbane, Queensland
695 posts
I can't necessarily agree on how difficult inferno is because I'm only level 40, but even then I'm still feeling a lack of wanting to login. I don't know why, but maybe I'm just over aRPG's. Or maybe it's because I'm just older now, and Diablo 1 and 2 offered something different and new, where as Diablo 3 offers nothing really new except some WoW based mechanics and UI.

Or maybe I'm just starting to become a cynical old man even though I'm 21...


As a huge fan of D2 and someone who played it a lot i feel kinda in the same boat. Over the first 4 days I played quite a lot but not as much as a lot of other people i know. Had a LAN with mates on the Saturday, levelled together, got to level 59, and had a great time. But since then for some reason have barely logged on for about a week and a half now and still not 60.

I don't even have any complaints about the game. It's just like a thought it would be and yet it's not sucking me in like I thought it would. Most of the people complaining about Inferno would also be b****ing if they'd beating it by now.

After hitting hell and running into countless champ/elite packs and only getting a s***** blue for a 10 minute fight I just CBF going on.


Thats fair enough but also more or less what D2 was like. It's a farm game, endless farming and you'd love it (in D2). Problem is it's just not as enjoyable now for whatever reason (for me anyway).

The most annoying thing for me is that, I see no reason why D3 in it current form couldn't have been released 3 or 4 years ago, and back then I would have lapped it up. The long wait has soured me I think. Too much expectations.

That said! I could see myself getting into it latter on and going through a big D3 phase. I'm just not feeling it right now.
05:40pm 03/06/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19210 posts
I see no reason why D3 in it current form couldn't have been released 3 or 4 years ago


Well, to state the obvious, it wouldn't have been in its current form 3 or 4 years ago, its only in its current form because of that 3 or 4 years of work.
05:43pm 03/06/12 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
16823 posts
I see no reason why D3 in it current form couldn't have been released 3 or 4 years ago


mind = blown
05:48pm 03/06/12 Permalink
Jayman
Brisbane, Queensland
696 posts
Well, to state the obvious, it wouldn't have been in its current form 3 or 4 years ago, its only in its current form because of that 3 or 4 years of work.


They started working on D3 in what? 03-04? then scrapped the project, then waited a couple of years, then started it up again. To me it feels like they're just way behind where they could have and should have been. While its great they're working on the chat / UI / game improvements mentioned in the huge wall of text I posted before, that kinda crap should have been sorted ages ago.
06:00pm 03/06/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
6839 posts
I think it is more so that other developers have made better aRPG's, and Diablo 3 is to me behind the times. It lacks a lot of finesse that Torchlight or Path of Exile offer with updated mechanics and more choice. Maybe that is the main reason why I'm so meh on the title, is that it doesn't offer a larger amount of choice, and that I don't have that feeling of "oh no, did I choose the right skill then". Sure having the ability to quickly switch out skills and runes is nice, but maybe that simplicity is what ultimately killed my enjoyment.
06:23pm 03/06/12 Permalink
Jayman
Brisbane, Queensland
697 posts
I think it is more so that other developers have made better aRPG's, and Diablo 3 is to me behind the times. It lacks a lot of finesse that Torchlight or Path of Exile offer with updated mechanics and more choice. Maybe that is the main reason why I'm so meh on the title, is that it doesn't offer a larger amount of choice, and that I don't have that feeling of "oh no, did I choose the right skill then". Sure having the ability to quickly switch out skills and runes is nice, but maybe that simplicity is what ultimately killed my enjoyment.


Yea the lack of consequences without going to the extreme of hardcore mode takes something away.
06:40pm 03/06/12 Permalink
d^
Melbourne, Victoria
1005 posts
Eorl, Titan Quest had an option where if you happened to get the wrong skill, you could buy a point back for gold and respec it. I have no idea why diablo 3 didn't use this. The game is so different from what it promised to be:

07:29pm 03/06/12 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
8019 posts
I don't understand all these 'the UI is limited' comments, I would have thought the features asked for would almost be a standard affair for an online game these days.

Looking forward to Torchlight 2 though!
07:36pm 03/06/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19211 posts
I didn't realise by releasing early gameplay videos that they were promising anything. So would you prefer a development process where you see no updates about the game and no gameplay and no information on anything until right at the end? Personally, I like seeing updates as it progresses.

I can't believe people are now complaining that Diablo 3 doesn't have the option to pick the wrong skills. This is an ACTUAL thing now. It blows my mind. And it doesn't offer enough choice? Maybe you should define what you mean by "choice", because obviously you don't mean the bazillion different combinations of skills and runes you can choose from.

If you don't like the game, fine, you don't like the game, but it just sounds like people are reaching too far to invent reasons not to like it now.
08:10pm 03/06/12 Permalink
reload!
Brisbane, Queensland
6814 posts
in terms of usable combinations of skills, especially in hell/inferno, it becomes fairly limited
08:35pm 03/06/12 Permalink
Agamemnon
Brisbane, Queensland
1058 posts
my 58 barb is happily accepting any half decent armour./weapons/jewellery donations :P
09:19pm 03/06/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
6842 posts
Khel, I think it's more so that with the amount of skills/runes I currently have as a level 40 Demon Hunter, I haven't really changed since beginning the game. There is still that set of "must have" skills, especially some of the passives where some are just simply filler. While there is a lot more choice I must admit, it has an opposite affect to me where I don't actually feel like I really have a choice.

Sure in Diablo 1 and 2 cookie cutter specs came about, but not this early on and especially weren't as "important". I could still play a Necro with completely obscure point layout, yet still be viable and enjoy my gameplay. From what I'm reading online and seeing personally from one of my friends is that a DH at level 60 in inferno is using a pre-set skill list and isn't changing at all.

So all these years that Blizzard said "we have completely changed the gameplay where no one skill is dependant for progression" no longer rings true. Couple that with the very broken (read: spiked instant kill damage) inferno mode and it just seems very amateur for Blizzard.

Though do take this as just my opinion, I in no way expect everyone to have to agree with me.
09:44pm 03/06/12 Permalink
Frag
Queensland
1933 posts
Not exactly the most exciting first Legendary find

http://i.imgur.com/UX1RZ.jpg
10:07pm 03/06/12 Permalink
parabol
Brisbane, Queensland
7031 posts
I can't believe people are now complaining that Diablo 3 doesn't have the option to pick the wrong skills

I think they are referring to the fact that there's virtually no skill hierarchy.

You can pick a skill and then a rune, that's it. No specialisations, no points to put towards vitality or strength or intelligence or whatever if you decide you want to be a super-magic wizard at the expense of lower health. Everyone with the same character gets the same skills and runes at the same level. You can swap them out at any time without penalty, meaning there's less uniqueness about your character. Your uniqueness is basically what you're wearing - which can all be purchased from the AH meaning your gear is even less unique as you didn't get it from a drop.

Some call it "streamlining". That's a fancy way of saying "dumbed down" from its predecessor, which is closer to the truth.
10:07pm 03/06/12 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
16825 posts
the internet will always find something to complain about
10:11pm 03/06/12 Permalink
Scooter
Brisbane, Queensland
5891 posts
I was getting ~1k latency last night, I though that was worth complaining about.
07:32am 04/06/12 Permalink
defi
Wynnum, Queensland
2891 posts
Soooooo Barbarian update.

Block affects all damage.....
You can increase block with certain rings, helms, belts. Almost works like a power word shield that blocks certain attacks. Mines up to about 34% with a shield that's 28% chance to block.

The passive "Superstition" also gives you the chance that 20% of the time you will completely absorb a damaging attack. With block it makes things so much better.

My Stats are now:
30khp
12 000 dmg
450 resist all (Pre War Cry)
8500 Armor (Pre War Cray)
34% Chance to block
13% Chance to dodge

Running Both armor passives and superstition. Act 1 is a cakewalk (Certain Champion Hulks aside), and im starting to do well in Act 2 as well. Killed Magdha easy and just cruising through.

I am looking for the following if anyone has.
Helm of Command (Has Block %) Legendary Helm
Justice Lantern (Has Block %) Legendary Ring
String of Ears (Has Melee Dmg Reduce %) Legendary Belt
Maras Kaladiescope (Has Melee and Missle Dmg Reduce %) Legendary Ammy
Stormshield (Has increased Block %) Legendary Shield
One hand weapon - Any 1 hand weapon over 700dps with +350 life per hit or more.

If anyone has any of the above, let me know and we will work out a deal.
08:24am 04/06/12 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
6976 posts
Did Belial for the first time last night with three of us, then practically two-shot the lord of gluttony with a Mage and WD.
08:40am 04/06/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19212 posts
Khel, I think it's more so that with the amount of skills/runes I currently have as a level 40 Demon Hunter, I haven't really changed since beginning the game. There is still that set of "must have" skills, especially some of the passives where some are just simply filler.


That sounds to me more like a problem with the way you play it than a problem with the game. I swap my mage abilities and runes around all the time cos I love experimenting with new combinations and new abilities. If you're under the impression there is "must have" skills then it sounds to me you've just read too many internet sites about min-maxing your character and are under the impression thats the only way you can play it. Thats just not the case in anything pre-inferno. Inferno is a different story sure, its all about perfecting your spec and your character, but anything before that, there really isn't too many "If I don't take this ability with this rune then my character is gimped" situations. If you're not playing around and experimenting with different abilities then you're missing out on a whole lot of fun.

Theres really two games here, theres the way you play 1 - 60, and the way you play Inferno. And you're doing it wrong if you try and apply Inferno strats to normal 1 - 60 play or vice versa imo.
10:02am 04/06/12 Permalink
defi
Wynnum, Queensland
2892 posts
Khel, its refreshing that some-one else thinks the same way.

Sure, there is "Cookie Cutter" builds but honestly you can change up the way you play a thousand different ways, with a few different skill / gear changes here and there. Or you can go with a hybrid spec's and have fun also. Sure you may not have the "Best Damage" or "Best survivability" but if you are playing the way you want than why not try it out.

Even though I use a very Tanky spec and gear for progression, I have built a 2 hand, melt faces build as well for Act 1 Inferno slaw!!! Thats what Diablo 3 is all about, f*** BIS (Best in slot), put on some gear, kill some s***, get some sweet ITAMZ.
10:32am 04/06/12 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
8022 posts
I sometimes change skill setups depending on the mob I'm about to take on..
10:41am 04/06/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12556 posts
I sometimes change skill setups depending on the mob I'm about to take on..

I used to do that a lot before the Nephalem thing.

Its not too bad though, you just have to choose a spec for your game session. I usually jump in with something broad and then tune it depending on the group makeup. You really need to remember to port up to town when you do it though, having half your skills on a minute long cooldown makes you look and feel like a stupid do-nothing bastard in a dungeon :p
10:48am 04/06/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19213 posts
Pretty much the only ability I've kept on my bars constantly since I got it was Archon, cos I just love it. But now in Hell (and I'd assume Inferno too) its starting to become less useful cos I have no access to my defensive abilities while in Archon form and s*** just kills me.
11:03am 04/06/12 Permalink
defi
Wynnum, Queensland
2893 posts
Pretty much the only ability I've kept on my bars constantly since I got it was Archon, cos I just love it. But now in Hell (and I'd assume Inferno too) its starting to become less useful cos I have no access to my defensive abilities while in Archon form and s*** just kills me.
Lol. Existence was doing the exact same. Got to Act 3 Hell and bye bye Archon.

11:40am 04/06/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12557 posts
Lots of people I know are calling it quits at Act2 Inferno.

Its a funny thing, people don't want to re-run the story for a single act over and over. Its s***ful and I get it, replaying the whole game is one thing but the exact same area over and over is the f*****g pits. Its not an objection to needing to invest time replaying content (after all the same people sat through the exact same story 3 f*****g times already), its the lock factor into Act 1 Inferno with no hope of a serious upgrade from drops, just grinding the s*** out of gold basically.

It really needs to be experienced to be understood, I'm on record as quasi-defending it but I think it needs work. I will likely grind it out but so many people I play with just won't stick with it that I feel like its a serious problem.

My idea is that the game in story mode should have an essentially linear progression with increasing dependence on the AH as you move through Hell and Inferno if you want to avoid replaying Acts. But just stacking wtfpwn on Inferno Acts is no longer the ultimate end game. This can be easily done by just making s*** you need for Act 2 drop in Act 1 semi-reliably, and so on through the Inferno Acts.

The actual end game should be specially-crafted heroic versions of the events and dungeons you play through, rather than just doubling the wtfpwn for each act in Inferno.

You access Heroic Events by choosing them in the quest selector once you kill Diablo on Inferno mode (killing him is the first heroic achievement that unlocks selection of the others). When in heroic mode the game spawns with NO F*****G QUEST S***, just pops you in town at the right act, the heroic version of the event is forced to spawn and the closest waypoint to the event in yellow on the waypoint list. You just bash your way to the event or dungeon and start it.

Perhaps once all the heroic achievements are done you can spawn Heroic Inferno versions of the Act bosses. Who knows.

Anyway, Diablo gets its crazy difficult end game, we get a relief from the same area grind (as the increasing difficulty of the events is spread all over the content you can find yourself in any point in the game's background story for a specific event) and the s***** redundant quest just f**** right off as a reward for completing Inferno.

Adding and extending the end game via content patches would be a LOT easier as they just need to craft events rather than tooling entire acts for difficulty, and there's lots of events out there that coudl be heroic'd!. Some of the events could be really seriously epic with added stages and objectives.

Just my 2c.
12:08pm 04/06/12 Permalink
casa
Brisbane, Queensland
4649 posts

I wouldn't give a f*** farming for items, but farming act 1 for gold to buy items from the AH to do act 2+, that dont drop in act 1 is f*****g pathetic imo.

They have structured the entire game around the AH, and the AH itself is s***** and lacks huge amounts of function.

That and at the crux of inferno level (read: Belial) the difference in a 0ms ping if I was playing a regular single player game, and a 250-400ms ping is what factors into being able to do most encounters.

Farming act 1 over and over, doesn't bother me at all, it's why I'm farming it which is what f**** me off.
12:14pm 04/06/12 Permalink
casa
Brisbane, Queensland
4650 posts

Additionally, act 3 is miles easier than act 2. F*** act 2 and all their s***** teleporting, jumping, and vanishing mobs with mortars and bees that shoot bees for a trillion damage.
12:15pm 04/06/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12558 posts
I giggled a little at bees that shoot bees.
12:18pm 04/06/12 Permalink
defi
Wynnum, Queensland
2894 posts
I agree. The fact I cant find an upgrade in Act 1 and have to buy one is starting to any me. I can see myself getting tired of playing already. The way I look at it, is its all level 60 content, dont scale the drops from Act 1 from worst to best in Act 4, give us a chance to find an item in act 1 that will last to act 4.
12:18pm 04/06/12 Permalink
Thundercracker
Brisbane, Queensland
3212 posts
I think I have about 50 hours played on my monk now. I'm into inferno act 1 but still farming hell to upgrade gear.

The game is definitely a different beast than d2. In many ways it is better, but it has it's own unique flaws.

The skill system is leagues above Diablo 2. If people can remember back to the history of Diablo 2 they might realise that the skill tree and stat allocation was pretty broken. Basically what happened after release is that people found very powerful builds and stat allocations. Blizzard then re-tuned hell mode in 1.09 or 1.10 to actually suit these builds. So what that meant was that if you then didn't have a cookie cutter spec, you basically had no chance in hell. You also NEEDED a friend in hell unless you played a necro.

Also remember the sheer hours of farming mephisto (over and over) for a piece of loot to get you through hell, and how you needed a sorceress for MF runs. The game force you into very specific builds/class/gear to progress properly. Since there was no AH, there was no progression other than getting a semi-decent drop.

One of the complaints I have about diablo 3 is the pace of the game isn't as crazy fast at d2. This is more of a personal preference but some of the crack addictiveness of diablo 2 was the sheer hordes of monsters and how insane the pace was.

D2 also had progressively bigger dungeons as you got into harder difficulties. Call me a glutton for punishment but the dungeon size of the maps in D3 is small in comparison, and I like large randomised dungeons to clear.

There are balance issues but that aside, the other downside seems to be the "end-game". Bliz need to set up big difficult road-blocks through inferno so the game has some longevity, but people then see that as too sharp a difficulty jump between acts. Having to farm just act 1 is going to get old quick.

Game strategy changes as the game focuses more on elite/champ packs which can catch people out thinking that they just don't have what it takes to progress, when in fact they just need to gear up a bit more and establish a more defensive build.

I just hope they have more content around the corner.

TL;DR: 9/10
01:03pm 04/06/12 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
16827 posts
and how you needed a sorceress for MF runs


that was one thing that really pissed me off about diablo 2 was needing a MF sorceress to be able to get anywhere and all the wankers with their pindle bots
01:07pm 04/06/12 Permalink
carson
Gippsland, Victoria
1528 posts
01:11pm 04/06/12 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
6977 posts
One thing I miss about d1 is getting to choose whether to stack int, dex, str etc. now it's chosen for you. That's kinda 'sigh' IMO and woulda given more variety.
01:13pm 04/06/12 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
16828 posts
DIABLO: CAN YOU TELL I'M A GIRL THIS GAME??? I CAN'T STOP TALKINGGGGGGG

DIABLO: LOOK TYRAEL, UR OWN LIEUTENANT

TYRAEL: WAIT, HOW DID IZUAL COME BACK?

DIABLO: CHRIS METZEN MADE IT HAPPENNNNNNNNNN



f*****g LOL carson
01:18pm 04/06/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4716 posts
Yeah his link was a lol read. Also agree with the comment there

Honestly, Zoltan is the best guy in this game. He wants humans to be as powerful as angels and demons and everyone else tries to stop him. He tells you that something is up with the soulstone and the first thing the player does is kill him? I'm on Zoltan's side.


He could of been such a good character and like the new Deckard but since it was apparently 4:55 on a friday they said f*** it, just kill him the second you finish your 2 hour long quest to revive him.
01:21pm 04/06/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19215 posts
One thing I miss about d1 is getting to choose whether to stack int, dex, str etc. now it's chosen for you.


Its like Thundercracker said though, its not like there would be any actual choice involved, it'd just be reading the internet to see what the best build is and using that, or face being gimped and not able to actually do the content. So I guess that is a choice of sorts, but a pretty s***** choice.
01:22pm 04/06/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19216 posts
Yeah, the story is a bit all over the place. Parts of it make more sense when you do all the conversations and read the lore books, but its still not much of a story. At least it explains stuff like how the Butcher isn't one dude but a type of demon, so theres lots of them (hardly the biggest flaw in the story though).
01:30pm 04/06/12 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
16829 posts
i prefered the idea that the butcher was just 1 bad ass mofo from diablo 1 that scared the s*** out of you and that was that
01:39pm 04/06/12 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
5654 posts
The game is definitely a different beast than d2. In many ways it is better, but it has it's own unique flaws.
Exactly what i think. I have probably already played this a lot more than D2. I'd say i'm pretty addicted to this game flaws and all.
01:56pm 04/06/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4717 posts
Just found this. Shame I didn't find it when MY DH was lv 40 or something and not 60.

http://i.imgur.com/9ssbl.jpg
02:15pm 04/06/12 Permalink
AtAri
Brisbane, Queensland
4 posts
Just a head's up for you D3 fans - My account was looted last night of all gold by what would seem to be one of the many bots making the round. I normally run a pretty tight system (have been a bit lazy recently) security wise and have never before had an game account compromised.

Allegedly the authentication measures reduce the probability of this so make sure you have one in place. Another point of practice should be changing your password at least once a month.

You have been warned -
by a friendly lurker.
02:27pm 04/06/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12559 posts
Just a head's up for you D3 fans - My account was looted last night of all gold by what would seem to be one of the many bots making the round. I normally run a pretty tight system (have been a bit lazy recently) security wise and have never before had an game account compromised.

Blizzard's account security is similar to other game companies. The problem is that there are very few games where the accounts worth the effort of ransacking. Blizzard games are the gold standard for RMT, especially on launches, so there is a lot of real money to be had.

If you play D3 you should have an authenticator.
02:33pm 04/06/12 Permalink
parabol
Brisbane, Queensland
7032 posts
Allegedly the authentication measures reduce the probability of this

I don't think anyone with an authenticator was subject to this particular hack doing its rounds.

So yes people, get the free mobile authenticator app!
02:36pm 04/06/12 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
6978 posts
Additionally, act 3 is miles easier than act 2. F*** act 2 and all their s***** teleporting, jumping, and vanishing mobs with mortars and bees that shoot bees for a trillion damage.

Yeah, while I'm only starting Act 3 in Normal, I'm finding it so much easier than Act 2. I think what makes is so much easier is that because I regen mana for every hit I do damage, and the mobs are so much bigger, it's just a massive slaughterfest - since I'm rarely low on mana.
03:25pm 04/06/12 Permalink
skythra
Brisbane, Queensland
5656 posts
Im farming act3 over and over in hell difficulty;
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg195/skythra/heroaim.jpg
That item dropped and it just sold for 500 000golds, making my farm very profitable.

It took about 20minutes on the AH to sell. :)
03:31pm 04/06/12 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
16830 posts
how are people getting their accounts `ransacked`

brute force password attacks?
03:33pm 04/06/12 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
6979 posts
Nah, hijacking the session IDs from the AH.
03:58pm 04/06/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19219 posts
That session id hijacking stuff is just nonsense that someone made up, its already been debunked.

I'd say people are getting their accounts hijacked through a combination of malware accquired through whatever source, or using compromised login details, ie, same email address and password as was used on another site that has been hacked. Was reading an article last week about a guy having a whinge cos his account was hacked, and then he went on to admit he used the same email and password for his battlenet account that he did on PSN when PSN was hacked. Nice way to be secure!

Theres probably some other fringe cases and causes, but the session hijacking stuff is certainly bulls***.
04:10pm 04/06/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
6846 posts
I would like to see that proof Khel. Not calling you out on it, but I have yet to find any info that it isn't possible, and Blizzard has kept a tight lip on things.
04:55pm 04/06/12 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
16831 posts
i thought blizzard themslves debunked it saying it was just people who had been pwned by keyloggers etc
05:02pm 04/06/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4719 posts
As hog said, have an authenticator. Me and him joined a public game together awhile back and I joked around saying if I get hacked it's his fault, and he got raw on me, so I put an authenticator back on my account.
05:03pm 04/06/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19221 posts
I'm sure I saw a blizzard blue post about it a few days ago where they said (and I'm paraphrasing cos I don't have it handy) "Thats just not possible with our network architecture". I'll try and find it again later, don't remember exactly where it was I saw it, possibly on MMO champion.
05:03pm 04/06/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12560 posts
As hog said, have an authenticator. Me and him joined a public game together awhile back and I joked around saying if I get hacked it's his fault, and he got raw on me, so I put an authenticator back on my account.

That was a joke?

F*****g hell, your delivery is universally deadpan. What else do you joke about that I don't know about?!
05:10pm 04/06/12 Permalink
reload!
Brisbane, Queensland
6816 posts
it's safe to assume that if anyone get's hacked it was definitely hoggy's fault
06:35pm 04/06/12 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
16832 posts
question for any WD fans out there, is anyone using the fetish army skill effectively? i gave it a go a while back and found it fairly useless, though my character wasnt as good as he is now
07:35pm 04/06/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12561 posts
question for any WD fans out there, is anyone using the fetish army skill effectively? i gave it a go a while back and found it fairly useless, though my character wasnt as good as he is now

Its good for VQ builds, otherwise a bit pointless.
07:37pm 04/06/12 Permalink
Superform
Netherlands
7430 posts
i just kicked off a HC toon...

i cant see it making it through inferno..
07:24am 05/06/12 Permalink
dais
Brisbane, Queensland
9236 posts
01:04pm 05/06/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12565 posts
i just kicked off a HC toon...

i cant see it making it through inferno..

Inferno? Act 1 nightmare, if you're lucky ...

HC is a lot like this :)
http://i.imgur.com/ffTUL.gif
01:16pm 05/06/12 Permalink
Jim
UK
12918 posts
you can tell there's no way that happened from a plane flying into it ^^
01:33pm 05/06/12 Permalink
Agamemnon
Brisbane, Queensland
1059 posts
Well i hit lvl 60 tonight and made it into Act 4 Hell, but i am being completely owned by those elites just after you start Act 4 - must have tried 6 times

I have been actively gearing up with resists gear but am still missing a good chest piece and a good 1h weap so if any of you find something half decent with decent resists/vit/str for the chest and +life on hit/str/vit for a 1h weap for my barb... and dont want too much for it, i will love you long time :P

Failing that, can anyone recommend a good place to farm cash for me?

(also i had to bump this thread, as if let it fall off the front page?! hehe)
12:03am 06/06/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12567 posts
Drop from act1 inferno tonight:
http://i.imgur.com/dJhj3.jpg
Guess its worth farming the joint after all.

I'll be on tomorrow Aga, had a good group tonight so wanted to get a few Butcher runs in :)
12:36am 06/06/12 Permalink
Dodgymon
Brisbane, Queensland
2100 posts
Are you going to sell those hoggy or keep them?
Also I have found myself starting to use Archon again now that I do 22k b4 buff and over 35k with archon damage on elites otherwise I am running around like an idiot for 10 mins blizz and hydra and novaing all the time while running away from elites.

At the moment haven't played act 2 for a few days because I am trying to tank up my firends to get them to the same stage because all the pub players on act 2 inferno just suck.
01:04am 06/06/12 Permalink
IVY_MiKe
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory
1055 posts
lol @ the reference to an early days Blizzard IP in that set name Hoggy!
06:06am 06/06/12 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
6984 posts
What gets me is Blizzards mentality that uniques shouldn't necessarily be better than blues. And while that's true to some degree, surely a complete set should be better than anything you can find?

Surely items should have set bonuses like +20 damage or +100 vitality.
08:30am 06/06/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12568 posts
What gets me is Blizzards mentality that uniques shouldn't necessarily be better than blues. And while that's true to some degree, surely a complete set should be better than anything you can find?

Surely items should have set bonuses like +20 damage or +100 vitality.

Like the one I found? :)

A lot of the comparisons are apples and oranges. When we get the Item Level information for drops we can make a fair comparison. For example, this (AH suggestion this morning lol) is pretty f*****g awesome and would have a good iLvl:
http://i.imgur.com/egtV7.jpg
The nature of the drop distribution is we're probably seeing lower level uniques compared to higher level blues (despite both being required level 60). Obviously a lower item level unique should be inferior to a higher level blue. Hopefully they'll get the iLvl on the tooltip soon...

Oh and I think I'm going to wear my pants for a while at least!
08:55am 06/06/12 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
6987 posts
A lot of the comparisons are apples and oranges.

ISWYDT ;)

Hopefully they'll get the iLvl on the tooltip soon...

Yeah, they've already said they're adding this tooltip in 1.0.3
09:00am 06/06/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12569 posts
ISWYDT ;)

It WAS kind of awesome, wasn't it!

My gripe at the moment is gem costs. The best I can find in Act1 are flawless square. To make a Star Topaz from here:
30 per perfect, need 9 (270k, 27 tomes)
50 per radiant, need 3 (150k, 18 tomes)
80 per star (80k, 9 tomes)

Total - 500k, 54 tomes

I gather they are reducing these costs, but heard from a friend that this is mostly geared to the tome cost. Tomes aren't the problem imo, they drop well enough, its the gold that has to be hoarded for the AH upgrades to progress.

I guess I'm not supposed to seriously combine up to Star in act1? Is a lot more reasonable at 30k per gem if I settle for Perfect..
09:30am 06/06/12 Permalink
parabol
Brisbane, Queensland
7036 posts
Just finished the game on Normal, didn't die once.

Went with AH purchases as the loot was utter s*** for 95% of the game. Actually I didn't find a single item for a level higher than me - in other aRPGs you usually need to level until you can use some items, not so here apparently!

Have Blizzard biased the drops to be for 5+ levels below you so that you jump into the Auction house to sell them and buy more suitable stuff? Because once the RMAH is up, Blizzard will pretty much be printing money as they dictate the rules of the drops (for pre-Level 60 I mean). I would love to see statistics of the drops to see if there's also a bias towards dropping less items of your class so that you spend more time in the AH.
09:44am 06/06/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12570 posts
I have seen items drop that I had to wait a while to use as I was levelling, and was partway through Hell before I needed to seriously make use of the AH.
09:45am 06/06/12 Permalink
sandman
Brisbane, Queensland
88 posts
I just did the Pony level with my alt Monk for the first time earlier, I was level 25 and some of the rare drops were 4 and 5 levels above my level.
After leaving I was only getting level 13-24 drops, I think I might take my 60 WD and just farm the Pony level on hell until I have enough gear to try inferno Whimsyshire.

Has anyone else noticed this?

11:20am 06/06/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19236 posts
You need to finish a difficulty, and then pay gold to upgrade your staff to be able to access that difficulty of Whimsyshire. I think the hell version of the staff costs something like a million gold, and then you'd have to beat Inferno before you could even make the Inferno version.
11:32am 06/06/12 Permalink
sandman
Brisbane, Queensland
89 posts
Ugh..Hell will be possible, not sure about inferno then.

But in saying that, if the gear in Whimsyshire is better level wise, I might be able to gear better for inferno acts 1/2? hmmm have to see.

Thanks Khel.
11:38am 06/06/12 Permalink
Scooter
Brisbane, Queensland
5897 posts
He was planning to farm it on Hell, not Inferno.
11:38am 06/06/12 Permalink
Nathan
Brisbane, Queensland
4019 posts
It seems odd that set pieces seem to drop even less frequently than legendary... (Ignoring the debate over rare's being better than either) Good luck assembling a set of them. The bonus for doing so seems pretty lame too given how frickin difficult it will be.
01:17pm 06/06/12 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
16837 posts
i don't know if it is the same but in diablo 2 there was always 1 item in particular in each set that was the rarest to drop and the rest of the set wasn't as rare.

they were all still rare to drop but if something from that set was to drop it was usually always the same peices of gear
01:35pm 06/06/12 Permalink
Damo
Brisbane, Queensland
6106 posts
I remember when trying to the immortal king set for the barb in D2 it was a b**** to find armor or the helm. The moment I had the set, I was able to make 4-5 complete IK sets after that.
02:29pm 06/06/12 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
16838 posts
did you farm to get it or trade?

i couldnt even contemplate the amount of hours needed to farm a set like that yourself it would border on impossible
06:34pm 06/06/12 Permalink
Damo
Brisbane, Queensland
6107 posts
First set was partly given to me then everything else I had to farm. Well I farmed and followed the bots. But still took a bloody long time to get the pieces.

last edited by Damo at 18:48:10 06/Jun/12
06:40pm 06/06/12 Permalink
reload!
Brisbane, Queensland
6820 posts
server shutdown FUUUUUUUUUUUU
managed to pickup 2 rares on my inferno butcher run but it disconnected before I could grab the rest :(
10:03pm 06/06/12 Permalink
Dodgymon
Brisbane, Queensland
2101 posts
Khel I have a hell pony stick if u ever wanted to tag along let me know.
IMO it is not really worth the 500k but I got a couple of decent items a few days ago where previous to that every pony level I di was utter crap.
10:09pm 06/06/12 Permalink
reload!
Brisbane, Queensland
6821 posts
I was under the impression this was a tuesday night thing... why tonight?
10:15pm 06/06/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19243 posts
Yeah sure, I'd be up for that sometime, but I still haven't finished Hell difficulty yet or got to 60, having a lot of trouble solo with my Wizard now. Well, only really having trouble with elite packs, but yeah, I die a lot. Could just be my gear though.

Was just about to log on for a few hours and the servers are down for maintenance, crappiest timing ever.
10:15pm 06/06/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4724 posts
I was under the impression this was a tuesday night thing... why tonight?

Because f*** australians that's why. This isn't an urgent patch and far as I see doesn't really fix anything major so there is no reason it couldnt wait till tuesday
10:20pm 06/06/12 Permalink
Seven
Wollongong, New South Wales
1491 posts
The main populace are sleeping so it makes sense to have us whine instead of them. Logging into the asian server now.

edit: haha not bloody likely with 600 ms ping.

Also, reload: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5578594951#1
10:25pm 06/06/12 Permalink
reload!
Brisbane, Queensland
6822 posts
there was a "major" update less than a week ago.. what could possibly be so important they have to shaft us so soon :(
10:29pm 06/06/12 Permalink
parabol
Brisbane, Queensland
7039 posts
6 HOURS of maintenance, again!?

Are they completely incompetent? That's barely 96% of uptime over a week. If an ISP was that bad with availability they would be out of business. But hey "they're improving the game", so it doesn't matter amiright?

What requires that many hours anyway, and also requires all the servers to be down rather than being backed up on the fly through database-style queries and insta-patched - or have sort of VM migration/handover?

Do they have a single IT guy on the payroll who has to wipe the servers and reinstall Windows every week or something.

last edited by parabol at 22:42:56 06/Jun/12
10:41pm 06/06/12 Permalink
reload!
Brisbane, Queensland
6823 posts
what a staggering list of changes....

When logging into Diablo III, the "Cancel" button which appears in the login checkbox will now be grayed out for 30 seconds after a Battle.net account name and password are entered. This is to reduce server load during the login process.

then why even have the f*****g thing?!
10:50pm 06/06/12 Permalink
Jim
UK
12920 posts
haha yeh that's always been a mystery to me parabol starting with wow - why are they down for sooooooooo looooooooong
11:12pm 06/06/12 Permalink
Agamemnon
Brisbane, Queensland
1060 posts
big thanks to Hoggie for running me through Act 4 tonight, appreciate it mate, you're a champ :)
11:36pm 06/06/12 Permalink
Morax
Brisbane, Queensland
2273 posts
thanks for the link d^... Patch 1.03 actually looks really sexy! Can't wait to play around with it.
12:58am 07/06/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4725 posts
Me and Hog, as well as Me and Pave got the development hell feat of strength tonight. Took a bit of map farming but least that's out of the way now.
01:01am 07/06/12 Permalink
reload!
Brisbane, Queensland
6826 posts
interesting changes there, most good imo.

don't like the idea of dying being any more or less expensive than it is atm. having to either run back to where you were if you can't be res'd and having to actually goto town to repair every few deaths is punishment enough.

also the massively reduced cost of gems up to flawless square only is s*** imo. nobody is building stars from chipped, you're looking at doing it from minimum flawless square drops or maybe square at worst. so basically that changes nothing.
01:03am 07/06/12 Permalink
DM
Gold Coast, Queensland
4726 posts
summed up version

- no more 2 yellows from inferno bosses @ 5 NV stacks, only 1. However each champ pack with full stacks will always drop 1 yellow. Good, this is a buff.

- Repair costs will be going way up from a slight annoyance to something you want to avoid. They are thinking 4x or 6x the current cost.

- Attack speed stat nerf so it is'nt a required stat. Many tears will be shed I wager.

- Inferno act 2, 3 and 4 nerfs. Knew it would happen. I fear they will over-nerf it and make it a cake walk. This is mostly a gear issue which the next point would solve on it's own but we'll see. S*** best be hard still though.

- Drop rate on ilv 61, 62 and 63 gear buff. Could be good, could flood the market and make things too damn easy.

- Gems combining costs are insanely low now. Lv 2 - 8 gems are next to nothing. Good for people who horded flawless upward.

- They are removing "bonus monster damage per additional player in a coop game" whatever the f*** that means.
01:18am 07/06/12 Permalink
csirac
Brisbane, Queensland
2669 posts
interesting changes there, most good imo.

don't like the idea of dying being any more or less expensive than it is atm. having to either run back to where you were if you can't be res'd and having to actually goto town to repair every few deaths is punishment enough.

also the massively reduced cost of gems up to flawless square only is s*** imo. nobody is building stars from chipped, you're looking at doing it from minimum flawless square drops or maybe square at worst. so basically that changes nothing.


there is far too few consequences for softcore (sc) players when they die. Running back is punishment? right.

the costless deaths have basically lead to the economy being totally f***ed on sc. People running in and chain dying to farm pony inferno to get drops is f*****g stupid and not intended. DH'ers running around with 20k hp and 100k dps so they can do as much dmg as they can before dying = stupid. Less people trying to farm content they're not ready for the better.

That said the sc economy is already inflated beyond fixing, as expected just like in d2.
01:21am 07/06/12 Permalink
csirac
Brisbane, Queensland
2670 posts


- They are removing "bonus monster damage per additional player in a coop game" whatever the f*** that means.


atm for every person in the game, mobs do x% more dmg. (i think its 15% per person). its why you dont see any parties farming later acts in inferno... its just s***. so by removing it they want to promote ppl playing together. good change imo.
01:22am 07/06/12 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
6995 posts
IMO, it should have been from the start, blue chars drop blues, yellows drop yellows... etc.
09:19am 07/06/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12571 posts
IMO, it should have been from the start, blue chars drop blues, yellows drop yellows... etc.

Nah, this is Diablo, Legendaries can drop from under rocks! Literally happened to me :)

I like everything about this coming patch. I'm a little bummed that I won't play through Act2 in insane mode but f*** it, I'd rather them smooth it out than be in a situation where for a long time Act2 will be the Act we don't speak about.

That said the sc economy is already inflated beyond fixing, as expected just like in d2.
Yeh, s*** gets more expensive faster than I earn gold!
09:43am 07/06/12 Permalink
Nathan
Brisbane, Queensland
4020 posts
Hit 60 Tuesday night after some help from Jim. I think I'll wait until 1.03 is out before getting into Inferno.
12:38pm 07/06/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12575 posts
Hit 60 Tuesday night after some help from Jim. I think I'll wait until 1.03 is out before getting into Inferno.

Act 1 is pretty tame, you should be fine as long as you can chicken dance ;)
01:33pm 07/06/12 Permalink
reload!
Brisbane, Queensland
6831 posts
getting pretty sick of running butcher for 300dps trash :(
03:17pm 07/06/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12576 posts
Yeh weapon drops are 100% worthless in Act1, anything less than 600dps is totally unsellable to level 60s because dps is so central to all actions.

I've had some luck selling armour though.
03:45pm 07/06/12 Permalink
dais
Brisbane, Queensland
9253 posts
04:07pm 07/06/12 Permalink
reload!
Brisbane, Queensland
6832 posts
shame I can barely get a hundred meters down the road into act 2 without being eaten either :(
the sooner 1.0.3 happens the better
04:34pm 07/06/12 Permalink
dais
Brisbane, Queensland
9255 posts
I thought Covetous Shen sounded familiar!
08:03pm 07/06/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
6866 posts
I actually just watched an episode of the new Scooby Doo and it had his voice actor, was like holy crap Mulan and Diablo 3!
08:34pm 07/06/12 Permalink
Damo
Brisbane, Queensland
6115 posts
can buy wirts bell but dont have 100k
09:34pm 07/06/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19247 posts
Haha, Covetous Shen is Lo Pan from Big Trouble in Little China! When I first heard him I immediately thought Big Trouble in Little China, then thought nah, all exaggerrated asian accents sound like they're from Big Trouble in Little China, but thats awesome, its actually him!
10:00pm 07/06/12 Permalink
Nathan
Brisbane, Queensland
4021 posts
Covetous Shen is definitely my favourite character from the game
08:39am 08/06/12 Permalink
dais
Brisbane, Queensland
9257 posts
My thoughts exactly Khel :]
12:56pm 08/06/12 Permalink
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03:31pm 08/06/12 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
16852 posts
man i just discovered locast swarm yesterday, holy crap how good is it
04:24pm 09/06/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12582 posts
Its great, I was really sad when I took it off my bar.

In the end, I needed 1-4 as defensive abilities, and couldn't give up splinters or firebomb. Also you have to get in kinda close for the first hit of the dot which can be foolish in Inferno :)
04:39pm 09/06/12 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
16853 posts
wow so your only attacking skills are darts and firebomb?

i dont think i will be able to give up my firebomb/acid cloud combo
06:02pm 09/06/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12584 posts
wow so your only attacking skills are darts and firebomb?

i dont think i will be able to give up my firebomb/acid cloud combo

Yeh, my build looks like this atm: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/witch-doctor#ahURZQ!ZWe!aZcaZY . Button #4 is swapped out a bit depending on group etc.

YMMV (especially if the economy significantly shifts with the 1.03 changes and iLevel 62+ becomes cheaper) but in Inferno I've found that having multiple ways to get out of trouble is more important than having lots of ways to do damage :)
06:36pm 09/06/12 Permalink
Python
Sydney, New South Wales
1522 posts
07:14pm 09/06/12 Permalink
shad
Brisbane, Queensland
3738 posts
So anyone else noob up like I did and drop the staff of herding on the ground?
09:08pm 09/06/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15285 posts
so did anyone here buy a russian key?

It seems that as of today (Jun 8th, 2012), Battle.net is imposing regional language restrictions, forcing players to play Diablo 3 in their “native client language”.

Upon login, players running Diablo 3 on a language different from their region are being prompted with Errors 81, 82 or 84. All of them read as follows: “The client does not match the accounts native language. Please, use the game native client”.
09:12pm 09/06/12 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
16854 posts
haha python

interesting choices hoggy

id personally still go my firebomb + acid cloud i think if i had to have 4 other defensive skills

you still got grasp to deal damage too

i use spirit walk too for when things get tricky you can just GTFO when you need to
09:23pm 09/06/12 Permalink
Superform
Netherlands
7432 posts
they hot nurfed Tyreal today.. o well.. the sad part is i only today got to seigebreaker so i could use tyrial.. i stayed up till 4 am farming with him.. 5 hours later it was nurfed.. lol
10:04pm 09/06/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19275 posts
So anyone else noob up like I did and drop the staff of herding on the ground?


Yep, I did that, when I was at the blacksmith salvaging all the blues I had in my bag, and I just automatically throw white gear on the ground without even looking at it, figuring it was just random s*** I picked up. Luckily I noticed though before I left the game and was able to pick it up again, but I'm very careful now to keep it in my stash in a completely different place to where I keep gear I'm going to sell/get rid of.
10:14pm 09/06/12 Permalink
Morax
Brisbane, Queensland
2275 posts
Has anyone managed to solo Belial inferno yet? I can get up to phase 3 every time, but also die every time to those acid pools or his hulk smash because of lag :\
10:41pm 09/06/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12585 posts
interesting choices hoggy

id personally still go my firebomb + acid cloud i think if i had to have 4 other defensive skills

you still got grasp to deal damage too

Thing is that at 60 you have to be doing damage to single target bosses and champ packs as you can't change skills due to NV stacking.

Splinters is the best single target spell WD have, and runed Grasp + Roll the Bones is more than enough AE dps.
10:58pm 09/06/12 Permalink
Thundercracker
Brisbane, Queensland
3213 posts
I'm running a reasonably defensive build, 1 hander and shield with my monk:

Build
03:45pm 10/06/12 Permalink
dais
Brisbane, Queensland
9278 posts
Tyrael was piss-weak when I finished Normal today. Nearly as bad as the templar with late game gear.

I don't understand why the followers are so weak even when they have good weapons and decent stats. Aside from some of their skills they are practically useless. Couldn't they have just put more enemies on the screen or something?
06:53pm 10/06/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19279 posts
Starting to get frustrated with my Wizard, on Act 3 Hell now and I just feel useless. Just dying over and over again, and if I come accross an elite pack with invulnerable minions, I just quit and restart from the last checkpoint because its impossible for me to kill them. Shame, cos I was really enjoying it up till now, but this is seriously killing the fun
07:35pm 10/06/12 Permalink
csirac
Brisbane, Queensland
2672 posts
You need to AH some gear Khel, with the right gear, Hell should be a total breeze.

Having played hardcore thoroughly, it's obvious a lot of softcore problems stems from people leveling too fast and before you know it you're in s*** you're not ready for, but thanks to being able to come back people keep trying to bash their way through. I guess its a problem with how the game is paced. But when you have only 1 life to play with you spend 3x longer getting your gear ready. If people just played it more patiently there would have been a lot less whinging about balance (however, inferno is still pretty stupid for hardcore a2+)

My first playthrough was my monk, and i powered that really fast and i was dying like 5 times every elite pack by Act4. This time on my hardcore guy, im just raping the whole place and being able to take 10+ hits before using Cooldowns etc.

Take it slow, farm some gold, get better gear, everything should be easy before inferno.
08:07pm 10/06/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19284 posts
Yeah, I probably do need to AH better gear, but I keep wasting my money on the Blacksmith heh. Can't really blame anyone for that, but I just can't help myself, its like gambling I think "Maybe this time I'll get an item with really good stats!" and before I know it, there goes all my money.
10:20pm 10/06/12 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
16860 posts
i did the very first round of upgrades on the blacksmith and then i had a look at the auction house and realised the blacksmith was a complete waste of gold
10:31pm 10/06/12 Permalink
csirac
Brisbane, Queensland
2674 posts
The blacksmith isnt worth it until you're like late inferno with really good recipies like armour piece + 6 random properties.

Until then you're doing yourself a huge disservice by blowing 20k+ on a craft when you could buy the item that you want for 20-50k on the AH. Pre 60 gear is cheapppppp as.
10:32pm 10/06/12 Permalink
dais
Brisbane, Queensland
9282 posts
So...

I finally finished normal with my Barbarian. Now I want to play Nightmare with a Demon Hunter. But after I create my character there doesn't seem to be an option to change the difficulty. Does this mean I have to play through normal again to access nightmare with a new character?

You have got to be f*****g joking Blizzard. I'm not doing that.
10:43pm 10/06/12 Permalink
csirac
Brisbane, Queensland
2675 posts
So...

I finally finished normal with my Barbarian. Now I want to play Nightmare with a Demon Hunter. But after I create my character there doesn't seem to be an option to change the difficulty. Does this mean I have to play through normal again to access nightmare with a new character?

You have got to be f*****g joking Blizzard. I'm not doing that.


lol.. welcome to the Diablo franchise...

How do you expect to do nightmare with a level 1 DH?

But seriously, that's how it has worked since Diablo 1. Maybe a different game is better suited for you.
10:46pm 10/06/12 Permalink
dais
Brisbane, Queensland
9283 posts
F*** me that is f***ed. So I have to play through the game 20 times to complete each difficulty setting with every class.
10:49pm 10/06/12 Permalink
dais
Brisbane, Queensland
9284 posts
There had better at least be different enemies on the next difficulty.
10:50pm 10/06/12 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
16861 posts
ah as mentioned, how would you expect to start a level 1 character in hell difficulty ?

and nope, no different enemies.
10:51pm 10/06/12 Permalink
csirac
Brisbane, Queensland
2676 posts
There had better at least be different enemies on the next difficulty.

nope

They hit harder and have more affix combinations. I think you missed the memo that came out as to what the game is about.

Its not the destination...its the s*** you get along the way.
10:52pm 10/06/12 Permalink
dais
Brisbane, Queensland
9285 posts
Oh well I guess it makes sense. They should have done more to spice it up though.
10:54pm 10/06/12 Permalink
scuzzy
Brisbane, Queensland
15379 posts
Those f*****g wasps with illusionist piss me the hell off
11:24pm 10/06/12 Permalink
dais
Brisbane, Queensland
9286 posts
The new difficulty is quite a step up. I nearly died a few times before Leoric but managed to make it (with a full party).

The Wizard is really powerful with that laser beam.
12:50am 11/06/12 Permalink
Damo
Brisbane, Queensland
6122 posts
lvl 49/50 WD now and starting to get kinda respectable with it. Need to fine tune my skills a bit better to get more out of him.

Hopefully get to Hell ACT 2/3 tomorrow evening.
01:14am 11/06/12 Permalink
Thundercracker
Brisbane, Queensland
3214 posts
Khel it wasn't till I hit hell that I needed to change up my build and gear to accommodate nasty elites/champs.

You basically need a get out of jail free ability, plus some crowd control of some form.

Resistance on gear is a must as well, and make sure you have a decent amount of armor. If all else fails, trade off some damage for a shield.
08:37am 11/06/12 Permalink
do0b
Brisbane, Queensland
4342 posts
f*****g bees shooting bees / illusionist jailer morter is imposible !
09:35am 11/06/12 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
7020 posts
I'm still playing through two charactors in Normal, so all this talk of Hell and Nightmare difficulty is still a way away from what I'm up to. I'm playing both a Mage and Demon Hunte,r and both are up to level 30, give or take a level. I've been playing one through the quests, then going bac to the other char and doing the same quests.

What I noticed early on that was the DH was practically easy mode, unti I got to act 3. The DH just smashed through anything and everything that was thrown at it. Butcher was baasically 3 shots, Belial was a piece of piss, except for the lag killing me in the acid.

Act 3 really got difficult when you got to that long causeway. After that point I must have died about 20 times - but when it realy got difficult was the heart of hateverthef***itscalled.
In those spiral dungeons it's basically bean spawn, get a few shots off ,die, spawn, die, spawn, die. THat's with the DH at29.
The Mage I didn't have much trouble at all with it, until I gotto Act 4. The fist boss you fight right at the start of Act 4 took a few attempts, but the second boss, who's name I can't remember - omgwtf? It's just one-shot the whole time

Basically the cinematic would end, and he'd jump right on me, hit me down to 5% health left, and if I was lucky I'd have already run in the right direction enough to miss his swing and have him miss. Most of the time though, I just got raped.

In the end my bro brought in a level 60 and two-shot him, and the stuff after that has not been difficult.
From memory both my DH and Mage have about 1200hp. Mage is doing about 550dps DH is doin 650.

So yeah, that's where I'm starting to find it difficult in Normal - Act 3/4.
10:08am 11/06/12 Permalink
Morax
Brisbane, Queensland
2276 posts
haha this game is actually a lot of fun when you have a bit of gold and can play around in earlier difficulties. I started a DH so that I can farm some act 4 infenro effectively (65k damage wizard just doesn't cut it).

Just got the DH to level 50 and started hell. Went to the AH and bought a level 60 bow with 950 damage that also has reduced level requirements 10 (wearable at level 50... There are MUCH better bows than this available, and wearable at level 43 - but expennnnsive). His damage is sitting at around 38k and hell is like slicing through butter with a hot chainsaw. Kinda silly, but it's actually a lot of fun! Nice change from insta-gib kiting inferno 3/4 :\
11:40am 11/06/12 Permalink
Python
Sydney, New South Wales
1526 posts
230 hours into hardcore..

:O

01:41pm 11/06/12 Permalink
Mordecai
Victoria
1360 posts
The Mage I didn't have much trouble at all with it, until I gotto Act 4. The fist boss you fight right at the start of Act 4 took a few attempts, but the second boss, who's name I can't remember - omgwtf? It's just one-shot the whole time

Izuzal? Tyreals old lieutenant? I'm up to him on Nightmare with my DH and same deal. Show up, he says hi, I end up dead.

New gear from the AH here I come.
01:41pm 11/06/12 Permalink
do0b
Brisbane, Queensland
4343 posts
just lost my second HC char to lag. f***** nothing you can do when you're rubber banding back into a group of mobs and health pots take 10 seconds to click. f*** you blizzard you useless c****. I cant play HC coz the infrastructure sux, i can't play after work because im australian, i wont be able to play pvp with this latency, i can barely play normal because you've f***ed the item economy and made it impossible to progress without the AH as a barb. s***test c**** since ea. way to royally rob c**** then f*** them in the ass.
01:43pm 11/06/12 Permalink
reload!
Brisbane, Queensland
6843 posts
the ol' blizzard rape AND pillage
01:46pm 11/06/12 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
16862 posts
HC rage post^
01:46pm 11/06/12 Permalink
do0b
Brisbane, Queensland
4344 posts
tweeting this @jaywilson the homo
02:04pm 11/06/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19290 posts
Haha, thats why I don't play hardcore
02:43pm 11/06/12 Permalink
Superform
Netherlands
7433 posts
42 hc monk signing in wuup wuup

also dont cry about progressing with the AH - thats the idea of it.. u find stuff that might help someone else and u buy stuff that helps you = win win

i found the most awesome one WD one hander and off hander and sold it for a tonne then used that money to buy a kick ass one hander for my monk happy days

also i named my HC toon after my g/f so i try and be extra careful with her.. :)
03:14pm 11/06/12 Permalink
csirac
Brisbane, Queensland
2677 posts
yep just lost my 60 dh with 60 hours played it on due to server wide lag spike. Many people died today :(

i was doing my 9000th heart of sin run and just zoned into azmodan and i went to dodge his fireball... and got hit by it, then someone on mumble goes "is anyone lagging..." and it dawned on me that I'm about to get reamed. 10 seconds later I'm dead.

good times.
03:44pm 11/06/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19292 posts
Oh, I should point out I was replying to the video and not being a d*** to the people from here who died cos of lag, thats pretty s*** :(
04:32pm 11/06/12 Permalink
Dodgymon
Brisbane, Queensland
2102 posts
Morax I am having the same problem but I think I need to work on armour because I can only take 1 hit and the 2nd hit I am dead. I am doing about 50k dps tho and 32k life.
04:43pm 11/06/12 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
16863 posts
https://www.dropbox.com/s/vhhkn46mnll9250/hc.exploit.jpg

you think you are raging because of lag?
06:29pm 11/06/12 Permalink
reload!
Brisbane, Queensland
6845 posts
06:34pm 11/06/12 Permalink
csirac
Brisbane, Queensland
2678 posts
lol i wouldnt be as cut dying to that compared to dying due to blizzard servers being s***.

There has always been a risk in joining public Diablo games. Kids will be kids.
06:35pm 11/06/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19293 posts
What the f***, how does that happen?
06:36pm 11/06/12 Permalink
csirac
Brisbane, Queensland
2679 posts
Kite stuff from other zones. That woudl have taken a while to set up as there are bulls in there. So they would have kited those from the graveyard lol.

I've been in situations where I had run from the field after Haedrigs Wife. Running for my life and zoning into the inn so i could reset. Same principle...different purpose.
06:41pm 11/06/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12586 posts
What the f***, how does that happen?

You can train mobs back into town, especially from the northern gate.
06:42pm 11/06/12 Permalink
Damo
Brisbane, Queensland
6123 posts
Tried to kill Diablo on nightmare 3 times a failed. Sent invite to mate who has lvl 60 DH, killed him and now in Hell act I.

Spent around 70k in AH for weapon and shield. DPS went from 1200 to 3200. Bring on hell! Well hell act I.
07:46pm 11/06/12 Permalink
Trin
Brisbane, Queensland
2967 posts
60 Monk, got into inferno today, tried act 1 tonight, died to special guy in blue writing pretty much instantly, uhohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
09:10pm 11/06/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19294 posts
Yay, finally got 60 :) Cheers Jim and Dodgymon for the help (and Dodgymon for the awesome loaner weapon)
12:08am 12/06/12 Permalink
Scooter
Brisbane, Queensland
5905 posts
I started a new Barb last night with a mate who just started playing, got to level 12 and I think I'm going to find it really hard to cintinue it. I usually love the Barb class but it just felt... meh... after Playing Monk (45) and Demon Hunter (36)

Does it get better when you unlock more skills / weapons etc?

Probably a good time to ask about my Monk / DH Skills too...

Currently Monk;
Primary - Way of the Hundred + Hands of Lightning (Though I played around with Blazing Fists and liked that too. Windforce Fury seems good for when I reach 60)
Secondary - Exploding Palm + The Flesh is Weak
1 - Breath of Heaven + Circle of Life
2 - Blinding Flash + Blinded and Confused
3 - Serenity + Peaceful Repose
4 - Mantra of Healing + Boon of Inspiration (Life on hit yo)
P1 - Seize the Initiative
P2 - Beacon of Ytar
P3 - One With Everything

Overly defensive build I guess. But I never even get close to dying at the moment (Imagine that will change when I reach Inferno...)

Demon Hunter;
Primary - Bola Shot + Thunder Ball
Secondary - Impale + Impact
1 - Rapid Fire + Dire Support (Thinking of going back to Web shot)
2 - Shadow Power + Blood Moon
3 - Companion + Spider
4 - Sentry + Spitfire Turret
P1 - Archery
P2 - Thrill of the Hunt
P3 - Steady Aim
08:26am 12/06/12 Permalink
existence
Brisbane, Queensland
7389 posts
my wizard pwns.

got 100hrs on him.. 60k dps and 35k hp. in act3 inferno atm.. and its not even hard anymore. yays
09:27am 12/06/12 Permalink
do0b
Brisbane, Queensland
4347 posts
yea barb own with better skills until you get to inferno and have to drop dps for armour and resist all

leap with pull towards on land with retaliation and the extra proc rune makes short work of any pack. think my highest mighty blow is about 40 kills in 1 shot - you finish that off with whirlwind/bloodfunnel and even champ packs dont have much of a chance :)

inferno is homo tho because you need to play like a pansy and this strat becomes useless
09:47am 12/06/12 Permalink
blahnana
Brisbane, Queensland
597 posts
Barb is a lot of fun until late Hell somewhere. At which point being a solo barb is a giant pain in the azz.
10:26am 12/06/12 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
7025 posts
Downed Diablo last night with two mates - my 31DH, a 31WD and a 27 Barb. Too easy.
10:52am 12/06/12 Permalink
Damo
Brisbane, Queensland
6124 posts
I found one cool option with AH last night. Reduced level requirements when trying to find weapons is a huge plus.

I had really crap DPS so a mate told me to have this as a search option and damn!!

Only shame is that I should have looked at 2-hand weapons as well before buying
11:04am 12/06/12 Permalink
Dodgymon
Brisbane, Queensland
2103 posts
my wizard pwns.

got 100hrs on him.. 60k dps and 35k hp. in act3 inferno atm.. and its not even hard anymore. yays


How much real money did you spend buying gold to achieve that?
12:49pm 12/06/12 Permalink
Jim
UK
12924 posts
haha ^^

blizzard must be spewin at the coin they're missing out on to gold sellers atm
01:55pm 12/06/12 Permalink
Agamemnon
Brisbane, Queensland
1062 posts
error code 315200....

had to reset my phone today and of course reinstalled the authenticator.... and now i cant log in...

aaarrrggghhhh
10:08pm 12/06/12 Permalink
Boxhead
Brisbane, Queensland
12348 posts
error code 315200.... had to reset my phone today and of course reinstalled the authenticator.... and now i cant log in... aaarrrggghhhh
Also the servers are down anyway matey for 3 hours..
10:10pm 12/06/12 Permalink
scuzzy
Brisbane, Queensland
15381 posts
Hurrah!

http://i.imgur.com/W3TQM.png

I guess they've put out a bad file, so empty the updates folder and try again in due time.

last edited by scuzzy at 00:18:58 13/Jun/12
12:17am 13/06/12 Permalink
Offset
Brisbane, Queensland
401 posts
01:10am 13/06/12 Permalink
csirac
Brisbane, Queensland
2680 posts
RMAH is up

As expected, people are already spending 200+ for top tier items

Stormshields literally selling like hotcakes. 1200+dps 2hers are selling for 200+ and same deal for 1h'ers.
10:12am 13/06/12 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
7036 posts
By 200+, you mean 200k?
10:19am 13/06/12 Permalink
csirac
Brisbane, Queensland
2681 posts
usd.

i should have been more specific. the RMAH is up
10:21am 13/06/12 Permalink
Eorl
Brisbane, Queensland
6906 posts
Someone is paying $200 for a shield? Some people have either too much money or not enough brains.
10:47am 13/06/12 Permalink
existence
Brisbane, Queensland
7390 posts

How much real money did you spend buying gold to achieve that?


$0.00
10:48am 13/06/12 Permalink
parabol
Brisbane, Queensland
7063 posts
1200+dps 2hers are selling for 200+ and same deal for 1h'ers

Oh dear.

http://users.on.net/~deadsimple/images/scrooge.jpg
10:52am 13/06/12 Permalink
Nathan
Brisbane, Queensland
4028 posts
Of course they are right now, because nobody knows what anything should be worth.
10:56am 13/06/12 Permalink
Scooter
Brisbane, Queensland
5907 posts
Wow. Wish I had more time to play and had farmed Inferno. I would be selling so much gear right now.
10:56am 13/06/12 Permalink
Saint
Cainer
Brisbane, Queensland
3193 posts
Some people are so sad
10:57am 13/06/12 Permalink
Morax
Brisbane, Queensland
2278 posts
The silly thing is, you can't actually redeem your RMAH earnings in real money (apparently). You can only use it as Blizzard credits
10:59am 13/06/12 Permalink
Dazhel
Gold Coast, Queensland
4936 posts
Some people have either too much money or not enough brains.

Some people have both!
11:01am 13/06/12 Permalink
csirac
Brisbane, Queensland
2682 posts
The silly thing is, you can't actually redeem your RMAH earnings in real money (apparently). You can only use it as Blizzard credits


Wrong. You cash out with PayPal (fee's apply)
11:01am 13/06/12 Permalink
parabol
Brisbane, Queensland
7064 posts
From here with my editing:
-Auction House Fees-

Before you post your auction, you’ll see any fees that apply to your listing displayed in the center section of the Sell tab. These fees will only be charged if your auction successfully sells, and will automatically be deducted from the item’s final selling price.

For Equipment (weapons, armor, accessories, and other unique items):
* Transaction Fee: $1.00 USD per item / $1.00 AUD per item
* Transfer Fee (e.g. to PayPal): 15% of amount being transferred

For Commodities (gems, materials, dyes, pages, recipes, and other non-unique items):
* Transaction Fee: 15% of final sale price
* Transfer Fee (e.g. to PayPal): 15% of amount being transferred

So if you just sold a single item for $200 and tried to cash out, Blizzard gets $1+(200-1)*0.15 = $30.85 out of the exchange.

(Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong)

last edited by parabol at 11:25:28 13/Jun/12
11:20am 13/06/12 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
7038 posts
So now that people have figured out 'OMG I can make REAL money from playing a game!?', is there even anything left on the regular AH?

It sounds like, from what I've read, that there's effectively a 30% tax on commodities (Julia, are you paying attention?), and >15% on everything else.
11:25am 13/06/12 Permalink
TicMan
Melbourne, Victoria
8033 posts
Same error as scuzzy :(

Edit: Fix is to keep deleting that file, launching D3, deleting, launch D3, etc until it works.
11:29am 13/06/12 Permalink
do0b
Brisbane, Queensland
4352 posts
don't you c**** work?
11:37am 13/06/12 Permalink
csirac
Brisbane, Queensland
2683 posts
A mate just sold his WD offhand for 225. He's pretty happy with himself.
11:49am 13/06/12 Permalink
Dan
Special Text
Brisbane, Queensland
13319 posts
I reckon there's going to be a lot of furious parents checking next month's credit card statements. Who the hell else would shell out hundreds of dollars for a single in-game item other than dumb kids or cc fraudsters?

The neckbeard types -- if they haven't already poop-socked their own way to good gear -- would know that prices will settle down once the economy is better established, so surely it must just be ignorants and criminals at this point.
12:02pm 13/06/12 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
16866 posts
haha poop-socked

yeah if i had the inclination to spend real money on items (i don't) i would definitely be waiting for a couple of months to see how it all pans out

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12:07pm 13/06/12 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
7039 posts
don't you c**** work

We don't need to anymore, we can make money on the RMAH.
12:17pm 13/06/12 Permalink
Superform
Netherlands
7434 posts
between botting and the rmah tis game is screwed...

ppl are botting 300-600k gold per hour.. which of course forces up prices.. which makes items worth more in USD..

game is going downhill fast...
02:46pm 13/06/12 Permalink
defi
Wynnum, Queensland
2895 posts
Man I didnt even know botting was around yet (Besides the Gold Spammers). Guess I havent noticed as I only play with mates.

I like the RMAH idea, cant wait to get home and have a look sarvo.
02:50pm 13/06/12 Permalink
Saint
Cainer
Brisbane, Queensland
3195 posts
between botting and the rmah tis game is screwed...

ppl are botting 300-600k gold per hour.. which of course forces up prices.. which makes items worth more in USD..

game is going downhill fast...

Agreed, RMAH is going to ruin the game IMO (and possibly people's lives!)
03:58pm 13/06/12 Permalink
csirac
Brisbane, Queensland
2684 posts
between botting and the rmah tis game is screwed...

ppl are botting 300-600k gold per hour.. which of course forces up prices.. which makes items worth more in USD..

game is going downhill fast...


I said this before like 20 pages ago. The only part of the game that will hold any integrity will be hc just like in d2. So if you care about the economy you might as well start building up your hc account!
04:27pm 13/06/12 Permalink
Jim
UK
12925 posts
like that's a solution
04:40pm 13/06/12 Permalink
csirac
Brisbane, Queensland
2685 posts
A game like diablo. How could you see inflation not occur? You have a huge pool of people willing to die 69 times for a chance at good gear. The crux of the issue is that you dont need good gear to get good gear in softcore (sc). And with all blizzard games, add on top gold farmers who are willing to farm 1 piece of gold at a time if need be, it was just inevitable and there is no solution to it without changing the core of the game dramtically (maybe by only having 1 life...and needing gear to get gear..)
04:45pm 13/06/12 Permalink
Nathan
Brisbane, Queensland
4030 posts
So if you care about the economy you might as well start building up your hc account!
Why do you say that? Botting will get gold just as well in hardcore.
04:48pm 13/06/12 Permalink
Jim
UK
12926 posts
playing hardcore isn't a solution to the problem you're describing because server-side lag and player exploits that result in your death are things that are beyond your control. it doesn't matter how careful you are, they're gonna getya at some point if you log your hc character into the game
04:50pm 13/06/12 Permalink
csirac
Brisbane, Queensland
2686 posts
Bots will be much less prevelent in HC. Even if its a 1% chance of death, theres still a chance of death and that will ruin their s***. As well as having to actually get up to level 60 without dying doesn't quite work for the demographic of people who do bot (usually asian gold farmers).

I won't deny there isn't botting in HC, but the fact you have to get to 60 without dying severely turns botters off.

I used to run a pindle bot back in D2. I geared up my character so well that the chance of dying was really slim, but you leave it on for a night and it does countless runs, you will see a few deaths.
04:54pm 13/06/12 Permalink
csirac
Brisbane, Queensland
2687 posts
playing hardcore isn't a solution to the problem you're describing because server-side lag and player exploits that result in your death are things that are beyond your control. it doesn't matter how careful you are, they're gonna getya at some point if you log your hc character into the game

huh? I was just saying play hardcore because the economy will hold its integrity over time. I don't know what you're implying about server-side lag and what not.

edit: another feature of HC that helps curb inflation is the loss of items from the economy when someone dies. Unlike in SC where good/godly items will stay around...forever
04:55pm 13/06/12 Permalink
Jim
UK
12927 posts
huh? I was just saying play hardcore because the economy will hold its integrity over time. I don't know what you're implying about server-side lag and what not.
I'm saying, what's the point of suggesting hardcore as a solution to the problem, when one death wipes out your toon with no chance of restoring it? you can't control server-side lag, and you can't control exploits that allow other players to get you killed - no matter how careful you are
05:02pm 13/06/12 Permalink
Nathan
Brisbane, Queensland
4031 posts
Unlike in SC where good/godly items will stay around...forever
That causes deflation, because the supply (amount of equipment) increases over time while demand (number of players) stays the same or drops.

e.g. excellent non-60 gear is now worth basically nothing, because its never removed from the game and just traded down from player to player.
05:05pm 13/06/12 Permalink
csirac
Brisbane, Queensland
2688 posts
It was more of a half hearted jest to encourage people to play HC because I've found it really fun and if you were to play HC you wouldnt have to deal with an inflated economy.

and yeah its not really a solution, but as my previous post said, there really isn't any solution to inflation SC just because of its nature. Even without bots it would have been inflated and f***ed, the bots just sped the process up.
05:08pm 13/06/12 Permalink
Nathan
Brisbane, Queensland
4032 posts
If there was an inbetween mode where
a) the "shared stash" was not shared, and
b) if you died your inventory and stash (but not gold) was all permanently lost

I might give that a try; it would still give meaning to death without throwing away all the hours you spend levelling the character.
05:14pm 13/06/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19309 posts
So the RMAH is going to be pretty much useless for the first few weeks/months while people read stories about how so-and-so sold whatever for $200, and try and sell every s*** item they have for $200.
05:16pm 13/06/12 Permalink
Jim
UK
12928 posts
It was more of a half hearted jest to encourage people to play HC because I've found it really fun and if you were to play HC you wouldnt have to deal with an inflated economy.

and yeah its not really a solution, but as my previous post said, there really isn't any solution to inflation SC just because of its nature. Even without bots it would have been inflated and f***ed, the bots just sped the process up.


ah right, took you too literally
and yeh I've been enjoying it other than a death to server lag but at least it was only level 29
05:19pm 13/06/12 Permalink
Superform
Netherlands
7435 posts
Jim if your worried about lag in HC then just play single player and watch your ping to the server.. if you see your ping increase you can pause the game

i'm nearly 60 in HC and the economy is a s*** load better then softcore..
03:04pm 14/06/12 Permalink
Phooks
Brisbane, Queensland
2327 posts
03:04pm 14/06/12 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
15322 posts
Jim if your worried about lag in HC then just play single player and watch your ping to the server.. if you see your ping increase you can pause the game


lol pretty retarded having to watch your ping in single player.
03:10pm 14/06/12 Permalink
Hogfather
Cairns, Queensland
12600 posts
lol pretty retarded having to watch your ping in single player.

A NEW AND INTERESTING POST APPEARS!
03:13pm 14/06/12 Permalink
do0b
Brisbane, Queensland
4364 posts
it's not really practical to watch your ping during boss encounters or champion fights.

HC is rad tho, for americans.
03:14pm 14/06/12 Permalink
Jim
UK
12929 posts
Jim if your worried about lag in HC then just play single player and watch your ping to the server.. if you see your ping increase you can pause the game

i'm nearly 60 in HC and the economy is a s*** load better then softcore..


...

the in-game lag'o'meter is way behind the times, just like wow's. and I was referring to server-side lag anyway, not network lag

I've only ever played hc solo. mostly on US servers but a bit on EU as well, I'm in belfast
03:21pm 14/06/12 Permalink
scuzzy
Brisbane, Queensland
15388 posts
Jim if your worried about lag in HC then just play single player and watch your ping to the server.. if you see your ping increase you can pause the game
Yes because lag is never transient and is always predictable.
03:31pm 14/06/12 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
19323 posts
I'm nearly 60 in HC and the economy is a s*** load better then softcore..


The economy from 1 - 60 is fine in normal, in fact you can get really cheap good gear for those levels now, since theres more of it floating around. Its only really inferno level gear that is expensive, and I can't see that being hugely better for hardcore anyway since there would be even less of it?
03:47pm 14/06/12 Permalink
Raven
Melbourne, Victoria
7050 posts
Has Diablo been downed in HC yet?
Also, when playing HC, can you only play with other HC chars?
04:13pm 14/06/12 Permalink
csirac
Brisbane, Queensland
2689 posts
Jim if your worried about lag in HC then just play single player and watch your ping to the server.. if you see your ping increase you can pause the game

i'm nearly 60 in HC and the economy is a s*** load better then softcore..


lol yeah, that sort of lag wont kill you. what will kill you is the server s***ting itself like it did the other day and thousands died, including me, nothing will save you from that, not even pausing. Just have to roll with the punches. When you play hc you just have to realise you're already dead.

The economy from 1 - 60 is fine in normal, in fact you can get really cheap good gear for those levels now, since theres more of it floating around. Its only really inferno level gear that is expensive, and I can't see that being hugely better for hardcore anyway since there would be even less of it?


It will be expensive but unlike softcore there isnt 15 pages of the one item all asking for the same price, as well as NO ONE in softcore has much gold. The most I've seen in HC is about 30 million. and 30 million goes pretty fast when you lose a character or 3. Anytime a level 60 dies, or one that has at least 60 hours played on it is basically ~10 million out of the economy right there. (i use this figure because thats how much i think my gear was worth upon death)

Also when people sell s*** on HC, no ones going to stop them putting a ring for 50 million (just like in SC) but unlike in SC, no one in HC will be able to afford it. After the person tries maybe 2 more times he will realise and eventually a market driven price will come about.

Has Diablo been downed in HC yet?
Also, when playing HC, can you only play with other HC chars?


Furthrest HC progression to date is The Sin Heart quest line in Inferno Act 3 (its the one where you kill spider b**** and then walk to Azmodan). It was an american progressing until they ran into a pack of soul rippers and he died, his friend made it out though.

And of course only HC can play with HC. That would be silly if it wasnt separated lol.

Here is the video. This is why HC is awesome.


The next closest is Kungen in EU region....until he died last night in the start of Act 3.
video here:
04:29pm 14/06/12 Permalink
casa
Brisbane, Queensland
4658 posts

No and yes. Additionally, your stashes are seperate from HC and SC.
04:29pm 14/06/12 Permalink
Dodgymon
Brisbane, Queensland
2104 posts
Whats the difference between Diablo 3 and Jim's mum.
Diablo goes down more often than Jim's mum.
04:54pm 14/06/12 Permalink
Kharak
Brisbane, Queensland
471 posts
How come the servers are down again? Anyone know when they'll be back up?
05:12pm 14/06/12 Permalink
existence
Brisbane, Queensland
7391 posts
seriously i do not f*****g understand how those guys play hardcore chars... that is absolutely INSANE. i could not handle the nerves.. after one champ pack id have to go outside scull a bottle of burbon and smoke a packet of ciggies to calm my fking nerves
05:17pm 14/06/12